If mafia is dead, Town loses when it no longer controls the vote.Question, what happens if all the mafia players are dead, town players = cult players and both sides have worked out alignments so votes are always tied?
If mafia is dead, Town loses when it no longer controls the vote.Question, what happens if all the mafia players are dead, town players = cult players and both sides have worked out alignments so votes are always tied?
I think they ended up in a better position though, depending on how much notice scum take of their claim (apparently they claimed? I missed it)
If mafia is dead, Town loses when it no longer controls the vote.
Yeah that's who I meantI'm talking about Gotham and I don't think she has claimed yet. We role copped her N2 and saw she was a JOAT
Question, what happens if all the mafia players are dead, town players = cult players and both sides have worked out alignments so votes are always tied?
I'm not even sure who this refers to apart from Stan. Maybe Turmoil?Yeah, I’m not saying they’ve lost - just saying I hope they lose because they’re being carried by a few who are trying and the rest seem ambivalent.
Bad play is usually town, it's annoying but it hardly feels worth calling it out.
I'm curious, how many likes do I appear to have from y'all POV.
You lack access to scum chat, right?
Yeah, I’m not saying they’ve lost - just saying I hope they lose because they’re being carried by a few who are trying and the rest seem ambivalent.
I feel Buffy is lacking in players that call out bad play.
The stuff hom3 said about not claiming last minute, as well as Nicole not changing her vote from Splinter but she did in the end.
There's also no real attention being given to players who sort of appear in small windows and then go again.
When bad play is suggested, it's just ignored or accepted. We usually have a couple of players who openly quote that stuff and call it out as shit and explain why.
Like why is Stan alive? he's never super active, but this is probably the laziest I've seen him play, and it's pretty much impossible to get a real read of him. He's out of character which I'd probably chase for alone.
If there is a tie between town / cult.
Cult wins
You lack access to scum chat, right?
Stan is alive because that is how forum mafia works. He deserves more pressure for his lack of play but ultimately there are going to be stronger scum reads in the game than coasting Stan so it is unlikely he is going to get picked up for a lynch by town. Scum have no incentive to kill him either because he isn't a threat either. And ask yourself would you really lynch an inactive player or would you want a flip that gives you more information?
Yes.
They have a margin of error, this is where you lynch inactives.
It's not just inactivity though, Stan is usually pretty easy to read as Town in most games. This one he's not really attempted to engage at all. It's pretty different from other games.
I'm sure I'll feel better when I wouldn't have inactives at lylo.
I mean wasting an inactive is alright at this stage, but it doesn't really help things for later phases.
I'll look at the CCS list.
I still feel Kark is probable scum. I didn't mention the timing thing until now, but it was something I noticed yesterday as it happened.
I’m referring to both games. I’m sure if you glance through the player lists in both you’d see there are quite a few guilty of this. I’m not going to name names and cause hurt feelings though.I'm not even sure who this refers to apart from Stan. Maybe Turmoil?
Sorian and Ty both posted less than usual but they flipped scum anyway
But they’re able to do this because ‘the crowd’ is so often those lightly participating at best. I would much rather that be the exception not the norm.For a couple of them I do think it's on purpose due to abilities/roles in Buffy. One in particular is playing rather differently and I think that's why.
Yeah, until you get a game like Zelda Mafia where scum where all players that didn’t even bother to play and they cruised to a victory with very, very little effort put in. Due to our community so often having players that barely participate, to the extent that it’s h realistic to policy lynch that many players as punishment, it ends up resulting in a meta where the strongest scum strategy is to just not play which is frustrating as hell to interact with.Good luck making an argument that Town should stop their successful scum hunting strategy to take out an inactive. Sounds like a scum ploy to divert attention from their troubles...
Town loses if the lose control of the Lynch. That is common rules with 2 factions left. Even if the 2nd faction was an independent SK, town loses if it is 2 people left.This doesn't seem right.... Town should win because Cult are no longer a threat to reach a majority of the vote. i.e. they can't kill any more town players. And actually the whole debate about killing scum vs killing cult is moot if you look at the town win con
"You win when all Mafia aligned players have been eliminated." So kill Godfather and win.
So from my reading if they kill Godfather (and he is the last scum) Town wins and with 6 players left there is no way cult has reached a majority so they lose.
So cult should be trying to keep Godfather alive so he can kill a town player and cult can be in the majority and win... but Town would also win because all Mafia players are dead.
Town loses if the lose control of the Lynch. That is common rules with 2 factions left. Even if the 2nd faction was an independent SK, town loses if it is 2 people left.
Why would the game be over if the scum was lynched? Cult can still win. Town can mislynch itself until Cult has the numbers to win.
nin
You are aligned with yourself and win when you survive until the end of the game.
You also have a secondary win condition. If you successfully vend all your items, you will win and be removed from the game.
scum
You are aligned with mafia and win when the mafia team has a majority (50%+1) of the votes at the start of the Day Phase.
You are nitpicking the words which were stated a way to not reveal the third party to the game early on.The way I see it Town should win if town = cult with all mafia dead and all recruitments used since at that point if all town voted No Lynch there would never be a vote to kill and no further deaths is the goal of town.
The specific goal of the Cult is "You win when a majority of the living players are cultists, or when nothing can prevent this from happening"
The bolded is the specific goal and majority means more than half. If the cult never get more than half how can they win?
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An SK is a threat to town since they can kill town players, that isn't true of this cult. And an SK wins in a 1v1 since the vote outcome is a tie and they have a NK. (although if the other player was a role blocker..)
Scum should never need 50% + 1. I do not even understand that. As soon as you control the lynch you win. If it is 1 - 1 and the 1 is scum vanilla and the other 1 is bulletproof town vig with a shot left. Scum wins. Even though town can shoot him the final day and cannot be killed by mafia, scum still wins.Also I was looking at Zelda since Natiko was complaining about it again. And the main problem is town simply didn't have enough players to match a team of 4 mafia and a SK.
But also the win conditions there are screwed. IMO nin should not have won.
2nd last day 5 players
>1 town, 2 scum, 1 SK, 1 item giver
>town lynched
night
>scum kill SK, SK kill scum
last day
> 1 scum , 1 item giver (nin)
Both scum and nin were given the win however these were the win conditions
Nin still had an item remaining to vend on the final day so had not been removed from the game.
IMO the game mistakenly ended with two players remaining. Scum did not have 50%+1 of the votes. The game should have went to the following night phase where the remaining scum player could have blocked and killed nin to prevent him fulfilling either of his win cons.
My only regret this game was calling out TP! Sorry man, you actually did pretty well in hindsight. Only big mistake was letting me get out my claim first, and kinda fucking yours up, and of course, not focusing on cult.
If no one is recruitable and there is 4 cult, 4 town and 1 scum. Scum is lynched. No nightkill. 4 cult, 4 town. Town has to eliminate the cult to win. Cult has to control the Lynch to win. 4-4 Cult wins. Town cannot Lynch out the cult.As for cult win/loss at 50/50, what do you do if none of the remaining town are recruitable? There's definitely issues with the win conditions in this game. Worse is a 5v3town&1scum. Mafia can kill them while they fuck up recruitments and eventually lose.
Back on topic though - is that game in Console Wars?
You assume they know who the mafia is.If no one is recruitable and there is 4 cult, 4 town and 1 scum. Scum is lynched. No nightkill. 4 cult, 4 town. Town has to eliminate the cult to win. Cult has to control the Lynch to win. 4-4 Cult wins. Town cannot Lynch out the cult.
You assume they know who the mafia is
You are nitpicking the words which were stated a way to not reveal the third party to the game early on.
The cult group for all intents and purposes is another separate mafia group that acts in different ways.
For town to win, the Cult must be eliminated fully. The only way to be eliminated fully is to be lynched out. If town lynches wrong, cult can take over and win.
You are nitpicking the words. I mean, if you are arguing that the host needs to clarify it to the game because people could be confused, I can understand that.
Godfather is mafia so there's at least 1 left.Are all mafia players dead?
Since you are here, totally random but mind if I ask you to join the game I'm hosting on Gamefaqs? I need 3 players to start.If no one is recruitable and there is 4 cult, 4 town and 1 scum. Scum is lynched. No nightkill. 4 cult, 4 town. Town has to eliminate the cult to win. Cult has to control the Lynch to win. 4-4 Cult wins. Town cannot Lynch out the cult.
A changed man considering this post in Ouro's Invitational the day after we hit (inactive) scum and had built a margin of error.
It is easier to point these things out when removed from the game but in the thick of it most people want to confirm their reads/suspicions rather do some housekeeping cleaning up some lazy players.
Yup. I rail against it every game but nobody ever wants to policy lynch D1.Was inactive scum One Post Kawl?
What you say is true but I'm saying that's the problem. The community needs to be a little less urgent on finding scum in active players. This is a ongoing theme for ages. I've been guilty of this, but I'm seeing the theme constantly reoccur.
Inactivity itself is fairly scummy, especially if you're active enough to be making post targets, but not much more.
Was inactive scum One Post Kawl?
What you say is true but I'm saying that's the problem. The community needs to be a little less urgent on finding scum in active players. This is a ongoing theme for ages. I've been guilty of this, but I'm seeing the theme constantly reoccur.
Inactivity itself is fairly scummy, especially if you're active enough to be making post targets, but not much more.
I think they're slightly paranoidTy, why is our team making the most basic trash check possible?
I still stand by the fact that Kawl's inactivity wasn't inherently scummy. You took a shot in the dark.
I still stand by the fact that Kawl's inactivity wasn't inherently scummy. You took a shot in the dark.
Me?
I never voted One Post Kawl.
I forget who agreed and disagreed with me. Duly re-noted that monkey is trash.
Happy birthday tho :)
I haven't paid any attention to your game so far. Did cabot and i fuck the balance or is it going ok? If the former, it's cabot's fault.NO U
luv,
monkey, phd student in anglash
A shame it may not matter since he made himself an easy lynch to push by being so flippant.Turmoils reads are on point tho
I like these connectionsA shame it may not matter since he made himself an easy lynch to push by being so flippant.
Wasn't every scum on you lmao
poor rac <3 ALSO, LONG LIVE LARRYDepressed rac from being lynched first day is the highlight of the spec thread for me.
l o v e i tHappy Birthday Monkey. Enjoy this hand made gif
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I know. Ugh, turmoil whyyyyyHappy Birthday Monkey! And RIP Gorlak, you played great.
A shame it may not matter since he made himself an easy lynch to push by being so flippant.
Also I was looking at Zelda since Natiko was complaining about it again. And the main problem is town simply didn't have enough players to match a team of 4 mafia and a SK.
But also the win conditions there are screwed. IMO nin should not have won.
2nd last day 5 players
>1 town, 2 scum, 1 SK, 1 item giver
>town lynched
night
>scum kill SK, SK kill scum
last day
> 1 scum , 1 item giver (nin)
Both scum and nin were given the win however these were the win conditions
Nin still had an item remaining to vend on the final day so had not been removed from the game.
IMO the game mistakenly ended with two players remaining. Scum did not have 50%+1 of the votes. The game should have went to the following night phase where the remaining scum player could have blocked and killed nin to prevent him fulfilling either of his win cons.
if that's the case why not just lynch gotham then?
I Ann drinky and cannot fix it worried now regardless
I re-read Zelda for fun and realized it's been a year since that ended. Time flies!
Uh, Sawneeks can answer this one.
I re-read Zelda for fun and realized it's been a year since that ended. Time flies!
I haven't paid any attention to your game so far. Did cabot and i fuck the balance or is it going ok? If the former, it's cabot's fault.
spoiler heavy grousing:
if they kill our vig without a single shot used, I shall be very put out
Yeah, seemed like the right choice there :pGorlak and Fran kind of are too but they are both known for tunneling weird shit so as long as I keep pushing there, most will just blow it off as noise.
AHAHAHAHAHA <3I mean, boy I'd sure love to end Gorlak
yep