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Exactly. There's no way that works.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
I mean, that's the part where they lose the game 100%.
That's the beauty of spectating mafia.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I have been impressed with her play all game. She hasn't always been right but she has been one of the most logical thinkers on town.
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Don't forget that she's counting her own token in her list of suspects. With Kalor and Muffin as known quantities, the only one she doesn't know is the dog. Given that she's wasted no time in pointing out how dubious DCPat's vote was yesterday, she's setting up a pretty strong argument if she can tie the two threads together and - importantly - get the others on board.
It seems to me that Sophia's already preparing for the option of bussing DCPat, though, so if that does happen, I suppose the big question would be how convincingly she could do it?Sophia said:
I suspect she is also trying to prepare a super town read of Ketkat incase. That way, she flips and the focus will be on Ketkat.
Just an assumption because Sophia said she was trying to do that early on with Nicole when she was still in the game.
That hammer from DCPat is hard to defend as well, she'd be looked on suspiciously if she tried to defend it I feel.
Sawneeks
little green dog
Could you imagine being Scum and making it to Lylo only for that to happen!? That would be hilarious and the most frustrating thing in the world lol.
If I was a Mason in that position, I'd want to make the most of it.
Maybe get my Mason partner to hone in on me, go at me for most of the day while I post about random stuff. And then 1 hour from end, be all like "btw, we're masons" with a one-two vote to lynch the scum.
I know that sounds totally evil but it'd be hilarious to mess with Scum as a mason in that position lol.
Sawneeks
little green dog
oooooooh, that's evil. I love it, seems like something Masons in this community would do too haha.
YES
YES
I like you, Stuart. This is exactly what I'd do. I'd put up one hell of a show.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I was to turn into a neutral survivor when the neutral wins.
Still pushing for Kalor I see.
If people start mass claiming tokens, it might end up working and saving Kalor (again) and lead Town to victory.
I agree with this from Scum chat though:
"Town's downfall will be due to the really slow pace of the game. Nobody wants to prod, nobody wants to push. So anyone who even remotely does looks like a town leader, and the rest of town is indistinguishable from scum."
If people start mass claiming tokens, it might end up working and saving Kalor (again) and lead Town to victory.
I agree with this from Scum chat though:
"Town's downfall will be due to the really slow pace of the game. Nobody wants to prod, nobody wants to push. So anyone who even remotely does looks like a town leader, and the rest of town is indistinguishable from scum."
CrimsonFist
Neutral Vanilla
How many Town Points is this swap move worth?
Xbro
Bags his own tea
I had a good chuckle.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
The thing is he could have totally faked it. Sophia kills nin, Muffin wins tomorrow. No one is any the wiser. Now they are locked into killing Kalor tonight. Or if Kalor gets lynched, only Muffin is in range which does nothing.
I don't get the play at all. There is zero upside to this strategy and it was barely talked out in mafia chat.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
It could have benefited town as well. Someone could have secretly blocked a mafia player by swapping them with a token in jail.
That is why the card has the option of posting publicly in the game thread or by PM. And why I am not updating the map.
Xbro
Bags his own tea
Yeah I'm going by this case and how much Pat squandered it.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Don't count your chickens yet Brazil.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
It has been an issue all game. Pat is just super cautious all the time. And maybe he has won games as mafia doing that in other games but this set up really required a more pro-active mafia team.
Grizzly tried to do that until someone shot him.
If they lynch Kalor today, Muffin is literally the only one they can kill overnight, isn’t he?
That’s what I meant. They wouldn’t be able to reach anyone other than Muffin.
CrimsonFist
Neutral Vanilla
Bold gambit, needs to claim actions for town to buy it though, and it's a very easy claim to get caught out on.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Yeah but that actually isn't a bad thing.
The player numbers go to 6. Then they still only need one mislynch and one NK for the win.
Lynch Kalor > Kill Muffin
Lynch Ketkat > Kill nin
Win.
There's no way they'd lynch Ketkat before DCPat.
CrimsonFist
Neutral Vanilla
Should have gone with something really believable, like Town Hookers
They aren't wrong.
- If DCPat is lynched today:
Sophia kills nin tonight, Muffin probably wins. Kalor, Ketkat and Sophia will be up for the following lynch, and Kalor probably goes down. On LyLo, the remaining mason will have to choose between lynching Ketkat and Sophia.
This is scum's best shot.
- If Kalor is lynched today:
They'll be forced to kill Muffin, and since they all have claimed their pieces, the 4 remaining town players will know that the dog and the t-rex are the remaining scum, because they're the only combination of pieces that couldn't reach any town player.
Maybe Sophia could shoot DCPat and claim to be a vig? Even then, they'd have to find a way to explain why the hypothetical other scum, being in the little group in the corner, didn't take the shot at a nearby townie. It won't work.
Xbro
Bags his own tea
If my assumptions are correct, in the event of a DCPat lynch, Sophia's best option is to not kill anyone the next night and make it seem as though the kill was blocked by nin , and keep kalor on the chopping block and the suspected token list as long as possible. She'll have to pray she lands some serious doubles though to catch up to the other tokens.
I don't think so.
If DCPat dies, Sophia gets unlimited range as she becomes the last scum alive. I think.
Which is a bit eh, because they'll still be caught up in the range limitations that persist throughout the entire game to every other role.
Yeah, I think it all depends on whether they think nin can save himself or not. Kalor is the one mislynch they can count on, though. It's a hard position to be in.
Xbro
Bags his own tea
The other option though is if kalor is lynched today they can opt not to kill anyone and instead make it look like the shot was blocked by nin.
DCPat would most likely be put up for a Lynch on the next day. Then Sophia can safely take out nin and depending on where the tokens are at that point she can use the preconceived notion of the range to her advantage and push the blame on to ketkat.
DCPat would most likely be put up for a Lynch on the next day. Then Sophia can safely take out nin and depending on where the tokens are at that point she can use the preconceived notion of the range to her advantage and push the blame on to ketkat.
I saw that and if anyone is paying attention that could turn into a thing.
Yup. Nice move from DCPat.
I don’t think Kalor will fall for that.
Still, stuff like this is why you hammer obvious scum at day start. You give them time and eventually they’ll come up with something to obfuscate. DCPat’s theory is literally just a retread of what Ketkat herself has been saying since Day start, and yet people are gonna reread stuff over that.
If you just look somewhat reasonable and throw in a couple of “scum wouldn’t be this obvious” moves, town will bend itself backwards to accommodate you.
Hopefully this helps clear up Ketkat when DCPat goes, at least.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Exactly. Never lynch Sophia
That’s literally what I mean. He needs to reread me and do the exact opposite of what I said I’d do. He should know better.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I'll confirm that once we are down to 1 mafia their kill range is removed.
Mafia screwed themselves last night. Sophia had a one shot unranged kill that they used on Brazil despite knowing DCPat was in range.
If they had that tonight then if DCPat lived they could take out a mason tonight no matter who got lynched.
Mafia screwed themselves last night. Sophia had a one shot unranged kill that they used on Brazil despite knowing DCPat was in range.
If they had that tonight then if DCPat lived they could take out a mason tonight no matter who got lynched.
Pat is putting on the work! Good job!! Come on scums win it for me, you deserve it after losing your most powerful PR.
I wanna see town mislynch Ketkat for entertainments value, I mean the poor girl is literally getting voted by the theory she herself presented previously and yet Pat is reaping of the benefits of her work... People didn't read wall of text confirmed.
I wanna see town mislynch Ketkat for entertainments value, I mean the poor girl is literally getting voted by the theory she herself presented previously and yet Pat is reaping of the benefits of her work... People didn't read wall of text confirmed.
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They knew my token? Hmm. Were they afraid of a tracker on DCPat?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
They missed you the night before with Sophia. And her range eliminated a whole bunch of tokens.
So the next night all your possible tokens were in range for DCPat.
Xbro
Bags his own tea
I'm actually laughing pretty hard right now.
Okay, so with ketkat lynched, muffin and kalor gone in the night, it is now scum vs masons and nin. Using Pat's own logic(well, ketkat's logic) against him, it should be pretty obvious who the scum are. Town will still probably find a way to screw it up, but in the event that they don't, it'll be the masons vs Sophia vs nin. Sophia is going to have to play a lot better than she is now, but it is possible.
Okay, so with ketkat lynched, muffin and kalor gone in the night, it is now scum vs masons and nin. Using Pat's own logic(well, ketkat's logic) against him, it should be pretty obvious who the scum are. Town will still probably find a way to screw it up, but in the event that they don't, it'll be the masons vs Sophia vs nin. Sophia is going to have to play a lot better than she is now, but it is possible.
Xbro
Bags his own tea
If they do this then they can fairly easily make it look like the kill was blocked by nin. I fully believe this to be the ideal scenario for scum. Places where this can go wrong is, ketkat is able to defend herself and avoid a lynch, town gets smart on the next day(not likely), and nin opts not to protect anyone(which would involve him having faith that kalor wasn't scum)
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Xbro
Bags his own tea
What is the actual plan they are following through on?