Pair Thread Game of Thrones Lovers Thread - Love Is Poison

Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
goddamn Fep is tunneling you hard, and for actually like no reason.
not even a bad reason, just no real reason.

And no, while this community hardly plays any kind of optimally, this is far FAR beyond the average for terrible plays in our games.
 
dragon mom

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
B-dubs said:
Is every game you guys play like this? Just town kicking itself in the dick day after day? Does no one ever consider the fact they might be wrong?

As you can tell, I am desperately trying not to go off on this utter moron in the actual thread.

Three days in a row, we're victim to dumbass bullshit that's stopping us from taking real action. At least the fool didn't fake a red check.
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Town has the disadvantage of not knowing all the information. Scum has the advantage almost always because they know who’s NOT being hunted.

Not every game is like this. Maybe it’s because it’s actually living up to it’s Game of Thrones crazy twists and turns reputation. Lol.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

Anyway, if we wind up dead I do apologise for that. I've just got no way of knowing how to difuse a trap meant to kill me.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
if we wind up dead it will be in no way your fault dude, they are being fucking moronic and its honestly starting to get to me.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
on some metaphysical level this may be my fault,
its been a kind of runing gag for most of the last few games iv been in that i get heavily scum read for damn near no reason,
it seems that curse might have jumped on to you for this game.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

I didn't miss it, so you probably didn't either, but neither Zeusy nor FEP has explained why I'm public enemy #1 all of a sudden. They've both decided I must die and that's it.

I'd reached the same conclusion as Fanto, only on the prior page and wasn't as obvious with it. I have a feeling if I survive this we aren't making it past the next night phase.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Yeah i noticed,
with Fep i think its just a genuine tunnel, iv been on the receiving end of them plenty and this feels like the usual tunnel psychology, where a small infraction quickly grows into a certainty, and any opposition just galvanizes it.
in this respect my arguing with fep is much less about him and more for everyone else reading him, i have like zero hope in actually changing feps mind, but i might be able to stop people from listening to him.

Zeusy on the other hand is FAR more suspect, he still has no reason, nor any kind of genuine passion for seeing you as scum, imma be looking into him further today and see if i cant really sus him out.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

Seriously, what the shit does FEP want? Me to scum read people I don't scum read? How am I supposed to bring up their suspicious posts when I don't think they have any?
 
dragon mom

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
B-Dubs for what it’s worth I think you’re doing an awesome job and you should definitely play again.

Not every game is like this. I promise.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

Seriously, either he is beyond dumb as hell or he's scum. I refuse to believe anyone is that dumb, so he must be scum caught in someone else's trap.
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Have we mentioned yet these threads become public after the game ends? lol
 
dragon mom

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
Yeahhhhh, in game rules apply here as well.

Please be courteous and stop it with the name calling. I get you’re frustrated but there is no need for that.
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
B-dubs said:
Replace me after this day ends if I survive. I'm tired of all this.
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Are you sure? I think you're doing well given the situation. I know being drilled can be frustrating, but this thunderdome won't last forever.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

Natiko said:
Are you sure? I think you're doing well given the situation. I know being drilled can be frustrating, but this thunderdome won't last forever.
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Fine, I'll think about it. But if I do ask to go, or die, I want you to pass on this message: "I hold no grudges, that ain't who I am, but I do feel like I never even got to play the game I was promised."
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
B-dubs said:
Fine, I'll think about it. But if I do ask to go, or die, I want you to pass on this message: "I hold no grudges, that ain't who I am, but I do feel like I never even got to play the game I was promised."
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I will if it comes to that. Just keep at it, there’s multiple paths that can result in you living through the day and then the thunder dome will end.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
If you sub out i certainly wont blame you. So dont stay in on my account.

I will say i hope you come back. Considering how well you dealth with this farce of a game i imagine you would be extremely good at a more normal game.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

StanleyPalmtree said:
If you sub out i certainly wont blame you. So dont stay in on my account.

I will say i hope you come back. Considering how well you dealth with this farce of a game i imagine you would be extremely good at a more normal game.
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It's been an honor to team with you. You're good people.
 
Natiko

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I do hope you keep in mind this game has played out abnormally B-dubs. We would love to have you back in a future game, one that would likely be a lot less contentious and grueling.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

You know, if scum is clever we might live through this night. Lynch FEP, leave us for the angry townies who feel lied to
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Thats certainly possible but i doubt town will immediately turn on us. The idea that scum will do just that is fairly common.
If scum does decide to target someone else i would expect we will be okay for the next day phase at least, with suspicion mountung against us exponentially for each day we survive after that.
Tho we also become a more and more tempting target for scum overtime, so really its just a matter hoping we at least get a day or two and are able to make the most of them.

scums may also think that we might be protected since we are a kind of an obvious target, but i wouldn't count on that since even if one of us is protected we both still die if scum happened to shoot the other one.

Also these theories are assuming that town doesnt act like nonsensical crazy people, which is honestly all i can expect from them at this point.
 
dragon mom

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
I love you guys, never change.

This game has not gone the way we expected it to. We should have known game of thrones mafia would be true to it’s name
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

StanleyPalmtree said:
Thats certainly possible but i doubt town will immediately turn on us. The idea that scum will do just that is fairly common.
If scum does decide to target someone else i would expect we will be okay for the next day phase at least, with suspicion mountung against us exponentially for each day we survive after that.
Tho we also become a more and more tempting target for scum overtime, so really its just a matter hoping we at least get a day or two and are able to make the most of them.

scums may also think that we might be protected since we are a kind of an obvious target, but i wouldn't count on that since even if one of us is protected we both still die if scum happened to shoot the other one.

Also these theories are assuming that town doesnt act like nonsensical crazy people, which is honestly all i can expect from them at this point.
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I'm expecting them to assume that town will keep acting in the way it has, ie making the wrong move every day and constantly diverting from any actual potential investigations.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

If FEP moves to lynch us today he's probably scum. FEP used the melon thing to essentially take control of the town and hasn't been playing this smart.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
yeah probably, just dont make any throwaway accusations at him, will will come off as an OMGUS (which if you dont know already stands for "oh my god you suck", basically its when a player scum reads someone for no reason beyond said person scumreading them).
build a full case against him for the rest of town to really dig into themselves, imma see if i cant also do the same.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

His day one feels vapid to start, is on the Blarg train, then jumps around to seemingly maintain the tie vote for some reason. I get Blarg because he was annoying, but most of the jumps are unexplained and a lot of posts seemed like they might have been there just to be there. But I'm not really sure if that's how day 1 usually goes or not.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

This is hard if only because we've never flipped a scum and I'm not entirely sure what to look for other than inconsistent statements.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

The weird thing is, despite hounding me, he's never given a read on who or what he's actually found suspect in this game that I can tell. That and the insistence that there had to be a scum in yesterday's thunderdome. But neither are enough for me to even start forming a theory, it's just a bit odd.

Also, you did the thing you told me not to do!
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

Then there's the vote for you and not me. His justification is still on me yet he voted for you. I presume it'd be easier to get everyone to flip me than you after the last night's events, but he went after you instead. If it was me I would be trying to flip myself, simply because I've already made the argument and I wouldn't need to start from scratch.

Am I missing some mafia logic here?
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Yeah i dont think we can really build a strong case against him yet.
Yet.

B-dubs said:
Then there's the vote for you and not me. His justification is still on me yet he voted for you. I presume it'd be easier to get everyone to flip me than you after the last night's events, but he went after you instead. If it was me I would be trying to flip myself, simply because I've already made the argument and I wouldn't need to start from scratch.

Am I missing some mafia logic here?
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Oh i noticed that about the vote, i didnt bring it up because im not kidding about not trusting myself in responding to him.
Honestly i think the vote is just him taking all of this personally as im the one actually calling him on his bullshit, coupled with his literal insulting me in a follow up it can be used to pretty clearly show that his continued scum read of both of us being based far more on an arrogant tunnel than him actually reasoning this all out.

Also if you do feel like going at him i would advise also pointing out that
A. Outing myself with you is a terrible idea for scum since it just means i inevitably go down with you and scum has zero reasin to do this consideting how mucg they are winng right now.
B. That earlier argument he made for you, the one he talked about how you were "deligitamizing the situation" he never responded to my reply to it, but he also never brought up those points again. Makes me think he realised he was wrong there but still didnt want to let you go.
C. I mentioned that i breadcrmbed us earlier and hes niether acknowledged it nor asked for clarification on it, which directly goes against him "not seeing any reason to not see us as scum",
C. if he really wanted to figure us out he would be taking any of this into account and preferably asking us about it, instead he just found the first idea that came to him that would let him maintain the tunnel and didnt make him have to suspect he might be wrong.
Like all his questions against me just now are just a backhanded attempt to say im bad at mafia.

Or just ignore him for now, iv been trying to avoid dictating how you should play, and youv been doing fine regardless.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

StanleyPalmtree said:
Yeah i dont think we can really build a strong case against him yet.
Yet.


Oh i noticed that about the vote, i didnt bring it up because im not kidding about not trusting myself in responding to him.
Honestly i think the vote is just him taking all of this personally as im the one actually calling him on his bullshit, coupled with his literal insulting me in a follow up it can be used to pretty clearly show that his continued scum read of both of us being based far more on an arrogant tunnel than him actually reasoning this all out.

Also if you do feel like going at him i would advise also pointing out that
A. Outing myself with you is a terrible idea for scum since it just means i inevitably go down with you and scum has zero reasin to do this consideting how mucg they are winng right now.
B. That earlier argument he made for you, the one he talked about how you were "deligitamizing the situation" he never responded to my reply to it, but he also never brought up those points again. Makes me think he realised he was wrong there but still didnt want to let you go.
C. I mentioned that i breadcrmbed us earlier and hes niether acknowledged it nor asked for clarification on it, which directly goes against him "not seeing any reason to not see us as scum",
C. if he really wanted to figure us out he would be taking any of this into account and preferably asking us about it, instead he just found the first idea that came to him that would let him maintain the tunnel and didnt make him have to suspect he might be wrong.
Like all his questions against me just now are just a backhanded attempt to say im bad at mafia.

Or just ignore him for now, iv been trying to avoid dictating how you should play, and youv been doing fine regardless.
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All of that, minus him coming at you today, I had already figured out yesterday.

I have nothing solid on anyone at this point due to the constant railroading, just stuff I'm finding weird about different players. That said, some of the other things I found odd turned out to be people trying to figure out who to use their powers on. So I'm just going to keep sticking with my gut. Only so many people with powers in a game after all, I'm bound to stumble onto a scum eventually.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

I think my big question is how does the role of scum work?

Is there only one member who communicates with the game runners?
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
It can carry by the setup. Only one player sends the killing action, but it can be any of there team, so if GoG was infact the one to send it and she was blocked then yeah that would explain the lack of a kill. Also if a scum player has an individual extra power they cant usually use that and there own ability.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
So having vented a bit and having time to mull it over, i actually dont think fep is likely to be scum.
However my current conclusuon is actually a lot harsher than tjat and i worry that my frustration born bias is throwing me off.
So throw on you skeptical hat and tell me if im seem off base.

This mostly came to me when i also remembered that twice before yoday he scum read me, both times in response to me arguing against him, first for melon and secondly about you. Important to note that he was flat out wrong both times.

So we thought he would be scum if he continued to come after us today, he is still after us but not really how we (or i at least suspected). We figured it would be him trying to manipulate this ratking of a town into what could be an easy lynch.
But thats not really what he is doing, even tho he says and votes like wants us lynched he isnt making any real attempt to pursuade town. Like his last post against me had nothing at all to do with me being scum, it was just insulting me regardless of alignment.

I think fep us just letting his arrogance really get the better of him, he really doesnt want to have to admit that he is wrong and that its his own fault for being so, especially not in regards to me, so instead hes just railing against us and insulting me to try and convince himself that if he is wrong about us then he wont be responsible for it, its all because i played oh so "abhorrentley".

Like despite being so steadfastly certain of our scummyness he is now saying that HoG is the elephant in the room?

If he was scum he would already know that hes wrong about all this and i dont think he would be getting so upset about it. But a towny feeling thrown around by this game and racking up L after L, well that would explain the emotionality far better.

Or maybe im just a petty asshole for thinking the worst of someone who is getting on my nerves.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

I was thinking, would it be possible to use our role names as a trap? There's only so many players and so many characters left,
StanleyPalmtree said:
So having vented a bit and having time to mull it over, i actually dont think fep is likely to be scum.
However my current conclusuon is actually a lot harsher than tjat and i worry that my frustration born bias is throwing me off.
So throw on you skeptical hat and tell me if im seem off base.

This mostly came to me when i also remembered that twice before yoday he scum read me, both times in response to me arguing against him, first for melon and secondly about you. Important to note that he was flat out wrong both times.

So we thought he would be scum if he continued to come after us today, he is still after us but not really how we (or i at least suspected). We figured it would be him trying to manipulate this ratking of a town into what could be an easy lynch.
But thats not really what he is doing, even tho he says and votes like wants us lynched he isnt making any real attempt to pursuade town. Like his last post against me had nothing at all to do with me being scum, it was just insulting me regardless of alignment.

I think fep us just letting his arrogance really get the better of him, he really doesnt want to have to admit that he is wrong and that its his own fault for being so, especially not in regards to me, so instead hes just railing against us and insulting me to try and convince himself that if he is wrong about us then he wont be responsible for it, its all because i played oh so "abhorrentley".

Like despite being so steadfastly certain of our scummyness he is now saying that HoG is the elephant in the room?

If he was scum he would already know that hes wrong about all this and i dont think he would be getting so upset about it. But a towny feeling thrown around by this game and racking up L after L, well that would explain the emotionality far better.

Or maybe im just a petty asshole for thinking the worst of someone who is getting on my nerves.
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I generally agree. I assumed, if scum, he'd be trying to use last night's kill as evidence to sway everyone to kill me. Instead he went after you, which means he likely believes us, even if only subconsciously, otherwise that move makes no sense. Could be a sign of scum, but he seems to recognize he's got zilch to back up his assertions and has moved on to more fertile ground. Remember, I was pretty open with my frustration yesterday being about our inability to look at what Melon gave us and were instead stuck dealing with a pointless thunderdome.

I think your read here is backed up by his insistence that there had to be at least one scum in the dome. I actually found an online calculator to do the math on that last night and it came out to like 37% of a single scum in there if Zeusy picked purely at random, but the way he picked had it at more like 3%. Even just pointing out how the math worked to him during the last phase didn't do much to sway him off the idea, and I think, like Zeusy, he just didn't want to be wrong.

On that note I feel like a lot of vets are relying on meta reads and textbook mafia strategy to figure things out. Like Dr Monkey saying we should have more today, normally that would make sense, but in a game where we haven't had freedom of movement since D1 and have never even come close to a scum lynch, it makes sense we don't have a lot. There's just so much room for scum to hide during the last few phases that it's not even funny.
 
B-dubs

B-dubs

Well, his GoG thing seems to be more about a grudge from the last phase than literally anything else. Awesome.
 
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