Gossip Thread "And this one time, at Vamp Camp...."

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And I feel like a lot of people are being really quick to claim and I don’t want to yet. I still have one thing I can use and I’m trying to make it worth it
 
Because I believed your claim and you seem to be working in town’s best interests and I’m pretty certain I’m going to get lynched tomorrow so I wanted to try to use this with someone who seems to be actively scumhunting
 
Who do you think Melon and Fran are? Fluff-wise?
2 people working together from seasons 1-3? I dunno.

I’ve been townreading melon but if they are scum, could be Spike and Dru.

I hope not though because I was pretty sure on melon and I’ll be pissed if I’m wrong again
 
Nah, they aren't scum. If they would be why would Fran mention anything? Pretty sure they are town.
 
See Fran had me unsure after the whole Sorian thing but it felt too intense to be fabricated so the melon thing made me feel better
 
I also have/had my doubts about Fran. Sorian felt a bit too obvious somehow.

Why didn't you invite melon?
 
So why would Splinter pull this? Does he do this stuff? Because it felt like it didn’t help anyone at all
He was bored, maybe? He didn't really put much effort into the game let alone hunting scum. It's been a bit similar in Berserk. I think he wanted to have some fun and go out with a bang :D

And honestly, I was entertained, even if it was a horrible play.
 
I also have/had my doubts about Fran. Sorian felt a bit too obvious somehow.

Why didn't you invite melon?
The first night I wasted another power.
Second night I was just an idiot and didn’t realise chat was a request I had to make during the day to use at night.
But today I felt that after the claim you sounded like a good person to talk to. I’d been holding off using the chat until I knew who to talk to and then you killed Ty today and I thought I could trust you.

Melon hadn’t been posting much of late and you’ve been asking a lot of questions so seemed like a sensible option
 
So basically, so far you’ve seemed like you’ve been seriously sniffing out scum so seemed like my best bet for some information I can actually use.
 
I'm not quite sure if you are town-aligned. With the new info (and fran+melon) it looks very likely that you should be scum going by votes. I'll show you soon.

But anyway as a token of trust I can reveal this: I'm out of shots.
 
Okay. Thanks for sharing. I’m Town. I don’t know how else I can say it.

I have one shots at the following: check alignment, chat, roleblock.

I’ve used 2 out of 3 now
 
I don’t know how the scum kills work yet. I don’t know who’s doing them and I don’t know how to look for breadcrumbs or clues or whatever yet. I don’t want to throw away my roleblock.

That’s why I’m reaching out here. You seem to be good at asking the kinds of questions to weed out scum. And yes, the Ty kill made me go “thats who to use my chat with”
 
Okay, I'm dropping the play here. You asking for clarification on my claim sounded very much like scum asking for support from a potential neutral. Not that I have shown to be very supportive of scum.
And suddenly I thought of all kinds of mindgames and how I could pretend to be neutral and maybe get info out of you.

But I have a feeling you are town looking for support. I want to use that opportunity. I don't want to waste time pretending in case you aren't scum.

I am town. If you are scum, you can just go kill me. I've given my everything so far to hunt down scum. I will continue to do so :)
 
I was scum in my last game so I still don’t have a bloody clue what I’m doing as Town. In Cluedo I had Monkey and Sawneeks to keep me right and right now I’m flying solo and I’m clearly shit at it because I’ve been up for the chop twice.

I’m honestly here in good faith.
 
Don't worry about being on the chopping block, happens to everyone. Look rac and gir surely didn't play bad. They just happened to be the target of the day and scum uses every opportunity to misconstruct what town says.
 
I've honestly no idea how to hunt down scum and doubt myself every meter of the way. Most of the time you are wrong. Only sometimes you get lucky.
 
Splinter flipping Town has thrown me in a tizz now because most of my shifty feelings about Kyan were based on his votes coinciding with Splinter’s
 
But Kyan doesn't actually look better with Splinter flipping town? The probability of Kyan being scum is higher now.
 
But let's come back to Fran and Melon. What do you think about them? Can we safely assume their alignment?
 
Ah shit. Right.

See when Ty and Sorian both said that scum could have been AFK on the day of the hom3land vote (when Sawneeks suggested that surely any possible scummates would have jumped in on that to save him), that was the day when Kyan didn’t vote, yeah?

They wouldn’t be that obvious though, right?
 
Regarding that comment it would also apply to Benghis (Blarg) or Terraforce (turmoil). Furthermore a few players aren't able to be here because of timezone - but I honestly don't want to resort to these kind of methods to find scum.
 
I don’t know. I mostly feel yes but that last minute Sorian thing was weird. Like for him to claim partner with someone who already has a partner was really odd luck. We obvs know that Splinter was lying but it was insane that it outed melon and Fran in the process. And I still don’t know why Fran was still alive after the bet thing with Sorian. I get that Nicole’s claim was that she was bulletproof or immune or something so that would be why she’s alive (if scum were apprehensive about targeting her) but Fran’s was super vague.

I mean if he is Town that’s because he’s masons with melon so had to be vague to protect her too.
 
Sorian and Ty definitely avoided talking to one another in the thread, but I think it was more subconsciously.

There was a post from Kyan in which he explained how Fran made a none-claim. Kyan brought up the issue a few times I think?

Anyway, the line of thought was that Fran never committed to a claim and let others build a story. Fran himself said it was a bluff. He couldn't react to Swamped asking for clarification for example.

I think scum figured Fran didnt have a role.
 
Or at least they thought he doesn't have one.

Of course Fran could be scum and everything was made up, but I doubt it after today.
 
The could be Cordelia and Harmony.

Fluff-wise.

I’m trying to think of other Town-friendly pairs.

Also because the fluff seems to actually reflect what people can do.
 
It was Kyan who made a list of people who didn’t respond to Fran’s claim and then said it wasn’t really for anything. Just a list in case he wanted to come back to it

Sorry I’m bouncing back and forth between ideas here
 
Oh, but I see the role pm is quite clever.

I love diving into the fluff, but it's usually not really productive.

Keep the thoughts coming
 
So if Fran and melon are masons are they just generally able to know how each other is aligned then?

That would make sense that Fran said that he could confirm his alignment. He was going on the idea that melon could confirm him whenever it came down to it
 
I don't see a reason why melon/fran would act like they did at the end of the day as scum. If scum, why not let Splinter survive and use him as a mislynch tomorrow?

but instead they clarified and tied themselves together. It's a townie move, for me they are confirmed town.

If I take our townieness as given, we end up with this vote count:

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Looking at D1 the distribution is really odd. And at least one of Kyan / Turmoil(Terra) must be scum, possibly both.

I'm unsure about hom3land. I don't know if he's acting everything. He seems at times to a bit confused and without a clear path. His reactions seem genuine to me. I don't know if Sorian would hound him if it were his teammate.
 
Well, I'm flexible timewise, just think it would be beneficial to throw ideas at each other while we're both online. I'll look here for an answer every now and then.

Good night everyone!
 
Kyan has seemed just iffy. Like there’s been no smoking gun or anything but he’s not looking great.

And I agree with your thoughts on turmoil. I think he’s handling things with a little more finesse than Terraforce but looking at him today, he barely spoke when spoken to and seemed to just go for things that suited him.

Plus Ty’s response to me is the one that has me thinking that maybe Scum isn’t communicating much. Like turmoil threw out a read and a vote on Ty as if to make a show that he’s here and reading things and being all Townie but then people went “oh yeah” and agreed with him and Ty seemed to panic and question the people who agreed with it.

It did feel like a showy start that maybe backfired and Ty tried to pull it back a bit
 
Setting a time sounds good. I have a fairly crazy day tomorrow so could either chat after work or if I manage to scrap together enough time for a lunch break
 
There are a couple of things I'd like to discuss this evening, just throwing it in here for now:

How many scum do you expect to be left alive?

What are your thoughts on Ty's interaction with Inlcude? They discussed during D1 and in this last phase Ty put out a read. What was his intention?

Turmoil ignored basically everything anyone asked him. He came in and only said votes look like this, so I vote x. Have you seen Beserk or Ted and Bill mafia? Do you see any reason for his behaviour?

What do you think of Blarg?

Basically I need your current thoughts on everyone alive minus these four: melon, Fran, GoG, Gorlak
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Include
hom3
Swamped
turmoil
Flush
Stan
Blarg
Kyan
Nicole
Brazil

Splinter lynch was far too easy and it was too quiet at the day end (before the claim).
 
And can you decide who to block during the night? I understand the need to decide on gossip during the day. Have you ever had someone in mind you could've invited for N3?
 
I'll think of a way to covertly tell you my opinion near day end. Either code words or gifs will be involved. We'll only need this if you do not need to claim.

If one of us dies this night, do you think we need sth to prove that we were in this chat?
 
So if Fran and melon are masons are they just generally able to know how each other is aligned then?
Masons usually know each others alignment, character and share a chat, but they both claimed to be chatless. Something about neighbours, which I remember to have read somewhere. I'll go and look at the crumbs, but I'm fairly certain about them anyway. So chatless is just a weaker variant of normal Masons.
 
Does it feel to you that this is a scumteam that aren’t communicating much??
Plus Ty’s response to me is the one that has me thinking that maybe Scum isn’t communicating much. Like turmoil threw out a read and a vote on Ty as if to make a show that he’s here and reading things and being all Townie but then people went “oh yeah” and agreed with him and Ty seemed to panic and question the people who agreed with it.

Can you link Ty's response (just if I don't find it soon)? I can't really assess if this scum team communicates or not.

Kyan has seemed just iffy. Like there’s been no smoking gun or anything but he’s not looking great.
This applies to Ty4on and Sorian as well.
 
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