Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This

Geno? That's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see how it plays out.

Did I say that he was mafia though?

Geno being mafia wouldn't fit in with what he's doing. He's doing stupid things, which i doubt he would do if he were mafia.

I don't think he's mafia. I think he does have some other role. I think I said this way back during the last day phase.

Basically yeah. I mentioned Blarg too, even though he was townie. They're doing stupid things. Blarg is probs just being Blarg, but Geno doing those things is suspicious.

Well shit, I didn't process it. The reaction was so nonchalant, I didn't remember thst post.

I don't believe him, but honestly it's most likely true.

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VOTE: Extreme Tactician
 

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
At this stage in the game, I would hope that scum would be a bit more careful about what they're posting. Especially in fairly close proximity like that.
 
Why wouldn't it be? I don't get why so many players have been cutting Extreme some slack on this.

His play has been very sloppy since the beginning and he's not scum hunting at all. Like Brazil said, his shot at Verelios is the only thing that's remotely town about him, and that shot came after some 10 other players shot at him first. It was clear he was wouldn't last in the game either way.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
At this stage in the game, I would hope that scum would be a bit more careful about what they're posting. Especially in fairly close proximity like that.
Yea I tend to try not to go all in on scum play a perfect game but that’s stretching the limits of believability. Seems like just a town who couldn’t be assed to stay consistent
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Ugh kalor going to bat for the dude he’s tied for the lynch for feels icky

Could I be wrong??

No it’s blarg who must be wrong
 
Extreme at this point the others are right. Just claim so we can see if you are even a little bit townie or not.
 
Nevermind me, just a ghost passing through:

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start
extreme tactician (3 votes)
brazil - #7291
luxcommander - #7294
fandorin - #7401
kalor (3 votes)
kawl - #7256
fandorin - #7295 #7401
oreomunsta - #7305
zubz - #7308
poltergust (1 votes)
brazil - #6905 #7291
blargonaut - #7211
zubz (1 votes)
poltergust - #7356
rac (1 votes)
blargonaut - #6887 #7065
rac - #7399
lone_prodigy (0 votes)
blargonaut - #7065 #7172
kalor - #7205 #7334
faircure (0 votes)
brazil - #6848 #6905
brazil (0 votes)
blargonaut - #7172 #7211
Post Counts:
blargonaut: 109 brazil: 65 kalor: 59 extreme tactician: 54 geno: 44 sorian: 43 rac: 40 fandorin: 30 kawl: 29 poltergust: 17 coolestspot: 17 muffin: 14 necktochicken: 11 faircure: 10 oreomunsta: 10 swamped: 7 zubz: 7 luxcommander: 5 lone_prodigy: 4 ynnek7: 4 stanleypalmtree: 1
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Wheres that updated alive player list??

I know for sure there’s some people I’m forgetting. Or has everyone at least posted today?
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Wheres that updated alive player list??

I know for sure there’s some people I’m forgetting. Or has everyone at least posted today?

OP is up to date, you’ll just need to filter through who isn’t crossed out.
 
Extreme at this point the others are right. Just claim so we can see if you are even a little bit townie or not.

This. Had I not slept through this morning's ITA's (I was ready at 5! But they didn't start for a good 15 minutes... I feel back asleep by then...), I would have used mine on Extreme without any hesitation.
 
With LP role revealed, scum could set use their ITA shots to apparently bus their fellow murderers without consequences, with the limitation that they needed to input the command the Night phase prior.

Analyzing the ITA phases with the flips we have though, we can't say for sure that scum managed to do that yet.


In Day 2 we had shots at the following scum: Splinter, Rynam, Verelios and Include.
Verelios and Splinter shots hit, so they were not protected. Polter shot at Rynam could be something, since 2 other townies (Stuart and Neck) shot at him first and he was a relatively easy target. Lux lone shot at Include doesn't seem much either.

In Day 3 we had shots at the following scum: Include, Natiko.
Include shot hit, so she wasn't protected. Stuart's red check at her was also a new development of the day so scum doubtfully expected that. We had Geno and Lone Stranger shot at Natiko, can't infer much from this.

In Day 4 we had shots at the following scum: Natiko and Lone Prodigy.
Natiko got hit and Lone Prodigy couldn't self protect.

And in Day 5 we had shots at Lone Prodigy, who again couldn't self protect either way.

I don't know how to update this, so we are missing the last two ITA phases and Swamped and Lone's flips.

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The (Alive) Player List:
  1. rac replaced Ferg (he/him; EDT)
  2. Geno (he/him; UTC+1)
  3. Ynnek (he/him; EST)
  4. Blargonaut (he/him; GMT)
  5. faircure (she/her; EDT)
  6. Brazil replaced Fireblend (he/him; GMT-6)
  7. Extreme Tactician (he/him/ UTC+8)
  8. CoolestSpot (wtf man give me the deets)
  9. LuxCommander (he/him; CDT)
  10. Poltergust (he/him; EST)
  11. oreomunsta (he/him; UTC-6)
  12. Kalor replaced hom3land (he/him; EST)
  13. Zubz (he/him, EST)
  14. Kawl (he/him; CDT)
  15. Fandorin replaced Xbro (he/him; UTC-6)
 
The only reason I never did claim was because I didn't want to get lynched. There have been cases like Alexem who got lynched because he couldn't mske a good defense. And from what people can see from my posts, I couldn't convince anyone if I tried.
 

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Zubz has been a weird presence in this game. They spend a LOT of time on Melon at the start and then doesn't mention her whenever she does actually flip. Then when I was reading through their posts, there's been a few weird ones.

There's this quote about his ITAs.

I participated in D1’s ITA, & I think D2. I’ve missed the others due to working or sleeping during them. Today was due to being busy with friend stuff, admittedly.

Saw wanted me killed, though.

He gets two things wrong here. First, we didn't have ITAs on Day 1 and then secondly, he didn't shoot on D2. You don't just forget whether or not you've shot someone during the game, especially in Zubz case when he wasn't even used the ITA once.

Thanks, guys!

Anyway, not feeling too good about us losing so many pro-town players. I’m just going to give up this Blarg thing, vote BC, & hope something comes to me at work today.

Vote: Briefs_Cat

Granted he was at work but he just parks his vote on Briefs and then never moves it. That was his last post of the day and didn't mention the fact that it was a mislynch at any point today.

And finally

So... it’s looking grim about Inlude being a Scum PR, right?

This one speaks for itself.

I think there's scum between the two people who haven't use an ITA, Zubz and Oreo and in this case, I think it's Zubz. He keeps going after people and whenever they flip, he just forgets about them and moves onto the next person. He votes with no reasoning and piggybacks off whatever other people have been saying.

Vote: zubz

Extreme is another contender right now but I'm not sure what to make of him. His play feels sloppy and he's had weird posts like a preemptive celebration for Natiko but right now, Zubz looks worse to me.
 

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Oh, Extreme claimed while I was writing that. Not sure what to make of the reasoning for claiming.
 
I would vote for LuxCommander, but it seems that Zubz is even more suspicious. Lux at leat chimed in every now and then was more consistent. Zubz seems to be just ignoring what he posts.

VOTE: Zubz
 
I'm back, and will update those lists with the new flips, and then catch up.

Thanks for getting LP. I can't even pretend to be mad at him anymore.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
I seriously can't believe that you're still pushing for that 100% ITA theory.

So what? I wasn't actively pushing for her to die. There were more pressing matters to attend to. Like I don't know, people shooting confirmed towns?!?

I literally said that I couldn't decide.
I forgot it because of the other pressing issues.

Over 3 days ago. When there were dozens of suspects. And there were active scum hunts.

Literally didn't know how they worked.

If I were Mafia, I wouldn't even have posted somethinf stupid like that.

Kalor and Lone Prodigy are good suspects since they shot a confirmed townie. Kalor in particular, because it was stupidly impulsive.

I though that her disagreing and voting for Gorlak was stupid because of all the ffort Gorlak was doing. I didn't scumread her, but like you said I wasn't advoacting for her towness either.
So what changed here to make kalor not a good suspect and Instead shot lux and Zubz up the list?
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Well, if you think I'm bandwagonning, I can say that it's super weird how he has never been in an ITA session. It's like he's avoiding it.
Man if you’re town, hell even if scum, you got to learn to just read your post over before hitting post. What does the first half of the first sentence add to this post?
 
So what changed here to make kalor not a good suspect and Instead shot lux and Zubz up the list?
Because maybe LP was just bandwagonning to make Kalor suspicious. He's still suspicous for shooting a confimed townie. It's just thst Kalor also made a good point with his posts.
Man if you’re town, hell even if scum, you got to learn to just read your post over before hitting post. What does the first half of the first sentence add to this post?
It's a question?
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
So how’s everyone doing today? I feel like we never talk any more

Has blarg rentered his dark slumber?
 
I didn’t get frustration from his posts per say, but I find that a personal scum tell from Kalor is that he gets flustered when defending himself at scum. He’s much more cautious and disinterested at playing defense when town. And I’m getting a bit of that here.
Kalor feels incredibly like town!Kalor today. This is the ultimate test to my ability to read him.

Then I would have accepted the consequences and moved on. Blarg shot at an essentially confirmed roleblocker and we don't see him in this situation. It was a action that I didn't think through and I'll live with what comes with it.
Those votes really piled up overnight. Although it's one less since Swamped is dead. I'm perfectly fine with people voting for me but I don't like the lack of reasoning from oreo and zubz. Also the two people who have never used an ITA.
 
I seriously can't believe that you're still pushing for that 100% ITA theory.
You best believe it. I don't have any strong reasons to disregard that theory at this moment.

So what? I wasn't actively pushing for her to die. There were more pressing matters to attend to. Like I don't know, people shooting confirmed towns?!?
How is this relevant? You criticized the shot at Swamped by saying you believed she was town, but you'd never mentioned townreading her before that, and in fact you had put her in your scum list the last time you did mention her.

I literally said that I couldn't decide.
I forgot it because of the other pressing issues.
I don't believe you. At all. A shot against you is a shot against you. That should be at the forefront of your thoughts under any circumstances. Especially when you're actively commenting on the shots that had just happened.

If I were Mafia, I wouldn't even have posted somethinf stupid like that.
Did I say that he was mafia though?

Geno being mafia wouldn't fit in with what he's doing. He's doing stupid things, which i doubt he would do if he were mafia.
Ah, my favorite type of argument. The "scum wouldn't be that dumb" line.
 
I'm not claiming till I see proper justifications.

Since Geno is clamoring for it, I'm just gonna claim.

I'm just vanilla.
It's been pointed out before, but the progression from "Nuh-uh I'm not gonna claim" to "Oh I'm just vanilla" feels very unnatural.

I would vote for LuxCommander, but it seems that Zubz is even more suspicious. Lux at leat chimed in every now and then was more consistent. Zubz seems to be just ignoring what he posts.

VOTE: Zubz
What's your case against Lux?
 
I'm back! And I'm ready to vote. This gone goes out to Kalor, for your desire to hit a strong town contender

Vote: Kalor

I was wrong about Swamped, though :< Makes me start doubting going after quieter players right now..

VOTE: Kalor

ITA has not been ending well for us, but I’ll try to get up for it.
These two threw shade and votes at Kalor for the shot at Blarg while completely ignoring LP, and then didn't show up to do the dirty work when they had the chance to shoot Kalor.

At least one of you is scum.
 
Will do ISOs on oreomunsta and Zubz since I realized I have no formed opinion on both of them.

oreomunsta ISO

Day 1


The true hero shows up on the scene! It's oreo, dressed as the almighty Android!!

No lynch on D1 is still a stupid idea to me. Why give scum such an uncontested first kill?

Also, while I do find Cool's opening move weird, I don't think that makes him a good lynch target. If it's Marvel, there's no way a Deadpool character wasn't thought up of, and I could see a Deadpool-esque role act in a miller role, and desire to be lynched quickly.



I've gone down this rabbit hole with monkey before, and it didn't end up good for town since she acted shady, but was still a gooder. To lynch a monkey, or not lynch a monkey? She's playing as I've seen her play town before, but she caused a lot of wifom grief for town in the late game.

I'd like to lynch someone who seems like they're playing it safe, but it's hard to say who until later in the day

Talking about some sort of meta town isn't gonna go anywhere, lol. This is an entirely different kind of game from the get go. It's not the new mechanics that make me say that, it's the number of people.

Worrying about how town used to be isn't going to help when things ramp up and there's too much to follow or track.

Where is that Jurassic Park glass of water gif when you need it? D:

Hmm... okay, that event was a shitshow, but after it, I'm leaning towards two options.

Vere seems to have thrown that event and made a lot of losers out of the players in it. I'm still not grasping all of the implications from that event, but I'll get back to it.

I'd be more interested in pursuing one of the players that lurked and hopped into the event out of the blue. It's a little rich coming from someone like me, who's also a low-poster, but it'd be an odd coincidence to suddenly just have an event come up the first time you check the thread :D

Vote: Rynam

... I'm hoping I did the vote right. I kept fucking it up in sneakers mafia ><

So, our options, then, are lynch melonrabbit, lynch Splinter, or no lynch on either. A tie will lead to no lynch, but that's not really a decision, so much as a circumstance

Vote: Splinter

I like melon more so far due to higher activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Truth be told, I'm not really feeling a strong reason to go for either. Good job Thanos for not making it easy on us.

Giving my post a bump for those who are jumping back in while I go to sleep. Night! o/

His most active phase. Is against no lynch in his opening post, which gives him some townie points considering the flips in this game. Only votes later for Rynam after he shows up just to join on the event, while admitting that it's a bit hypocritical considering he's also a low activity player.

Moves that vote for Splinter during the Thunderdome, basing his vote on activity again. Doesn't come back for D1.8 lynch.

Day 2

This may be my first game where town pulled a scum lynch off the bat - that's Mahvel, baby!!

I have a suspicion that we saw as many deaths over the night as there are scummies left. It could very well be that scum do not have to come to a consensus in this game. If there were about 5 at the beginning, then giving them each a NK is a great way to balance a lower scum ratio in this game. The nice part is that this is somewhat testable... if we keep seeing high numbers of NK's, then that's strong support for my theory. It'd be unlikely for scum to not go for the NK's over a concern that I may be right.

Thoughts?

Yeah, pretty much. A scum team would have to be pretty dumb to not use multiple NK's just to disprove what I'm saying, so I do predict a constant multiple amount of NK's.

It's hard for me to predict role effects, but I think the multiple NK angle might give us something to work with. If I'm wrong, that'd be a happy error for town, since hopefully less NK's :]

So what would you take factional to mean? To me, it just means from the mafia faction. Is it because it only says kill, as in singular, that makes you think consensus still applies?

Hmm fair enough points. I'm gonna pocket my theory, though, and see what happens over the next few nights.

Also, hi hi buddy monkey! \o/ We haven't tried to lynch each other in forever. Really should make the time to catch up and accuse each other of scumminess

All his contributions this phase were mechanics speculation about the number of kills, which turned out to be wrong later. Monkey comments that she found this scummy, but that she also knows that oreo likes to talk about mechanics.

Day 3

Hey everyone! I'm sorry I haven't been very active at all the past few days. Will do my best to catch up over the last few pages to see what's up.

I'm actually surprised I haven't been lynched due to low activity :/

Yoshi is one of my Smash mains ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm trying to find the results of N2, to see if my multi-mafia NK theory held up

Just found the N2 results. Looks like I'm wrong about the mafia multi-kill theory :( Salva's Town Compulsory Hider role sounded hilarious, though.

This game is chaos. I have a fuggin physics degree, and this shit is harder to keep up with lol


Some fluff and a follow up on his D2 theory about the night kills.

Okie doke, I just read through some of the last few pages, and my most pressing thought is that ITA's look hella fun :( I'll be asleep during the next one, unfortunately.

I'd give Natiko a pretty easy pass for now for their call on Include.

Scum leans for now are @Kalor (for hom3's sins) and @CoolestSpot for their vote on Natiko that seems wishy washy.

Finally posts some reads. His read on Kalor is pretty safe since it's based on hom3's shot at Kawl after his green check, while his Coolest one is more interesting but we got no follow up thus far.

I'm about to turn in for the night, but will be more active in my free time so no more days-long gaps of inactivity from me :)...

Unless I get knocked out during the ITA. GL town :/

Day 4

What was the deal with AlexEm at the end of the last day phase? Don't understand much about what happened there apart from him not doing well to some pressure questions (?)

Sounds good, and thanks monkey for that. Odd how the vote didn't change off him after he voted himself, but I didn't check to see how much more time was left in that day

Fair enough. I'll concede, though, that it's way easier for me to make these statements in hindsight than it would have been if I was in that day end mess :D



If Blarg is indeed town, he's a great distraction to keep town from scumhunting

Takes a bit of time catching up with the thread and throws a bit of shade into Blarg, after decelerating him during N3. Only post directed towards Blarg.

JOIN

My first one!! :D

Thanos's fist, be nice to Thanos. You need him, and he needs you.

You are like two parts of a whole

Damn, events are the best thing ever :]

I try to go on in my spare time, but that's only for a few hours in the evening. I don't know how some players can almost go all day and keep up with the chat :[

Mafia is basically a second job lol. One in which we don't get paid for, and if we're underperforming, we die o_____o

I, for one, was down with the pick

Event praise and some cool fluff.

True that. I've got no excuses, so gonna try to amend that :]

As per an earlier message of yours, I think using ITA's on the other low-posters sounds like an alright idea. The ITA's are low probability, whereas lynches are more valuable if used on more active players

Agrees that ITAs should be used on more low activity posters, but never uses them.

Happy birthday Zubz! Despite being a grandpa, you look amazing. Those Son family genes are nuts

At this moment, I'm still open to going for a low-activity player.... but I'm also open to Swamped or Sawneeks

Moreso Swamped, so before I lose the chance

Vote: Swamped

I don't get a good vibe from the way Swamped is playing right now. Brazil has made a good arguement for Swamped in earlier posts that I agree with.

As for you.... I actually goofed :D I thought it was you who laid down a drive-by vote on melonrabbit, but it was actually briefs_cat. Sorry about that!

Restates that he wants to go for low activity players, but follows Brazil's read on Swamped and votes for her instead.

Day 5

Okay, confession time. I'm a decelarator.

I targeted you Blarg to test out your claim back at N3. Decelerating just delays stuff by a day.

Blarg isn't lying, and Geno should have gotten his vest now

After N1 I theorized that scum could have multi-NK abilities... D2 put a halt on my theory, but now I'm wondering if I was half-right, and that the multi-NK comes into play on odd nights. By that logic, we may be in trouble tonight :<

Oh shit, hang on, you might be right :S Okay, I delayed Blarg's action on N3. So whoever should have received that gift should have received it today... Yeah.... Does that make me the reason that Zeke died? T~T

Brazil noted this on the last page.... So what's up with this?

I've only used the ability once on Blarg on N3. With the vast variety of roles in the game, I don't want to constantly risk blocking town. Blarg was suspicious enough to me to risk it that one time

*delaying, not blocking, I mean

Right. I don't think my power to delay is that great for investigating. It takes too long to get a result, and case in point, I might have had a big hand in some town players' deaths :<

Role claims that can delay an action by one day. Gets confused with what action he actually delayed after targeting Blarg during N3. Discovers that he apparently delayed the vest Ezekel got.

I'm back! And I'm ready to vote. This gone goes out to Kalor, for your desire to hit a strong town contender

Vote: Kalor

I was wrong about Swamped, though :< Makes me start doubting going after quieter players right now..

Votes for Kalor for his ITA shot and apologizes for pushing for Swamped.


Conclusion: Much more absent from the game that I remembered. Not a lot to go on at all and I think even LP managed to put more content into the game than he did. All most days he pushed for low activity players, adding that ITA should be used against them if possible, despite being one of them himself and never following it through since he never shot or really voted for one of them.

What really got into my mind now is that, on an initial read, I read his role claim as a townie move since it's a pretty NAI role and he came out with him unprovoked. But now I realized that his confusion on what he actually delayed could have been a distraction from the fact that he most lilkely played a part at killing Ezekel by delaying Blarg's vest. After all, as a scum role, delaying Blarg is a great idea; lessens the chance of hitting protection at Night and Blarg has also been open about his targets, so Scum can then find out which player will be defended the following Night. With the Day Kill scum have available, they could also confirm the kill on that player by targeting him during the day.

I think it's possible that scum! oreo got afraid of getting found out, maybe by LuxCommander, and decided to outright claim that.

Gotta add that I can't really see scum fake claiming a role like that but not coming up with D1 and D2 targets. I mean, that would be a really bold move considering he could just name some vanillas or dead players in a game this big.
 
I don't think we should let either of you off, but at least you're here to actually discuss things.

Attempt #16325: Lone_Prodigy
This is a good look - especially when you directly address being comfortable with giving Kalor more leeway.

Does it make sense for a mafia member to kill another mafia because said mafia looked scummy af?
Fuck yeah it does. Both in the start when they had a million companions and nothing to lose, and now that we're close to endgame and they are stretched so thin that they, once again, have nothing to lose.

I don't think that's what happened with Polter, though.

I fell asleep at my phone...
I actually believe you. It's totally NAI, though.
 
When I think about them, the action that makes me lean town is lying about having information. I can't see a scenario where scum were so desperate to find out why Sawneeks didn't die that they would draw attention to themselves like that.
The coincidence is astounding, however. It was probably the one time during the entire game (that we know of) that scum would've had a compelling reason to push for a townie claim.
 
For the people who want to lynch me, we did have two shots against Blarg. Is mine really more suspect than LPs? At least I was around to talk about it afterward while LP ghosted and hadn't came back.

Damn this post... would scum! Kalor throw shade at his doctor so blatantly?

When I think about them, the action that makes me lean town is lying about having information. I can't see a scenario where scum were so desperate to find out why Sawneeks didn't die that they would draw attention to themselves like that.

Fits Geno's playstyle either way and he can do whatever the hell he wants at this point.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
Damn this post... would scum! Kalor throw shade at his doctor so blatantly?



Fits Geno's playstyle either way and he can do whatever the hell he wants at this point.
Yea unfortunately find myself agreeing with both points here
 
Now that you’re here Coolest, can you give me a reason why you shot at me earlier?


He who? I think this could apply to both sentences.

Scum would of let him bus them so he could be where he is now: commanding like hes best townie to town

Your attitude I don't trust, from my skimming seemed to be following common thought and playing it safe. When I get home ill compile your posts for better response.
 
super late reply but i was digging back in the day some
For one, we did have fewer kills last night while she was jailed, but also, did Necktochicken ever get to say what it was about her input in the jail thread that made him change his mind?

Maybe mafia wanted to day kill him before we were able to get much more information about that? Now we pretty much have to take Faircure at her word about what changed his mind.
there's these:
For more on why I did not kill faircure: I made it abundantly clear throughout that her fate was already decided, yet she gave reads and analysis throughout the night phase. With neeks gone and active conversation at a risk of cratering, this seemed too great a risk to both my power and town’s overall health.

Ultimately, I couldn’t pull the trigger because I thought I would be killing town for no gain at all.

I guess since the element of surprise is gone, I might as well reveal this.

I sent the kill command at the start of the night in jail thread. I later revoked the kill command. Faircure admitted something along the lines of “I wondered if you might be able to do that”. Honestly admitting that only further confirmed my gut feeling. A scum would probably not paint the additional target on themselves and just click their heels silently and move forward.

yeah, this is pretty much how it went down. when I got to the thread he had a post with the kill command and like a sentence. there wasn't any questions for me or anything, so I assumed that it was possible he could take it back but wouldn't because he seemed really convinced and hadn't even attempted to open discussion. I initiated talking by asking if he wanted my input on anything that had happened because he was going to be seeing my flip soon anyways.
last one is from me but i posted it while he was alive and he didn't correct anything
 
I've read through Zeke's, Monkey's and Gorlak's almost-final thoughts, but unfortunately they're mostly focused on conflicts with players that have already flipped, like melon or Alexem.

Going through the list of players who are still alive, here's my breakdown with links to relevant posts explaining my reasoning:

People I'm comfortable with
rac
Ynnek7 - Maybe show up?
Blargonaut
LuxCommander - Maybe show up?
Poltergust 1
Kawl
Fandorin
Kalor 1

People I'm not comfortable with
Extreme Tactician 1 2 3
Zubz 1
oreomunsta 1
Geno 1

People I'm not comfortable with, but not as badly as the ones above
faircure 1
CoolestSpot - The shot at Fandorin puts him on this list. Last possibility I'm entertaining for scum in the Greed event.
 
On Geno, still: him wanting to drop the vest conflict with Blarg further irks me. He's usually champing at the bit for any chance to start a thunderdome, and I still feel very bad about that whole thing.

This could be the work of a third-party's scum power, yes... but we've flipped one more scum since that was first brought up, and his power wasn't it.

The same could be said for Coolest's case of the Groot.
 
We have 3 unknown roles in play.
1:Lone Stranger
2:Role that interfered between me and Blarg
3:I am Groot role.
If we lynch a scum and it's not one of the 3 I'm policy lynching Cspot. If anyone here is either of these 3 roles then claim right now.
 
There were two votes on LP at the time. Melon and Stan

I meant votes on you. I was saying that there was not nearly enough pressure on you to justify doing something so risky back in Day 4.

Although, the votes against Lone_Prodigy that day is another thing to consider. There weren't really enough votes on him for busing to be a good option.

With LP role revealed, scum could set use their ITA shots to apparently bus their fellow murderers without consequences, with the limitation that they needed to input the command the Night phase prior.

Analyzing the ITA phases with the flips we have though, we can't say for sure that scum managed to do that yet.


In Day 2 we had shots at the following scum: Splinter, Rynam, Verelios and Include.
Verelios and Splinter shots hit, so they were not protected. Polter shot at Rynam could be something, since 2 other townies (Stuart and Neck) shot at him first and he was a relatively easy target. Lux lone shot at Include doesn't seem much either.

In Day 3 we had shots at the following scum: Include, Natiko.
Include shot hit, so she wasn't protected. Stuart's red check at her was also a new development of the day so scum doubtfully expected that. We had Geno and Lone Stranger shot at Natiko, can't infer much from this.

In Day 4 we had shots at the following scum: Natiko and Lone Prodigy.
Natiko got hit and Lone Prodigy couldn't self protect.

And in Day 5 we had shots at Lone Prodigy, who again couldn't self protect either way.

I don't know how to update this, so we are missing the last two ITA phases and Swamped and Lone's flips.

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I already cleared this up with Sorian. Hits against people Lone_Prodigy protected would still register as hits, but they'd just not die. This unfortunately means that we can't look at the hits that people made because the only applicable case here is Zipped, who is town.

But, perhaps we can look at some misses against likely scum. Since they wouldn't be able to die via ITA, multiple scum can target one protected scum member and hit him with no consequences.
 
I'm still wondering about oreo's claim, and Fand does a pretty good analysis of it:

What really got into my mind now is that, on an initial read, I read his role claim as a townie move since it's a pretty NAI role and he came out with him unprovoked. But now I realized that his confusion on what he actually delayed could have been a distraction from the fact that he most lilkely played a part at killing Ezekel by delaying Blarg's vest. After all, as a scum role, delaying Blarg is a great idea; lessens the chance of hitting protection at Night and Blarg has also been open about his targets, so Scum can then find out which player will be defended the following Night. With the Day Kill scum have available, they could also confirm the kill on that player by targeting him during the day.

I think it's possible that scum! oreo got afraid of getting found out, maybe by LuxCommander, and decided to outright claim that.

Gotta add that I can't really see scum fake claiming a role like that but not coming up with D1 and D2 targets. I mean, that would be a really bold move considering he could just name some vanillas or dead players in a game this big.
I'm very conflicted about it. I agree with the last line, but at the same time, padding your fake claim with random vanilla townie names is the classic scum move that never works. Anyone can simply go back and find out that they hadn't mentioned that player before targeting them or something like that. It's way safer to just say you didn't target anyone - especially when you have a power that's clearly detrimental to town.

The fact is: oreo actively acted against town's best interests by delaying Blarg at that point, which could also explain why scum didn't bother killing Blarg that night (something that really bothered Monkey back then).

Even though oreo is at least being open with his info, I'm very 50/50 between them and Zubz.
 

Ynnek7

OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
super late reply but i was digging back in the day some

there's these:


last one is from me but i posted it while he was alive and he didn't correct anything

Thank you for bringing these up. I remembered him talking about how the fact you wanted to give your reads made him feel a bit more confident about you. I'm just not really sure that's indicative of alignment either way.

Going into the chat and seeing the kill command, but not being killed yet, I think anyone would attempt to talk things out.

Plus, while you both agree on how the event played out, but there's no details as to exactly what your reads or analysis were.
 
We have 3 unknown roles in play.
1:Lone Stranger
2:Role that interfered between me and Blarg
3:I am Groot role.
If we lynch a scum and it's not one of the 3 I'm policy lynching Cspot. If anyone here is either of these 3 roles then claim right now.
Hm, the Lone Stranger is rac's. You know that.
 

Ynnek7

OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
In regards to the "I Am Groot" curse. Maybe I'm wrong, but even with how crazy this game has gotten it just seems a bit much to be real. And if it were real, I think there were better targets at the time to hit with a curse than him.
 
In regards to the "I Am Groot" curse. Maybe I'm wrong, but even with how crazy this game has gotten it just seems a bit much to be real. And if it were real, I think there were better targets at the time to hit with a curse than him.
I think I agree, like I said, I want that role to flip as next scum or we lynch Cspot.
 

Ynnek7

OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
In regards to the "I Am Groot" curse. Maybe I'm wrong, but even with how crazy this game has gotten it just seems a bit much to be real. And if it were real, I think there were better targets at the time to hit with a curse than him.

Yup. I'm pretty sure he said something to that effect at the end of day 3, back when everyone thought Blarg was the one who made the Lone Stranger.

He's also made a few posts throughout complaining about it being killed while in jail and not being able to talk in the jail thread.
 
Scum would of let him bus them so he could be where he is now: commanding like hes best townie to town
At the least the Apollo kill couldn't have been that premeditated, scum chat was inaccessible during the event.

Thinking about Extreme, I think it might be notable that his activity was way down on day one for whatever reason? Like he had 6 posts or something compared to the 40 he started averaging later. I'm really not sure what to think about his general sloppiness, but the being inconsistent on reads looks scummy to me. Also Lux is such a strange choice for a scumread, he's a proven listener/tracker/whatever his role is at the least.

I do feel better about Kalor in light of the LP stuff. Just don't think scum would group up and take the same shot, and him shooting LP back a bit seems townie. Also brought up earlier in the phase when we hadn't had a daykill that he could've been doing them since he's roleblocked, but since the daykill has shown up he isn't that role. Poltergust also feels better to me for shooting LP, and Fandorin was already a town read but his miss cements that a little more.

Thank you for bringing these up. I remembered him talking about how the fact you wanted to give your reads made him feel a bit more confident about you. I'm just not really sure that's indicative of alignment either way.

Going into the chat and seeing the kill command, but not being killed yet, I think anyone would attempt to talk things out.

Plus, while you both agree on how the event played out, but there's no details as to exactly what your reads or analysis were.
I was definitely under the assumption that I was going to die though and he wasn't going to be convinced otherwise, he had talked in the thread in eod about how he was going to kill someone that night since this was likely the last time for him to use his power. And by compliant I think he was referencing that I didn't try to talk him out of killing me really, we just started talking about the game.

We specifically talked back and forth a bit about Blade's vig kills and claim, Geno and Sawneeks, Sawneek's death, neutrals, daykills. But you're right in that this is all just my word now.
 
OK, let's talk about EoD. So at this point we have two lynch candidates (three if you count Kalor, but I really don't agree with lynching him today) between Zubz and Extreme Tactician. Does anyone feel strongly about voting for one over the other now? I'm fine with either, but I think it's better to try to commit to a vote early rather than 10 minutes before the deadline.
 
Scum would of let him bus them so he could be where he is now: commanding like hes best townie to town

Your attitude I don't trust, from my skimming seemed to be following common thought and playing it safe. When I get home ill compile your posts for better response.

Oh, ok. You meant Geno then. I don't think the entire scum team would submit to a plan this crazy just like that.

So you don't have any particular reasoning for shooting me? Thought you'd at least mention my push against your I AM GROOT bullshit considering your love for confrontational fluff.
 

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
OK, let's talk about EoD. So at this point we have two lynch candidates (three if you count Kalor, but I really don't agree with lynching him today) between Zubz and Extreme Tactician. Does anyone feel strongly about voting for one over the other now? I'm fine with either, but I think it's better to try to commit to a vote early rather than 10 minutes before the deadline.

I think both of them could be scum but I'd rather see Zubz lynched today. Extremes play has been messy and inconsistent but I could at least see him being town. Zubz has just been appearing and disappearing like LP was and just floats between whatever lynches are popular at the time.
 

Kawl

Owner of the Gun Show
OK, let's talk about EoD. So at this point we have two lynch candidates (three if you count Kalor, but I really don't agree with lynching him today) between Zubz and Extreme Tactician. Does anyone feel strongly about voting for one over the other now? I'm fine with either, but I think it's better to try to commit to a vote early rather than 10 minutes before the deadline.
Two lynch candidates is fine and dandy in my book. End of day squirming is good for town overall in my opinion let it happen
 
I meant votes on you. I was saying that there was not nearly enough pressure on you to justify doing something so risky back in Day 4.

Although, the votes against Lone_Prodigy that day is another thing to consider. There weren't really enough votes on him for busing to be a good option.



I already cleared this up with Sorian. Hits against people Lone_Prodigy protected would still register as hits, but they'd just not die. This unfortunately means that we can't look at the hits that people made because the only applicable case here is Zipped, who is town.

But, perhaps we can look at some misses against likely scum. Since they wouldn't be able to die via ITA, multiple scum can target one protected scum member and hit him with no consequences.
On the Lone_Prodigy topic, yeah Sorian said that his role wouldn't prevent the hits from hitting but would instead protect that person. But the only ITA that hit and didn't kill that target was Zipped and he has already flipped dead with his BP. With that we can just work on the basis that all shots that hit were in unprotected by scum players.

Anyway, the point is exactly the misses against flipped scum in other days. We don't have much to go with the available flips though.
 
Two lynch candidates is fine and dandy in my book. End of day squirming is good for town overall in my opinion let it happen
I just want to avoid another rushed vote like it was for briefs_cat and Alexem.

That said, considering the fact that I think both players are scummy, I guess it wouldn't be as bad.
 
The only reason I could think for a post restriction power to target Coolest specifically is if they didn't want people to believe him maybe. He's probably who people who believe to least to have genuinely been hit by something like that due to his playstyle.

Also, I think I'm preferring zubz over extreme rn? Both have stuff that sticks out as scummy to me but I have this niggling doubt that maybe extreme's general sloppiness and strange posts have just been due to being town that doesn't have the best grasp of the game. Zubz has just been making super easy votes and rereading him back a little shows that most of his suspicions have been against players that flipped town or I strongly read town. Plus the general coasting.

vote: zubz
 
OK, let's talk about EoD. So at this point we have two lynch candidates (three if you count Kalor, but I really don't agree with lynching him today) between Zubz and Extreme Tactician. Does anyone feel strongly about voting for one over the other now? I'm fine with either, but I think it's better to try to commit to a vote early rather than 10 minutes before the deadline.
I'm firmly at the Extreme lynch. I want to do a Zubz ISO before EoD to get a feel on him but it's kinda of a hassle right now.
 
Bro it's a 50 player game and the only post with all the role claims in it didn't mention it. Give me a break.
Just found it funny considering how much rac has openly talked about it. We even had a retread of it after Neck finally claimed Jailer and explained why he executed the Lone Stranger.
 
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