That’s sound advice, I guess. It’s just weird how Zordon’s pending lynch limits the whole discussion in the thread. No other topics were brought up actually.I think we can save all of the role speculation until tomorrow. I don't see what point it serves now, when we will have more to work with after Zordon's flip. If Zordon does flip tracker, be it town or scum, then we can speculate based on something more concrete.
Dude, we balance games. We cannot balance games if powers are truly random. You are reading the OP entirely wrong if you think powers were randomly assigned across alignments, not least that magically somehow in this scenario you're drawing still the mafia had a strongman and the neutral was a neutral and out for themselves.Man, what are you talking about? We've had less than 4 actual flips. For PRs besides Pink, we got like...two, so where is this confidence coming from? Are you entirely sure that random powers are always going to be alignment indicative?
It makes much more sense and is much more common in this community for mafia to have a role cop than a tracker.
Nothing's going to prevent my lynch. I may know the truth but I also know what happens when there's a red check . Am I still going to participate in the game until I'm killed? Yes.Do you want us to base the lynch on one role being more common than the other? These meta arguments you keep bringing you aren't the best way to prevent your lynch.
Agree to disagree, gossip chat could easily be a neutral or scum power.Dude, we balance games. We cannot balance games if powers are truly random. You are reading the OP entirely wrong if you think powers were randomly assigned across alignments, not least that magically somehow in this scenario you're drawing still the mafia had a strongman and the neutral was a neutral and out for themselves.
Welcome to the Morphin Grid.
You are Zordon, a Scum Goon.
You have no special powers as a Goon, but as a member of a Mafia Team you share a Faction Kill you may perform once per Night with the command ‘Kill: <Player Name>’.
Your Mafia Teammates are: [redacted]
You share a Mafia Chat here: [redacted]
Not only is this your Role Name but it is also your identity that will hide who you truly are. You will be given access to a special account to use only for this game. All game-related posts or messages must be made through this account.
Your login information is:
Username:
Password: isactuallyanoldraisinman
Each password is unique, please do not change it.
You are aligned with Mafia and win when your team has a majority of the votes at the start of a Day Phase.
Welcome to the Morphin Grid.
You are the Red Ranger, a Town Username Celebrity.
Once per game during the Day Phase you may post the command ‘It’s Morphin’ Time!’ in the Game Thread to have a Mod reveal and confirm your real identity as well as your Alignment. You will then post in your real account for the remainder of the game.
However until then, not only is this your Role Name but it is also your identity that will hide who you truly are. You will be given access to a special account to use only for this game. All game-related posts or messages must be made through this account.
Your login information is:
Username:
Password: hereliesrachewasthebest
Each password is unique, please do not change it.
You are aligned with Town and win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
What good would that do??? Really???So theoretically Kimberly could be scum teammates with Zordon and that was a bus gambit to set scum up for a future victory. But that's something I don't think we should consider now.
How do we feel about lynching Rita?
Sorry, I'm referring to why would I bus Zordon if I was scumWhat good would that do??? Really???
And why would I clear you and Green in the process?
Isn't Billy getting replaced?At this point in the game I kind of feel comfortable enough to consider lynch dead weight. So, Billy...
Vote: Billy
I'd love to see you contribute some. You haven't cast a single vote all game wtf. This is day 5.
At this point in the game I kind of feel comfortable enough to consider lynch dead weight. So, Billy...
Vote: Billy
I'd love to see you contribute some. You haven't cast a single vote all game wtf. This is day 5.
I didn't bother readin' anything during the game's downtime, so I'll go do just that overnight and early tomorrow. :3
For now - Tommy, hold this:
VOTE: Tommy
I have reasons for this, but I don't remember them right now. >.>
I recall that you voted Trini and put them ahead of Jason during the pivotal moment of D1, but I'll have to get back to you on the rest.
Who did you check Kimberly?
Oh yeah. Forgot.
Good thing I said that's exactly what I'll be doing in the very same post you're alluding to! :3I'd rather look into Zordon connections than voting behavior of the guy I replaced, but ok.
Also, these sound fake:
Yes sir/ma'am. People seemingly forgetting critical information makes me think of Scum playing innocent. Not a big deal, but that's the thought that came to my mind in that moment.Oh c'mon. Really?
Don't despair. I will.Please Zack and Rita. I'm fine you guys think it's suspicious. But please use that to read end of day 2, and days 3 and 4 me, to create a real case against me.
What good would that do??? Really???
And why would I clear you and Green in the process?
Please Zack and Rita. I'm fine you guys think it's suspicious. But please use that to read end of day 2, and days 3 and 4 me, to create a real case against me.
Also this is meta reasoning so take it with a grain of salt, but very possible that Billy is scum. I can't imagine me personally having much desire to continue playing if I lost my strongman, tracker, and lost two night kills.
What do you think of Zordon being scum?@White Ranger
Since you were M.I.A yesterday, what did you you think of Zordon being scum.
Also, called that was shit
Could you quote your case and Zordon's case against me. Just so that we can see where he was copying please?I don't see the point made against Kimberly. There is no counterclaim + Zordon just copied my case I had against her to try and lynch her.
Atm Green, Trini and Kimberly are safe from me.
Go have a nap!God, I was gonna go get my rest an hour ago, but real life today has left me particularly snappy and vindictive. Blegh.
You (or your previous player) broke a tie breaker in favor of a cop-claimed townie when one of the people on said tie was scum.
Likewise, on Day 2, you voted away from the day from the main two lynch choices, one of whom was scum and one was town.
Knock it off with the "no true scotsman" bullshit. That is a real case against you, regardless of what you actually believe.
I've considered that possibility that I could be in a scum gossip, but given how I was town reading OG Billy, I'm surprised that a potential scum Billy player wouldn't use that against me.
I'm going to vote Kimberly for now. It's based on the following;
- She wanted to reread Blue Ranger, but I think I never saw it. Didn't find anything or didn't do it? I can see the latter, because there were other priorities Day end.
- Focuss on Black Ranger, who is getting heat from a lot more people. Puts an easy vote on him for having posts but no contributions. Vote stays there, altought we were promised she would take a stance on Jason (after a reread where she think Jason is suspicious) to be town or scum. Don't think I saw it. Also the vote for black was going to make it a 4-3 Jason vs Black vote, if it wasn't for Zoldar just unvoting. So it ended up being the 4-2.
- I just think there was a weird distance between Jason and Kimberly.
Vote: Kimberly
I originally started looking at Kimberly for her vote on Black Ranger. It felt very familiar and that's because she's barely moved. She voted Black yesterday and then again today after some mild shade on me after Zack's post. So I started digging in and there's a lot but I'll hit some highlights since I don't think this will come to anything today but she should be looked at tomorrow. First here's her reread of Jason when he was up for lynch
I guess she never really decided one way or another since she just seemed to kind of drop it. But she questioned a few people about their Jason votes:
Did you do that reread on Blue Ranger? Do you have a general readlist, Kimberly? From your vote on Black Ranger today it seems like you don't have any special feelings about the game at all at this point, outside of defending Rita's claim today. For two days Black has only been an also-ran candidate so I'm wondering if you have any particular reads on other players.
There's also some both-sides play here but this post in particular seems to be letting Jason do some work to set up mislynches
Yeah, please just ignore all the stuff I brought up against Rita over the entire game. You're back to the tunnel, I see. >:(Zack I feel like you've been tied to Rita on like almost every single post.
That's not a case. That's a pre-case at best, considering how those are arguments I brought up two entire phases ago and we've had another Scum flip since then.You (or your previous player) broke a tie breaker in favor of a cop-claimed townie when one of the people on said tie was scum.
Likewise, on Day 2, you voted away from the day from the main two lynch choices, one of whom was scum and one was town.
Knock it off with the "no true scotsman" bullshit. That is a real case against you, regardless of what you actually believe.
I'm glad you're here :3I've read this page and that's it aside from role flips for the whole game. I'll read the thread before I go to bed tonight. That said, I would also agree that Kim faking an investigation isn't the brightest plan but she also overreacted to it a bit and pretended that a fake plan would be unheard of. Odd to not just dismiss it instead of countering with saying that a perfectly possible plan is unheard of.
That's not a case. That's a pre-case at best, considering how those are arguments I brought up two entire phases ago and we've had another Scum flip since then.
Are you gonna reread for connections, or is this it?
I'm glad you're here :3
Do you confirm that your older predecessor opened a gossip chat with Rita?
Also, please tell us what do you think about Zordon's fixation with you over their tenure as a living player.
I'll be honest, I'm not that surprised. I was suspicious of him, Rita and Zack after the BR push, but I feel better about Zack in retrospect, thinking about his Zordon push.What do you think of Zordon being scum?
Why, thank you. It's not even my best one from that phase, though. And it's really silly to claim two phases-old arguments are "a real case" the way Rita is when there's a lot of new events that could add to or detract from it.Seems like a solid case to me.
Why, thank you. It's not even my best one from that phase, though. And it's really silly to claim two phases-old arguments are "a real case" the way Rita is when there's a lot of new events that could add to or detract from it.
I've read this page and that's it aside from role flips for the whole game. I'll read the thread before I go to bed tonight. That said, I would also agree that Kim faking an investigation isn't the brightest plan but she also overreacted to it a bit and pretended that a fake plan would be unheard of. Odd to not just dismiss it instead of countering with saying that a perfectly possible plan is unheard of.
How is it odd? Scum is now down two, and Zordon really wasn't on the line to be lynched yet. Even though, yeah, there's a chance of Kimberly's cop claim being a scum gambit that clears her...why though? Like, it's not a good tradeoff and when you think that it's possible another PR susses her out, it's not worth it.
Why are you putting words in my mouth? No one said anything about the case being useless. Read.Next you'll tell me that day 1 is useless too. From my understanding so far, Zordon was cop checked goon and Jason was a 3-shot strongman that got 1 shot off, maybe. The Jason lynch will have much better info than the Zordon one.
Possibly. I do believe cops feel like their reads/checks should make them more trustable, so I can't say anything on that even though I also understand skepticism.Because you just dismiss it like I said, I think it's weird that she made it sound like throwing out two green checks is weird since, if she were lying, they wouldn't even need to be green checks. Let's be real, I doubt any of it is the case, but the over defense made me laugh since it was one of the first things I read.
Why are you putting words in my mouth? No one said anything about the case being useless. Read.
D4 won’t help much, but you can reread the entire game in a new light now that we know for sure Zordon is Scum.
Well, that’s not at all an extrapolation of what I actually said."It's a pre-case at best"
I'll be back in a bit.
What did Billy and Rita discuss in gossip?"It's a pre-case at best"
I'll be back in a bit.
Reread D3 and see how they went at each other. Rita was onto Zordon from the very beginning, and pretty aggressively at that.I remember thinking that I'd be surprised if both Zordon and Rita were scum but I forget why.
Also this is meta reasoning so take it with a grain of salt, but very possible that Billy is scum. I can't imagine me personally having much desire to continue playing if I lost my strongman, tracker, and lost two night kills.
Can’t say I care much for this. Votes come and go, tie breakers are bound to happen. If this was closer to day end, it could mean more to me, but a lot more happened in the day. Goldar is not even up there.You recall correctly. It was 3 Jason, 3 Finster, 3 Trini
And then Tommy came by and voted Trini. We know now that Jason was scum, Finster is confirmed town, and Trini is cop-backed town. So that combined with Tommy not being on the Day 2 Jason lynch is pretty damning.
Vote: Tommy
Oh I see.
Vote: Green Ranger
I'm really not sure who to go for now.
Guess I'll go with
Vote: Billy
because i didn't think the other vote candidates were scum, duh
speaking of which
vote: trini
you know what to do people
I wonder if anyone would actually put their votemoney where their mouth is on that
vote: Green Ranger[/vote]
Zyaaaa is very sorry Rita
VOTE: Green Ranger
Well, that’s not at all an extrapolation of what I actually said.
Please do. You’ve barely arrived and you’re already weird.
What did Billy and Rita discuss in gossip?
Given what you saw in gossip since I know you're not caught up, what's your current opinion on Rita?You're right, it's literally exactly what you said. Keep spinning those wheels.
Not much, the thread is less than a page long. Both Billys before me posted a total of 3 times all together and Rita has mostly talked to herself. After the initial fluff, she explains why she's doing weird claims (trying to bait a kill), verifies if my PR is really one-shot or not, more fluff because whichever Billy this was hasn't posted at this point for like a day or so, starts talking about why she thinks Zordon is scum (this starts last Thursday, has Kim claimed at this point?), more fluff with no response from my account, then she posted some reads on Sunday that I'll let her talk about if she so chooses since we're caught up.
Given what you saw in gossip since I know you're not caught up, what's your current opinion on Rita?
Are you? Most of those in that list have already flipped/confirmed town.https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?posts/19451/
Zordon seems scared to leave scum off his list but also seems scared to directly scum read them, opting to throw indirect shade instead (towards Jason). Willing to bet that there is one scum in his "would not lynch" sections.
Are you? Most of those in that list have already flipped/confirmed town.
So you have Zack, Rita and Tommy.
If I had to pick, that would be Tommy, but I disagree with your assessment. Makes more sense to me for Zordon to just follow the mood of the thread. Jason was already getting scum read, so he put him in there in the middle of his reads.
Trini also starts the hunt on Jason on the basis that Green was protecting him. Is there a reason that hasn't been pushed on?
Right, so I've been reading back over the thread, and there's a lot of people that I just flat out need to hear more from:
2. [f] @Billy - Hard to get a read on because her posts amount to a lot of nothing. She offered to give us a read list at some point, but really only managed to tell us that she was pro-lynching today and that was pretty much it
17. [They/Them] @Yellow Ranger - I don't really understand Yellow Ranger's playstyle at all right now, and they're still under the post limit. The Jason vote doesn't feel all that solid, but that's all they've really shown.
7. [m] @Green Ranger - A whole lot of nothing. There's no real substance to anything and then a prod vote on Yellow after people had already talked about moving past the people that inactive
8. [m] @Jason - His conclusions are weird, and he's been weirdly silent since he hit the 10 post count. Assuming that Bulk and Skull are masons was really out there, and past that he really only called out Rita's read list for leaving off people
The people that I wouldn't vote for today are Rita, Zordon, and Pink Ranger. I still need to reread over Black and Blue though.
No, Tommy, my person, this was not the same as all the other prod votes and that is exactly what all the posts are about. You didn't prod anything. Like a cartoon villain, you laid a scheme and revealed it immediately and now I can only guess you aren't really reading what anyone is saying because you are so interested in doubling down and insisting that your cartoon villain plan was right
And now! you're blaming everyone else when you didn't have to explain anything at all. That was your choice.
The garbage thing is I town read this kind of behavior~
Why do you trust Trini exactly? What is sound about her reasoning of just going after someone who has been active?
Vote: Trini
If there's no real defense, then I have no problem with this vote. I haven't liked her style of voting this whole time, and her case on Jason is weak as it is. Especially knowing that he wont' be back to answer those questions
Are you gonna reread for connections, or is this it?
Okay, after going back over the vote lists for the game so far, I noticed one strange detail: Bulk hasn't been under any vote pressure the entire game. The only person who has yet voted for him was the White Ranger's favorite d20.
Now, is Bulk scum? To be honest I thought that Jason's flip made it extremely unlikely that Bulk would be scum, after his massive tunneling on Jason throughout days 1 and 2. However, scum buses. I was fooled pretty badly by scum buses before, so I don't want to overlook that possibility. Now, Jason was the scum strongman, but he was also playing poorly and attracted heat pretty much instantly. It isn't inconceivable that scum would be willing to bus him for town points.
Moreover, Bulk's votes on day 2 are a little suspect. Despite his admitted tunnel on Jason, Bulk jumped off of the vote because he thought the vote for Jason was too unopposed. He only jumped back on right at the last minute as the final vote on Jason, when Jason's lynch was all but assured.
I feel like it is at least worth investigating this possibility.
Vote: Bulk
Also, honorable mention to Green Ranger who was all about the easy votes day one and keeps that pace right from the start of day 2. Tries to make more traction on me with Zordon for no real reason and then votes Red Ranger out the gate on day 2 for the mislynch when nearly everyone was on that lynch.
Tommy has requested a Replacement. One is currently being sought.
Tommy has been Replaced
Hello. I need time. What are the hot topics?
What's the problem with Jason?
To summarize:
1. He made a vote that seemed to be purely out of self preservation. Then said he voted like he did because he trusted me and White Ranger. I found that to be suspect.
2. Today he went from townread on me to scumread on me... also his post and vote for me were made very shortly after I voted for him. To me that seems a bit OMGUS. And the posts he quoted from me as explanations for why his read changed seemed... not very good
My issues with his play are laid out in these two posts: #1129 and #1138
I'm calling it here: I've reached the point where I'm just spinning my wheels in the mud and its far too late at night for me to start over.
The read on Green Ranger is easy; while being present a fair bit he really hasn't had all that much to say. His biggest exchange of day 1 revolved around the following post:
While I do agree with Green Ranger in the discussion that came from it, this and pretty much his entire post history so far just seems completely null to me. I don't see anything that sticks out to me as suspicious, but on the other hand he hasn't really done a whole lot to help town along either. I'm hoping to see more from him later today/next phase, otherwise I'll have to ask myself why he's been like this.
However, the read on Trini presents more of a problem to me. Similarly to Green Ranger I see alot of her posts as NAI, but not really for lack of substance. There certainly is a bunch of posts that are either plain one-line responses or miscommunications/misunderstandings, but my main issue with drawing a solid read out comes from the fact I can't pin down an alignment off her substantive posts. Her focus on finding links between players in order to begin solving the game seems odd to me, but not so odd as to just be a different playstyle and mindset. Even what I think is her scummiest play, the reasoning behind voting for Blue Ranger, still nags me in that I don't really think it is necessarily a scummy standpoint to take, merely one I strongly disagree with. I do stand by my thought that if Jason flips scum then Trini is unlikely to also be scum, however no longer think that Jason flipping Town would paint her as scum any more than it would anyone who had campaigned for Jason's lynch (such as myself).
Obviously this means that the Black Ranger read isn't coming today as I'm about to head off for sleep. I will say that while his day 1 seemed to town-lean for me (pending full re-read), today his unwillingness to provide receipts for Zordon and his scum list that was devoid of any actual evidence have stuck in my mind. Neither are a good look in my eyes, as it could suggest that his posts and reasoning in day 1 didn't actually matter to him (as if they'd been constructed rather than naturally thought out) and that he didn't have a whole lot to show for it (which would align with the theory of his arguments not mattering to him). On the other hand, he may well have not cared to search back for receipts for Zordon while he was so inflamed and I don't think it fair to completely condemn a player based on a single bad turn. Black Ranger remains my highest priority for a full read going into tomorrow.
This is my stance reading back. I mean Jason is unfortunate, but it's not a clear cut scum case. Maybe for me its even more town than scum. I can't see scum doing what he is doing and yes, maybe that's shaky reasoning, but it is what it is.
I've had a worse feeling about Alpha 5. Don't like the day 1 contribution and switch from Finster to Goldar. Did he defend the accusation from Green about that?
I'd wish I could contribute more, but I just didn't have the time yet. My apologies and I promise I reread during the night.
I think I'd be down to voting Alpha 5. Altought it's a weak one, it's my best. Dodgy vote swing again.
I'd rather vote Alpha 5 over Jason or Black ranger. In fact; I will vote here and it will stay here.
VOTE: Alpha 5
I get that. Be you were so stubborn at first to stay at Finster.
Because it also happened to you day 1 and because I don't like your reasoning. If you wanted to vote Red Ranger you should've done it earlier. Don't know why you would sit on your big scumread.