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Gut says: Lux may be lynched today. Those posts scream nervous.
Why turmoil? He's been fairly non-offensive so far.I would say he feels kinda insecure like a new player or someone who hasn't played for a while. He was seeking approval and kinda trying to fit in, not sure scums would be that obvious.
If I was playing I would have gone for turmoil.
Why turmoil? He's been fairly non-offensive so far.
Why was it bad aside from being the wrong answer?
Also Stanley knows me so well.
Was L_P really that scummy? We ding the guy for not posting enough and when he actually makes a decent contribution you shoot him for no good reason. So in the Resetera meta it feels like bad play.
And actually shooting as a 1 shot vigi on night 1 is probably always bad, it is a valuable tool to hit mafia and unless you have a very confident read your power is going to waste. Even if you die with the shot left it would have confirmed no SK for town. I think there is a lot more upside to not shooting last night in this sort of setup.
Using the vig shot as early as possible is always the correct move. It gives more information up front while not changing lylo (assuming correct play later which I know our meta tends not to do but we have before).
He was my scum read, just because he gave more doesn’t mean he gave a lot and the correct shot is always going to be the other wagon (which I was heavily town reading) or someone low activity. rac or lp fit the bill, I 50/50’d wrong
But how do you know you aren't changing LYLO? With 50% of setups having an SK it is hard to work out just how many mislynches town has before day 2 starts.
I can see the argument for shooting L_P off his different play and vote logic fwiw but I still think it is a low% move.
Because it's a game with an odd number of players from the start, regardless of what was active, my one kill will always just turn a LYLO into MYLO and because of the vig kill, the correct play is to no lynch at the mylo. Whether that would/will actually happen is up for debate obviously but taking into account the fact that I'm never long for the world when I'm town and that I'm always of the opinion that more info is always better, I don't really regret the play. If anything, I regret not pushing Gorlak more because I wanted to but I didn't want to deal with him going aggro on me day 1 since he usually has early sway.
just checked the game ot
- Plurality Lynch (the person with the most votes at the end of every day phase is out) - town may not no lynch.
But if there was an SK then it is 3 night kills and it goes to 9. Then if town miss again it could be 6 and the game is over if mafia killed the SK in the night.
You don't shoot and you can be pretty sure it is min 10 alive unless there are 2 vigs. Then you have 2 days worth of votes and flips to save the game if town misses on day 2.
Then @Fireblend is a baddie and didn't fix the rules since:
21. Players may use [ HIGHLIGHT ]VOTE: No Lynch[ /HIGHLIGHT ] to end the Day Phase without a lynch ("No Lynch"). It must also be in an entirely separate line from any other text.
Is still there. :P
With my shot and a SK:
13 players -> 9 players -> 6 players (LYLO if all misses)
Without my shot and a SK
13 players -> 10 players -> 7 players (MYLO if all misses)
Assuming full 3 person scum team too so absolute worse scenarios. It ends up being the same since that mylo isn't technically the case with two kills since if the SK hits town too then it's over.
I think shooting was the right play. Obviously I wish it wasn't me but it does give info on the setup and with his reputation, Sorian wouldn't last long anyway.
Well I read the spoilers.
town is in a hard place isn't it
I hope we have a cop with a good reading and a claim at the exact moment to wreak havoc
Also scumchat plz
Town also needs to be more, well, Town. There are some Scum acting more Townie than some Town players at this point and it's fumbling reads in the wrong direction.
"but the simple fact that you two are playing the way you are compared to the rest of the players here is enough of a red flag for me. I really doubt the entire scum team is laying low and barely posting. Someone must be taking charge for that faction."
both are playing normally, so that's a scum tell????
Natiko said:My scum picks are:
OJ or Gorlak
If a third exists...idk. Feel a lot less confident at this level until we get more info. Would need to see who the NKs are going forward. To help whittle it down.
It does seem we disagree on the OJ connection to Gorlak though which is interesting.
Yeah, doesn't seem like the majority of the players are trying to guess the roles? But it's hard to try to read others when they're so quiet, which is why I don't understand Brazil thinks scum *has* to be talkative in this scenario
Okay, Brazil, I forgive you :P
though you could have created a better bait
I just showed that shooting is absolutely the wrong play. And Sorian's response was bad math where he claimed town still had a chance when they actually just lose.
You didn’t at all, I know you want to pretend this is a black and white thing where you’re right but that’s not how mafia works. No shit town loses if everyone that can kill keeps hitting town. Thanks for the lesson in nothing. Always use the tools you have.
Anyway, fep’s vote is super awkward, maybe it’s brcause I tuned out the middle part of the day but I don’t see why he would ever drop that there.
Ok show me how town win a 3v3. You said it was LYLO, but if 3 mafia stack then with our rules that is a no lynch and a loss.
Town get both a save/block and vig kill to get back to having a majority in the day. The exact set up would need to be M VVV D ? T
If the SK is alive then it is 3 v 2 v 1. Even if the SK hits mafia, as long as the mafia kill goes through then town can't win.
And in both these scenarios the mafia have a roleblocker to enhance their powers.
So no-shooting night 1 as a 1-shot vig guarantees that day 2 isn't MYLO
I agree about FEP's vote.
The situation only comes up with a living SK. They can’t stack their votes because then the SK can just pick them off while they have to kill the SK. If the SK has a BP then they are going to lose that majority as well.
Since they can’t stack their votes they still have to play the 3v3 coyly and if town has a scum figured out, they’ll have to play along with the bus.
If they can determine who the SK is then they can win with the roleblock. And mafia not winning isn't the same thing as town winning.
Even in that shit situation, town has the advantage over the SK easily. Not all the set ups also have the scum roleblocker with what was known either so /shrug to that.
I don’t see why you don’t make the shot as early as possible. The minuscule odds of the game ending super early are there but it almost never happens in practice since the SK has to aim for scum if mylo even mildly gets close.
Probably, even though it was a super awkward sticky vote.
Every possible combination that is not MV 5T has a roleblocker from your perspective.
Holding the shot eliminates more players and gives more information to shoot with. It is that simple. Unless you have a super strong read, hold until night 2.
Can I ask, if you had lived do you claim the shot on L_P?
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What happened to the rest of the players?
I don't know if claiming now or later, but it should be done today I think
so scum knows that natiko is not the last PR, and the doc knows that natiko is town(or the RB knows that FEP is scum, which would be catastrophic for the scum team)
Town had a super lucky turn of events since yesterday's days end
Mafia actions stuff
I just saw the mafia actions, did they discuss the reasons for using both the actions on a single player? If one player is the role blocker they have to hit the exact mafia to make a difference so the need to RB and kill them seems not optimal. Likewise if they are a doctor he cannot self heal and if they are a 1-shot cop they are dead before they can say their result.
Spreading out powers gives a higher chance of either killing or blocking a cop, or killing or blocking a doctor