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[Faddy]

@Faddy

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so is there a role that counters the anarchy or was I RBd n1

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There is a direct counter role

 

[CrimsonFist]

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Two counters for a fairly benign neutral?

 

[Natiko]

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Two counters for a fairly benign neutral?

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One that’s still very likely to win fairly fast to be fair.

 

[Faddy]

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One that’s still very likely to win fairly fast to be fair.

At the pace mafia are losing it could be quite a race.

 

[Natiko]

At the pace mafia are losing it could be quite a race.

Ehhh, town will probably throw a couple mislynches in there just because. Scum honestly would be in a pretty good position still if it weren’t for that ballsy vig shot.

 

[heymonkey]

Town is actively working on those mislynches right now, in fact!

 

[Stuart444]

Ehhh, town will probably throw a couple mislynches in there just because. Scum honestly would be in a pretty good position still if it weren’t for that ballsy vig shot.

Unless I'm mistaken, it wasn't a Vig shot, it was a CC card that Xbro got?

People are right about Grizzly, he was playing the super long game lol.

Also again with the 'bad fake' claim on me. Unless I'm misunderstanding the word "Fake" - it wasn't fake. I didn't tell a lie. I just hid the fact that I was a scum cop lol.

If it wasn't for Grizz being taken out, I'd have been at least 80% sure Scum would win. now I'm at 10%

 

[Stuart444]

That said, I am keeping a close eye on things now and hoping I can adjust my game next time. I'd like to live beyond N2 next time >_>

 

[The Bear]

Xbro should have told he shot me. Now if he claims it once he becomes a lynch candidate, people have less reasons to trust him.

 

[Stuart444]

It's so quiet this day phase. With almost all discussion revolving around rereading me and Grizz lol.

 

[The Bear]

We are the stars of the show even when we are dead :P

 

[Stuart444]

It's funny, I had no real master plan, I wasn't trying to do anything special. Rereading me wouldn't amount to much really.

 

[The Bear]

If town would actually try to look at my play, they would notoce I didn't interact eith one of the remaining scum at all.

 

[The Bear]

Instead they assume I was bussing literally everyone at once.

 

[Stuart444]

Again, I'll say this. Town is a paranoid mess.

They put waaaay too much stock into reading past posts and conjuring something out of nothing.

 

[Stuart444]

It is fun to spectate though lol.

 

[faircure]

Go nin o/

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I'm so happy he wants to reconsider outside of both town wagons and @'ed both scum in one post

 

[Stuart444]

Go nin o/

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I'm so happy he wants to reconsider outside of both town wagons and @'ed both scum in one post

Gotta admit

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@ing both Scum in one post made me laugh.

 

[Faddy]

Well after town did a superb job of keeping their tokens a secret Apollo has given his up.

I wonder how mafia will react.

 

[Stuart444]

That's a dangerous play from Apollo. Considering two Scum were outed and one of them had a range, it gives the other Scum a token that can use when it lines up with their ranges.

 

[Alexem]

To be honest, given that town have never really trusted him, I'd have thought it would be easier for scum to leave Apollo alone and let him get mislynched. As things stand, I can't really see him gaining town's trust without some kind of upset in his favour.

 

[The Bear]

If I was still alive, I wouldn't bother NK:ing apollo.

 

[Stuart444]

If I was still alive, I wouldn't bother NK:ing apollo.

Yeah, if he survived this somehow, leaving him alive would be better for a later lynch.

Brazil is acting really odd though this day.

 

[Stuart444]

This has all of a sudden got REALLY interesting.

 

[Stuart444]

I wish I was still in the game now.

I HATE this phrase buuuuut...

calling me Stewart, even that one time triggers me >_>

 

[Stuart444]

Town are suspicious of everyone apart from those who are actually Scum.

It's funny to watch.

 

[faircure]

talk about one use cards is giving me horrible flashbacks

but at least they're working in this game :')

 

[Faddy]

talk about one use cards is giving me horrible flashbacks

but at least they're working in this game :')

Did you ever show everyone what your exact role was? Or what cards you could get.

 

[CrimsonFist]

Dead air dead townie does tend to hold up as a rule.

Unfortunately by the time anyone notices, it's too late and most of town are set on the lynch.

 

[The Bear]

All of Xbro's arguments were perfectly justifiable. Very good play from him.

Only one that is false is the "he knows how I play as town" - I don't. I didn't remember anything about it from LB2 days, so that is a bad meta argument.

 

[TearablePuns]

If both ZPH and Brazil are scum this time around, I can see scum taking the W this game.
This is so interesting. I’m not liking the way Donna is acting. Idk, something seems off

 

[The Bear]

Poor Apollo. He got screwed over me being super lazy when making posts about him. And people thought it was some scum master plan.

 

[Stuart444]

He was so close to a Turnabout as well haha.

 

[The Bear]

For future town players: Not everything I do is a major scum conspiracy plan. Just 99% is ;).

 

[Stuart444]

For future town players: Not everything I do is a major scum conspiracy plan. Just 99% is ;).

You played so well. If I was town, I wouldn't have been read you as Scum at all.

 

[The Bear]

You played so well. If I was town, I wouldn't have been read you as Scum at all.

Xbro was in a good position to scum read me since lot of his reads were specifically tied to him one way or another.

 

[Stuart444]

Xbro was in a good position to scum read me since lot of his reads were specifically tied to him one way or another.

and instead of scum reading you, he NK'd you.

RIP

 

[Stuart444]

and instead of scum reading you publicly, he NK'd you.

RIP

 

[The Bear]

and instead of scum reading you, he NK'd you.

RIP

I mean, he had no reason to do it publically, especially since he said that his read was heavily tied to your flip.

 

[Stuart444]

I mean, he had no reason to do it publically, especially since he said that his read was heavily tied to your flip.

I know, I just found it funny that he scum read you, got a card that allows NKs and then NK'd you with it.

 

[The Bear]

I know, I just found it funny that he scum read you, got a card that allows NKs and then NK'd you with it.

Can't plan for everything. It was a series of unfortunate events.

 

[Stuart444]

Can't plan for everything. It was a series of unfortunate events.

 

[Sawneeks]

Again, I'll say this. Town is a paranoid mess.

They put waaaay too much stock into reading past posts and conjuring something out of nothing.

You just summed up Town in 3 sentences lol. We love em, even if they are wrong 90% of the time. :p

 

[Apollo]

Not my best game /o\

But on the plus side, getting lynched was a very valuable experience!

 

[The Bear]

Not my best game /o\

But on the plus side, getting lynched was a very valuable experience!

Maybe town learns a lesson from this, though.

 

[Apollo]

I sure hope so.

 

[faircure]

Did you ever show everyone what your exact role was? Or what cards you could get.

Haha, I kept offering but I don't think anyone wanted to be the one to go through all thirty odd abilities with a fine comb. I think I only claimed cards I had used or ones that would be relevant to the situation.

 

[Sawneeks]

Catching up right now and want to say that Comrade Kyan is a treasure. Your work brings glory to the Revolution, Kyaaa!

 

[Flush]

Not my best game /o\

But on the plus side, getting lynched was a very valuable experience!

Hold on, YOU are Apollo? Huh. I didn't know that.

 

[SweetNicole]

@Faddy

Where did my boy muffin bomb?

 

[Faddy]

@Faddy

Where did my boy muffin bomb?

Mayfair.

You should have sent him your spreadsheet

 

[Stuart444]

Mayfair.

You should have sent him your spreadsheet

Good man...

I'd have bombed the same place >_>

 

[The Bear]

I'm surprised Xbro died. I was expecting protection there.

 

[Alexem]

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Another property destroyed and one that has nothing to do with the cards at all.

I think this at least confirms that we have a rolepower (anarchist?) among us

Now, is that one hell of a guess or is there something more going on with Donna?...

 

[Stuart444]

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Now, is that one hell of a guess or is there something more going on with Donna?...

Well with no C or CC cards, what else could it be?

I'm more surprised someone guessed the condition for the neutral win. Not the amount but that they need a specific amount to win.

 

[Stuart444]

I wonder who Brazil trusts... can't be muffin since they just entered the game. not sure who else.

 

[Faddy]

Oh yeah Chance and Community Chest Cards

Muffin - Go back to the nearest open space
Kyanrute - Double Vote

 

[Stuart444]

Oh yeah Chance and Community Chest Cards

Muffin - Go back to the nearest open space
Kyanrute - Double Vote

So if it's close, Kyan could potentially control the lynch (and reveal his token)

Does it have to be used in the same day it's given?

 

[Geno]

Wait, so you allowed Muffin to bomb the same place Nicole did, kind of unfair tbh, you should've told him Nicole had already placed a bomb there.

 

[Faddy]

Wait, so you allowed Muffin to bomb the same place Nicole did, kind of unfair tbh, you should've told him Nicole had already placed a bomb there.

Why not? It is a bomb Geno not lightning.

 

[Faddy]

So if it's close, Kyan could potentially control the lynch (and reveal his token)

Does it have to be used in the same day it's given?

All his votes have to be double today.

All cards with the exception of Get Out of Jail Free have to be used immediately.

 

[Stuart444]

All his votes have to be double today.

All cards with the exception of Get Out of Jail Free have to be used immediately.

Ah.

Well the Get out of Jail card is obvious at least. Just like the real board game. Get a card, use it when you land that roll that puts you on "Go to Jail" spot lol.

 

[Stuart444]

This comrade would personally flip the question around. Why is it likely to have ranges between 12 and unlimited? For the same reason why it was possible for comrade Apollo's role to be a capitalist role: coverage against death by RNG. Of course, who knows if the General Secretary and the Party Committee shared this concern, so without a grand proletariat reveal-it-all I think answering the range question is unfeasible at this point.

I like the way Kyan phrases this

Maybe I'm just getting used to the way he's posting now haha.

 

[Xbro]

Ah, here we are. Well this was fun. All according to plan.

 

[Stuart444]

Ah, here we are. Well this was fun. All according to plan.

Well played to you bringing down Grizzly like that.

 

[The Bear]

Ah, here we are. Well this was fun. All according to plan.

Great job with sniping me!

 

[Xbro]

Lul had 2 scum scans unlucky. The way I play cop is always act scummy but not scummy enough to warrant a lynch, that way you kind of avoid getting killed.

This is my way of playing in general lol. I can get a lot of information when the limelight is on me.

Only one that is false is the "he knows how I play as town" - I don't. I didn't remember anything about it from LB2 days, so that is a bad meta argument.

Yeah I knew that perfectly well. It was why I never brought it up to you. What it did, was got my eyes turned to you.

Xbro was in a good position to scum read me since lot of his reads were specifically tied to him one way or another.

This is why I like a bit of the limelight. In a game where you have a limited amount of information, you use what pieces of information you do have to figure things out. When I know all the information about one side of the spectrum, it's easier to deduce the other.

 

[Stuart444]

Muffin claimed the neutral role...

 

[CrimsonFist]

I don't think that's going to end well for him...

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Plus I have a feeling that the direct counter to him Faddy mentioned is also a neutral, probably lyncher or similar.

 

[Faddy]

Well someone knows a reason the bomb on Mayfair did not explode AND it does explicitly say on the Chance Card that the Oxford Street demolition kills players.

So it might turn against Muffin on the premise that town is ahead and can afford to lynch the neutral.

 

[Stuart444]

If I was still in the game, I'd be saying in Scum chat

"We don't HAVE to kill Muffin but I want to"

It'd be a scum move to kill a player who you don't have to as they pose no threat. And as scum, I think doing a scummy kill would be great.

 

[Stuart444]

Especially with someone who is so close to winning haha.

 

[CrimsonFist]

If Mayfair is destroyed and someone gets the go to Mayfair card, do they die or just go straight to Go?

 

[Stuart444]

If Mayfair is destroyed and someone gets the go to Mayfair card, do they die or just go straight to Go?

Muffin answered that they go to the next open spot. No risk of random death like that.

 

[Faddy]

If Mayfair is destroyed and someone gets the go to Mayfair card, do they die or just go straight to Go?

They would land on Go

 

[Sawneeks]

Muffin with those Bold Plays. Kinda hope it works out for him actually, he's doing the right thing trying to ask for another Day when he can win so easily. It's really up to the counter role whether or not to let him get his easy win.

also Muffin and Nicole being Neutrals again is really amusing.

 

[Stuart444]

I really want to know what this counter role is now as well.

 

[Faddy]

Muffin with those Bold Plays. Kinda hope it works out for him actually, he's doing the right thing trying to ask for another Day when he can win so easily. It's really up to the counter role whether or not to let him get his easy win.

also Muffin and Nicole being Neutrals again is really amusing.

From my PMs with the person who could stop him I don't get the impression they will let Muffin win, but that was before the claim.

I don't know how closely they read their role PM though so might not have latched onto the potential consequences.

 

[CrimsonFist]

If they're town aligned, the very existence of their role should be a red flag

 

[Stuart444]

From my PMs with the person who could stop him I don't get the impression they will let Muffin win, but that was before the claim.

I don't know how closely they read their role PM though so might not have latched onto the potential consequences.

And now I am VERY curious

 

[Sawneeks]

I really want to know what this counter role is now as well.

If they're town aligned, the very existence of their role should be a red flag

it's a very interesting role with a neat 'drawback'. It could easily be beneficial to that person to just let Muffin win if they want to play risky, it may actually work out for them in the end if they go that route.

But given what Faddy just said...we'll have to see what they do. They could have easily missed the tiny hint in their PM. >.>

 

[CrimsonFist]

So now guessing neutral with a survivor clause if Muffin wins.

Guess Brazil is one of the masons.

 

[Stuart444]

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So Brazil is reading Sophia as town lol.

 

[faircure]

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do I dare hope that Brazil's strong town read of Sophia is another mini gambit
):

 

[Xbro]

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Maybe they should just start lynching everyone on the Stuart train. They'll eventually hit the scum.

 

[Stuart444]

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Maybe they should just start lynching everyone on the Stuart train. They'll eventually hit the scum.

They should but it doesn't seem likely atm :P

 

[heymonkey]

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do I dare hope that Brazil's strong town read of Sophia is another mini gambit
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LOL doubtful

 

[Sawneeks]

Brazil is putting in some really, really good work and I've been enjoying watching him take up the Town mantle again after seeing him as Scum so much. He just...has to work on his aim a little bit. And never trust a certain scummy ever again.

 

[Sawneeks]

For my baby boy Brazil:

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love, sneeks

 

[Stuart444]

And never trust a certain scummy ever again.

huh?

 

[Sawneeks]

huh?

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finding out Sophia is Scum is going to really sting, especially after that glowing Town read. it's something that you don't forget.

 

[The Bear]

I think masons should claim D5. At that point they would clear +20% of players.

 

[The Bear]

Kyan is doing the right play.

 

[The Bear]

And when I said good play, I meant from scum pov ;)

 

[heymonkey]

For my baby boy Brazil:

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love, sneeks

co-signed 100%

 

[Faddy]

Oh I see that play DCPat! He wants someone to say Stuart scanned Nicole on night 1 and that is how Donna knows so much about the neutral.

 

[Alexem]

Now that's a crafty move. I approve.

 

[Stuart444]

I think masons should claim D5. At that point they would clear +20% of players.

So I probably should have asked this before but Mason?

Oh I see that play DCPat! He wants someone to say Stuart scanned Nicole on night 1 and that is how Donna knows so much about the neutral.

Not gonna lie, it still hurts to think about how we scanned the person we killed N1 ;_;

 

[Stuart444]

Sophia looks like she'll be a hard one to track down with the way things are going. Or unless she messes up somehow.

 

[Faddy]

So I probably should have asked this before but Mason?

Not gonna lie, it still hurts to think about how we scanned the person we killed N1 ;_;

The thing that shoud hurt even more is that it was a bad scan anyway.

You should have been targeting pieces close to your partners in case Grizzly died. You went for the most out of the way piece.

DCPat is in a bad spot here. It isn't so much that there are strong scum reads on him, it is the fact no one has a town read on him. Maybe nin? But in the list of partners for Pat, nin would be right at the top.