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Zubz

Zubz

For your proposal? Is there anyone else you think you can vote for? I wouldn't go down easy, even if it does look like things are dire. Still, if you vote for Kaz, it might be suspicious, as much as I'd love for the town to take him out.
 
Zubz

Zubz

Yeah... As of Kaz quoting me saying Scum killed Corrick instead of Salva, I'm 99.9% certain he saw me last night, not just the result of the kill.
 
Zubz

Zubz

Gah! And now he's styling on me with poor CGI .GIF's? This guy is GOOD.

I think Palmer's the only one not under someone's radar right now.
 
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Godfather

If you can survive with a last second shenanigan, that's fine. It wastes a town's day lynching you for it, at worst, and at best, you just get away with it. Just don't do it in a way that implicates other scum.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Yeah, I agree.

They’re not wrong that I am scum, they (Flux and Apollo) just use shitty reasoning to explain why they think I am scum.
 
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TheGamingNewsGuy

Looks like i am pretty screwed at the moment - looks like SaucyKats vote didn't pay off. Honestly i think either one of us or both of us are going down. Welp i expected that to happen
 
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Godfather

Well damn. Things fell apart while I was gone, I see. Saucykaz being a damn day vig was about the worst possibility, and it doesn't explain his weird playstation move comment at all.

We have major problems. Flux is going to continue to be tunneled on exmachina. I ended the day with my votes on a nearly confirmed townie(I was legit gone or I would have switched after the day kill), and flux giving me side eye. Zubz is sorta doing okay for now, at least. There will be some fallout on you from the votes as well, i think.
 
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Godfather

For kills, I feel like Flux is a decent target this time. If he is a cop, we need to stop him before he red checks another one of us. Downside is it will probably bring more heat on exmachina, particularly if he's a cop. We also still have to deal with the fucking soft confirmed Phantom(damnit nin), and saucykaz. Not sure what the nintendo team will want to kill, and town is too fucking stupid to worry about them yet.

On the other hand, I'm ready to just throw this game and kill the inactives until we lose, since the level of participation is maddening.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Yeah, I sympathize. Flux is a cop, I’m reasonably certain SaucyKaz is neutral or Nintendo-aligned and just managed to cement himself as Town in the eyes of the remaining vanilla. They won’t see what he’s doing until it’s too late.

I might manage to squeak by if we kill Flux, but I’m fine if I can’t. It would help you guys either way. For my part, I never tried to cast doubt on Flux as part of town.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
On the other hand, Flux could flip as vanilla Town that just had tunnel vision on me. That would be weird, but it would reduce the risk that his death could cause.
 
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Godfather

Worst case is we don't kill flux, he investigates me, and outs both of us tomorrow. On the other hand, if he is a cop, killing him now means they look at who he tunneled, which is you. He literally said that if he ever dies, go after you. If he's not a cop, it's fine-ish, but still not ideal for you.

I also don't think he'd be getting protected tonight, and a nintendo faction wouldn't bother with him while he's focused on you. Seems like the best prospect when you consider the pros/cons. If Saucykaz is nintendo somehow, I expect to get killed tonight, but could be wrong.

Tempted to do it myself, cause I could claim Vig and maybe get away with it depending on his flip.
 
Zubz

Zubz

I'm happy to hear about the credibility bolster, exmachina! I'm down for killing Flux, though I'm still very concerned about Kaz. Like, does he get extra kills? And do we have an info sharing role that gave him the info about the PS Moves? Plus, again, it puts suspicion on exmachina, which is because the only reason we have to believe him is his claim on exmachina, which validates that for others... Less than ideal. We could still argue that "Scum went after exmachina to frame him," I guess.

Kaz is still a safe kill, although I'm hoping that, if he has multiple kills, he misses again & saves us some trouble. Plus, he might be Nintendo team, as ex mentioned. I'd say it's a toss of a coin between those two. I knew I probably should've voted for him in the Day Cycle, but I thought it'd be safer to vote for someone who I didn't think could track me. And I deeply regret my explanation; I needed an excuse for "I'm not voting for a Power Role but need to help get a vote through" & didn't think about it.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
I wonder if there’s a doctor in this game. With nineteen people, there were four Mafia players, an unknown amount of people in the Nintendo faction, whatever SaucyKaz is, and Flux appears to be a cop. Do the two of you think there are any other Town power roles?
 
Zubz

Zubz

I can kill again if need be, if you think that'd be wise.

And I'm unsure if there's another Town Power Role. I feel like they'd have something if they had 2 factions to contend with.
 
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Godfather

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Godfather

So still no explanation for his PS Move comment from before, except he probably is aware of whatever weapon he used to kill Corrik, which I would assume was not a PS Move.

Unless... if he's a hidden partner, I'll straight up die laughing.

I have no idea where to go for votes today. If I was town, I'd be eyeballing the kaz voters, which includes Zubz and phantom. I'm going to try and make up something based on Salva's posts or votes on D1 though.
 
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Godfather

@exmachina64 Not sure what you're doing with the nintendo thing. I think saucykaz is on the same page as me. Cult Leader existed D1. He recruited N1, and possibly again on N2. Scum killed his N1 recruit on N2. Flux couldn't have been cult if he hadn't been recruited n1.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Yeah, I’m on the same page w/r/t TearablePuns.

W/r/t Nintendo: At first, I thought Flux and the leader existed as Nintendo on D1, but I agree with your assessment. I’ll try to figure out a way to say that. TearablePuns or someone else probably wants to back me in a corner.

I wouldn’t be surprised if TP and PT are Nintendo, but CoolestSpot is acting odd. Not sure if I believe a Town role claim. It would be funny if CS is the Nintendo leader.

What did you mean by SaucyKaz being a hidden partner? With Sony?
 
Zubz

Zubz

Frisky Dingo said:
So still no explanation for his PS Move comment from before, except he probably is aware of whatever weapon he used to kill Corrik, which I would assume was not a PS Move.

Unless... if he's a hidden partner, I'll straight up die laughing.

I have no idea where to go for votes today. If I was town, I'd be eyeballing the kaz voters, which includes Zubz and phantom. I'm going to try and make up something based on Salva's posts or votes on D1 though.
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My guess is that, at the very least, CoolestSpot isn't that partner, since he was annoyed he didn't have the ability to chat with Kaz. There's almost certainly someone that fed that information to Kaz, but I'd be baffled if he was a secret partner of ours. I mean, it makes sense he would drop info only we'd have to let us know, & it's true he hasn't acted, but what role would that be?
 
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Godfather

@exmachina64 BTW, one of the towniest things you've done is prevent the tie D1. If you need to, that's worth mentioning.

Still unsure about kaz. There's no way to get him lynched so we have to consider killing him at some point.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
@Frisky Dingo I'll keep the scum-hunting thing in mind. I'm planning to offer more reads, but I needed to put something down. We should kill either Kaz or TearablePuns tonight, I think.
 
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Godfather

Yeah, I managed to do it while hopefully clearing you further, and not really mentioning zubz at all,though I did have to call zubz out for inactivity in my last post. Thankfully, I can depend on these guys to not double check my work and notice I left out a few quotes that would cast doubt on us.

I think we're in decent shape for today. I won't jump on the bandwagon, but the DREAM would be phantom thief getting lynched and flipping town, so all these other townies get doubt cast on them.

For night kills, I'm actually thinking we leave kaz alone as long as he's not after us during the day. tearable is high on my list though.

Some role speculation here. I don't think town has a doctor. it wouldn't help vs the cultists. I think town has a role blocker or jailer probably. Maybe a tracker too. Also thinking no cops.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
The problem is whether you’ll get a majority to agree/care.

If we lynch Extreme Tactician and he flips as vanilla Town, we could kill SaucyKaz tonight and turbo TearablePuns tomorrow.
 
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Godfather

Zubz said:
I mean... Town wouldn't be safe with him around, at least.
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Bad town is still town. I'd be leaving him as a target for scum NK if I was town, and you know he can't be recruited so he's a thorn in the side of the cult as well. I advise against this push, but i could be wrong. I'll try to stop addressing it in thread now that I've acknowledged it once.
 
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Godfather

At this point, I don't think we kill tearable puns tonight. We need him to diffuse suspicions on the extreme tactician flip(if he's town). If he's cult, we have a lot more to work with. I'm kinda thinking we kill Coolestspot and try and make it seem like it's because he was on Oliver James at day end.
 
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Godfather

For kaz, I actually think his day command is restricted to the vote leader. His threat of having another use actually makes me think he does not, and is baiting a kill now that he's lost usefulness.
 
Zubz

Zubz

Frisky Dingo said:
At this point, I don't think we kill tearable puns tonight. We need him to diffuse suspicions on the extreme tactician flip(if he's town). If he's cult, we have a lot more to work with. I'm kinda thinking we kill Coolestspot and try and make it seem like it's because he was on Oliver James at day end.
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I'm open to this.

That said, I'm going to assume that, if Kaz actually has a night kill, he's going for me. If I die, I want my death to be smothered in Yosp .GIFs.
 
Zubz

Zubz

I feel kinda bad killing him. Oh well. At least he can continue listening to Gloria Estefan in the hereafter.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Since TearablePuns was wrong about Extreme Tactician, I’m going to push him as the lynch target. If it’s true that SaucyKaz can only kill the vote leader, then we could find out if TP is Nintendo pretty quickly.
 
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Godfather

There are 10 players alive right now. 3 scum, 2* nintendo, 5* town. Asterisk means worst case for town, but we don't know for sure. By the end of tonight, it will be 3 scum, 3* cult, 3* town. I don't think town has any real chance of winning at this point, and we need to completely focus on killing cultists. We especially need to be aware of any others who seem to be acting as a team, since they have just as much control of the game as us now. Honestly the game is going to start getting weird, fast. Would not be surprised to see a cultist try to bargain with town to kill scum.

Is it worth concocting a claim ourselves to get someone turbo'd?
 
Zubz

Zubz

Yeah, maybe we should just kill TearablePuns on the chance he is cultleader? It'd cut them off from getting their 4th, at least.
 
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Godfather

I think his command would still go through. There's also a chance another cultist gets promoted to leader when he dies. That varies though.
 
Zubz

Zubz

True... But if Kaz has this much power, I'm sure Iwata has a lot, too. Maybe we can prevent him from using something else?
 
Zubz

Zubz

So, which one of us is killing today? I have a bit more heat on me than I did the last 2 days, but I'm fine with going again since we all have some focus. That said, I think ex has gotten slightly closer off the radar today. I mean, you're still on the radar, but less flagrantly.
 
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Godfather

I was thinking exmachina as well.

Help me out. Someone on d2 or 3 made a post about why scum hunting was more important than cult hunting. We need to kill that person
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
@Frisky Dingo

flatearthpandas said:
I'm caught up. Was drinking all night last night and at work now. Will post more when i get home.

Basically, i don't mind the extreme tactician direction still but i have some problems with the reasoning I'm seeing.

And really, I'm not digging all the Nintendo speculation. I mean we all love Nintendo, it's fine to admit, because they're not even competing with us... and that's important to remember. The cult is not competing with town. They can't kill us. If you have a town role pm you'll notice our win condition is kill mafia and Nintendo is not mafia. All this Nintendo focused speculation looks to me like scum looking busy since there's something they can legitimately sink their teeth into but our job as town has not changed. We need to kill mafia and the faster the better. Adjust your priorities accordingly.

Vote: TearablePuns
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NZJubJub said:
To clarify, this is unrelated to my above post about Apollo.

I agree with your point that the cultists will want to keep one scum alive to give them enough time to win, but I don't see why the response isn't just to keep hunting scum to close out the game for a town win. There will be a maximum of 3 cultists for the remainder of this game and they win when they outnumber all the other players. So assuming they all stay alive into the endgame then they'd win at 5 players left right? Unless I'm missing something here then why don't we focus on lynching scum and leave hunting cultists to scum's nightkill?
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Looks like two.
 
Zubz

Zubz

Works for me. I'm wholeheartedly expecting to be nightkilled if Kaz has the power he claims to have, so if I die, please commemorate me w/ Yosp .GIFS

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I was saving this one for if I made it to the end.
 
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Godfather

Sorry, I wouldn't turbo someone but probably should have. No idea what to think about Zubz. Why do some of them think Apollo killed killed him?
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
I'd be willing to bet that Kaz is a neutral power role and isn't responsible for the night kills. He's successfully slid by and convinced people he's town. No one's publicly acknowledged that he's only killed the vote leader during day phases. We've talked about it here, but publicly, everyone's acting like he's killing by acclimation. I'm not optimistic about our chances of winning since we lost Zubz and I think either one of is going to die or more townies.
 
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Godfather

So, in case I die suddenly, I'll post my general thoughts here. One, this might buy me time, since if I'm a PR, only cult is incentivized to really pile on me. Second, if cult takes my word for it, I've given them 3 vanillas( in theory, I obviously have no real idea). Third, it puts out the idea that we have to lynch/kill cult or we lose, which is mostly true. Fourth, nobody can call me out on my claims without admitting they're a PR of some kind)

It's only REALLY bad if a town tracker/motion detector counter claims. Either way, if it's not obvious, you can't afford to kill PRs at night, so focus on cult.
 
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