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That's quite the stretch. And you're thoughts on what I quoted from him since you've pulled a whole 180 suddenly and seem content to ignore me while lynching me.
At least you seem to have read my posts. Why is it a fascinating twist? Do you disagree with what I'm seeing?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Not really a stretch and the fact you ignored his comments about you in your analysis I think is also telling.
I think you spotted his breadcrumb and went out your way to try and cause confusion in what Worm did.
I talked about what he said about me in my analysis. Try again. His day 4 does not have much in the way of anything breadcrumb-wise. He played a normal game. The one thing I do even mention is only there because he used a word that didn't make sense to me. His day 3 town check from the night before seems to be easier to spot since he actually says vague things about people. I'd be very unsurprised to find out that Worm thought he was checking a town member and was waiting to breadcrumb tomorrow since FEP was clearly going to be the targeted kill.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
So there isn't much bread crumb wise but you have divined that Worm was hiding behind Topo last night and are voting Topo for that reason alone.
Bullshit.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Oops sorry, I got that wrong.
You are basing your read on Worm's read, when he clearly didn't have an idea what was happening in the game since he hid behind scum when you think he wanted to hide behind town.
And despite being convinced that Worm didn't hide behind topo you vote for him anyway.
You are basing your read on Worm's read, when he clearly didn't have an idea what was happening in the game since he hid behind scum when you think he wanted to hide behind town.
And despite being convinced that Worm didn't hide behind topo you vote for him anyway.
No, I'm voting Topo because I think Worm hid behind Crimson/Terra on N2. You aren't even trying.
The day 4 read provided nothing for me, finding the town check is just as important as finding the scum one. I'm voting Topo or Terra regardless today and I find that Terra was likely greenchecked. Do I need to walk you through it more or are you done with the narrative spin?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Walk me through it because I have no idea what you are doing.
I don't think Worm checked anyone on Night 2. He couldn't breadcrumb anyone and probably didn't have a feel of the game. Then this flippant comment
He subbed in on Saturday (old posts don't have time stamps? Unless that's an option I'm missing) at some point and the game didn't start again until Sunday evening. That is more than enough time to read the thread and make a selection. He can't hide every night, only even nights so he has additional pressure to make a choice because if he doesn't he needs to survive 2 more days and nights before making a choice and being able to report on it. Sure, he couldn't breadcrumb but unless you are purposely trying to seek out scum reads, it's very unlikely you hit scum your first hide just because of pure odds. The comment is whatever, he was being funny when other people were talking about Darryl while Worm was right there and could engage and now the joke gets a few bonus points for having layers, I doubt it's a coded message because he could have easily said things to the effect of "I didn't have time to catch up last night" and that would have put this to rest without saying anything of his PR.
As for the rest: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/30/page-21#post-3642
No, my full play today is based on reads that I've been cultivating for the entire game and when I'm stuck between two players and I see a pretty big sign that could be clearing one of them, I'll gladly check the other one first.
You seem really convinced on reducing my play down though. Makes me feel good about my selection.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
It doesn't seem like you have presented any evidence against Topo though. Where are these reads? What did you make of him switching from nin to you?
Are you scum reading me?
I've been talking about Topo for days now. Also, what are you talking about. He voted me first then switched to nin to "prevent a tie." I make of it that he had to make due with the situation. He wanted to lynch me but it was clear which way the votes were going to go down and he had to be on the right side of history. Not exactly complicated play.
On your own, no, if Topo is scum though, I'm coming for you next. It's clear your tone with me changed today and the only difference is my focus on Topo. If you two are the last ones left then that would lead to some desperation.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Well I made that Topo read yesterday.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I'm mad.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
I'm not sure trying to endlessly analyze Worm's posts for breadcrumbs that may or may not exist is the best course of action...
Topo, why did you vote Dusk?
Topo, why did you vote Dusk?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Did you ever come to a conclusion on this?
"Twist" in that we're down to basically one faction vs another faction with a third faction in the middle. I don't disagree with what you're seeing, necessarily. It's that I feel it can go any one of three ways at this point. I said in the beginning, though, that you're risky at endgame and if we can afford one more mislynch, I'm not sure there's a better candidate to risk it on. There's a day yet to go. Convince me.
FYI, next day phase I'll be traveling. Historically I've still been around during conferences but this is with my best homegirls so I may be more occupied than I think I'll be.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Looking too deeply into Worm seems a bit dangerous to me. The lack of clear crumb plus replacement situation makes it seem plausible to be he missed the N2 window and the subsequent lack of N4 crumb makes it look like it could've been a crapshoot.
I mean, I targeted my top scum target as a weak cop. This isn't N1, but there was still some shakeup with the claim.
I mean, I targeted my top scum target as a weak cop. This isn't N1, but there was still some shakeup with the claim.
Yeah, I don't think we get a clear trail with Worm. Too many variables.
I am concerned that someone out there is sitting on a claim that would help and not owning up. But today we lynch - my guess - either Sorian or Topo, and then maybe we get more info.
I am concerned that someone out there is sitting on a claim that would help and not owning up. But today we lynch - my guess - either Sorian or Topo, and then maybe we get more info.
This is helpful, thank you.
I don't really have any way to convince past what I've already said. I can emotional appeal if you really want but that's just going to be sniped at as scummy anyway. We both know how this goes regardless of my alignment. I'm the scapegoat between everyone else and your lynch. I flip town and everyone still comes up with a reason for why you were a scum override. I don't think you are and I'm trying to avoid the mislynch domino because we have two left by all accounts.
I doubt we have a real claim left. All the bases seem covered and I'm honestly surprised there was a cop even if it was a nerfed one.
Honestly if people are convinced I'm a scum override, I should be the lynch. My votes are more revealing too. So let me be the mislynch and town can do some work.
unvote
Going to bed. Will vote again when I'm back in but fear a Euro turbo while I'm sleeping.
unvote
Going to bed. Will vote again when I'm back in but fear a Euro turbo while I'm sleeping.
We need to get off the nonsense of throwing a mislynch to clear doubt. There's two scum still and only two mislynches, I don't have faith that we get both in a row which is why I'm not laying down on my lynch and not going monkey either just to clear air.
Taking a different tack today because I really don't want to make assumptions here but I'm frustrating because the game is difficult to track. Two of our active players have very limited histories because they replaced non-entities; early votes and other patterns I usually rely on are difficult to follow or useless. We found two scum, but one had no connections, and the only living player still on that vote is me and I'm not scum. The only way I'm scum is if the override is scum; otherwise everyone on that vote was town or Dusk Soldier, the neutral.
nin1000 had votes on him day 2 when I overrode (though was not in the lead), and was killed day 3. The only living players not on that vote were Terra and Nomad. He (nin1000) voted for CCS, Sorian, Bronx (who became Ty). Not sure how worthwhile these votes are but here are some things to consider: nin hammered on Sorian more than on anyone else - with one scum down, would he make Sorian, who is always at risk of lynch because he is Sorian, his major target? Might he push a Bronx lynch when we had already lynched Kawl, thinking it was safe? Nothing is certain here but it's all worth thinking about.
Shaded me (to the point of saying I was inactive - twice!- which is clearly not true), Nomad. Shaded Blarg. Sorta shaded Faddy while also supporting what Faddy was saying. Shaded Darryl, who became Worm. Scumread Sorian.
Defended Crimson (who became Terra), El Topo
Supported Topo multiple times.
The bold sticks out to me. Supporting Topo does also because he did it multiple times. Could be really obvious, super obvious even, if Topo is scum, especially since Topo wasn't terribly active and so the support sticks out. Doesn't clear it. But the approach to Faddy is notable because he's simultaneously shading Faddy for no reason ("I don't like you, Faddy") while supporting Faddy's ideas.
Digging into Faddy, Topo, and Terra now.
nin1000 had votes on him day 2 when I overrode (though was not in the lead), and was killed day 3. The only living players not on that vote were Terra and Nomad. He (nin1000) voted for CCS, Sorian, Bronx (who became Ty). Not sure how worthwhile these votes are but here are some things to consider: nin hammered on Sorian more than on anyone else - with one scum down, would he make Sorian, who is always at risk of lynch because he is Sorian, his major target? Might he push a Bronx lynch when we had already lynched Kawl, thinking it was safe? Nothing is certain here but it's all worth thinking about.
Shaded me (to the point of saying I was inactive - twice!- which is clearly not true), Nomad. Shaded Blarg. Sorta shaded Faddy while also supporting what Faddy was saying. Shaded Darryl, who became Worm. Scumread Sorian.
Defended Crimson (who became Terra), El Topo
Supported Topo multiple times.
The bold sticks out to me. Supporting Topo does also because he did it multiple times. Could be really obvious, super obvious even, if Topo is scum, especially since Topo wasn't terribly active and so the support sticks out. Doesn't clear it. But the approach to Faddy is notable because he's simultaneously shading Faddy for no reason ("I don't like you, Faddy") while supporting Faddy's ideas.
Digging into Faddy, Topo, and Terra now.
So looking back at this. There was so much focus later on the CCS votes but we've never dug into Faddy. Everyone has just townread him. But looking back at this - Faddy seems to be all about constructing reasons for things. It starts here with me pressuring him. Yes, I challenged him keeping a vote on someone who was almost lynched if he didn't think they were scum.
Here's his reason for voting nin. I don't see any scumreading of nin. Searching the thread for that isn't helping because the search won't pick up "nin" as a term. If someone can find Faddy scumreading him, I'd like to see it.
Looking back at this just because now feps is dead. tbf, I didn't see the roleclaim either but several did. I'm not sure how to read this.
Was Faddy the one Dusk was protecting? Does Faddy have something in his PM?
This is such a reach - with everything else, it looks like less of an idle reach and more calculated.
And now pushing Sorian also based on feelings, basically. Not a bad argument, but also not particularly strong.
Faddy did vote nin. Does that clear him?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Again this is frustrating. There are only 3 of us really playing right now and Ty is chipping in here and there but Nomad, Topo and Terra have done nothing.
I'm sticking with Sorian because I have to believe Worm called out his target. The line about Sorian is the one solid piece of evidence of a target. Is it 100% conclusive? No. But it isn't the only thing about Sorian that is troubling. His defence of Kawl on day 1, his passiveness on day 2, I also don't like the fact that he just claimed no matter what his flip that the next target will be monkey, which is clearly not the case.
I'm sticking with Sorian because I have to believe Worm called out his target. The line about Sorian is the one solid piece of evidence of a target. Is it 100% conclusive? No. But it isn't the only thing about Sorian that is troubling. His defence of Kawl on day 1, his passiveness on day 2, I also don't like the fact that he just claimed no matter what his flip that the next target will be monkey, which is clearly not the case.
But that was ONE line and the least direct of the things he said, Faddy. It seems like such a small thing - confirmation bias of what you've been pushing. And how I am clearly not the next target when you yourself said I look bad if Sorian flips scum?
Let's ask this: what happens if Sorian flips town?
Why did nin vote him?
But I agree with you on the frustration.
Let's ask this: what happens if Sorian flips town?
Why did nin vote him?
But I agree with you on the frustration.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
This is what Sorian wrote
How is that logical at all? If Sorian is town you should be in the clear and even if he is scum there are arguments to be made against others.
If Sorian flips town then suspicion goes onto Nomad for me, then one of Terra and Ty.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
It doesn't mean that you didn't make a mistake overriding the Sorian lynch.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Nin only mentioned me twice as well. It does seem strange that we interacted so little.
As for my vote, after Blarg flipped town I decided I should actually listen to him and go down the CCS voters, coupled with how I saw Sorian at the time meant nin was the obvious vote since I thought El Topo's CCS post on day 1 was too much effort to be scum. If CCS got lynched suspicion would have immediately turned to him.
I could have easily gone the opposite way and went to lynch Sorian on Day 3.
El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
Sorry. I've had a couple of 8-6/7/8 work days, so when I get home afterwards I've been a bit lazy. I'm not going to defend my inappropriate behavior in that regard.
El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
It seems unreasonable to assume so, I agree, unless there was only a single scum left, in which case - not that I have thought about it much - I would think you would not have used your override.
So I haven't had a chance to look back over Terra yet but I know there isn't too much to see.
I'm feeling some kinda way about Faddy. Did I talk myself into that or was it just there all along and I wasn't seeing it because I had just decided he was town?
Unless someone can tell me why nin would vote for Sorian at that point, I will not call Sorian scum, which also makes me kinda sick to my stomach because I don't trust him. Nomad is probably town. Ty could be scum but feels more helpful. Shady ass votes, but some effort.
So we're talking Terra, Topo, Faddy.
I'm feeling some kinda way about Faddy. Did I talk myself into that or was it just there all along and I wasn't seeing it because I had just decided he was town?
Unless someone can tell me why nin would vote for Sorian at that point, I will not call Sorian scum, which also makes me kinda sick to my stomach because I don't trust him. Nomad is probably town. Ty could be scum but feels more helpful. Shady ass votes, but some effort.
So we're talking Terra, Topo, Faddy.
Oh...kay? I said myself it was a mistake to override for Blarg. But, you know, shit was fast and now hindsight is slow.
Thank you, Ty, I appreciate it.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
The content wasn't important, just trying to ping them. Or does this also work?
@Terrabyte20xx
@Nomad Sparkster
It is 3 hours to deadline and you guys have done nothing
@El Topo don't go MIA again
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Maybe post some of these thoughts in the thread then.
How do you feel about this now?
Have you ever played with Nomad before? Real quesiton.
Topo, did you ever answer this?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ok so this has been bugging me. I can't really think of a great reason but one reason is perhaps they saw the trouble they were in by both being on the CCS vote and wanted to separate themselves by going after each other. So getting one would be easy but the other would be heavily town read.
That at least makes some kind of sense.
El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
There's things that linger in the back of my head. What if Ty deliberately bussed at the very end as an alibi, what if Faddy fake claimed cop at the end of the day (by calling out a Town player) to seem more trustworthy, what if Nomad is deliberately playing like this to fly under our radar, whatever happened to Terra being monkey's top candidate? The last one is more because I might have missed that.
That could be, Faddy. But it's as thin as a lot of other wires right now. I don't know if I can buy it as a reason to lynch Sorian. My gut says lynching Sorian may be a safe choice but I don't know if it's an anti-scum choice.
Looking back at Topo, I have almost no impressions at all.
vote: El Topo
Looking back at Topo, I have almost no impressions at all.
vote: El Topo
Oh, hey, more of this, please.
That is a very interesting question about Faddy. Ty has been a lingering question but I don't see much other reason to call Ty scum. Terra is in my tops.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I mean Sorian was the obvious choice to get lynched on day 2 so I don't feel the nin bus is out of the question.
They had to flip CCS since he was a PR and too dangerous to be left alive, if he was a cop he would have checked Sorian on night 1 guaranteed.
So now Sorian is on an alternate town train with town voters already on his ass who are going to continue to build pressure on him. So scum bussing him on day 2 feels like the right play.
They had to flip CCS since he was a PR and too dangerous to be left alive, if he was a cop he would have checked Sorian on night 1 guaranteed.
So now Sorian is on an alternate town train with town voters already on his ass who are going to continue to build pressure on him. So scum bussing him on day 2 feels like the right play.
El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
Given that heymonkey started two scum lynchs, has an ability that is rarely scum and used it in a rather obscure way makes it seem very reasonable for me to assume that she is town. It's too useful an ability for scum to waste, unless Sorian was scum and she was absolutely desperate to save him (and obviously did not want to use her ability to lynch nin, who she voted for and turned out to be scum).
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
And now you remembered do you have any comment on it?
Stop throwing shade and make decent case for me being scum. That is what this is building to right?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Tunneling who? Kark? I did not believe his scum team at the time and it was obvious he was in a tunnel on Sorian whether that is right or wrong. But after going so hard on Sorian then protecting nin it did feel like he was all in on a lynch and desperate. I made a bad call to do something. Sorian also called him out as scum coming up to the deadline.
I don't think I have been tunneling anyone. I have a few blind spots I'm sure like I haven't even tried to work out what the hell Nomad is doing.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
And if i flip scum who is my team mate?
Glad you found your USB. But like... you roll in, say you gotta catch up, and vote? Why?
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Sorian is still an unknown. I wouldn't be opposed to voting him, but he's relatively low on the list.
Unless a past game has escaped my memory, I don't think I have.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I'm not there yet :thinking:
I'm fully caught up and all. I just gotta read more stuff about Faddy and other folks in this game.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
What changed here? You seemed quite set on him after you came into the thread. I never really understood that read.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
What changed was the Nin flip. It just doesn't make sense for scum to bus so soon after losing one of their own. I read him as scum when I first showed up because of the hyper defensiveness of his posts at the time. It honestly felt like he was cornered scum to me. The flip, plus the change in attitude has me making him less of a priority than others, namely Nomad and Topo.
I'm still completely at a loss on how you think that was him calling a target. Like, not even in a defending myself kind of way but in a way "how do you pull that line and see it as an announcement of a PR."
The scum override theory has been rumbling the entire game, mostly because Kark pushed it so hard. Because he flipped town, it keeps some of its legitimacy. If town is lynched today, we end up with 3 town and 2 scum tomorrow. It is not hard to take that final seed of doubt and finish what has been growing for days. Take it how you will, I know how to actually read writingon the wall and at the very least, this whole conversation works towards delegitimizing that as a choice at all.
I just woke up but insert a nice Loki gif here.
Oh, i meant to call out the passiveness on day 2 line as well. I have a hard time swallowing that I was "passive" during a day phase where I wasn't worried about work and was also on the chopping block for most of the day. That's just straight not true.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I believe Worm is a responsible player who would have called out his target.
I believe you have been scummy most of the game.
Now that I sat down and thought out how you and nin interacted and why you would bus each other the voting pattern makes sense.
As for your partner I am leaning more and more towards Ty.
The fact that nin played with Topo with kid gloves is much more like scum nin. nin does bus at weird times but he's proven to know a tad better than doing that again the second after one team member dies.
Also, of course you are leaning more and more towards Ty, he's voting for you.
Also, of course you are leaning more and more towards Ty, he's voting for you.
I also think Worm was likely to call out his target but there are better possibilities that have been quoted than a line that you have to read into, Faddy, to fit a scumSorian narrative. There are ways to push a scum read on Sorian and I think that's a really poor one.
Terrabyte20xx
Bro.
Did not realize we were this close to day end, I could have sworn it was tomorrow.
Can someone PLEASE tell me why we've just kinda ignored that three vote swing in the last half hour of the previous day? Am I seriously the only one who was bothered by it?!?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I think he just went for someone he was felt fairly certain was town. Who? I have no idea really. Not his scum read I guess.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
But I am doing both. Sorian's scum play AND Worm's hint.
And if there is a better hint for where Worm was hiding please point me to it.
It always read as just staying out so that he could have a stronger vote near the end. Blarg is always a safe haven vote. There's no need to move to the wagon when it didn't look like anyone was going to tie me and nin.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Looking at his vote alone there were two folks with 3 votes and Nin with 2 so it kinda makes sense as a scum putting their vote there. "Batshit nowhere" I think is the technical term.
I like his read of Nin though. If you make it it seems unwise not to vote for him.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
For those trying to catch up this in my opinion is Worm calling his shot.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Looks like a random comment to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Why Sorian and nin make sense from their votes.
Day 1: Both vote CCS trying to save Kawl.
Day 2: Oh shit people are going to lynch down the CCS voters, better separate or we are screwed. Mutual bussing
Day 3: With the override it is clear nin vs Sorian, just bus as above
Day 4: Sorian goes back to his day 2 plan of trying to lynch the bus on the Kawl lynch which very likely does not exist.
Day 5: Sorian back to Topo who he was trying to push as the first CCS voter we should kill
Day 1: Both vote CCS trying to save Kawl.
Day 2: Oh shit people are going to lynch down the CCS voters, better separate or we are screwed. Mutual bussing
Day 3: With the override it is clear nin vs Sorian, just bus as above
Day 4: Sorian goes back to his day 2 plan of trying to lynch the bus on the Kawl lynch which very likely does not exist.
Day 5: Sorian back to Topo who he was trying to push as the first CCS voter we should kill
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Is your opinion that Worm did not call his shot?
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Ya. If he did I think he'd try to make it stand out more instead of being so obscure.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I just did look at the voting data. FFS
Yes, under the lens of "Sorian is scum and I have to prove it"
You could take that entire list and flip some words to prove that I'm town.
El Topo
Spanish for "The Topo"
I meant the Worm/breadcrumb thing. Sorry, should have made that clear.