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[Ty4on]

What kind of an excuse is this? You didn't vote for your lynch target because they might get turbo'd with less than an hour until the deadline? Leaving things until the last minute is bad play, all it does is give people an out that they had to do *something* due to time pressure.

You posted after the vote was tied.

Ya.

Make two thoughts, please. I'm scum, I townread Sorian, I put nin in the bottom of my scumpile, I avoid voting and at the last minute when it is tied I vote for Sorian. What the FUCK am I doing?

If I bus, I bus. If I save, I save. Putting myself in the middle gives me the disadvantages of both.

 

[heymonkey]

So are we 4 on Nomad and 3 on Dusk at this time?

 

[Faddy]

Ya.

Make two thoughts, please. I'm scum, I townread Sorian, I put nin in the bottom of my scumpile, I avoid voting and at the last minute when it is tied I vote for Sorian. What the FUCK am I doing?

If I bus, I bus. If I save, I save. Putting myself in the middle gives me the disadvantages of both.

You wait to see if the vote goes to Sorian. The next day you make the excuse that you could only tie the vote, and Sorian is better dead because we needed to see the flip or some bullshit that Kark and fep would have lapped up.

Instead the vote goes to nin and you pile on to confirm that you really wanted to save Sorian.

 

[El Topo]

I'll be honest, I'm a bit lost right now.

 

[Faddy]

Also not voting is an even bigger stand out.

 

[Sorian]

Ty isn't wrong though. He isn't really known for choking as scum. Waffling like that isn't really like him.

 

[Ty4on]

You wait to see if the vote goes to Sorian. The next day you make the excuse that you could only tie the vote, and Sorian is better dead because we needed to see the flip or some bullshit that Kark and fep would have lapped up.

Instead the vote goes to nin and you pile on to confirm that you really wanted to save Sorian.

That still looks bad.

I can do more than vote and a tie is only a no lynch if the vote stays till the end.

 

[Ty4on]

Ty isn't wrong though. He isn't really known for choking as scum. Waffling like that isn't really like him.

I just bus them prematurely :thumbs_up:

 

[Faddy]

Ty isn't wrong though. He isn't really known for choking as scum. Waffling like that isn't really like him.

So do you think scum are solidly on you? Or do you think they had a bus? Ty's play is halfway between. Although the same arguments can be made for Topo if he reads that Ty is going to flip the vote to nin anyway. He might as well get out in front of it.

 

[Ty4on]

So do you think scum are solidly on you? Or do you think they had a bus? Ty's play is halfway between. Although the same arguments can be made for Topo if he reads that Ty is going to flip the vote to nin anyway. He might as well get out in front of it.

I kinda read Topo as town for that vote and interactions with Nin. The one that sticks out is Nin sheeping Topo's CCS vote.

 

[Ty4on]

Fuck. Do I really have to shift my vote to nin to avoid a tie?

Jesus Christ. We can't have a tie.

Vote: nin1000

This looks like a townie who thinks Nin is a bad vote. A scum knows Nin is a "good" vote.

 

[Faddy]

I kinda read Topo as town for that vote and interactions with Nin. The one that sticks out is Nin sheeping Topo's CCS vote.

I have the same read of Topo which is why I am pushing you. Is it as simple as the final scum are either on Sorian or Nomadic just playing dead with his vote elsewhere

 

[Ty4on]

I will vote for Kawl to save myself if necessary, but I'd prefer not to. I urge you to look at Nomad again and tell me if that looks sensible.

He looks like a good candidate.
Fight for it

This Nin comment is a bit odd if all three are scum (Nin, Kawl and Nomad).

 

[El Topo]

Could we get a vote count please?

 

[heymonkey]

That's an interesting pull there, Ty. I'd forgotten about that remark from nin.

 

[Ty4on]

I have the same read of Topo which is why I am pushing you. Is it as simple as the final scum are either on Sorian or Nomadic just playing dead with his vote elsewhere

What was you read on Kev/Crim/Terra again?

I'm going a bit back and forth. What I dislike the most is how quickly he voted Sorian and seemed confident with slightly odd reasoning. Sorian doesn't really play passive scum lol

 

[heymonkey]

If Nomadic is town I'd think Dusk and Terra become the best candidates. I know Dusk is leading of the two but I'd lean Terra.

 

[Faddy]

What was you read on Kev/Crim/Terra again?

I'm going a bit back and forth. What I dislike the most is how quickly he voted Sorian and seemed confident with slightly odd reasoning. Sorian doesn't really play passive scum lol

I made a scum read on day 2 for inactivity. Between Crimson and Bronx i have more experience of Bronx so I gave the benefit of the doubt to him and targeted Crimson for a theory of a 2nd absent scum.

I posted yesterday how that is probably wrong judging from how end of day 2 worked. Same as my Sorian argument, scum don't lose to so few votes and with only heavily town people switching it looks like a classic day where scum sit tight happy with a town mislynch on either Crimson or Sorian.

 

[Ty4on]

A Terra and Dusk team makes a decent amount of sense to me rn. Looking through today Terra is progressively getting more suspicious of Dusk.

@Ourobolus VOTECOUNT pls

 

[Sorian]

If anything I want more from Terra, I could say the same of Ty, but he's here now so thats something.

 

[Faddy]

I could have been right and Dusk and nin did as much as they could with 2 votes on Sorian with Crimson again MIA.

 

[heymonkey]

vote: Terrabyte20xx

I will swing to Dusk if I need to, but I think Terra is a better bet.

 

[Ty4on]

Vote: Dusk Soldier

This puts them at 4/3 if I counted correctly, 6 is majority.

 

[Faddy]

Is being this blatant usually a Terra scum tell, openly cheerleading for what would be two town players in a Thunderdome.

Oh Lord, is this what it's going to devolved to, THUNDERDOME between Nomad and FEP?

 

[Dusk Soldier]

It's between Terra and Ty for me, but no one seems to want to vote out Ty because reasons I guess.

vote:Terrabyte20xx

 

[flatearthpandas]

Still firm on nomad. My death tonight is going to feel wasted with him alive tbh, but we. Still have no desire to lynch dusk

 

[Faddy]

I think we want one of Terra or Dusk turbo'd before the deadline to avoid any sort of accidental tie

 

[El Topo]

What's the vote count? I don't want to cause a tie.

 

[Sorian]

Yeah, I also want a vote count, I have no clue where we're at.

 

[Ty4on]

I think the votes look like this

Dusk Soldier (4)
Dr. Worm
Sorian
Ty4on
Faddy

Terrabyte20xx (2)
heymonkey
Dusk Soldier

Nomad Sparkster (1)
flatearthpandas

flatearthpandas (1)
Nomad Sparkster

 

[Ty4on]

OG votecount for reference:

Well that was fun to do on mobile.

Dusk Soldier (2)
heymonkey
Dr. Worm
Sorian

El Topo (0)
Nomad Sparkster

Ty4on (1)
Dusk Soldier

Terrabyte20xx (0)
heymonkey

Nomad Sparkster (3)
flatearthpandas
flatearthpandas
heymonkey
Ty4on

flatearthpandas (1)
Sorian
Faddy
Nomad Sparkster

Sorian (0)
flatearthpandas

 

[El Topo]

I'm really not sold on Dusk - I remain sceptical of others. Given my track record though, that probably means he's scum.

 

[Sorian]

That's a bigger gap than I was expecting, what happened to all the nomad voters?

 

[Faddy]

Terra has a vote on Nomad as well. Where is the official count?

 

[Sorian]

Why did you switch Ty?

Sorry, I thought your Dusk vote was fresh and not a flip.

 

[Ty4on]

That's a bigger gap than I was expecting, what happened to all the nomad voters?

Wait, I forgot Terra's vote

Dusk Soldier (4)
Dr. Worm
Sorian
Ty4on
Faddy

Terrabyte20xx (2)
heymonkey
Dusk Soldier

Nomad Sparkster (2)
flatearthpandas
Terrabyte20XX

flatearthpandas (1)
Nomad Sparkster

 

[El Topo]

VOTE: Dusk Soldier

I wish I had been more active today. I was rather inactive due to real life stuff. My apologies. Not happy how this day developed though.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Not like this.

 

[heymonkey]

feps, I dunno why you're so convinced you're gonna be the NK. I don't see much reason for scum to kill you. You yell about it for a while, you live, it makes everyone suspicious, town maybe lynches you instead of someone else. Especially if the lynches you've been pushing are also town. In their interest to keep you alive, claim or no claim.

 

[Ty4on]

Why did you switch Ty?

Sorry, I thought your Dusk vote was fresh and not a flip.

Feeling more it's Dusk. I see strangeness with Nomad, not scumminess.

Lot's of odd Nin/Nomad connections too

 

[El Topo]

It's reasonable for scum to kill proven town, monkey.

 

[Ty4on]

It's reasonable for scum to kill proven town, monkey.

Then again Monkey is still alive...

 

[El Topo]

Monkey isn't proven for me. But yes, it's somewhat odd, I agree.

 

[Sorian]

Then again Monkey is still alive...

Even I can admit the huge difference between a mason and an override. the override could maybe be scum if the mod really wants to fuck with everyone. The mason isn't.

 

[Hecht]

THE DAY HAS ENDED

 

[heymonkey]

Terra's vote on Nomad is interesting, eh?

 

[El Topo]

But yeah, what Sorian wrote. Scum override is not too common. Maybe it's a meta argument pitfall for me though?

 

[Hecht]

Go to sleep

 

[heymonkey]

I didn't see proof of fep's claim?

 

[heymonkey]

oh shit, sorry, posts hadn't loaded. zzzzz

 

[RetroMG]

FINAL VOTE COUNT

Dusk Soldier (5)
Dr. Worm
Sorian
Faddy
Ty4on
El Topo

Terrabyte20xx (2)
heymonkey
Dusk Soldier

Nomad Sparkster (2)
flatearthpandas
Terrabyte20xx

flatearthpandas (1)
Nomad Sparkster

(Any corrections will be made during night phase.)

 

[Hecht]

DAY 4 ENDS

The patients danced once more, to "Sunrise, Sunset." Tevye would be proud.

That's the joke. They can't all be winners.

Dusk Soldier has died!

Greetings!

You are a Terrible Unlyncher. You are aligned with NOBODY.

In addition to voting, you need to keep [REDACTED] alive. You do not know their alignment or role. If they are lynched, you will lose and be removed from the game. If you die and they remain alive until endgame, you will win.

If they are killed during the night, you will become a Survivor and will win if you make it to the end of the game.

The game thread can be found here: http://outergafia.net/index.php?threads/30/

Night 4 Ends:

 

[Hecht]

(Posting a little early)

"Nurse Retro, please come to the front office. Nurse Retro, please come to the front office," the PA system blared.

Retro put down his vegan latte, sighing loudly as he also placed his bacon sandwich on the table. He rose to his feet and sauntered down the hall, curious as to what fresh hell awaited him.

As he rounded the corner he caught a whiff of something putrid, and he wrinkled his nose. Peering into the nearby dorm room, he found flatearthpandas and Dr. Worm lying on the floor, covered in some smelly, sticky substance. He gingerly touched the bodies, rubbing the goop in his fingers. "What...is this stuff?" He mused.

A voice chirped behind him. "It appears to be guano, Retro. All over the bodies and the room."

Retro sighed once more. "Dear god, these guys are batshit crazy."

flatearthpandas has died!

Greetings!

You are a Terrible Mason. You are aligned with TOWN.

In addition to voting, you share a special relationship with the other Mason, [REDACTED]. You can be assured that your partner is aligned with TOWN. You can chat with your partner here: http://outergafia.net/index.php?threads/34/

You win when all threats to Town are eliminated.

The game thread can be found here: http://outergafia.net/index.php?threads/30/

Dr. Worm has died!

Greetings!

You are a Terrible Hider. You are aligned with TOWN.

In addition to voting, you may also choose to hide behind another player every EVEN night by sending the command COWER: <player> to the moderator via PM. While hiding, you are untargetable, but if the player you are hiding behind is killed, you will die as well. In addition, if you choose to hide behind a Mafia player, you will die.

You win when all threats to Town are eliminated.

The game thread can be found here: http://outergafia.net/index.php?threads/30/

Day 5 ends:

Majority is 4.

 

[heymonkey]

Well shit, two.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

So either Worm hid behind FEP or he hid behind scum.

 

[Faddy]

If Worm hid behind FEP then it was an ill thought out move. I can't see any hints in Worm's posts breadcrumbing who he hid behind.

And who knows if he got a night 2 power since he replaced Darryl.

 

[Faddy]

Who the fuck thinks there a neutral in play?

Literally, faddy, worm, what the hell are you doing?

You're like sorian but without the seasons of built in admiration.

Worm, u thought kark was the mason. If you are town, evaluate your reads. They're bad

Oh feps...

 

[heymonkey]

I was laying everything out for myself, so I figured I'd share with the whole class:

Town (dead):
Dr. Worm (Darryl)
Blargonaut
cabot
CCS
flatearthpandas
Karkador
Kyanrute

Scum (dead):
Kawl
nin1000

Neutral (dead):
Dusk Soldier

Remaining:
heymonkey
Sorian
Faddy
Terrabyte20xx (CrimsonFist/kevyt)
Ty4on (replaced Bronx)
Nomad Sparkster
El Topo

Day 1
CCS (5)
Faddy
El Topo
nin1000
Sorian
squidyj

nin1000 (0)
cabot
El Topo

Sorian (3)
squidyj
El Topo
heymonkey
flatearthpandas
Karkador
Nomad Sparkster

El Topo (0)
Sorian

BiscuitFreak69 (0)
flatearthpandas
Dusk Soldier

Blargonaut (0)
kyanrute

Faddy (0)
flatearthpandas
heymonkey

flatearthpandas (0)
Blargonaut
Sorian

Karkador (1)
cabot
squidyj
squidyj

No Lynch (0)
Karkador
Blargonaut
BiscuitFreak69
Nomad Sparkster

Bronx-Man (0)
nin1000

Kawl (6)
heymonkey
Blargonaut
squidyj
Dusk Soldier
BiscuitFreak69
CCS
kyanrute

Nomad Sparkster (0)
CCS

----------------
Day 2
Final Vote Count

Sorian (4)
Dusk Soldier
Karkador
Nin1000
cabot

CrimsonFist (3)
Faddy
Flatearthpandas
Sorian

Nin1000 (3)
Blargonaut
Hey_Monkey
Kyanrute

Blargonaut (1)
El Topo

El Topo (1)
Nomadic Sparks

No Vote (3)
Bronx-man
CrimsonFist
Darryl

--------------
D3 Final Votes:

nin1000 (7)
heymonkey
cabot
Faddy
Dr. Worm
Sorian
El Topo
Ty4on

Sorian (4)
flatearthpandas
karkador
Dusk Soldier
Terrabyte20xx

El Topo (1)
Nomad Sparkster
​

------------------
Day 4 FINAL VOTE COUNT

Dusk Soldier (5)
Dr. Worm
Sorian
Faddy
Ty4on
El Topo

Terrabyte20xx (2)
heymonkey
Dusk Soldier

Nomad Sparkster (2)
flatearthpandas
Terrabyte20xx

flatearthpandas (1)
Nomad Sparkster

 

[heymonkey]

Faddy - voted CCS day one. Did not move for various reasons according to him. Voted Terra (Crimson) d2. on nin vote d3. Voted Dusk d4.

Nomad - voted No Lynch day 1. Would a scum do that? Moved eventually to a safe Sorian vote. Voted El Topo day 2. Again Day 3. Voted feps day 4. Erratic activity.

El Topo - Moved vote around a lot d1: Sorian, nin, then CCS. voted Blarg d2. Outlier vote. voted nin d3, Dusk d4.

Ty - If scum, may be team with El Topo (some small defense yesterday). Bronx claimed ordinary before Ty joined. Was final vote on nin next to last on Dusk.

Terra - Voted Sorian d3, voted Nomad d4.

Sorian - voted feps d1 and CCS d1. Criteria d2. nin d3 (but was second lynch candidate), Dusk d4.

Man, all the crossed out votes aren’t on all these counts and it makes vote analysis much harder.

As suspect as Nomad has been, the No Lynch d1 seems like an odd move for scum. Very outside the major votes, though and did not vote for either of the scum lynches. Meta-wise, not getting on the big wagons may be suspect here but it could as easily be erratic activity. Inconclusive. Faddy remains my top town; would not lynch. Has had some good votes at good times; does not seem to be scum trying for townie points. Sorian has been pushed to self-pres so his votes may be useless but maybe today will tell. If Ty is scum, he may be a link to Topo, but otherwise my guess is Topo could be clean.

Terra remains my top candidate today for now.

 

[Ty4on]

Damn, forgot the day started

It didn't really look like Worm announced his targets one way or another. I didn't check Darryl, but all I could see was Worm probably didn't check Terra considering he scum read him late yesterday. He scum read Sorian, Kark and FEP too.

 

[Ty4on]

If Worm hid behind FEP then it was an ill thought out move. I can't see any hints in Worm's posts breadcrumbing who he hid behind.

And who knows if he got a night 2 power since he replaced Darryl.

Did Darryl drop out before N2 btw? It not it could've been Darryl's action (I guess he could've sent it earlier too).

 

[heymonkey]

Oh wow, just noticed CrimsonTerra just got autocorrected to CRITERIA above. ha.

I guess I would rank it this way, from town to scum chance:

Faddy = Town
Ty/Topo = probably town = I'd put them about even
Sorian = forever an unknown - would honestly put him 50/50
Nomad = could be scum
Terra = scum

Wish we knew where Worm hid. With seven left and likely two scum, that means lylo tomorrow if we miss, yes? I'm still a little uncertain about endgame moves.

If we are gonna lynch Sorian, I would say today is the day. I'm gonna watch him carefully today. I want to lean town on him but honestly I do not trust that read.

 

[Ty4on]

If we are gonna lynch Sorian, I would say today is the day. I'm gonna watch him carefully today. I want to lean town on him but honestly I do not trust that read.

Why wouldn't you trust that read? Beyond not trusting any read.

 

[heymonkey]

For two reasons, really: the game has somewhat restricted Sorian to reactionary play; he's had to spend a lot of time defending himself and that makes his actions harder to read beyond wants to stay alive. The second is because he is Sorian and slippery.

 

[Ty4on]

Has he felt more slippery slippery than normal?

 

[heymonkey]

I would say he feels relatively straightforward and that tells us nothing at all, because Sorian can play that from both sides of the fence.

What do you think about the game at this stage, Ty?

 

[Ty4on]

I think I'm gonna go to sleep right now and don't have that much of a change in my views since yesterday except dusk wasn't scum.

Maybe wanna lynch Terra first. Thinking about it tho

 

[Ty4on]

Something's kinda off about a Terra/Nomad team too.

 

[heymonkey]

Something's kinda off about a Terra/Nomad team too.

Terra did vote for Nomad yesterday, predicated on trusting feps, and it was pretty late, when there was probably not much chance of Nomad getting lynched. Could easily be read as scum trying to curry some favor whether NS is scum or town.

Okay, hmm. Decided to go back and look at stuff around Blarg (sorry, Blarg; I was wrong and bad). Nin was very much about silencing Blarg and also pushed for a lynch on me and Nomad. That pushes us more toward a town Nomad, I'd guess. I wonder if Nin's obviousness around Blarg is part of why he went silent after; he was pretty active that day. Blarg really wanted us to look at the CCS voters, who were:

Faddy
El Topo
nin1000
Sorian
squidyj


nin was scum. squidy was town (was also flipping around so I dunno how much this vote means). That leaves Faddy, El Topo, Sorian. Sorian's was self preservation; NAI but worth mentioning. But one of our scums could still be there. One or both could be in the remaining inactives from that day (that's Ty and Terra).

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Terra did vote for Nomad yesterday, predicated on trusting feps, and it was pretty late, when there was probably not much chance of Nomad getting lynched. Could easily be read as scum trying to curry some favor whether NS is scum or town.

What kind of revisionist history are you trying to sell, because let me tell you that this is bullcrap.

Well that was fun to do on mobile.

Dusk Soldier (2)
heymonkey
Dr. Worm
Sorian

El Topo (0)
Nomad Sparkster

Ty4on (1)
Dusk Soldier

Terrabyte20xx (0)
heymonkey

Nomad Sparkster (3)
flatearthpandas
flatearthpandas
heymonkey
Ty4on

flatearthpandas (1)
Sorian
Faddy
Nomad Sparkster

Sorian (0)
flatearthpandas

This was the most up to date vote count before my vote. Notice how nomad is in the lead.

The nin vote was close so I think it is more probable than not that scum were on Sorian or waiting in the wings to vote which puts Ty4on in the frame

I think Dusk Soldier is the right vote here

VOTE: Dusk Soldier

Faddy ties shortly afterwords.

I'm going to go out on a limb and trust FEPs.

VOTE: Nomad Sparkster

I'm not completely convinced by his plan, but I do think there's some merit to it and combined with my re-read of the thread I feel that this is the best bet right now. Barely.

And then this was my vote, making it 4-3. In fact, my vote was the last vote of that page. You yourself even mention that at the top of this one. You call that vote late or whatever, but until you and ty changed your votes, which, might I add, neither of you indicated you would until you actually did, Nomad was in the lead. I don't care whether you think the vote itself is shady, but don't go making statements that just aren't true.

 

[heymonkey]

Nah, that's fair, you're right - I miscounted how many came onto Dusk after when I was looking back through. I really miss the votecounter.

Tell me why you think Nomad is scum.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Why I think Nomad is scum: Made A LOT of noise I the initial 2 days, then went surprisingly silent afterwords, allowing him to coast on early game activity to avoid an activity Lynch. Then when FEPs called him out, his activity exploded. His wagon gained some traction to being a legitimate possibility. Then suddenly in the last half hour of the day phase 3 votes go to Dusk, two of them from former Nomad voters(you and Ty), and one from a player who straight up chose a train that could not lose(Topo).


You tell me how that doesn't look scummy as all get out?

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Also, before FEPs called him out Nomads only post was a vote on El Topo with literally Zero reasoning as to why, and then never answered any questions on it.

 

[Sorian]

I was sitting here playing on my phone and realized this was today, sorry for not showing up earlier. FEP is unsurprising, Worm being town also isn't a shocker and unless he went braindead then he hid behind mafia, going to go back through his iso and maybe Darryl's as well (don't remember when the sub happened). I was busy over the weekend with fixing a computer issue and designing the newest way to torture you all

#lightteasing

so I didn't research the thread but I want to re-read Dusk too, his role is the same one I had in Rick and Morty and is very very very commonly used to protect the weakest scum member (a goon or otherwise super shitty PR) so I'm curious to see who he favored and never voted for. I'll be back.

Initial thoughts I have for the day is lynching Topo or Terra, Nomad is fine too, I get FEP's plan but I don't scum read Nomad at all and then the next part of the plan is lynching me and that is a rabbit hole of two mislynches imo.

 

[Sorian]

I'm bearish on Topo because he didn't move to save nin on D2

The only slightly odd thing I see is this post and that's mostly because I don't think bearish makes any sense in the context of this sentence. He does also ponder Topo's alignment a few times. My only other issue is that he also seems to be the only one that didn't trust the mason claim so maybe he did really hide there? He says specifically that he could see it being a neutral though and I would hope he realizes that his power does not check for neutral status so I find it hard to believe he hid there but I guess it's slightly more likely than everyone else who just believed the claim.

So meh, I'd vote Topo anyway and this gives a slight boost to that but nothing definitive.

 

[Sorian]

Worm subs in early on the night phase where the first check could have happened, meta gamey but Darryl likely dropped the game after the big fiasco that day so he probably had no input in the night action, going to look at day 3 instead.

 

[Sorian]

So, important bits from day 3 imo:

I don't want to turbo anyone until monkey responds here

The Topo put me on a scumteam with an override in Vampire, and given how strange the anti-Blarg sentiment appeared to me (okay yeah he could've been a scumread sure, but a top scumread? really?) I'm somewhat doubtful of monkey's motives here

I don't know if it's plausible that this could be a scum overriding a scum lynch, since that could appear too obvious. It could very well be scum overriding a town lynch to frame the rescued town

He didn't check monkey, his suspicion is pretty consistent throughout the entire day phase.

can I vote just by bolding and coloring, or do I need to highlight?

VOTE: flatearthpandas

UNVOTE

I quote this because he chose someone here, it could be random or purposeful. I notice in the rest of the reading, he never suspects FEP so this could just be it.

I think I'm on the same page as Cabot and feps ATM

Sorian > Topo as far as lynch targets, nin and Faddy don't stand out

Scum NKd two people who voted Kawl D1 iirc? Don't think that's coincidence - feels like Sorian's bus spin is bs. Imo we would do better to lynch in people who voted CCS than to sniff out bussers

I don't think he checked me or Topo, there's a lot of shade against Topo for the whole day so I really really doubt that was the check. There is one weird quote later about me but I'll get to it.

I mean, if I'm scum looking to pull off D2, it makes more sense to me to work the vote to CrimsonFist instead of prepping to blow the override

The "to me" part caught my eye. Like he knows Crimson/Terra's alignment.

So this scumteam has the foresight to prep a Blarg override but not to just pile on a townie earlier

Same with this one, the townie he is talking about is Crimson again. He is talking to Kark here about a specific scenario though but combined with the last quote, it seems like purposeful language.

Last minute switch? Can we can we please please please?

Definitely didn't check Topo because this is where he wanted to vote really badly. He wanted us to switch off nin but he clearly didn't check nin.

TBH I think there's like a 50/50 chance we're looking at town v town and would much rather ride a Topo train

This is the weird quote about me. 50/50 has a new context if he knew the alignment of one of the players that were competing wagons. He obviously didn't check nin or he'd be dead so if he knew something, it was about me.

Conclusion: I doubt he checked me, he puts me as likelier to be scum than Topo very early in the day and there is no reason to do that knowing that people will go through his posts later.

Between FEP and Crimson, I'd actually say he checked Crimson, the FEP thing is actually how I'd breadcrumb my check aside from just straight being more blunt but Worm clearly isn't playing like me considering he doesn't drop an obvious clue ahead of time before his N4 action/ The wording he uses for Crimson seems very deliberate. "To me" insinuates information he is privy to.

 

[Sorian]

Was about to start checking vote counts in relation to Dusk when I realized something, Dusk was actually likelier to be protecting a town member. His post clearly says if the person dies at night that he becomes a survivor and we haven't seen any extra kills this game so unless there is a switcher in the game or a really chill vig then that part of his role PM would make no sense to be talking about scum since they can't die at night.

 

[Sorian]

Meh, just voting wise, Dusk was really consistent. He clearly didn't want to protect me, he ends the last day on Terra but it may not matter to him at that stage since he was already getting lynched. He had a hard on for Ty yesterday so I'd take that out as well.

He does talk about Nomad a lot but from what I'm seeing so far (doing a much lighter read on this then Worm's because I want to get back to other stuff, it's always light shade and a "I'd rather look at this later if need be"

He was consistently on the side of doubting the override was scum related and I do have to mention here that the only real utility to this role for balance purposes, if he was protecting town, is to protect a town PR. Otherwise it just seems superfluous.

Otherwise, he does seem to consistently scum read everyone else except maybe Faddy? I don't see much about Faddy without clicking into every post here.

Conclusion on this one is meh, reading a neutral who had no reason to breadcrumb his target probably isn't worth it. I'd guess any one of monkey, Faddy, or Nomad though. Dusk did work to protect himself on the final day but I don't get the impression he had shifted to survivor yet, he didn't work hard enough and if his target is still alive then he can still win even with his own lynch.

 

[Sorian]

I'll check back in later. The Worm read answers my question.

VOTE: El Topo

Should only be two scum so no, I don't care about laying my vote before anyone tries to get sassy.

 

[heymonkey]

If Topo is scum, I'd look at Ty. Topo's had an odd game but I never particularly scumread it.

I think I talked myself out of a Nomad lean, so I'd redo half my work above. The only real suspicious Nomad moments are things that are always suspicious. His feistiness against fep yesterday was interesting but I don't think it's enough.

 

[Nomad Sparkster]

Still undecided if El Topo is scum

 

[Faddy]

Sorian could well be scum. He's as good a candidate as many, but I think there are better.

I don't even want to know the implications if D3 was two scum trains

Are we doing Worm a disservice? This could be his hint post. I.e. He will be dead if day 3 was two scum train because he is going to check Sorian.

I think that is what he is saying here and I think Worm is smart enough to bread crumb so there it is Sorian is scum.

Vote: Sorian

 

[Faddy]

Plus a Sorian check makes sense. The two main proponents of a Sorian lynch just flipped town.

 

[Nomad Sparkster]

Faddy making sense

 

[Ty4on]

I really need to get started on my school paper so I'll spend most of my evening and probably a big part of tomorrow on it.

What I wanna focus my attention though is Faddy simply because monkey, Sorian and Topo seem likely town and Nomad seemed like a mislynch opportunity for Nin. Would like to look at D2 and 3 vote analysis and how townie it was and if he fits on a team with Crimson/Terra.

 

[Ty4on]

48/48 is kinda meh -_-

Slow, but not long enough days to delay analysis ad infinitum.

 

[Faddy]

I really need to get started on my school paper so I'll spend most of my evening and probably a big part of tomorrow on it.

What I wanna focus my attention though is Faddy simply because monkey, Sorian and Topo seem likely town and Nomad seemed like a mislynch opportunity for Nin. Would like to look at D2 and 3 vote analysis and how townie it was and if he fits on a team with Crimson/Terra.

Got any questions I am here to answer them.

 

[Ty4on]

Got any questions I am here to answer them.

With all the candidates, why didn't Sorian push a better mislynch or do a better job of getting people off Kawl? His defence was pretty half-hearted and seemed a bit un-Sorian.

 

[Faddy]

With all the candidates, why didn't Sorian push a better mislynch or do a better job of getting people off Kawl? His defence was pretty half-hearted and seemed a bit un-Sorian.

I thought he went with a pretty decent tilt at it. It reminded me of the way he defended Natiko in Arkham Mafia.

There really was no defense t be made for Kawl because he hadn't posted. So he siad he wouldn't lynch an inactive and generally tried to discredit the full idea, then voted onto CCS which was the only viable place for him to put his vote.

 

[Faddy]

Look at my post on opening day 2 where I was scum reading Monkey, Sorian and Cabot.

I got turned about with the override and then the nin vote.

 

[Ty4on]

I thought he went with a pretty decent tilt at it. It reminded me of the way he defended Natiko in Arkham Mafia.

There really was no defense t be made for Kawl because he hadn't posted. So he siad he wouldn't lynch an inactive and generally tried to discredit the full idea, then voted onto CCS which was the only viable place for him to put his vote.

Do you think the lynch was unexpected and came out of the blue for him or he just didn't step out enough either due to rl obligations or poor play?

Iirc Nat wasn't lynched.

I can see Kawl being defended quite hard because it's a lynch that gives very little info, Kawl is abnormally inactive and can be valuable later (heck, possibly a power role) when he or a replacement returns and lynch targets give voting records.

 

[heymonkey]

Are we doing Worm a disservice? This could be his hint post. I.e. He will be dead if day 3 was two scum train because he is going to check Sorian.

I think that is what he is saying here and I think Worm is smart enough to bread crumb so there it is Sorian is scum.

Huh. When I went to quote this, I still had a feps quote in my queue, I guess - him saying he didn't think Sorian was scum.

This could be a breadcrumb. It could also just be general commentary.

Feeling rather uncertain today. Will hang back a bit and do some re-reading.

 

[Faddy]

Do you think the lynch was unexpected and came out of the blue for him or he just didn't step out enough either due to rl obligations or poor play?

Iirc Nat wasn't lynched.

I can see Kawl being defended quite hard because it's a lynch that gives very little info, Kawl is abnormally inactive and can be valuable later (heck, possibly a power role) when he or a replacement returns and lynch targets give voting records.

Nat wasn't lynched but they were a neutral pair and it became obvious to me when Nat died that Sorian had invested in protecting his partner in specific ways. I think the way he tried to coerce people from a kawl vote had similar hallmarks to the way he tried to sway people from Natiko.

I think it was a fortunate lynch in the mood of the thread with people going after a no lynch train that with no rel strong reads and even nol lynch votes and rhetoric like "absent kawl is scum kawl" and "always lynch Sorian day 1" flying about it was "lucky" that the kawl train was the one that went. More on this in a bit...

 

[Faddy]

Did Kawl die by mistake...

I think there was at least 1 scum on his vote, it would be the prudent thing to do. For bussing and the lynch bomb.

Kawl (6)
heymonkey
Blargonaut
squidyj
Dusk Soldier
BiscuitFreak69
CCS
kyanrute

That is some good town work. Now let's look at the 2 other voters

We know Dusk is neutral and we know he was to protect someone.

In reply to Monkey

You and I both know I'm not scum. I don't even know why you'd ask me that....

Is this an indicator to Monkey that he will be protecting her, that perhaps she has some info about him in her role PM. So Dusk followed Monkey because he wanted to keep her alive and take any blow back from a mislynch.

It looking to me more and more like Kark was right.

 

[heymonkey]

I don't have anything in my role PM about anyone else. And before we go down this rabbit hole again, now that we've had two scum flips and a number of town flips, what possible evidence is there that scum would have a lynch bomb, a strongman, and an override when there is a hider in play also? Faddy, you must have a badass role. Because from the evidence we have... Ouro might torture us but I assume the game still has to have some balance.

 

[heymonkey]

Also I'm on those scum lynches so man, I am a dedicated busser, I guess, if I'm scum.

Also revisited Dr. Worm. I think if we look at his hiding as a way of finding someone out, he was way more on Topo than Sorian. Except for here:

I think I'm on the same page as Cabot and feps ATM

Sorian > Topo as far as lynch targets, nin and Faddy don't stand out

Scum NKd two people who voted Kawl D1 iirc? Don't think that's coincidence - feels like Sorian's bus spin is bs. Imo we would do better to lynch in people who voted CCS than to sniff out bussers

On the one hand Sorian's pleading metafeels diff enough from my past games with him where he was scum that I could call it town

On the other hand his scumreads make me want to lynch him

Kark kinda put me off him because I'm not sure how scum Sorian makes contextual sense, but I gotta say I could swing

Last minute switch? Can we can we please please please?

^^^this was about a Topo vote, followed by this:

TBH I think there's like a 50/50 chance we're looking at town v town and would much rather ride a Topo train

How do you currently feel about Dusk Soldier and El Topo?

And then a shift here:

Jesus, what's the vote count

I'm fine with Dusk or Terra atm

So I'd say that if Dr. Worm was breadcrumbing, the trail is not so easy to read, but I would guess Topo or Sorian.

 

[Ty4on]

Also I'm on those scum lynches so man, I am a dedicated busser, I guess, if I'm scum.

Speaking of bussing, what kept you from voting Dusk yesterday? The Terra effort was nice, but it really didn't seem like that train was going to leave the station.

 

[Faddy]

Also I'm on those scum lynches so man, I am a dedicated busser, I guess, if I'm scum.

You say that like like you have never played Mafia before.

A day 1 bus is absolutely in play for a scum team. And you were on Kawl so early you may not have expected him to go.

On day 2 you switch to nin then use your override on Blarg so your vote there is not indicative of anything.

On day 3 if Sorian is scum then the plan is clearly 2 scum trains so it doesn't matter where your vote is.

Day 4 the consensus was Dusk but you try and set up the next lynch by voting Terra


You will be in trouble if Sorian flips scum imo.

 

[heymonkey]

You say that like like you have never played Mafia before.

Welp, I've never played scum, so.

Look, I mean, I get it. If Sorian is scum, sure, I look super obviously shady. But that's also one small part of the puzzle here. If it's your big part, well, go to, my friend. There's not much I can say to convince you that I haven't said already. You remain unconvinced. Okay.

Speaking of bussing, what kept you from voting Dusk yesterday? The Terra effort was nice, but it really didn't seem like that train was going to leave the station.

I went through some circles around Nomad, Dusk, and Terra yesterday. I talked myself out of supporting the scumNomad angle. I had more doubts about Dusk than I did about Terra, so I voted Terra. I

I went back and looked at votes - I'm putting Terra and Nomad as top possibilities, then Dusk and Ty. Dusk and Ty have occasionally done more townie things/votes but could be as a front. Terra and Nomad are more suspect. But Nomad could be Nomad.

aw shit, that copy/past didn't grab strikethroughs :(


Dusk voted Kawl, posted that weird thing about his role, and put up one analysis post. More than some. Much less than others. Still puts him the shady area of possibility for me.

I don't know Dusk well enough to speculate on why he would ask if Ouro designed the roles for us if if they were RNGed. Like what that would mean for Dusk. (this is regardless of what Ouro said; my interest is in the fact that Dusk asked and it's my one hesitation - if he's scum, it could have brought attention to his role)

If Nomadic is town I'd think Dusk and Terra become the best candidates. I know Dusk is leading of the two but I'd lean Terra.

vote: Terrabyte20xx

I will swing to Dusk if I need to, but I think Terra is a better bet.

^^I didn't need to. Regardless, one of my candidates got lynched, so I was satisfied.

I've never been crafty. I put my thought process in the thread. Sometimes it's wrong and I get corrected. Sometimes I vote wrong. How I get there is usually pretty visible tho.

If we're looking at Worm's moves as clues, I'd say today it's a toss up between Topo and Sorian with Terra as an outlier. Sorian speaking against the two in that equation who are not him is a fascinating twist. It looks like the top four candidates for suspicion in general are:
Topo - Sorian - Terra - Me
with some possible arguments for Nomad in there.

So let's just:
vote: Sorian

and put that to bed one way or another.