Spectator Thread Spectator Thread

[empressdonna]

welcome TAFAE to the spec thread. Hope to see you in a game at some point ^_^

 

[Fanto]

Hello fellow spectators! Caught up on this thread and spoiled myself. I can't say suspected the scum lineup based on everything through day 2 end and now I have no idea where the flavor is going after Theresa May was a town role. I'm not totally up on my British politics but after the first two Tory=scum and opposition=town flips I figured that the lines would be remainers vs. leavers.

My only real game thought at the moment is that Zeke is really digging his own grave here by spreading out all of Fanto's reads over the course of this day phase. We in here know that he's being honest, but it's a terrible look. I guess we'll see how everyone reevaluates the reads when he eventually flips.

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Also, I guess that I could just wait for the night flip if things go as expected, but I have a question: What's the win condition for the Neutral team? I looked up the role but it's not clear to me what the goal is as Neutral.

Hi, welcome! Glad to see you in here now.

Yeah, I also worry that people will look back on Zeke and get the wrong thoughts about that, since it was already pointed out by some people as being weird too.

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I'm not sure what the win condition is exactly, but if I had to guess they probably need to win as Neutral Survivors unless there's something more to the role that I don't understand.

 

[empressdonna]

@cabot does it look like Grizzly is going to die tonight?

 

[cabot]

Why put me in a night chat with Zeke if they were just going to kill me anyways? I still don't understand that part of it. Wasn't that just a waste? Was it supposed to make Zeke look bad? Nothing about that worked in their favor. I don't understand how that role in general is supposed to favor the Scum Team, especially if their plan is to kill people who come to the wrong conclusions about them during the night chat. All other night chat roles that I am aware of are supposed to benefit Town because they normally cannot talk to one another at night. How does the Scum Team benefit from putting two Town members together for a night?

Same benefit as town. They get more information from it. A conversation between two town is different from a game of 20 players going at one another.

 

[cabot]

@cabot does it look like Grizzly is going to die tonight?

Chances are good for a bear mauling.

 

[cabot]

Hello fellow spectators! Caught up on this thread and spoiled myself. I can't say suspected the scum lineup based on everything through day 2 end and now I have no idea where the flavor is going after Theresa May was a town role. I'm not totally up on my British politics but after the first two Tory=scum and opposition=town flips I figured that the lines would be remainers vs. leavers.

My only real game thought at the moment is that Zeke is really digging his own grave here by spreading out all of Fanto's reads over the course of this day phase. We in here know that he's being honest, but it's a terrible look. I guess we'll see how everyone reevaluates the reads when he eventually flips.

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Also, I guess that I could just wait for the night flip if things go as expected, but I have a question: What's the win condition for the Neutral team? I looked up the role but it's not clear to me what the goal is as Neutral.

My first brexit game was based on voting. Remain were scum, leave were town. I've not got a particular theme on fluff this time round. TThe flips so Far have been fortunate, there are some hard leavers within town ranks. Thankfully no one has went down that rabbit hole.

Neutral win condition was survive until the end.

 

[empressdonna]

If Grizzly dies, but he uses his recruit ability, does the ability still goes off even with the recruiters death?

Just pondering

 

[Fanto]

Same benefit as town. They get more information from it. A conversation between two town is different from a game of 20 players going at one another.

Ok. But in this case, they didn't do anything with the information because it was irrelevant to why I was killed by them. So it was a complete waste of a power. If I was their kill target, why stick me in a chat with Zeke for the night? The only reason I can think of is to make me spill my shitty reads to Zeke who would then run with them. But then why not let me run with my own shitty reads in the thread by keeping me alive?

Ugh, I just can't make sense of any of this. I'm just going to drop it.

 

[empressdonna]

But then why not let me run with my own shitty reads in the thread by keeping me alive?

Considering Zeke's history, he's more likely to use the info to tunnel than you are. You are more likely to think and change depending on what happens in a day time.

Zeke usually doesn't budge in my experience.

 

[TAFAE]

Ok. But in this case, they didn't do anything with the information because it was irrelevant to why I was killed by them. So it was a complete waste of a power. If I was their kill target, why stick me in a chat with Zeke for the night? The only reason I can think of is to make me spill my shitty reads to Zeke who would then run with them. But then why not let me run with my own shitty reads in the thread by keeping me alive?

Could be some kind of scum play to spread disinformation with the bad reads.

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Either people believe Zeke and accept your reads, or they don't believe Zeke and go after him, eventually see he had no reason to lie, then be forced to reconsider your reads. Either way they get mislynches. Maybe you weren't necessarily the kill target until they saw what you and Zeke discussed, then decided killing you would force people to reckon with the reads. In any case though, you were an active player widely seen as town, so it was probably a good move for scum to a) see what you were thinking and b) kill you early.

 

[heymonkey]

Ok. But in this case, they didn't do anything with the information because it was irrelevant to why I was killed by them. So it was a complete waste of a power. If I was their kill target, why stick me in a chat with Zeke for the night? The only reason I can think of is to make me spill my shitty reads to Zeke who would then run with them. But then why not let me run with my own shitty reads in the thread by keeping me alive?

Ugh, I just can't make sense of any of this. I'm just going to drop it.

Well, if that's the case, consider that maybe the idea was to get Zeke on several tears. He can really throw a wrench into things. But who knows? All will be revealed after. Sometimes it's a grand plan and sometimes it isn't and sometimes it is but it changes during the night phase as people get new ideas.

 

[heymonkey]

But think of it this way: someone's gotta die during the night. Sometimes it's you, sometimes it's someone else, and about a third of it is just pure luck because on n1, many targets are relatively equal.

 

[The Bear]

Bear N2 Death Curse hits once again.

 

[empressdonna]

:( Poor Bear

 

[The Bear]

Seems like I died because

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because I got almost all scum team correct just based on D1, lol.

 

[empressdonna]

I do wonder why they didn't kill Panda. He's essentially green checked. Curious...

 

[Fanto]

I do wonder why they didn't kill Panda. He's essentially green checked. Curious...

He's not that strong of a voice right now. From my experience with him in GoT, he shines more in late game. They'll probably deal with him soon.

 

[The Bear]

I was considering going the useless player route, but I feared it would just lead into me being lynched quickly - I really had no time to post in D1, and in early D1 I was dealing with starting anti-depressants, and that gave me lot of anxiety (leading to stuff like me saying "lol those points were not worth reading", sorry Fanto :( ).

So my D1 was miserable, so I didn't see any other route but to go for my usual town play. Looks like I over-corrected my course.

 

[Fanto]

(leading to stuff like me saying "lol those points were not worth reading", sorry Fanto :( ).

Oh you have nothing to apologize for there, I wasn't offended or anything. My reaction at the time was concerning whether you were Scum or not for saying that, not how I felt about you saying it in general haha.

And also, I thought your vote analysis yesterday was great. I tried doing the same thing in the night chat with Zeke, but I felt like I learned a lot watching how you read some of those votes differently than I did.

 

[Natiko]

man i love that Protect/investigate/kill has caught on.

Best mini game anyone has come up with for sure.

I am actually really mad right now about them shooting me. Fuck that. Now I just sit on my ass in here like a fucking tool.

I can understand being salty, but don’t try and divine meaning out of that which often does not have any. In my scum games I usually push for killing oddball choices just to keep town guessing. Others go for loud players. Others are afraid to go for players that have the scum team mostly figured out as it can be an obvious giveaway. It’s all a crap shoot. I’ve seen plenty of scum chats where one player makes a suggestion with little to no reasoning and the others agree because they don’t have much preference. It happens.

I don't see how I wasn't. The Townest player in the game by far, and the Doctor chooses not to protect me N1? And the Scum Team decides to roll the dice on me not being protected when they can shoot literally anyone else and feel safer about their chances? I can't make sense of either the Doctor or the Scum team's decisions on N1 regarding me.

But whatever. I just don't know if I have it in me to try that hard on D1 ever again. Trying = dying is my lesson from this game. You don't even have to be right about anything, you can call the entire Scum team Town, and they'll still shoot you as long you're trying to play.

If you roll an active scum team though it can go the exact opposite way where they don’t want to eliminate too many loud voices because then it’ll be odd when they’re the only ones left. Playing worse on purpose doesn’t strike me as a strategy that will magically lead to better results either lol As for the doctor protection, they could feel that you are vanilla versus a potential PR and go with their gut.

 

[empressdonna]

@Fantomas if you have time and are curious, feel free to read my first game where I rolled scum.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sneakers-mafia-the-battle-for-your-stinky-ugly-feet.25645/page-47

Yes I did link to the page where we won. ^_^

 

[cabot]

He's not that strong of a voice right now. From my experience with him in GoT, he shines more in late game. They'll probably deal with him soon.

The doctor is probably the main reason.

...though he didn't submit in time, and the order he did submit wasn't even the fuckin' green check.

 

[cabot]

@Fantomas if you have time and are curious, feel free to read my first game where I rolled scum.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sneakers-mafia-the-battle-for-your-stinky-ugly-feet.25645/page-47

Yes I did link to the page where we won. ^_^

It was a good end to the game, and overall I was pleased with my own performance.


Still feel hard done by with the double counter to my role though.

 

[empressdonna]

I still feel bad for arch. replaced a scum member and died right that night with no chance of survival :(

 

[Fanto]

...though he didn't submit in time, and the order he did submit wasn't even the fuckin' green check.

 

[empressdonna]

I would love to see CS with a Vig shot.

I feel like he'd pick someone totally out of left field

 

[Fanto]

I vote Zeke for Town Leader.

 

[empressdonna]

I vote Zeke for Town Leader.

I don't!

 

[empressdonna]

Also that's mean, the understudy will die if Bear dies bit.

 

[The Bear]

This early D3 does not instill me with confidence.

 

[The Bear]

Also that's mean, the understudy will die if Bear dies bit.

The way my role worked, it would have made no sense to recruit anyone until very late game. Missing both shots would have lost my chance at BP.

 

[Fanto]

I don't!

Lol, I just like how he came out right away with some big posts, shows he was scum hunting during the night again to me. Plus he is right about a couple of his reads there. I just like the confidence mostly haha.

 

[empressdonna]

Lol, I just like how he came out right away with some big posts, shows he was scum hunting during the night again to me. Plus he is right about a couple of his reads there. I just like the confidence mostly haha.

Yeah but he's so stubborn.

Do remember as well, big posts don't mean you're scum hunting for town. Could easily be town hunting for scum. Unless there is a night vig, Scum knows they will be alive at the start of next day so don't need to worry about wasting all the work they may do during the night like town needs to worry about.

 

[Fanto]

Faddy...

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There is no world where Malus, subbing in for B-Dubs, is in the Town Core. There's also reason to doubt the Chuggernaut claim, plus Donna was being scumread before. Nin CS and GP? Yeah, I'd agree with that Town Core. The D1 gambit-makers probably aren't trying to draw attention as Scum, and GP just got green checked. Chugg and Malus though? Too much uncertainty, but not for him obviously lol.

 

[empressdonna]

I think Stu just needs to not back down. He can easily be convinced at times but with the way Faddy is going, I don't think he will.

I do think if Stu is lynched, this may come back to Faddy later on. Then again who knows?

 

[Fanto]

Zeke really doesn't like when people try to read his *shrug* lol. He told me in our night chat something about how he uses it to acknowledge that he's read a post that was directed at him, but he doesn't care to follow up much further with it or something? I don't know lol basically, I now know not to read his *shrug* as anything other than a *shrug* lol.

 

[empressdonna]

Zeke really doesn't like when people try to read his *shrug* lol. He told me in our night chat something about how he uses it to acknowledge that he's read a post that was directed at him, but he doesn't care to follow up much further with it or something? I don't know lol basically, I now know not to read his *shrug* as anything other than a *shrug* lol.

It doesn't help when instead of explaining it, he just goes *shrug*

Can't blame people for being annoyed about it

 

[Fanto]

It doesn't help when instead of explaining it, he just goes *shrug*

Can't blame people for being annoyed about it

Yeah, I don't know why he doesn't just say that in the game thread lol. It almost felt like he let his guard down when he was one on one with me haha, whereas in the game thread he needs to keep his usual demeanor going at all times I guess.

 

[empressdonna]

Spoiler: Scum spoilers

Sophia talking about Faddy vs Stu? Wonder if she'll risk a bus or risk being suspected by going after Stu and then when Faddy is eventually lynched will make her seem suspicious?

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler: Scum spoilers

Sophia talking about Faddy vs Stu? Wonder if she'll risk a bus or risk being suspected by going after Stu and then when Faddy is eventually lynched will make her seem suspicious?

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I think she's setting herself up to go whichever way the wind blows with that post. If more people start leaning towards Faddy, she'll bus. Otherwise she'll push for Stu first to buy Faddy at least another day. That's how I read that post about resolving them at least. She made sure to say she doesn't feel good about either instead of taking a hard stance or leaning for one over the other.

 

[empressdonna]

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I think she's setting herself up to go whichever way the wind blows with that post. If more people start leaning towards Faddy, she'll bus. Otherwise she'll push for Stu first to buy Faddy at least another day. That's how I read that post about resolving them at least. She made sure to say she doesn't feel good about either instead of taking a hard stance or leaning for one over the other.

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True but it also locks her into following up on this. She'll need to be careful about any defense of Faddy as well now after this. Zeke probably needs to be taken out for Sophia to survive I think based on his op post.

I also think Zeke is going to push for Stu hard.

 

[Fanto]

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True but it also locks her into following up on this. She'll need to be careful about any defense of Faddy as well now after this. Zeke probably needs to be taken out for Sophia to survive I think based on his op post.

I also think Zeke is going to push for Stu hard.

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I could see Zeke ditching the Stu tunnel if more people agree with him about Sophia and Faddy instead though. He did make very good points about them, and people do seem to like those reads more on their own than the Stu read, so he could still help to get the right person lynched today if he can just get a multi-tunnel system going here lol.

 

[empressdonna]

Stu's kinda getting ticked off now again. Can't say I blame him but still. He looks like he's trying to control himself this time though.

 

[Fanto]

Yeah, I can tell.

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What I'm hoping for now is for Zeke to question why Faddy wants to help him along down this Stu tunnel. If he can question that, and put together that both he and Stu are scum reading Faddy, he might be able to see the light at the end of the Stu tunnel, which is the light at the entrance to the Faddy tunnel lol.

Also, since people were once again eluding to Sorian vs. Faddy in the thread today, Stu vs. Zeke is what feels like Sorian vs. Faddy, not Stu vs. Faddy.

 

[empressdonna]

;-; poor stu

wonder when the others will check in.

 

[empressdonna]

I also hope Panda will shine soon. I think he and Zeke are good chances of getting NK'd. Green check & Zeke who suspects Sophia.

 

[Fanto]

Although even then, I don't think Stu is scum reading Zeke anymore is he? So actually it isn't like that haha.

 

[Fanto]

Although even then, I don't think Stu is scum reading Zeke anymore is he? So actually it isn't like that haha.

In reference to when I was talking about Faddy vs. Sorian. Didn't see you made more posts above yet haha.

 

[empressdonna]

Although even then, I don't think Stu is scum reading Zeke anymore is he? So actually it isn't like that haha.

I think he's given up on any confrontations with Zeke considering last days.

 

[empressdonna]

Why did Sophia leave? :(

 

[Fanto]

Well, that's unfortunate. I kind of hope she doesn't come in here now, I've said some things I regret saying and I dont want her to hate me too.

 

[empressdonna]

Well, that's unfortunate. I kind of hope she doesn't come in here now, I've said some things I regret saying and I dont want her to hate me too.

:( I'm sure she'll understand you were just salty

 

[Natiko]

Why did Sophia leave? :(

Not sure honestly, wouldn’t want to just blindly speculate either. As of now I don’t believe she has requested to be added to spec but who knows.

 

[heymonkey]

Well, that's unfortunate. I kind of hope she doesn't come in here now, I've said some things I regret saying and I dont want her to hate me too.

It's always good to remember both that spec thread is the salt thread but also that other people will see it eventually. So consideration all around, you know?

 

[empressdonna]

If you can, you should check out Marvel Spec thread @Fantomas

Seriously, the last few days was amazing with Stu's reactions in chat.

 

[Stantastic]

i stepped away for a bit, wad i miss?

 

[Android Sophia]

Why did Sophia leave? :(

I've been fighting insomnia this entire game, and a bunch of things over the course of this game were frustrating me.

Long story short, I hit a breaking point, and decided I should bow out before I do something that would, at bare minimum, get me a temp ban at Era. So I'm glad I did.

Spoiler: Alignment/Role spoiler

I feel really bad for my teammates and my replacement, but it was either them or my mental health/potential ban so I had to make that choice. But I still think they have a chance to win this because of one of them is very well hidden.

 

[empressdonna]

I've been fighting insomnia this entire game, and a bunch of things over the course of this game were frustrating me.

Long story short, I hit a breaking point, and decided I should bow out before I do something that would, at bare minimum, get me a temp ban at Era. So I'm glad I did.

Spoiler: Alignment/Role spoiler

I feel really bad for my teammates and my replacement, but it was either them or my mental health/potential ban so I had to make that choice. But I still think they have a chance to win this because of one of them is very well hidden.

aww, I'm sorry to hear that Sophia :(

 

[Android Sophia]

aww, I'm sorry to hear that Sophia :(

It's okay. I'm just glad I bowed out before I blew up at Coolest. You know how hard it is to make a read list when you're running on the bare minimum of sleep? And the thread is moving at a post and a half per minute? And someone spams the thread with gifs as you refresh? Yeeeah...

 

[empressdonna]

It's okay. I'm just glad I bowed out before I blew up at Coolest. You know how hard it is to make a read list when you're running on the bare minimum of sleep? And the thread is moving at a post and a half per minute? And someone spams the thread with gifs as you refresh? Yeeeah...

All I can say is, I hope you feel better from all this. (CS also apologized in the thread, I'm sure he feels bad).

Stu knows what insomnia is like. I've seen him suffer from quite a few days where he has had almost no sleep (or no sleep at all). He usually ends up falling asleep at the worst times because of it.

So I really hope you feel better and stuff because I know insomnia can be hell.

 

[Android Sophia]

All I can say is, I hope you feel better from all this. (CS also apologized in the thread, I'm sure he feels bad).

Stu knows what insomnia is like. I've seen him suffer from quite a few days where he has had almost no sleep (or no sleep at all). He usually ends up falling asleep at the worst times because of it.

So I really hope you feel better and stuff because I know insomnia can be hell.

I've got some things I wanna say about the meta in our community, and how we've tolerated random claims and mass vanilla claims and we really shouldn't.

I'm also taking this game into account in the future for how I play my games out.

I don't usually stay angry tho, so I'll get over stuff like that.

 

[empressdonna]

I've got some things I wanna say about the meta in our community, and how we've tolerated random claims and mass vanilla claims and we really shouldn't.

Something for the review thread then!

FWIW: Stu was honestly legit angry (see my first post in here for why) and he never calmed down for quite some time resulting in his random vanilla claim. I know he didn't mean to upset you or anyone on purpose.

 

[Android Sophia]

Something for the review thread then!

FWIW: Stu was honestly legit angry (see my first post in here for why) and he never calmed down for quite some time resulting in his random vanilla claim. I know he didn't mean to upset you or anyone on purpose.

Yeah I realized his anger was legit, but I didn't realize why. Now that I've read why I'm rather saddened by that whole scenario, and regret acting the way I did to him. >_<

Also...

Sophia: Thank you ^_^ (on the its how I usually talks bit)

... I can't believe I got scum read for this. XD

 

[Fanto]

Sophia, I'm sorry you're not feeling well, insomnia sucks. I'm also sorry in advance for anything you might read in here that I said about you. My sodium level was very high when I found out the Scum team. It has only recently gone down to tolerable levels again.

For what it's worth, I'm with you on the stuff about claims. I was pretty sure that was genuine frustration from you.

 

[Verelios]

If you can, you should check out Marvel Spec thread @Fantomas

Seriously, the last few days was amazing with Stu's reactions in chat.

 

[empressdonna]

... I can't believe I got scum read for this. XD

I know right? XD

 

[Verelios]

I've been fighting insomnia this entire game, and a bunch of things over the course of this game were frustrating me.

Long story short, I hit a breaking point, and decided I should bow out before I do something that would, at bare minimum, get me a temp ban at Era. So I'm glad I did.

Spoiler: Alignment/Role spoiler

I feel really bad for my teammates and my replacement, but it was either them or my mental health/potential ban so I had to make that choice. But I still think they have a chance to win this because of one of them is very well hidden.

I know that feeling and it sucks. Insomnia's a bitch when you're laying awake willing yourself to sleep for five hours but never do.

Maybe for the best, always take care of you.

 

[Android Sophia]

Sophia, I'm sorry you're not feeling well, insomnia sucks. I'm also sorry in advance for anything you might read in here that I said about you. My sodium level was very high when I found out the Scum team. It has only recently gone down to tolerable levels again.

For what it's worth, I'm with you on the stuff about claims. I was pretty sure that was genuine frustration from you.

It's fine.

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There's almost nothing you could say that would make me mad at you, and I did kinda play you like a fiddle by using all the advice I told you back at you so... >_>

And yeah, the vanilla claims stuff was genuine frustration. I ranted about it in scum chat, but the short jist is that it was unbelievable that so many people were claiming vanilla townie, yet were still on the defense and losing simply because one of our scum mates was AFK at the end of Day 1 and couldn't defend himself. Just made me wonder why I hadn't jumped on the vanilla claim train myself and rode goofiness to endgame, seeing as it's working out for Nin and Coolest.

 

[Android Sophia]

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Also, the reason we killed you was because you were coming off as way too town read. We didn't think there was a doctor or too many powerful protection roles because we had no strong shots.

 

[Fanto]

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and I did kinda play you like a fiddle by using all the advice I told you back at you so... >_>

It's 100% true though lol. Well played.

 

[Android Sophia]

I admit, I do have trouble, especially on D1 trying to think of how to contribute. Doesn't help that I seem to get easily ill at times.

I haven't survived until late in the game since uhh my first game and maybe Monopoly? but I feel like I'd do better later in the game when I have more to go on. D1. I'm too busy overthinking things, trying to think of what to say without rehashing other people comments.

I'll try and get better but yeah, that's how I feel. To quote Stu who says this a lot: "I overthink things too much"

;-;

I actually have this issue too, and it hit me particularly bad in this game. The biggest thing is just simply to not fear the lynch, regardless of alignment. Jump at every little thing like a chihuahua in a noisy city hearing cars run by. That's not to say that you should be completely illogical, but overthinking it can be your enemy. Especially if you're afraid of getting lynched. Day 1 isn't particularly important in terms of lynches anyhow; we've had games where scum have been lynched Day 1 only to come back and win it (Persona Mafia, with newbie scum no less) so a townie getting lynched isn't really a big deal.

Fan's advice from earlier is great too, and example of what I mean by just jumping at it. Scum don't like to be challenged, so challenge them.

 

[empressdonna]

Jump at every little thing like a chihuahua in a noisy city hearing cars run by.

I love this phrasing XD

 

[Fanto]

Fan's advice from earlier is great too

I mean, you're just calling your own advice great lol, I basically gave her the same advice you gave me on D1 in GoT. :P

 

[Android Sophia]

I mean, you're just calling your own advice great lol, I basically gave her the same advice you gave me on D1 in GoT. :P

Now I need to learn to follow my own advice without being drugged up on a ton of caffeine just to focus. :p

 

[Fanto]

As for things going on in the game thread, I'm glad to see that this "note" has caused my epic Scum Gambit from last game to be brought up:

Fanto fake redflagged me and sent it to Faddy whom was also town. Fanto then came forward as a oneshot cop after Faddy revealed the letter.

<3

 

[Android Sophia]

The doctor is probably the main reason.

...though he didn't submit in time, and the order he did submit wasn't even the fuckin' green check.

 

[empressdonna]

Who did the doctor try to protect anyway?

 

[Stantastic]

just caught up,
typical Brexit gettin people to heated

 

[Fanto]

Turmoil is good, I love this guy. There's a reason I had him down as "Town As Fuck" in my read list (which Zeke made sure to quote directly as well lol)

As for his read on DCP:

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After CS self vote:"I will absolutely vote. But I still honestly don't know. And I'm afraid for coolest next move."

This was a line that stood out to me at the end of the day for sure. In my read on him in the night chat, I said he reminded me of Scum-Ketkat in my last game, and that was one of the lines that reminded me of her. I don't know what it is exactly, just a tone thing maybe? "I will absolutely vote" followed by "But I honestly don't know" just seems suspiciously hesitant as well I guess?

Also, dammit Z-Beat, don't do that "This is a town replacement" shit. Kopite was doing that in GoT and guess what? I'm pretty sure there were more Scum replacements than Town ones, and Scum won.

That's a big lesson I learned from GoT: It is 100% NAI to ask for a replacement, no matter what reason you may think it was for based on their last posts in the thread.

 

[Natiko]

Spoiler

Faddy is quieter as scum than I would’ve expected.

 

[Fanto]

Spoiler

Faddy is quieter as scum than I would’ve expected.

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It was the biggest tell on him for me. The one thing I will latch on to is that I had him down as a Neutral in here before Cabot told me the Scum Team, so at least I knew he wasn't Town by D2 lol. Like I said in the night chat too, he was posting fluff at EoD1, then dropped a read list, but it was in a way where it seemed like he knew he could be called out at any moment for the fluff posts.

I'll be interested to see the Scum thread, I wonder if he's like I was and just posts about scummy things in there all day instead lol.

 

[Android Sophia]

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It was the biggest tell on him for me. The one thing I will latch on to is that I had him down as a Neutral in here before Cabot told me the Scum Team, so at least I knew he wasn't Town by D2 lol. Like I said in the night chat too, he was posting fluff at EoD1, then dropped a read list, but it was in a way where it seemed like he knew he could be called out at any moment for the fluff posts.

I'll be interested to see the Scum thread, I wonder if he's like I was and just posts about scummy things in there all day instead lol.

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Scum thread was pretty averaged pace, in all honest. The biggest talker in there was me, followed by Faddy. Faddy seemed to want to talk more by the time Day 3 came around, but we didn't make super good use of the thread before I raged quit.

 

[cabot]

Who did the doctor try to protect anyway?

Chugger.

 

[Fanto]

By the way here is the current claim list (thanks to Fantomas for the template)

I love you, Malus!

 

[cabot]

Hmm ab may have a point.

They don't have access to the chat now and I said you couldn't paste outside your own read list, paraphrase only.

I didn't stipulate you couldn't paste the chat elsewhere and paraphrase. Which goes against the entire point of hiding the thread.

 

[Fanto]

Feeling a lil bit worse about Faddy, a lil better about Stu.

Is it happening? Is he exiting the tunnel?

 

[Fanto]

Hmm ab may have a point.

They don't have access to the chat now and I said you couldn't paste outside your own read list, paraphrase only.

I didn't stipulate you couldn't paste the chat elsewhere and paraphrase. Which goes against the entire point of hiding the thread.

I guess I don't see what the problem was really? Like, you were going to allow us to paraphrase each other's thoughts, and you were clearly ok with us pasting each other's read lists down so we could remember them and reference to them if we needed to paraphrase them, so I don't blame Zeke for pasting down some of my other big posts in there too.

 

[empressdonna]

I think it's more that it should have been done from memory but Zeke has taken notes outside the thread and are paraphrasing those? Which would be a loophole since the chat is meant to be hidden/closed?

 

[Fanto]

I think it's more that it should have been done from memory but Zeke has taken notes outside the thread and are paraphrasing those? Which would be a loophole since the chat is meant to be hidden/closed?

But Cabot was fine with me and Zeke pasting each other's read lists into Word Docs so we could remember them. What's the problem with Zeke pasting like two or three of my other really meaty posts, which were still reads on other players, and paraphrasing them too?

Like yeah, I get that the chat is supposed to be hidden after we were done using it, but I just don't see the problem I guess. If he had paraphrased the entire thread, that would be one thing, but it was like maybe 2 or 3 of my other big posts besides the read list that he copied down and wanted to share too from what I can tell.

 

[cabot]

No I was okay with you pasting your own read lists. Not each others.

In future games I'll be stricter around chat threads, think I was too lenient here.

 

[Fanto]

I guess I just remember getting the sense that it was ok for us to save each other's lists, just that we had to paraphrase the other person's and couldn't just paste it alongside our own. I think Zeke got the same feeling, so yeah, if that wasn't what you intended then it probably should have been made a bit more clear to us that it was not ok to save any posts but our own from the thread for later viewing.

 

[Fanto]

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This is not town Faddy. He's been way too quiet compared to the Faddy I would expect and if this is his first game as scum then that would explain it I think.

On top of that, he seemed like he let his guard down and was caught off guard when I suddenly started pushing on him. The minute I did and I voted him, he got nervous and defensive including what amounts to an OMGUS vote.

The stuff he had let slide or wasn't using against me suddenly he started using it because he got nervous and wanted to make me look scummy even though he could have done so much earlier and more naturally.

to sum up, I think he was caught off guard, got nervous and ended up letting his scummy side out. I'm fairly confident he is scum now.

 

[Fanto]

Yo, LP is in! I love this guy lol.

 

[empressdonna]

Stu is really going at it.

 

[Fanto]

Stu is really going at it.

I was about to say the same thing lol.

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I really wish I hadn't been scum reading him so hard, because now once again, I find myself sitting in Spec Chat just rooting for Stuart as much as I can lol.

 

[empressdonna]

I was about to say the same thing lol.

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I really wish I hadn't been scum reading him so hard, because now once again, I find myself sitting in Spec Chat just rooting for Stuart as much as I can lol.

Haha, he gets scum read a lot early game so you're not alone in that.

 

[Fanto]

I can't remember who called him out on his bomb nonsense being taken from previous games but this is the same thing.

Twas I, Faddy, and I called it NAI if I remember right.

 

[Fanto]

Faddy what are you doing?

 

[cabot]

This is exactly a play normal Faddy would do.

 

[cabot]

I guess I just remember getting the sense that it was ok for us to save each other's lists, just that we had to paraphrase the other person's and couldn't just paste it alongside our own. I think Zeke got the same feeling, so yeah, if that wasn't what you intended then it probably should have been made a bit more clear to us that it was not ok to save any posts but our own from the thread for later viewing.

I checked back, Zeke asked me if he had to paraphrase his own posts and then specified he meant his reads list specifically. I replied saying he could paste his reads list.

I didn't expect either player to copy swathes of the chat somewhere locally and then paraphrase it entirely. That sort of removes the entire point of losing access to the chat afterwards.


I'll be clear in subsequent chats and games.