Sawneeks
little green dog
already???
Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This
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I'm gonna actually call town on Stuart. I think Grizz pushed way too hard to get him lynched initially.
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Yeah I found that interesting as well. Hecht also hadn't done much at the time either, but Faddy was likely a deliberate kill. But with 49 players it's difficult to put much effort into theorizing what could have been.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
...right
Anyway, to business
@melonrabbit
I challenge you to a duel. I propose pistols at [strike]dawn[/strike] ITA phase two.
Anyway, to business
@melonrabbit
I challenge you to a duel. I propose pistols at [strike]dawn[/strike] ITA phase two.
Town or Neutral is definitely the most likely outcome for sure. Probably leaning more town than neutral.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
What I wonder is, Grizzly had what I would have thought is a strong enough role.
There is probably a lot of PRs in this game, he was a Roleblocker & a Godfather. That seems like a pretty good combination.
So why did he roll over so easily. He didn't even fight that hard after revealing is fake claim.
There is probably a lot of PRs in this game, he was a Roleblocker & a Godfather. That seems like a pretty good combination.
So why did he roll over so easily. He didn't even fight that hard after revealing is fake claim.
nin1000
Chilean German Madman
No no, just no.
At that point he was done and nothing that came out of his mouth should bd taken serious.
Because of this making the assumption that stuart is town is in my eyes
Pretty dumb.
Sawneeks
little green dog
looool
Can they vote?
Would like to hear why you town-read Geno now.
love the avatar btw. :>
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I mean at that point it was pretty much too late, following Crimsons logic about such a role it would be nonsensical to not vote him out.
Why he rolled over so fast before that is curious though, yeah.
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
I am curious now, how much we'll be able to trust alignment results now.
Maybe we got lucky and hit the only godfather, but I get the feeling a lot of the mafia team will show up as town. We are all heroes, after all.
Also, his role flip mentioned mafia. Does this help us at all with knowing if we have one, or multiple, scum teams working against us?
Maybe we got lucky and hit the only godfather, but I get the feeling a lot of the mafia team will show up as town. We are all heroes, after all.
Also, his role flip mentioned mafia. Does this help us at all with knowing if we have one, or multiple, scum teams working against us?
His pushing of stuart was at the very beginning plus the vote i pointed out after the random event.
Too much of a coincidence unless he was throwing stuart under the bus.
Apollo
Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
That’s a lotta deaths.
Eeeehhhh. Why would Grizzly even think we’d stop voting him because he’s a neutral. We certainly weren’t gonna come out and vote Stuart just because of the claim and it’s hard to believe he’s think otherwise.
Eeeehhhh. Why would Grizzly even think we’d stop voting him because he’s a neutral. We certainly weren’t gonna come out and vote Stuart just because of the claim and it’s hard to believe he’s think otherwise.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Yeah, problem is I don't have an answer to any question about end of last phase that starts "why would Grizzly..."
He did it in Monopoly, could have been using the idea that people who remember that would think "He did it before so..."
Not necessarily. I think in Monopoly, Muffin took over from Sweetnicole, said what his role was and town/scum let him live until he left the game naturally.
Could have thought he'd survive "one more day" by doing that since he'd be lynched the next day after my death.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Thanks!
At some point he asks Geno to join in a Stuart vote. Just seems overly risky to openly ask a teammate to do so. A scummate would probably support another teammate's vote more subtly. Will quote posts once I'm at a computer.
He pushed Vere pretty hard too, but not sure what to make of that yet.
Sawneeks
little green dog
cool because
Vote: Ynnek7
i think that's bull and your reason for voting grizz over Kawl was terrible. Should've hid the bus better.
i love this game
Verelios
Were-elios
These are all Grizzly's posts on Geno (I think, that's what came up on search by post)
I'm not seeing where you town read Geno from here?
Faircure also agreed with Stuart's scum vibes after Grizz pointed it out. Then even after the bandwagon gave Grizz the benefit of the doubt. Don't like that. Scum vibes.
Verelios
Were-elios
Okay, yeah, that was a little odd. But at that point Grizzly was careening so it's iffy for me.
Sawneeks
little green dog
thank you ;;
sorry! i didn't mean to forcefully yell. i'll try not to do it again i promise ( ._.);;;
Speaking of people who DO feel more clear after yesterday: for me, Vere.
Not totally, but I feel good on him.
He also makes me feel better by starting on Geno, one of the people giving m some vibes. But I will dig into that after dinner, when I can get off mobile.
Not totally, but I feel good on him.
He also makes me feel better by starting on Geno, one of the people giving m some vibes. But I will dig into that after dinner, when I can get off mobile.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Sawneeks
little green dog
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
Replying to Sawneeks s
When I made my vote, the vote leaders were Grizz, Rynam, and Vere. A vote on Kawl wouldn't have done anything to change the fact that we were at something like a 6v5v5 then.
When I made my vote, the vote leaders were Grizz, Rynam, and Vere. A vote on Kawl wouldn't have done anything to change the fact that we were at something like a 6v5v5 then.
Why? Since when is 15 more than a 4th of 50?
Verelios
Were-elios
Verelios
Were-elios
What?
I said the number of scum is a about a 4th of the size. I speculated on 15 and you said 15 is more than a 4th. Which is not true.
Can you not use a calculator?
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
Are you trolling right now?
Verelios
Were-elios
1/4 of 60 is 15
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Well that’s one shitty night. Also, that was a bizarre update from Sorian. “Hey here’s this thing you can’t interact with, bye”.
Anyways, we got a really good result yesterday - especially with it being a godfather AND a roleblocker (which also leads one to wonder what their other roles might be). I looked over Grizzly to see what all jumped out at me, admittedly most of it was all WIFOM which didn’t help much.
That being said I also looked at the votes - he was lynched by a pretty wide margin so there was probably at least a couple scum bussing him. One thing that stood out to me was the timing of votes. My best guess as to whatever the hell he was doing is that he hoped to get a little heat in order to get checked by a cop. Things obviously took a turn though and at some point scum were probably scrambling with what to do. I would guess since they went with a claim that was pretty dicey they wouldn’t want to bus too late in the process. Within 15 minutes leading up to his claim Monkey, ynnek, Geno, and Hecht voted for him. Obviously Hecht was town, but if I were to guess this would be the best moment for scum to hop on board before given the claim Grizzly threw out. Geno would be the one that seems most suspect to me, at one point Grizzly cast shade at him only to later backpedal and say Geno “wasn’t a good target for a lynch”.
I also still think Apollo, Zubz, and Zipped could be scum. Debating if I want to pew pew an outright scumread or someone that ghosted.
Need to look over the posts of everyone that died too.
Anyways, we got a really good result yesterday - especially with it being a godfather AND a roleblocker (which also leads one to wonder what their other roles might be). I looked over Grizzly to see what all jumped out at me, admittedly most of it was all WIFOM which didn’t help much.
That being said I also looked at the votes - he was lynched by a pretty wide margin so there was probably at least a couple scum bussing him. One thing that stood out to me was the timing of votes. My best guess as to whatever the hell he was doing is that he hoped to get a little heat in order to get checked by a cop. Things obviously took a turn though and at some point scum were probably scrambling with what to do. I would guess since they went with a claim that was pretty dicey they wouldn’t want to bus too late in the process. Within 15 minutes leading up to his claim Monkey, ynnek, Geno, and Hecht voted for him. Obviously Hecht was town, but if I were to guess this would be the best moment for scum to hop on board before given the claim Grizzly threw out. Geno would be the one that seems most suspect to me, at one point Grizzly cast shade at him only to later backpedal and say Geno “wasn’t a good target for a lynch”.
I also still think Apollo, Zubz, and Zipped could be scum. Debating if I want to pew pew an outright scumread or someone that ghosted.
Need to look over the posts of everyone that died too.
LOL, in my head I was dividing it by 3 because that's the gamefaqs town/scum ratio. Silly brain. Anyway, factoring in multiple teams 15 is about right.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Besides the fact that you come in, say the train came out of nowhere and then proceed to give Ry a Town/Neutral read and give nothing on your Grizz thoughts outside of voting for him? Why vote for him at all if the train came 'out of nowhere'?
Bear also wasn't the surefire lynch yet and Kawl still had some rumblings, a vote there could have pushed it.
therefore
Apollo
Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
But why would we prioritize your lynch over his at that point?
I can't get my head around why Grizzly gave up so easily.
There is almost definitely people bussing him. But while I didn't read Vere as scum yesterday, I'm wondering if he is scum now because Grizzly could have gotten him easier if he made a case and from what I saw in Monopoly, he is pretty good at making himself seem town and I'm sure he could have made a convincing enough case for Vere.
Aka I'm wondering if Grizzly sacrificed himself as Vere was very close to being lynched. Rynam was as well but considering his inactivity, I'm not sure a scum mate would protect him like that. If Grizzly wanted, he probably could have convinced people to vote for Vere properly but instead he went nuts and posted lots of images instead.
Just some thoughts. I might be on the wrong track but I think it's worth considering Vere more today.
Also Kawl. Kawl messing with our heads with that claim and then backtracking the claim of the TD event. It's very much in my head as to WHY?
There is almost definitely people bussing him. But while I didn't read Vere as scum yesterday, I'm wondering if he is scum now because Grizzly could have gotten him easier if he made a case and from what I saw in Monopoly, he is pretty good at making himself seem town and I'm sure he could have made a convincing enough case for Vere.
Aka I'm wondering if Grizzly sacrificed himself as Vere was very close to being lynched. Rynam was as well but considering his inactivity, I'm not sure a scum mate would protect him like that. If Grizzly wanted, he probably could have convinced people to vote for Vere properly but instead he went nuts and posted lots of images instead.
Just some thoughts. I might be on the wrong track but I think it's worth considering Vere more today.
Also Kawl. Kawl messing with our heads with that claim and then backtracking the claim of the TD event. It's very much in my head as to WHY?
Possibly get rid of a scum (if his target was scum) and a neutral? That was my thinking.
Verelios
Were-elios
Multiple teams? Why do you think that?
4 deaths in the night. There's bound to be some neutrals in here. No way a single team can do 4 deaths in 1 night.
I'll agree with this. It was pretty much my plan. Clean up the AFKs who haven't been replaced. (since Salva replaced Sexy_Fish, we'll see what they have to say when they get here)
Where is your Zubz read coming from? Otherwise this reflects a lot of my thoughts. Obviously that many town flips at once sucks, but we get to narrow down the amount of legitimate town players on Grizzly. I'd also add Poltergust and Muffin to the list of players looking bad upon rereading for last minute voting.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
That would be one fucked up “other method of killing” unless you meant to make that plural. I’m guessing there’s probably one or two kills that belong to a neutral. I would’ve guessed town even but after Faddy’s flip I’m not so sure.
Well that’s convenient, just as I was suspecting that section of voters - you can join Geno in my extra suspect pile.
I do think it would be good if people make an attempt to justify their ITAs before hand. I really don’t want to deal with trying to parse who is scum if a bunch of people just start taking shots based on “gut”.
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
Besides the fact that you come in, say the train came out of nowhere and then proceed to give Ry a Town/Neutral read and give nothing on your Grizz thoughts outside of voting for him? Why vote for him at all if the train came 'out of nowhere'?
Bear also wasn't the surefire lynch yet and Kawl still had some rumblings, a vote there could have pushed it.
therefore
I really didn't get the impression that it could have at that point (voting for Kawl), and while Grizzly wasn't a surefire lynch, he was in the lead when I checked to make that vote.
The reason I even brought up Ry then was because I had been considering voting for him throughout the day, until people started to explain why that wasn't a good lynch. Like others had said, low posters will be dealt with with the day kills.
Not sure about LP, but I would not be opposed to using it on Rynam.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Okay so, to preface this considering that we had 50 people to start I feel it's a safe assumption that there are either multiple Scum Teams or a Neutral Team on top of a Scum Team. Therefore I'm not breaking down the interactions/votes as simply Scum/Town, I'm labeling them as Scum with Grizzly/Not Scum with Grizzly. Those who voted against him may not be Town but did help us catch Mafia and we shouldn't give them a full clear.
Looking just at Bear and what he did, what those around him did, and the votes from both groups I have:
Scum with Bear: Zeke for continuously ignoring Bear when he was a vote option and instead sticking to Kawl, even outright now discussing him (1463, 1484). Ynnek for the aforementioned poor reasons for voting Bear including not mentioning why he voted, giving Ry a semi-clear, and ignoring his stronger scum read (1503). Also potentially Alexem for the 'ass covering' he did before Bear died, suggesting that he would flip Scum and setting up an 'out' (1544).
Not Teammates with Bear: Kyan was one of the earliest to Scum Read him and vote for him (1125). Monkey for calling out Bear's bad reasons for voting Stuart but not voting for him (1200, 1245). And Coolest's vote against Bear, while without a good reason, did push him into the forefront and was a turning point in votes (1381)
Maybes: Faircure jumped back and forth on Bear, voting and unvoting for odd reasons (1225, 1315, votes eventually). Gorlak admits a bandwagon jump (1399). Nat also jumps on the wagon suddenly (1409). Geno due to Bear voting him in the Mini Game (meaning he would win an item), Bear mentions he would not lynch him early on (1185). However, Geno's logic at (1662) makes little sense from a Scummate perspective.
Outside of that I also have a few reads/ideas but I'm gonna take a lunch so I'll do that when I get back.
at the moment I think:
Mafia with Bear: Zeke, Ynnek, and Alexem
Not Mafia with Bear: Kyan, Monkey, and Coolest
Weird Ones: Faircure, Gorlak, Nat, and Geno.
Looking just at Bear and what he did, what those around him did, and the votes from both groups I have:
Scum with Bear: Zeke for continuously ignoring Bear when he was a vote option and instead sticking to Kawl, even outright now discussing him (1463, 1484). Ynnek for the aforementioned poor reasons for voting Bear including not mentioning why he voted, giving Ry a semi-clear, and ignoring his stronger scum read (1503). Also potentially Alexem for the 'ass covering' he did before Bear died, suggesting that he would flip Scum and setting up an 'out' (1544).
Not Teammates with Bear: Kyan was one of the earliest to Scum Read him and vote for him (1125). Monkey for calling out Bear's bad reasons for voting Stuart but not voting for him (1200, 1245). And Coolest's vote against Bear, while without a good reason, did push him into the forefront and was a turning point in votes (1381)
Maybes: Faircure jumped back and forth on Bear, voting and unvoting for odd reasons (1225, 1315, votes eventually). Gorlak admits a bandwagon jump (1399). Nat also jumps on the wagon suddenly (1409). Geno due to Bear voting him in the Mini Game (meaning he would win an item), Bear mentions he would not lynch him early on (1185). However, Geno's logic at (1662) makes little sense from a Scummate perspective.
Outside of that I also have a few reads/ideas but I'm gonna take a lunch so I'll do that when I get back.
at the moment I think:
Mafia with Bear: Zeke, Ynnek, and Alexem
Not Mafia with Bear: Kyan, Monkey, and Coolest
Weird Ones: Faircure, Gorlak, Nat, and Geno.
Rynam is a good one. LP less so. If LP is town, even as a low poster, he has good analysis. I would let him sit another day if it was up to me and see what he comes with.
The sad reality is most of our low posters are probably town but if we can’t read them that’s a great way to clear. It’s also a signal for low posters to light a fire under that ass and at least try.
The sad reality is most of our low posters are probably town but if we can’t read them that’s a great way to clear. It’s also a signal for low posters to light a fire under that ass and at least try.
I think that's the first time I see the briefscat name.
Verelios
Were-elios
I'll agree considering 2/5 of the roster didn't even vote yesterday
Sawneeks
little green dog
Highly disagree on Polter, he's one of my Town Reads. He seemed way too lost to be Scum.
But why no comment on Grizz despite wanting him dead? You go enough to comment on Ry but not enough to comment on the person you want dead despite a 'sudden train'?
One thing I remember that I wanted to bring up was this post:
Considering this was after Grizz went well... you saw, I think this combined with the whole "I did the TD thing oh but I didn't really do it" makes him more suspicious to me.
Considering this was after Grizz went well... you saw, I think this combined with the whole "I did the TD thing oh but I didn't really do it" makes him more suspicious to me.
Nomad Sparkster
This is some wild shit maynard
maths
WHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Whut da heel happened to where bear revealed himself?
Whuuutt goooing on?
WHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Whut da heel happened to where bear revealed himself?
Whuuutt goooing on?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
...right
Anyway, to business
@melonrabbit
I challenge you to a duel. I propose pistols at [strike]dawn[/strike] ITA phase two.
I'm cool with a dance off, not like we can be any more constructive with our time.
Man, I need really, really to catch up.
I wasn't really here for the push for Grizzly which at the time (from skimming the thread during work) seemed outtta nowhere that completely derailed the Verelios push and Ryanm pushes.
Four deaths is somewhere surprising number to see, but given the player size should've been expected. I don't know recall a single Crimson post, so that is a surprising pick. Hecht stood the most of the picks and he was fairly antagonistic.
Praying Mysterious Entity is Blarg. This was but both a blessing and a curse for his trolling nature.
Nomad Sparkster
This is some wild shit maynard
I would literally not be shocked if kyan was a neutral
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
It wasn't that I wanted him dead, it was that I wanted to try to make sure we didn't end up with a tie, resulting in a no lynch. I didn't really have much else to comment on about Grizz because I hadn't been reading him that closely, hence why his sudden train surprised me.
Nomad Sparkster
This is some wild shit maynard
#ALLHAILBLARG
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
That's what Kawl does though. He claims shit and backtracks all the time.
Verelios
Were-elios
Is that a meta justification?
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Anyone remember off hand who started the Grizzly push or are you really going to make me dig?
Nomad Sparkster
This is some wild shit maynard
Here's a shovel now start
Faddy was the first vote so him.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Mazre
Traitor of Humanity
Vote log will tell you how the votes came in, you'll probably have to dig for actual discussions though
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Justification? No. It annoys me when he does it to no end.
Just saying I'm not shocked.
All you needed to know that it wasn't remotely likely to be true was because Splinter suggested in the first post and Splinter theories are pure crazy talk.
I spaced, here now though