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Godfather

That "state of decay" post from tearable is focused on killing scum despite how dumb that is for town. Got to be cult, or just really bad play. Who fucking knows.
 
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Godfather

Sorry i did it without checking with you, but I felt like it needed to be done before a train built too much momentum. What do you think my chances of success(for scum team) are with my gambit?
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Not sure, you might have bought yourself another day. I think it will either be you or TearablePuns being lynched today, barring unforeseen events. It's notable that Kaz isn't rushing to kill TP. Reinforces my idea that he intentionally doesn't want to kill TP.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
I can say with confidence that the biggest mistake Town made in this game was allowing itself to be tunneled into scum-hunting and ignoring Nintendo.
 
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Godfather

I agree Town played badly. I wanted to point out the danger of the cult more, but focusing on it too much is totally a scum thing to do.

For Puns, I can't claim that now. I've already accounted for my 3 night actions. I can do it tomorrow potentially.

Also btw, I've left myself wiggle room. I never actually said tracker, and mentioned in my fake fluff that it's a motion detector. That way if someone tries to get me to verify their target, I can point out that Motion Detectors don't get that info. So in reality, I'm claiming that those 3 took no action and were also not visited those nights. Don't mention that though, cause it might weaken my claim, and there's a chance it never comes up anyway.
 
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Godfather

exmachina64 said:
Yeah, I meant claim that tomorrow.
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I'm not sure i can risk that. If he flips as vanilla town or recruited vanilla town, I would have no reason as a tracker to have seen activity. MD, I would only know that he got visited and recruited this night, which then call sinto doubt every thing else that went down before.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
We may want to leave some room here to try to lynch Kaz.

The thought occurred to me earlier and I saw someone mention it in the game -- Kaz might be bulletproof.
 
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Godfather

We have to kill cult, I think. We’ll see how it unfolds. I am legit going off to play mh. @me if someone gets Day killed or there’s a legit chance of a third person being lynched
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Sorry, I was afk for some real life stuff. Amazing how that exploded, someone’s coaching him. I think you’re either tied or in the lead, so SaucyKaz is probably going to kill you.
 
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Godfather

I'm getting the feeling as the day goes on that cult has maybe failed once or twice, and is only at 2 right now. Town MIGHT still be okay, but yeah, they're playing pretty terribly.
 
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exmachina64

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Unless Kaz pops in and kills CoolestSpot or I within the next three hours, he hasn’t disproven that he can only kill the vote leader.
 
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Godfather

Dunno man, it’s super weird. Coolest implies he did stuff to corrik n1 which makes no sense for a cult leader to do, but he could also just be a bad player
 
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exmachina64

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If Kaz wasn't lying about the night kills (and he may very well have been), Bleen/CoolestSpot is arguably the most logical cult leader.
 
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Godfather

wow, he did himself and town no favors. Literally step 1 of playing town, "Don't lie"

So tearable has to be cult right? If he wasn't, some of these people could have turbo'd him early in the day without issue. The 5 votes on coolest:

Saucy - Never voted for TP or even hinted that he wanted to. There's a whole bucket of problems if he's cult, but I don't think he can be.
You - scummy bastard
zipped - Never voted for TP, but also didn't really buy his claim? If he did, he never went after me for it.
Oliver - Never voted for TP. Not sure what his opinions on the claims were overall. He's a goddamn non-entity and should have been policy lynched long ago.
jubjub - never voted TP, and has been a cult suspect for a long time.

Reason Saucy can't be cult recruit: He's a PR. Reason he can't be cult leader: He would have had to take two actions N1. Recruit flux, and kill corrik, unless he's somehow lying about corrik. Fuck us if that's the case, cause it means some other dipshit should have counter claimed ages ago.

So, we need to kill TP, jubjub, zipped, or Oliver.

First, who do we think is cult leader in particular? Second, do we think cult leader has any protections against NK?

If TP was just a recruit, I think they might have let him die today and even helped turbo him for credibility.
 
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Godfather

and I can't operate thinking saucy is neutral. 4 factions in one game is ridiculous. This shit is already super bastard which annoys me cause i would not have signed up knowing it was bastard.
 
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Godfather

The reason I suspect Zipped is his sudden turn against me. I actually wonder if they tried to recruit me. They would know i wasn't vanilla townie, but not be sure I was a PR or just scum. Unfortunately, they don't care either way, so they pushed for my lynch, which I staved off with my role claim. Since TP was the only other option though, he had no reason NOT to claim something like Cop to buy his team another day, and he was 50/50 on guessing right anyway. He also used his cop claim to clear zipped, didn't he?

Honestly, zipped being cult is the most dangerous scenario cause he's one of the good players.

Also, if saucy has a NK, he's hopefully targeting TP now. It's that or you. If he kills you, town is just completely king making the cult, in which case we never really had a chance no matter how well we played, aside from getting a lucky cult leader kill early on.

I think we kill zipped, and just hope town can turbo TP tomorrow.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
I have no idea anymore.

CoolestSpot has enough experience that he should have known not to do that fake PR claim.

More fuel for our suspicions about Kaz’s role though. Never bothered to come back and do a day kill. Either of us could be killed off tonight.

I still won’t discount Kaz as cult, this game has gone very smoothly for him.

I doubt TP is the leader unless there was no cult during D1 and he became cult leader during N1. The quality of his play has gotten significantly better over the course of the game and it feels like he’s being coached to me.

Oliver is probably cult, most players don’t seem to care that he’s sliding by at this point.

Maybe 50/50 that the cult leader is TP or Zipped? The problem is if we guess wrong and the target is BP.
 
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Godfather

Kill: TearablePuns

If we feel the need to change that later, go ahead, but I may get distracted by MHW and forget. I think we have to get rid of TP cause we have to get town onto lynching someone else tomorrow.
 
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Godfather

You’re going to help cult win. They could have 4 members. Any errant votes let’s them turbo. Town should not be voting unless they’re positive it’s cult or they just want to lose anyway
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
If they had four members, they would have already won because they win when they achieve a simple majority or nothing can prevent that majority.
 
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exmachina64

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I feel it would be hard for me to move my vote away from you.

You've all but admitted you're scum and the only way to survive would be to convince town it's more important to kill cult and come back for you later.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Okay, I think you've survived for now.

Kaz is at least pretending to believe my role claim, so we might be able to kill cult today and tonight and then stalemate tomorrow?
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Wouldn’t the game have ended if they have four?

But let’s try to lynch Apollo, Kaz would be open to that. Then we kill one of them, maybe Zipped, tonight.

We’ll be at five then, right?

Assuming we don’t kill the Nintendo leader, you bargain to help kill the another Nintendo and then let town kill you the following day.

That night, we kill Kaz and win.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
Say something like:

“Look, Kaz, I’m the last scum. I’ve already lost, but you’re going to lose if you settle for lynching me today. I’m frustrated by the setup of this game and I’m not happy about this, but I don’t want to lose to Nintendo. Apollo’s behaving really oddly and I know he’s not scum. Let’s lynch him and I’ll kill another person we agree is likely to be Nintendo.”

Maybe post Apollo’s suspicious posts like you did with other players.
 
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exmachina64

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If that’s agreeable to you, try to say it before Kaz gets back. If he agrees, I’ll agree and we’ll see if we can get one of them to turn on Apollo.
 
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exmachina64

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Really? I thought you were suspicious of him for some reason.

Apollo and OJ are both in hiding mode and seem more intent on killing scum than cult.

There's a chance cult fucked up and they only have one or two people, so I don't want to go too hard against someone.

Those two stand out to me more than JubJub or Zipped.
 
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exmachina64

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Why are players in this game having such a hard time identifying cult as not being neutral?

Flux (cult) did it, but so did TP, CS, JubJub, and probably others.
 
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Godfather

The funniest thing that could happen is if they actually buy into your claim(and i suspect there's doubts about it in the cult chat), and try to turbo me expecting your assistance.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
There’s something significant about Apollo, whether he’s the last remaining vanilla townie, a Town PR or a cultist.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
I’m skeptical that he’s going to make five posts and we don’t know if Nin is going to kill him before the end of the day, at the end or during the night.
 
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exmachina64

You can call me Deus
I’d wager that cult is looking to entrap me and cast me as cult or scum by having me defend you, so I’ll probably have to vote against you if they get a train rolling.
 
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Godfather

Eh, I'm suiciding. The apollo replacement is enraging me too much. So tired of people that don't really play the game ruining the experience.
 
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