Spectator Thread GoT and TMBG Spectator Thread

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
Yeah, for sure, but I don't know right now if that was just their strategy or if they were actually annoyed (but it would also work as a strategy).
Maybe neither, I don't think they would have seen it as an intentional strategy, but they also can't be that annoyed by something that massively benefitted them.

They're guessing how annoyed they should be, and overdoing it. Just compare them to the more vocal townies. Only
feps is the exception there, and he seems to just dislike Faddy
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
I agree this game was overly hostile. I appreciate the feedback and support I received. Sadly, it hasn't outweighed the name calling and blatantly being told that I, personally, ruined a game everyone involved. I admit I made a bad play but to act as though I purposefully did it for shits and giggles is hurtful and quite frankly insulting.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
I agree this game was overly hostile. I appreciate the feedback and support I received. Sadly, it hasn't outweighed the name calling and blatantly being told that I, personally, ruined a game everyone involved. I admit I made a bad play but to act as though I purposefully did it for shits and giggles is hurtful and quite frankly insulting.
<3

Agree that the name calling went much, much too far. Unfortunately with this kind of gambit when it fails it usually implodes pretty badly and can really make people mad. That doesn't excuse the behavior at all but I think going forward in the game things will cool down. I highly doubt your one action ruined an entire game. :x
 

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
<3

Agree that the name calling went much, much too far. Unfortunately with this kind of gambit when it fails it usually implodes pretty badly and can really make people mad. That doesn't excuse the behavior at all but I think going forward in the game things will cool down. I highly doubt your one action ruined an entire game. :x

According to the last page of this thread I was and am acting in extremely poor taste. We must be reading different things.

Like I don't have to play anymore if that's what everyone thinks of me.
 

OceanicAir

4 8 15 16 23 42
This is the same community that literally had a town alignment cop claim scum (the day after another town claimed scum). People need to get over themselves and move on.

There was no real reason for that day to last as long as it did.
 

Pedro

The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
That's not what I think of *you*, melon; that's what I think of the fake red check, and the reason you gave for it that I quoted.

Anytime we talked on discord or wherever I treated you with respect and will continue to do so, I don't have a single thing against you personally.
 
I’m sorry about all of that, melon. No play should lead to that kind of treatment.

By the way, can Pog just win? I don’t even care if he’s scum; he’s by far my most favorite newcomer lol.
Remember, this is the same community that took more time than you'd think to lynch a mod confirmed mafia in the first Dangan Ronpa game. All the bushes need to be beaten.
I became a mod-confirmed townie in Marvel Mafia after I did my “fake death” ability, yet people were still wary of me up until the end. I even had to post something calling out how ridiculous it was to suspect me when Word-Of-God essentially said that I couldn’t possibly do a night kill.
 

Dr. Worm

Has a PHD in Worms
prediction for TMBG scum deaths:

goon, then switcher, then roleblocker
(assuming town wins)
I became a mod-confirmed townie in Marvel Mafia after I did my “fake death” ability, yet people were still wary of me up until the end. I even had to post something calling out how ridiculous it was to suspect me when Word-Of-God essentially said that I couldn’t possibly do a night kill.
oh man, I remember Lifeline in Pineapple Pizza

and even after he saved our asses from my wretched-ass vote-corralling idea on Day 2!
 
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Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
According to the last page of this thread I was and am acting in extremely poor taste. We must be reading different things.

Like I don't have to play anymore if that's what everyone thinks of me.
Melon I don’t think anyone thinks that. Things certainly got out of hand in the thread, but we did tell players both publicly and privately to be more thoughtful with their words. You can’t blame people for thinking it was a bad play, but no one should (nor does, I hope) think any less of you. I’m sorry it got so rough. I really appreciate that you put in a lot of effort to try and talk people through your actions and to leave some valuable (and accurate) reads behind.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
According to the last page of this thread I was and am acting in extremely poor taste. We must be reading different things.

Like I don't have to play anymore if that's what everyone thinks of me.
No, it's not that. Like the other's have said it's not about you as a person and is about the gambit.

I highly doubt anymore here wants you to stop playing over this. They just want less gambits.
 
I highly doubt anymore here wants you to stop playing over this. They just want less gambits.

Alternatively: MORE GAMBITS! GAMBIT EVERY PAGE! GAMBIT EVERY POST! EVERY WORD! EVERY!

:P <3

I apologize if this is an insensitive joke. I just figured joking might help ^^;

yeah Melon, I certainly don't want you to stop playing over this. I hope we can play a game again soon :D
 
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cabot

Why.
Maybe neither, I don't think they would have seen it as an intentional strategy, but they also can't be that annoyed by something that massively benefitted them.

They're guessing how annoyed they should be, and overdoing it. Just compare them to the more vocal townies. Only
feps is the exception there, and he seems to just dislike Faddy

i wouldn't say that, i was quite annoyed when it happened to me, mainly because I felt like it was cheapening my epic scum playz.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah but there's "quite annoyed" and then there's this.
But what options do they actually have?

The moment Faddy doubled down on melon being town and started going at half the scum team over voting for her, they could either stick with their stance or swap which likely would’ve just made Faddy accuse them of trying to placate him because he’s scum reading them. They can only do so much when they’re asked repeatedly about their stance.
 

cabot

Why.
Knowing Blarg is scum now, it's weird he never really got punished for dropping the spoiler thing when pressure was mounting.

It's characteristically un-Blarg to drop something due to demand
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Knowing Blarg is scum now, it's weird he never really got punished for dropping the spoiler thing when pressure was mounting.

It's characteristically un-Blarg to drop something due to demand
I’m sure it’ll come back up. They’ve just had a lot of other topics at the forefront. I could see Blarg, Monkey, and Kits all being in the next 3-4 lynches
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Also, scum are going to be so demoralized.

They’re locked in on Faddy and bypassing protection with a strong kill, but he won’t be staying dead due to the reward. After that the next night if they go for him again he’ll almost certainly be quasi-protected.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
Knowing Blarg is scum now, it's weird he never really got punished for dropping the spoiler thing when pressure was mounting.

It's characteristically un-Blarg to drop something due to demand
I didn't want to push that because it makes Blarg even less likely to drop his nonsense in future.
 
Caught up with GoT.

This last phase was an uncomfortable read. All arguments were lost in the way and discussion turned into a big mess. I don’t think that was helpful for either team, and a player leaving the game for it is a big bummer.

I hope the entire thread takes the night time to calm down and come back to the game with the right mentality. I felt like everyone had reasonable stances in the game that could lead into some fun discussions, but instead we had a lot of bickering.

@melonrabbit you did good. You took a risky gambit and owned it up when it backfired. Nothing more than that.

There is no blame here on anyone. Shit happens.
 

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
Thunderdome has been activated

Tomorrow, town will only be able to vote for Faddy, Zeusy, B-Dubs, and Fantomas
 
I REALLY want Fran to be proven scum just for vindication for Pog now haha.

Other people besides Fran that I think could be scum now is:

Zipped
Fireblend (I think it's either or with these two, I don't think they are scum mates)
LP
 
I really hope they don’t lynch Vere. Zipped brought up a good point in that Vere is a lightning rod for the roleblocker, so it’s better for him to be blocked than the cop, I’d say.

I guess killing Vere would reveal that scum has both a switcher and roleblocker, though. And, apparently, that’s it for their PRs.
 
Check the spoiler tag <_<
Huh, I didn't even look at the title of the video, let alone click on it lol.

EDIT: It's funny how much actual information you can derive from flavor in this game, like the number of scum totaling the number of members of the band.

EDIT2: There doesn't seem to be any sort of scramble to get Trigger off of the lynch train with 5 minutes left. I'm going to assume he's not scum after all, then.
 
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so much activity near the end of day. Are the weekends really that bad for people? I'd have imagined it'd be the best time for people usually but oh well.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
so much activity near the end of day. Are the weekends really that bad for people? I'd have imagined it'd be the best time for people usually but oh well.
I believe the data has shown they’re traditionally worse in this community. I attribute that to too many of us being slackers and posting from work lol
 

Dr. Worm

Has a PHD in Worms
I believe the data has shown they’re traditionally worse in this community. I attribute that to too many of us being slackers and posting from work lol
it's weird for me, because I'm much better on weekends

I'm too exhausted to scumhunt/machinate on weekdays
 

Muffin

Born with a heart full of neutrality
I went out too early this game. I had so many ideas in store after I had kinda fun making that truth table.

I'll just make it a tradition from me in games from now on.

Next game together with Neeks I'll make a formula to calculate her scuminess or something.
 
I don't work so that probably affects how I think. That said, with nothing on the weekend anyway, I'd probably still post a lot on the weekend haha.
 

cabot

Why.
I don't work so that probably affects how I think. That said, with nothing on the weekend anyway, I'd probably still post a lot on the weekend haha.

I post on the weekends too, but I can understand those who want time away from such things as Mafia when not working.
 

cabot

Why.
I genuinely do think The Hecht system is likely the best one.

It was about time he gave something useful to this community.
 

cabot

Why.
Hecht came up with it for the invitational, basically tailored so multiple day phases happen monday-friday, and a night lasts friday-sunday.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I like weekends because
I genuinely do think The Hecht system is likely the best one.

It was about time he gave something useful to this community.
I would be interested what complete newcomers find easier to keep track of - the hecht rhythm and the set schedule or the consistent cadence of 48/24 or 72/48. Newcomers are the only reason we went with 72/48 in GOT, but I could see an argument where the set schedule is easier to remember.
 
I would've stuck with Hecht from the beginning if anyone had explained it to me properly

Yeah, I think I have the general idea of it but it's not really explained well to me. We just see "Hecht" and are expected to know what it means it feels like.

That's why I asked about the night time a bit ago in the game thread and was told it'd be 24h nights for the rest when I thought it's usually 48 hours night at the weekend type of thing.
 

Dr. Worm

Has a PHD in Worms
Yeah, I think I have the general idea of it but it's not really explained well to me. We just see "Hecht" and are expected to know what it means it feels like.

That's why I asked about the night time a bit ago in the game thread and was told it'd be 24h nights for the rest when I thought it's usually 48 hours night at the weekend type of thing.
Pedro put this in the gamerunner thread:

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On Hecht rhythm, phases are tied to the days of the week. There's always a 48hr Day Phase on Mon/Tue and another on Thu/Fri, a 24hr Night Phase on Wed, and a 48hr Night Phase covering the weekend.

I was going with the second row, but then people complained because we ended up getting a weekend only phase, so now I'm going with a 48 hr night to transition to the bottom row
 
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Pedro put this in the gamerunner thread:

nt2xbOx.png

I was going with the second row, but then people complained because we ended up getting a weekend only phase, so now I'm going with a 48 hr night to transition to the bottom row

Ah. The first row looks fun haha. Fast paced.

But yeah the bottom row is what I thought it was.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
I see it's Zeusy's turn to be called a dumb idiot who sabotaged town, this time for using his power role.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
I don't think this scum-Zeusy theory makes much sense. If he's the coasting scum, why would scum help town find him? If you look at those targets, Zeusy is the "obvious" lynch for the day, so if you thought this was a scum power you shouldn't be lynching there.

And from his claim, you could probably townread him just from his blanket assumption that he wouldn't be the one lynched.
 

cabot

Why.
I don't think this scum-Zeusy theory makes much sense. If he's the coasting scum, why would scum help town find him? If you look at those targets, Zeusy is the "obvious" lynch for the day, so if you thought this was a scum power you shouldn't be lynching there.

And from his claim, you could probably townread him just from his blanket assumption that he wouldn't be the one lynched.

The only viable reason for scum zeusy is he was forced to do this thunder dome and include himself in the choices.

Still makes no sense because the target choices are horrendous
 

cabot

Why.
The fact that faddy died and is included in this group should really rule out scum zeusy definitively.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
I think I would be scumreading
feps at this point. He's been a bit too focussed on good play/bad play, and how much "work" people are doing. There's also all the effort spent undermining Faddy, although I was writing that off as bad play at the time.

There's actually been quite a divide between town and scum in this game, at least amongst the active players. It's unfortunate that both feps and Fantomas have landed on the wrong side of that divide.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
I think I would be scumreading
feps at this point. He's been a bit too focussed on good play/bad play, and how much "work" people are doing. There's also all the effort spent undermining Faddy, although I was writing that off as bad play at the time.

There's actually been quite a divide between town and scum in this game, at least amongst the active players. It's unfortunate that both feps and Fantomas have landed on the wrong side of that divide.
I agree with this. Especially if you combine that with the posts/responses from previous day phases. I would classify those as over aggressive.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Town is falling apart. If people start hounding Fantomas over the mentor chat too much I'm going to step in and tell them to knock it off. That's a service we provide new players and mentors are cautious to not overstep their boundaries.

They need to not spin off into crazy land.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I'm going to die if Faddy pushes a scum read on Indy because he said the word "Wow".
 

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
Town has had all the resources. They’re just using them badly. The game is incredibly balanced but only a few have used their pr’s well. Melon used hers effectively, and a few others.

Like, the bodyguard didn’t submit a night action until last night. Lol.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
Town is falling apart. If people start hounding Fantomas over the mentor chat too much I'm going to step in and tell them to knock it off. That's a service we provide new players and mentors are cautious to not overstep their boundaries.

They need to not spin off into crazy land.
Faddy just needs to acknowledge Fanto's explanation and move on. I can see how it might look to Fantomas, but noone is actually attacking him for having a mentor or "playing too well", it was just an observation that it seems like he has some other outlet on the thread (which turns out to be true in an NAI kind of way).

I don't think Faddy is willing to backtrack on someone before townreading them though. He's very much a "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" kind of player. Backtracking on anything only undermines his attack, in his eyes.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
Faddy did move on mind, he just didn't acknowledge. With the way Fantomas reacted it would be respectful to at least allay those concerns.
 

Dr. Worm

Has a PHD in Worms
So, uh

Verelios is tracking the goon, and the roleblocker and switcher have directed their attentions elsewhere

No telling how his results will go over now, though
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Faddy did move on mind, he just didn't acknowledge. With the way Fantomas reacted it would be respectful to at least allay those concerns.
Given how contentious this game has been I just would rather be cautious than let them go off again. Already people are starting to complain again.
 

cabot

Why.
Faddy has one of those playstyles that's going to ruffle feathers unfortunately. There are dozens of us.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Faddy has one of those playstyles that's going to ruffle feathers unfortunately. There are dozens of us.
I've certainly had my share of instances too. But do I think the issues that occurred in Love Boat 2 or Pineapple Pizza Mafia reflect positively for me? No, and in hindsight I wish someone had stepped in before things spiraled out of control.

Edit: Which I'm not criticizing - when things did get ugly gamerunners stepped in and did what they needed to. I just don't want other players to end up feeling regret the way I do.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
Yeah I can remember being pretty irate with Faddy in a previous game. I dunno if you can blame him for other people not keeping their cool though.
 

Dr. Worm

Has a PHD in Worms
Poor Vere

Between the switcher, roleblocker, and ninja, the deck was stacked against him

I originally wanted the Dorito vendor to work reflexively so people could validate visits to the Lazy Boyfriend, but we ended up changing that to a more standard implementation
 
Poor Vere

Between the switcher, roleblocker, and ninja, the deck was stacked against him

I originally wanted the Dorito vendor to work reflexively so people could validate visits to the Lazy Boyfriend, but we ended up changing that to a more standard implementation
Aw, so they're choosing to kill Vere? Shame since he apparently got a good hit with his tracking.

Guess it's fine to have scum expose their other two PRs, though. When Vere dies there is no question that scum has both a roleblocker and a switcher in their ranks. I expect town to do something with that info.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Aw, so they're choosing to kill Vere? Shame since he apparently got a good hit with his tracking.

Guess it's fine to have scum expose their other two PRs, though. When Vere dies there is no question that scum has both a roleblocker and a switcher in their ranks. I expect town to do something with that info.
That was your first mistake.

Not specific to TMBG town since I’m not following the game lol
 
That was your first mistake.

Not specific to TMBG town since I’m not following the game lol
There are obviously some disagreements and missteps here and there (along with the Stuart switcheroo throwing a wrench into the mix), but I think town is making the correct plays so far. Scum is really going to have to earn their win here since they have nothing but the standard ways of killing townspeople at this point. Scum needs to have like 3 or 4 more mislynches to even get to LYLO, and that's without any of them dying in the process.

Regardless of what happens though, there's still plenty of game left.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
It's gonna suck if GoG skates another day
That was your first mistake.

Not specific to TMBG town since I’m not following the game lol
yea, im worried after this day phase town will forget to look at why they needed to lynch melon in regards to gog.
 

Sawneeks

little green dog
I went out too early this game. I had so many ideas in store after I had kinda fun making that truth table.

I'll just make it a tradition from me in games from now on.

Next game together with Neeks I'll make a formula to calculate her scuminess or something.

I hope I roll Scum when you do this for extra fun <3
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
It's gonna suck if GoG skates another day

yea, im worried after this day phase town will forget to look at why they needed to lynch melon in regards to gog.
Gog could just as easily have been protected though. I don't think melon's action should be enough to lynch her.
 

cabot

Why.
Fantomas getting real mafia lessons here.

When dealing with a claim its about making sense from a scum perspective irrespective of how it seems from a town perspective.

Thems the breaks. Stupid claims and stupid uses of powers are common, not so common on scum side.
 

Splinter

Lord of Volcano Island
In his defense he's not calling it a stupid power use, he's saying it's a lie to cover for the power being random.

I don't think random is likely to be a thing, but I guess he wouldn't know that.

I think some people have been arguing "stupid and therefore scum" though, and yeah those people are wrong.
 

cabot

Why.
I was calling it a stupid power use. If his excuse is legit and he did it to basically tunnel on one person.


In the other game. Scum guesses are Fran and zipped. Third may be tearable or ab
 
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