Costume Party |OT| The Mafia Mash

[Barney]

I have a hard time envisioning a town Spidey right now but I would look back at why I thought he was scum and how other people reacted, or did not, to those posts and Banana's in particular. I also don't see me living past today. It's dumb, but you might as well kill me or I'll just be a wagon again tomorrow.

Would you vote prisoner today?

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

There is a difference between power wolfing to protect your team and throwing your spaghetti in the air and running around in a panic. Scum very seldom does the latter. When they do the former, it doesn't look like what happened d1. At all.

If you had been scum how would you have played D1?

 

[Cereal Killer]

That is all I have from Spider, sadly, I'll be lying if I find anything else about spidy particularly scummy.

If CK flips town I think Prisoner is probably scum. I don't see them working together.

I also find this flawed because it makes no space for a potential town Prisoner, which is possible.

Since you're basing this on the idea of working together, it seems more logical to say "if CK flips scum, I think Prisoner is town. I don't see them working together." But you said if I flip town - you don't think Prisoner is town? Why? Town doesn't work together (lol big truth sometimes), town just is. Town often clashes with town.

Can you explain this?

 

[Bob Ross]

I don't agree with shooting CK in the final hour, or prisoner for that matter, shoot off wagon so we don't scramble at last minutes like D1.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Would you vote prisoner today?

Potentially, because Drac singled out Prisoner as the one they had no read on and though Prisoner was against the Drac vote and said Drac was an easy target, that was where they chose to self-pres. It felt like potential TMI. Somewhat like your post I just asked about, so I hope you answer.

But this post from Drac has w/w potential with Prisoner by virtue of there being nothing there at all to follow:

Alright, hey there. My bad about the sporadic activity, finally have a few hours to myself.

Between Zombie, Bob, and Prisoner I'm leaning towards Zombie being on the town end. His posts look the most insightful and it looks like he's more genuine in trying to ascertain people's intentions. I agree with the vast majority of the insights he's dropped, and melding like that is always a good sign. The progression towards his vote on me today looks town-natural, I'm not surprised that his wagon has been the one to gain traction the easiest. I think the wagons being on him and I at the moment is town playing right into scum's hands.

My personal vote?

VOTE: Bob Ross

It looks like Bob has spent the day using my quote unquote "slip" as cover fire to distract the thread from the fact that he's having serious problems engaging with the game. When situations like this happen early on in the game, it's common for scum to latch on like flies to fly paper, and I think that all of the attention on me fits that bill. For Bob having 31 posts, there's very little to show from it, and fmpov it's pretty much all surface level engagement. (if I could iso his posts I could do a deep dive and double check this but I'm still unaware how to do this on OM.) There was also a ton of heat on Bob early but votes never came from it which strikes me as some soft bussing going on somewhere.

Prisoner, I'm more ambivalent on. A lot of their comments don't necessarily strike me as town POV so I wouldn't be sad if they died either.

Also unrelated to the top three wagons I'm pretty sure Banana would be the second scum that has been opportunistically on me today. All of their analyses of my posts strike me as completely bad faith.

Echo this sentiment. Rey's analysis has been mostly kind of out-of-the-box in a way that'd be hard to fake for scum. Rey finding Zombie as a townread also makes me lean towards trusting them more. Probably my strongest townread.

This honestly seems like it came out of nowhere in the phase? Why? Can you make a succinct case?

 

[Barney]

I also find this flawed because it makes no space for a potential town Prisoner, which is possible.

Since you're basing this on the idea of working together, it seems more logical to say "if CK flips scum, I think Prisoner is town. I don't see them working together." But you said if I flip town - you don't think Prisoner is town? Why? Town doesn't work together (lol big truth sometimes), town just is. Town often clashes with town.

Can you explain this?

You voted prisoner over zombie. If you are scum, you were trying to save dracula and lunching prisoner insead, and in that case prisoner is probably town.

But if you are town, then that means your vote on prisoner was pure, and would explain why other players voted zombie instead over prisoner who had a good amount of votes at the time. So there is a good chance prisoner was scum, it was a scum(Drac) vs scum(prisoner) and the zombie train was an attempt to save both.

 

[Cereal Killer]

If you had been scum how would you have played D1?

I don't understand the point of this question because if I was scum I would just spin the best story possible here, but as town I can only really offer a shrug. I don't know who my teammates are beyond Drac or what powers they have. It's situational. Generally I would just try to spread some shade around on weak players/places. Probably would have challenged people who thought Drac was a slip but not Rey's bus statement, as dumb as that would be, just to discuss consistency and muddle the discussions but beyond that, I have no idea what my approach would have been here.

What do you even hope to get out of a question like that? What helps you develop a read? I'm really curious here.

 

[Bob Ross]

I don't agree with shooting CK in the final hour, or prisoner for that matter, shoot off wagon so we don't scramble at last minutes like D1.

Idk why I said prisoner here, I meant SM

 

[Cereal Killer]

You voted prisoner over zombie. If you are scum, you were trying to save dracula and lunching prisoner insead, and in that case prisoner is probably town.

But if you are town, then that means your vote on prisoner was pure, and would explain why other players voted zombie instead over prisoner who had a good amount of votes at the time. So there is a good chance prisoner was scum, it was a scum(Drac) vs scum(prisoner) and the zombie train was an attempt to save both.

There is equal chance that Prisoner is town using only MY vote as a rubric and that there were multiple counterwagons because it's day one and we were all uncertain.

Mathematically, there is little chance that Prisoner was scum.
In terms of MY vote, I had a read on Drac and not a big read on Prisoner so I chose to vote for someone who had made little impression on me. That wasn't a "pure" vote. You're assuming information that didn't exist. You're even assuming a read that didn't exist.

You're reading deep into this to call Prisoner scum if I flip town. Why? Your logic doesn't bear out. You're not even considering the angles - and there are many - from which Prisoner could have just been weak town there. Most of my considerations on Prisoner come from today, from hindsight knowledge of Drac, not from what I knew or didn't know yesterday. You're either trying to pull something here or you're conflating the two.

 

[Baby]

Well, like I said before. Between CK and Spider-man, I'd rather see Spider-man flip. And I don't think we're really seeing much happen off those 2 wagons, so I'll just scoot here.

Vote: Spider-Man

 

[Cereal Killer]

Zombie I still can't really wrap my head around, even if I tried to vote him last day, I don't know if scum was trying to protect him. If CK flips scum I think there is a chance zombie is scum too, due to CK switching to prisoner last second.

Have you actually read any of Zombie's posts, looked at his processes, etc, or are you basing this solely on votes?

 

[Barney]

There is equal chance that Prisoner is town using only MY vote as a rubric and that there were multiple counterwagons because it's day one and we were all uncertain.

Mathematically, there is little chance that Prisoner was scum.
In terms of MY vote, I had a read on Drac and not a big read on Prisoner so I chose to vote for someone who had made little impression on me. That wasn't a "pure" vote. You're assuming information that didn't exist. You're even assuming a read that didn't exist.

You're reading deep into this to call Prisoner scum if I flip town. Why? Your logic doesn't bear out. You're not even considering the angles - and there are many - from which Prisoner could have just been weak town there. Most of my considerations on Prisoner come from today, from hindsight knowledge of Drac, not from what I knew or didn't know yesterday. You're either trying to pull something here or you're conflating the two.

I think you are trying too hard, specially since I clearly use words like "good chance" and "possibly". This has been happening for a while but your answers to me feel like attempts at "Gotcha" moments.

My vote is not on Prisoner right now, it's on you. This should tell you where I think the likely scum is.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Don't really have much to say for the first three points, except that I didn't vote Zombie because I didn't like the players who had voted him (I said this). As for the last point, it's hard to describe but from my perspective it felt like CK was both trying to pocket me but also trying to set me up as a vote for the next day phase. This dichotomy just felt really odd, and to me set off my spidey-senses.

Did you break this down anywhere, @Spider-Man? Like this examples? I'm curious what you base this on.

 

[Prisoner]

You voted prisoner over zombie. If you are scum, you were trying to save dracula and lunching prisoner insead, and in that case prisoner is probably town.

But if you are town, then that means your vote on prisoner was pure, and would explain why other players voted zombie instead over prisoner who had a good amount of votes at the time. So there is a good chance prisoner was scum, it was a scum(Drac) vs scum(prisoner) and the zombie train was an attempt to save both.

Then why wouldn't I vote Zombie and save us both?

 

[Cereal Killer]

I think you are trying too hard, specially since I clearly use words like "good chance" and "possibly". This has been happening for a while but your answers to me feel like attempts at "Gotcha" moments.

My vote is not on Prisoner right now, it's on you. This should tell you where I think the likely scum is.

No, I'm asking you straight out why you're not considering a Prisoner town here and why you seem to only be going off votes and flips. I would like to know your reasoning for looking at things in such an either/or fashion and not outside that at all.

 

[Barney]

Have you actually read any of Zombie's posts, looked at his processes, etc, or are you basing this solely on votes?

Votes, I don't like reading that much because I am easily influenced. It's harder for votes to lie, specially in a last second desperate struggle.

What I get from votes is that Witch is always following other people wagons, but rarely leading them or staying on them. You had your vote parked on zombie but for some reason decide to switch at the last minute. And prisoner self-preserved but that vote was still on a scum player, Prisoner could have tried zombie instead. I can speculate about the reasons, but the votes are there.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I don't understand the point of this question because if I was scum I would just spin the best story possible here, but as town I can only really offer a shrug. I don't know who my teammates are beyond Drac or what powers they have. It's situational. Generally I would just try to spread some shade around on weak players/places. Probably would have challenged people who thought Drac was a slip but not Rey's bus statement, as dumb as that would be, just to discuss consistency and muddle the discussions but beyond that, I have no idea what my approach would have been here.

What do you even hope to get out of a question like that? What helps you develop a read? I'm really curious here.

I’m just curious. Everything a mafia player says is faked so it’s not like it’s any different to reads etc.

 

[Bob Ross]

I don't like reading that much because I am easily influenced.

Bruh.

 

[Barney]

Then why wouldn't I vote Zombie and save us both?

That is exactly why I'm voting CK over you. You still got your vote on Drak, even if it was self preservation. There is a chance that the zombie vote was to fast for you to risk changing and getting yourself lunched, specially if scum decided to sacrifice drak, but still try to get a wagon on someone else going without getting all of the team exposed.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Votes, I don't like reading that much because I am easily influenced. It's harder for votes to lie, specially in a last second desperate struggle.

What I get from votes is that Witch is always following other people wagons, but rarely leading them or staying on them. You had your vote parked on zombie but for some reason decide to switch at the last minute. And prisoner self-preserved but that vote was still on a scum player, Prisoner could have tried zombie instead. I can speculate about the reasons, but the votes are there.

 

[Barack Obama]

Idk why I said prisoner here, I meant SM

Well the mad scamble worked last time ;p and there's one less scum to try to manipulate things this time round

 

[Barney]

I really hate that gif, reminds me of school.

 

[Cereal Killer]

I’m just curious. Everything a mafia player says is faked so it’s not like it’s any different to reads etc.

Sure, it's just... not really a question I can answer other than in broad "this is how I play" strokes.

 

[Natiko]

Vote Count:

Cereal Killer - 6
Bob Ross - Post #758
Spider-Man - Post #778
Minecraft Steve - Post #884
Witch - Post #886 Post #917
Kool-Aid Man - Post #1,116
Barney - Post #1,138
Rey - Post #1,189

Spider-Man - 5
Cereal Killer - Post #787 Post #862
Zombie - Post #821
Cereal Killer - Post #1,082
Witch - Post #1,105
Banana - Post #1,110
Baby - Post #1,210

Barney - 1
Baby - Post #1,139 Post #1,210
Prisoner - Post #1,179

Daenerys Targaryen - 1
Baby - Post #786 Post #1,139
Cinderella - Post #1,026

Prisoner - 1
Barack Obama - Post #1,168

Barack Obama - 0
Jack Sparrow - Post #979 Post #1,134

Jack Sparrow - 0
Cereal Killer - Post #862 Post #1,082

Rey - 0
Kool-Aid Man - Post #870 Post #1,116

 

[Barney]

Bruh.

To make it clear, I usually like to read after a flip is made, because only then motivations are easier to grasp.

 

[Cereal Killer]

I really hate that gif, reminds me of school.

 

[Barney]

Well for someone who really wanted me to answer, now you are acting like my answers are not valid.

That was your plan? Just take any answer and try and make me look dumb with the most hotlinked images on ERA?

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Votes, I don't like reading that much because I am easily influenced. It's harder for votes to lie, specially in a last second desperate struggle.

What I get from votes is that Witch is always following other people wagons, but rarely leading them or staying on them. You had your vote parked on zombie but for some reason decide to switch at the last minute. And prisoner self-preserved but that vote was still on a scum player, Prisoner could have tried zombie instead. I can speculate about the reasons, but the votes are there.

Witch were technically first in the second round of Zombie voting tho initiated by my moaning I guess.

 

[Bob Ross]

Well the mad scamble worked last time ;p and there's one less scum to try to manipulate things this time round

It's definitely risky, it only worked last time because KM jumped in last second and Dracula wasn't around.

 

[Cereal Killer]

My PIK for the day?

Protect - Bob Ross, similar reasons to Witch, but also a hunch
Investigate - Banana, I'm currently scum reading them as part of the team but want to make sure
Kill - (well CK obviously, its where my vote is) Prisoner. I still like them for scum team and I am confident

This was Minecraft Steve's last post so far this phase, almost a whole day ago, and prior to that it was largely sheeping others' opinions. Steve has had a very light presence over both days. It would be interesting to see them weigh in on recent discussions, particularly with regard to me and Prisoner, since they seem to hold the view that we could very much be scum together somehow.

 

[Barney]

Witch were technically first in the second round of Zombie voting tho initiated by my moaning I guess.

Pretty sure I quoted this back, but Witch seems to really be onboard when someone else is driving the train.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Well for someone who really wanted me to answer, now you are acting like my answers are not valid.

That was your plan? Just take any answer and try and make me look dumb with the most hotlinked images on ERA?

I promise I am giving your posts the precise amount of consideration they deserve. Get at me when you do more than look at votes and make wild leaps of convenience that ignore other possibilities.

 

[Spider-Man]

Did you break this down anywhere, @Spider-Man? Like this examples? I'm curious what you base this on.

These posts feel like you're trying to be friendly:

you must be investigating people!! burn the spider

Yeah, but it's a prod vote and you said something so I feel better but I don't feel like unvoting so I'm gonna sit there for a while. I want to ask you for a PIK though

your list is even more indecisive than mine was :-P

And this one felt like you're hedging. Setting me up for a vote the next day phase, like you could point to your post and pretend to be consistent in your reads on D2.

scummy post tbh and while I"m here I don't like your list or the fact you were gone for an hour but posted again immediately when prodded but I doubt anyone is up for your wagon today

All these posts just felt off to me.

 

[Barney]

I promise I am giving your posts the precise amount of consideration they deserve. Get at me when you do more than look at votes and make wild leaps of convenience that ignore other possibilities.

I'm having serious Déjà vu right now.

So what you are saying is you are sure you and Prisoner are both town, is that it?

 

[Banana]

To make it clear, I usually like to read after a flip is made, because only then motivations are easier to grasp.

You can do both you know.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Pretty sure I quoted this back, but Witch seems to really be onboard when someone else is driving the train.

Oh, that’s right, found it. Slightly leading it I guess since voting is stronger than statement.

 

[Spider-Man]

Votes, I don't like reading that much because I am easily influenced. It's harder for votes to lie, specially in a last second desperate struggle.

What I get from votes is that Witch is always following other people wagons, but rarely leading them or staying on them. You had your vote parked on zombie but for some reason decide to switch at the last minute. And prisoner self-preserved but that vote was still on a scum player, Prisoner could have tried zombie instead. I can speculate about the reasons, but the votes are there.

I think that's a good observation about witch. I feel like he also likes checking the temperature of the room before putting a vote down. As scum, it's hard to think through the eyes of town so it's helpful to get townies reads.

 

[Barney]

You can do both you know.

I can but I'm kinda bad at it early in the game, I usually get better results this way.

 

[Baby]

I can but I'm kinda bad at it early in the game, I usually get better results this way.

Wait, so have you read the stuff people have been saying this day phase at all?

 

[Bob Ross]

I'm half convinced Barney has been trolling us all.

 

[Banana]

I'm half convinced Barney has been trolling us all.

Barney definitely seems to be playing their own game. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing or not (probably bad because it doesn't seem very town friendly even if he is town).

 

[Cereal Killer]

I'm having serious Déjà vu right now.

So what you are saying is you are sure you and Prisoner are both town, is that it?

No, the thing is, I'm not sure about anything. Which is why I think it's important to consider multiple scenarios. Including one in which we are both town.

But none of this answers your weird statement about town "working together."

 

[Cereal Killer]

Barney definitely seems to be playing their own game. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing or not (probably bad because it doesn't seem very town friendly even if he is town).

Possibly the neutral if there really is one?

 

[Cinderella]

I feel slightly worse about Spidey than CK, but I think if CK doesn't get lunched today they'll still be on the chopping block tomorrow because we've got some players deadset on lunching them so maybe it's best to see their flip. I'm still going to vote on Spidey first though.

vote: Spider-Man

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Barney definitely seems to be playing their own game. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing or not (probably bad because it doesn't seem very town friendly even if he is town).

How are you Banana? You seem to be leaning town on Cereal?

 

[Bob Ross]

Possibly the neutral if there really is one?

Wouldn't rule out KM as neutral if one exists, day vig? Sounds right up a mission neutrals alley.

 

[Cereal Killer]

These posts feel like you're trying to be friendly:

And this one felt like you're hedging. Setting me up for a vote the next day phase, like you could point to your post and pretend to be consistent in your reads on D2.

All these posts just felt off to me.

Since it won't pull quotes, I'll respond this way:


1. “you must be investigating people!! burn the spider”
This wasn’t actually to you or even about you. I quoted your post and made a snarky joke about Bob being sure that Dany was investigating people from a throwaway remark.

Snarky is not buddying. It is often the opposite.

2. “Yeah, but it's a prod vote and you said something so I feel better but I don't feel like unvoting so I'm gonna sit there for a while. I want to ask you for a PIK though”
Asking you for a PIK isn’t buddying. It’s trying to get a read on you. So is me sitting on the vote.

3. “your list is even more indecisive than mine was :-P”
Your list was in fact more indecisive than mine was.

4. “scummy post tbh and while I"m here I don't like your list or the fact you were gone for an hour but posted again immediately when prodded but I doubt anyone is up for your wagon today”

I would have continued to vote you but it would have been throwing away my vote because no one else seemed to care about you.


Regarding "consistent reads d2" - first of all, clearly my reads ARE NOT consistent d2 since Zombie was my worst/scummiest d1 and I have him as a protect today.

But do you understand why I am voting you today?

 

[Cereal Killer]

I feel slightly worse about Spidey than CK, but I think if CK doesn't get lunched today they'll still be on the chopping block tomorrow because we've got some players deadset on lunching them so maybe it's best to see their flip. I'm still going to vote on Spidey first though.

vote: Spider-Man

while I agree about killing me, woooooow this is a bad post

 

[Barney]

Wait, so have you read the stuff people have been saying this day phase at all?

I have, but for me its on the background unless something really jumps at me, or to reinforce theories I already have.

No, the thing is, I'm not sure about anything. Which is why I think it's important to consider multiple scenarios. Including one in which we are both town.

But none of this answers your weird statement about town "working together."

Sorry if its not clear, but my working together was that I don't see you both been scum, I think that one was obvious but apparently my wording was weird.

So, either Scum/town or town/town, but I am far far far more convinced one of you two is scum.

 

[Spider-Man]

Since it won't pull quotes, I'll respond this way:


1. “you must be investigating people!! burn the spider”
This wasn’t actually to you or even about you. I quoted your post and made a snarky joke about Bob being sure that Dany was investigating people from a throwaway remark.

Snarky is not buddying. It is often the opposite.

2. “Yeah, but it's a prod vote and you said something so I feel better but I don't feel like unvoting so I'm gonna sit there for a while. I want to ask you for a PIK though”
Asking you for a PIK isn’t buddying. It’s trying to get a read on you. So is me sitting on the vote.

3. “your list is even more indecisive than mine was :-P”
Your list was in fact more indecisive than mine was.

4. “scummy post tbh and while I"m here I don't like your list or the fact you were gone for an hour but posted again immediately when prodded but I doubt anyone is up for your wagon today”

I would have continued to vote you but it would have been throwing away my vote because no one else seemed to care about you.


Regarding "consistent reads d2" - first of all, clearly my reads ARE NOT consistent d2 since Zombie was my worst/scummiest d1 and I have him as a protect today.

But do you understand why I am voting you today?

It's easy to twist these posts later, but those posts rand alarm bells in my head. Not strong ones at that time, but alarms none the less.

All I'll say is if you are town, your read on me is wrong and that's OK, town always makes mistakes especially this early in the game. And if you're scum, well done!

 

[Spider-Man]

@Cereal Killer who are your top 2 scum outside of me? If we assume a 4 member scum team.

 

[Witch]

No worries, any pronoun works for me!

Yeah, I had to go back and check what was requested. Apologies Witch, you do not have a warning.

phew, alright. I will make sure to proofread better going forward anyway.

When I flip town, you need to look at Spider-Man, who is happy to coast along for the ride while other people do the work for him and other mafia.

I think regardless of who flips what, we need to be looking at Spider-Man or CK more closely D3. With all the interactions between them, I can't see them both being town.

Then why wouldn't I vote Zombie and save us both?

Voting to lynch is immensely better than voting to tie up the vote. Look at all the time we spent discussing whether CK was trying to tie up the vote and how many votes are based on just that.

Pretty sure I quoted this back, but Witch seems to really be onboard when someone else is driving the train.

That's a symptom of being really uncertain on who to trust.

 

[Cereal Killer]

but I am far far far more convinced one of you two is scum.

from votes only

 

[Bob Ross]

Barney when CK flips and you actually read posts come back to us D3 ok?

 

[Cereal Killer]

It's easy to twist these posts later, but those posts rand alarm bells in my head. Not strong ones at that time, but alarms none the less.

All I'll say is if you are town, your read on me is wrong and that's OK, town always makes mistakes especially this early in the game. And if you're scum, well done!

So you don't then?

 

[Banana]

How are you Banana? You seem to be leaning town on Cereal?

I have been going back and forth on CK like every 4 hours. Right now I'm leaning town but it's not a strong lean. Between Spidey and CK I strongly prefer Spidey however, that scum read needle is well past a lean for me right now.

 

[Spider-Man]

I think regardless of who flips what, we need to be looking at Spider-Man or CK more closely D3. With all the interactions between them, I can't see them both being town.

Hm, why can't we both be town? I'm pretty convinced CK is mafia but town VS town is actually pretty common

 

[Barney]

from votes only

What do you rely on? Reads? We know how effective those are.

Unless you have a 100% scum-hunt record with your methods that I'm not aware off you can get down that high-horse you are taunting me from.

 

[Barney]

Barney when CK flips and you actually read posts come back to us D3 ok?

Then you'll be like "Hey Barney why are you not reading D3 posts, you must be neutral or a lunchbomb".

 

[Bob Ross]

Then you'll be like "Hey Barney why are you not reading D3 posts, you must be neutral or a lunchbomb".

Your playstyle is so wild that I'll probably advocate for you to get lynched no matter what CK flips.

 

[Cereal Killer]

@Cereal Killer who are your top 2 scum outside of me? If we assume a 4 member scum team.

This is my PoE, made from the people I was looking back from the initial list of suspicion from my collated Drac posts who continued to be suspicious today. I would say this is an approximate order from least to most likely scum.

Cinderella
Barney
Prisoner
Minecraft Steve
Spider-Man

 

[Spider-Man]

So you don't then?

I'm really not a fan of this condescending attitude, we've been friendly and respectful of each other so far so let's not ruin that.

But just to humor you: we are actually voting each other for the same reason. EOD voting.

 

[Barney]

Your playstyle is so wild that I'll probably advocate for you to get lynched no matter what CK flips.

You can make that happen right now, there is enough votes in me to get a train going, if you feel that strongly about it.

I'll probably visit you tonight, anyway.

 

[Witch]

Hm, why can't we both be town? I'm pretty convinced CK is mafia but town VS town is actually pretty common

You are both going in way too deep on each other.

Actually, the way you responded to me by going on the offensive is just making you look scummier to me. If you're able to levy accusations so haphazardly, I get the sense you don't believe any of what you're saying.

 

[Bob Ross]

You can make that happen right now, there is enough votes in me to get a train going, if you feel that strongly about it.

I'll probably visit you tonight, anyway.

Got nothing to hide

 

[Spider-Man]

Well, you'll see you're wrong when I flip. It's OK though, we're one down anyway. Just do a better job next day phase, town.

 

[Baby]

You can make that happen right now, there is enough votes in me to get a train going, if you feel that strongly about it.

I'll probably visit you tonight, anyway.

Why soft claim a power role now of all times??

 

[Barney]

Got nothing to hide

I know, you are on my town list, that is why I am visiting you. I already visited someone else on my town list.

Why soft claim a power role now of all times??

Seems like a good time, would scum kill me? Guess we'll see.

 

[Spider-Man]

You are both going in way too deep on each other.

Actually, the way you responded to me by going on the offensive is just making you look scummier to me. If you're able to levy accusations so haphazardly, I get the sense you don't believe any of what you're saying.

So you think town can't go deep on another townie?

All my accusations have logical intent behind them, and if it doesn't appear that way please let me know and I'm happy to explain!

 

[Witch]

So you think town can't go deep on another townie?

Actually, yeah, you're right about that. I've been there.

I'm not budging on the rest, though.

 

[Prisoner]

Looks like there's a lot of suspicion on Barney, but nobody willing to vote there.

 

[Natiko]

Vote Count:

Cereal Killer - 6
Bob Ross - Post #758
Spider-Man - Post #778
Minecraft Steve - Post #884
Witch - Post #886 Post #917
Kool-Aid Man - Post #1,116
Barney - Post #1,138
Rey - Post #1,189

Spider-Man - 6
Cereal Killer - Post #787 Post #862
Zombie - Post #821
Cereal Killer - Post #1,082
Witch - Post #1,105
Banana - Post #1,110
Baby - Post #1,210
Cinderella - Post #1,244

Barney - 1
Baby - Post #1,139 Post #1,210
Prisoner - Post #1,179

Prisoner - 1
Barack Obama - Post #1,168

Daenerys Targaryen - 0
Baby - Post #786 Post #1,139
Cinderella - Post #1,026 Post #1,244

Barack Obama - 0
Jack Sparrow - Post #979 Post #1,134

Jack Sparrow - 0
Cereal Killer - Post #862 Post #1,082

Rey - 0
Kool-Aid Man - Post #870 Post #1,116

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Sorry for not posting today some dumb bullshit came up. This SM vs CK war has me conflicted. But I’m gonna have to:
Vote: Spider-Man
right now. I liked CKs posts today and was not a big fan of spidey.

Also KAM if you’re reading this bust through that brick wall and shoot someone today.

 

[Bob Ross]

Looks like there's a lot of suspicion on Barney, but nobody willing to vote there.

I was thinking about it but the new post is interesting, I'll wait and see what will happen.

 

[Witch]

@Barack Obama is in the wind, huh? No change we can get them to put a vote elsewhere?

Players who have not voted: @Jack Sparrow, @Daenerys Targaryen

 

[Bob Ross]

@Minecraft Steve Any thoughts?

 

[Cereal Killer]

I'm really not a fan of this condescending attitude, we've been friendly and respectful of each other so far so let's not ruin that.

But just to humor you: we are actually voting each other for the same reason. EOD voting.

It's funny that when I make posts you find "too friendly," it's suspicious, but now that you are a wagon, you are trying very hard to be friendly and cheery and to remind everyone that they should be, too.

I will reiterate my case on you in a moment.

 

[Baby]

I mean, we know that Barney is not a cop since we've already had one flip. Doctor wouldn't be advertising that + it seems vaguely threatening. Probably not a Vigilante if Kool Aid Man is telling the truth.

I dunno what threatening roles we have that are both town and possible, but all I'm thinking is cultist leader or arsonist!

 

[Cereal Killer]

Looks like there's a lot of suspicion on Barney, but nobody willing to vote there.

Do you think they should?

Do you think these wagons should not be resolved?

 

[Prisoner]

Alright, between Cereal and Spider, I feel worse about Cereal.

vote: Cereal Killer

 

[Barack Obama]

@Barack Obama is in the wind, huh? No change we can get them to put a vote elsewhere?

Players who have not voted: @Jack Sparrow, @Daenerys Targaryen

I'll be around for rest of day, consider my vote unofficially on CK for now, if she and spiderman are the options. I just don't want anyone to be hammered before koolaid gets a chance to PULL THE TRIGGER

 

[Prisoner]

Do you think they should?

Do you think these wagons should not be resolved?

I would rather lunch a Scum read of mine, instead of lunching for information.

 

[Barack Obama]

7 votes on both wagons atm

 

[Spider-Man]

It's funny that when I make posts you find "too friendly," it's suspicious, but now that you are a wagon, you are trying very hard to be friendly and cheery and to remind everyone that they should be, too.

I will reiterate my case on you in a moment.

{{I'm talking at the meta level. There's a difference between scum trying to pocket a town in game which is a totally valid tactic, and just being polite in general}}

 

[Cinderella]

while I agree about killing me, woooooow this is a bad post

Uh how so

 

[Bob Ross]

I mean, we know that Barney is not a cop since we've already had one flip. Doctor wouldn't be advertising that + it seems vaguely threatening. Probably not a Vigilante if Kool Aid Man is telling the truth.

I dunno what threatening roles we have that are both town and possible, but all I'm thinking is cultist leader or arsonist!

Could be gossip for all we know, doesn't matter though, the more speculation on it the more it hurts town if Barney is actually town.

 

[Barney]

I mean, we know that Barney is not a cop since we've already had one flip. Doctor wouldn't be advertising that + it seems vaguely threatening. Probably not a Vigilante if Kool Aid Man is telling the truth.

I dunno what threatening roles we have that are both town and possible, but all I'm thinking is cultist leader or arsonist!

I like how you landed on neutral roles, not neutral tho.

 

[Witch]

Could be gossip for all we know, doesn't matter though, the more speculation on it the more it hurts town if Barney is actually town.

lol should've let that one lie for a bit to see if we got any flies

 

[Barney]

Could be gossip for all we know, doesn't matter though, the more speculation on it the more it hurts town if Barney is actually town.

I don't think it was a waste, since no one else is voting me I effectively defended myself and we can now focus on the other trains.

 

[Bob Ross]

I don't think it was a waste, since no one else is voting me I effectively defended myself and we can now focus on the other trains.

As a defense it was good ngl.

 

[Witch]

Who was it earlier that speculated on Clown based on the "remove" language?

because the other thing notable here is that there seems to be a neutral in the game.

You know, I don't think CK got enough credit for identifying a possible neutral in the game. Scum absolutely would have kept that to themselves if they'd realized it. Literally no one else noticed or pointed it out if they did.

 

[Banana]

I meant to bring it up earlier but how does a neutral with an unknown win condition affect Bob's vig shot calculations?

 

[Cereal Killer]

On Spider-Man:

Spider-Man waffled on giving reads and thoughts d1. I even had to ask him twice for a PIK and when he did, it was multiple options for each. That isn’t too uncommon, people do that, but combined with the way Spider-Man approached everything else, it looks like scum trying to hedge their bets.

First, Banana pointed out this post (#216) but I want to expand on it too - Spidey doesn’t really comment on Drac’s slip, just says “I took it as an assumption. But he comments on everyone else’s commentary and uses it to shade Bob Ross.

Spider-Man shades Bob Ross and Zombie in that post, and later Baby as well. Apparently, despite thinking I was trying to buddy him, he didn’t say anything about me. In fact, he called me a “strong player” at that point. I pulled this post and another out previously.

I think I'm OK with my Bob vote, although I love that he's more engaged now. However, it feels like he's mostly just playing defensive.

But what's really giving me pause is that so many people are pushing against him, but he still only has one vote (me). Most recently Jack Sparrow, which doesn't give me good vibes as it reads like he is piling on to the reasoning of some strong/active players like CK and Dracula.

This ups the shade list now to include Jack Sparrow. Note also that Spidey is always pairing Drac with others. With me. With Witch in his PIK. This is a really common scum move - it muddles references to your teammates.

This was the other post I had originally pulled out:

On the off chance Bob isn't scum, his elimination might give us some clues as many players have strong opinions on him

People had a lot of strong feelings about a lot of players. Why just Bob? Why would we want to info kill on d1 when we had good suspects and even if we did, why Bob? What would that have unlocked that say, a Zombie vote wouldn’t have? Or if this was how you were playing, why not Drac?

Instead, Spider-Man stayed off wagon. Kept hands clean. Came in today laser focused on me because I was the most obvious, easy target. Things like the quotes list above, remarks that made him feel uneasy? That’s what he’s inventing to add on it. It’s really just that I’m an easy target.

So no, Spidey, my case on you isn’t just EoD voting. It’s inconsistency. It’s the way you treated Drac. It’s that you have largely stayed out of things today except to push for my death.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Let’s be careful not to turbo this accidentally, there’s clearly less resistance with these two lunches than dracula.

 

[Bob Ross]

I meant to bring it up earlier but how does a neutral with an unknown win condition affect Bob's vig shot calculations?

If they are a survivor it doesn't but he has to side with us in the end, if they can leave the game before it ends then we lose at 4 mislynches. BUT, a doctor save is still possible and the chances of KM hitting scum are also there, I'd take the chances tbh.

 

[Cereal Killer]

I would rather lunch a Scum read of mine, instead of lunching for information.

It was never implied in my post that we shouldn't vote scumreads. It certainly looks like people are voting their reads. So why do you think people should jump off for Barney?

 

[Cereal Killer]

To continue on Spider-Man: a lot of people had messy d1 votes. Some were also people who had defended Drac or turned around on him. It wasn't just me. Some were even in the list of people you had already shaded. So why not continue to pursue multiple angles? Especially now that you are trying to push the idea that town can and does tunnel town? You are tunneled. Why didn't you look at the others, if you know this tendency is common?

 

[Barney]

You know, I don't think CK got enough credit for identifying a possible neutral in the game. Scum absolutely would have kept that to themselves if they'd realized it. Literally no one else noticed or pointed it out if they did.

Credit how. Scum would totally point that out, free townie points.

 

[Cereal Killer]

(I think the answer is that Spider-Man is NOT town but wants to be able to say tomorrow 'aw, it was just a town tunnel, shucks.")

 

[Bob Ross]

You know, I don't think CK got enough credit for identifying a possible neutral in the game. Scum absolutely would have kept that to themselves if they'd realized it. Literally no one else noticed or pointed it out if they did.

I wouldn't say that's the case, scum can want the neutral dead, they'd love it if town wasted a lynch on the neutral.