Cult Thread Against Bastard! Cult Chat
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Why, yes, hello, this is Sorian. Sorry had a busy year start at work so I figured I wouldn't peek in until the weekend. I'm also just an ordinary cultist, we just recruit and hope for the best. Grizzly also made me his role, I can only assume because he wants to be just like me. Out of curiosity, who's your role Kyan? Who does Grizzly feel is on par with his mad game reviewing prowess?
@Grizzly some questions that you may or may not be able to answer in order from you can likely answer to me poking the bear and hoping he gives me a treat:
1) Is everyone on town a known mafia player or is everyone a version of Blarg? Because I thought coming into this game it was going to be the latter and I'm wondering if we need to worry about name claiming? Like is it fine if I say at some point that I'm Grizzly or does that out me immediately to town members?
2) If we recruit someone, do they keep their old PR as well or are we vanillarizing them?
3) How bastard are we here? I assume recruitment on scum members fail automatically?
@Grizzly some questions that you may or may not be able to answer in order from you can likely answer to me poking the bear and hoping he gives me a treat:
1) Is everyone on town a known mafia player or is everyone a version of Blarg? Because I thought coming into this game it was going to be the latter and I'm wondering if we need to worry about name claiming? Like is it fine if I say at some point that I'm Grizzly or does that out me immediately to town members?
2) If we recruit someone, do they keep their old PR as well or are we vanillarizing them?
3) How bastard are we here? I assume recruitment on scum members fail automatically?
Also, to Kyan, cults are small and shitty in mafia games. We don't bus here, we take every opportunity to lift the other up in any small way we can that doesn't draw too much attention. Basically pretend we are masons or lovers for the purposes of play, never scum read the other, always have them near the top of town read lists once it starts making sense to talk about those and definitely never vote for the other one. Actually fake claiming masons or lovers is a super nuclear option that we shouldn't do unless we know we are winning within a day or two because that can crumble real fast but playing like that's the secret you are hiding is good enough, it won't click for most people for awhile and we can always deny it easily and reverse back if we need to because that's what town has to do when they have that role.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Don't get the Bear made you his role bit, sowwy. Pls explain for dummy.
I figured out the cult is shit and pain bit. Is what it is, don't really mind it. Did not figure out the self-evident mason / lover thing, primarily because I was thinking about a cult larger than the two of us when thinking about this all. I guess new Fuckcops have it rough then and when they blow up, mason / lover fakeclaim shatters a bit too.
I figured out the cult is shit and pain bit. Is what it is, don't really mind it. Did not figure out the self-evident mason / lover thing, primarily because I was thinking about a cult larger than the two of us when thinking about this all. I guess new Fuckcops have it rough then and when they blow up, mason / lover fakeclaim shatters a bit too.
My role name is Grizzly, I assume you're role name is also someone like Pedro or Hecht or something.
And yeah, eventually (hopefully) the cult will be larger but we can't even recruit anyone until night 2 and even that's a big maybe. I assume the cthulhu game probably gets us a recruitment shot and I'm going to jokingly pitch that one as the night 1 vote since that was my first game and I have a whole history with Blarg there, blah blah blah, so maybe I can get some non-caring people to just go for it.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
I edited it.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
1. All scum members are Blarg. You shouldn't worry about name claiming I think (except for potentiqlly people connecting lines if one you is killed).
2. They keep their old PR.
3. You cannot recruit scum.
Well I have one vote at least!
If I end up higher on people's lists, you can hide in there pretty easily with your cryptic talk. I won't try to start you as leader on my own though lol that needs traction from someone else before I can touch it.
If I end up higher on people's lists, you can hide in there pretty easily with your cryptic talk. I won't try to start you as leader on my own though lol that needs traction from someone else before I can touch it.
Reading is for scrubs, I don’t think anything even remotely interesting would be missed if you just skipped ahead. Sophia got some shit but the sub out negates most of that, Blarg is Blarg, and now people are skeptical of Fran (who probably isn’t scum tbh)
I should note here so I don’t forget in two days if we get a shot.
Pirate bae is probably the only person in the game who has a read on you and it’s positive so she’s a decent candidate for recruitment since she wouldn’t have to change her reads.
Monkey is the other big person I’d love to recruit because she has that mystical power of being able to survive to end game like all the time.
Pirate bae is probably the only person in the game who has a read on you and it’s positive so she’s a decent candidate for recruitment since she wouldn’t have to change her reads.
Monkey is the other big person I’d love to recruit because she has that mystical power of being able to survive to end game like all the time.
A cult that starts with 0 recruitment shots. @Grizzly took a good old fashioned bastard mechanic and made it boring.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Hey, I ain't gonna give those for free :P.
This is for future Monkey who I know will read this. You nailed it on the head obviously, I am neutral. Not so much pumped for the role though, I don’t like being a cultist actually because it’s one of those “sent off to die” neutrals to me. They serve a gamerunner well for adding interesting balance to the mix but they have such a stacked deck against them that they rarely ever win and are just there to be a wild card that ends up boosting one of the main factions.
What’s your plan on modifier vote Kyan? I was debating if you’d have any natural reason to vote Cthulhu but I don’t think you do so I think the only way you could justify it is if more people vote for it and you just show up late and vote one of the two top ones.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Yeah, I didn't explicitly name games but said vanilla games. But I feel comfortable spinning a tale should it come to that. I'm voting a not-entirely-vanilla game to get an example of a possibly more ridiculous modifier. Scouting the threat, so to see. Doesn't exactly fit my character that cares about minimizing the losses but nobody but me even cares about that anyway.
Regardless I'll let at least 12h to pass, I am obviously sleeping right now since I wasn't around the day end. Might do a fake in-character vote for Bear Boat or something like that and hopefully later I'll be forced to pick between Happy v Sad and Cthulhu.
Regardless I'll let at least 12h to pass, I am obviously sleeping right now since I wasn't around the day end. Might do a fake in-character vote for Bear Boat or something like that and hopefully later I'll be forced to pick between Happy v Sad and Cthulhu.
Just want to leave general notes here in case I die. I don’t think either of us are particularly likely to die unless they want to make a low impact no info kill which you could be or killing me for meta.
In general, the idea to recruit is to get someone who can survive for a long time, followed by someone with a good PR, followed by someone who wouldn’t have to change their reads much with the new info of who their new teammates are.
I still think Monkey would be an amazing get for her longevity but she really spooked me off of thinking she’s town. I rescind my pirate bae recommendation. She’s been very inconsistent and I feel like she will be on the short list when people start going for the more inactive people.
I think Fantomas is going to be around awhile and I’ve cooled on thinking he’s scum so he’d be good. I also think cabot is town and if he survives until day 4 then he will likely survive the whole game. No one else really jumps out to me from day 1 that will last to end game. If CeeCee really has more shots, if might be worth grabbing him to use his last shot (he’ll probably use his second one D2) but I don’t see him getting to end game, town will eat him eventually unless he shoots scum and if he does, scum will have to kill him due to the clear.
That’s really all my useful thoughts. Aside from monkey, my scum reads are all the ones I posted in thread, Flux, Fran, Ket being the big ones, Geno being a solid maybe if those other three don’t pan out. Faddy is pretty clearly town so he’s a safe recruit if push comes to shove as well.
In general, the idea to recruit is to get someone who can survive for a long time, followed by someone with a good PR, followed by someone who wouldn’t have to change their reads much with the new info of who their new teammates are.
I still think Monkey would be an amazing get for her longevity but she really spooked me off of thinking she’s town. I rescind my pirate bae recommendation. She’s been very inconsistent and I feel like she will be on the short list when people start going for the more inactive people.
I think Fantomas is going to be around awhile and I’ve cooled on thinking he’s scum so he’d be good. I also think cabot is town and if he survives until day 4 then he will likely survive the whole game. No one else really jumps out to me from day 1 that will last to end game. If CeeCee really has more shots, if might be worth grabbing him to use his last shot (he’ll probably use his second one D2) but I don’t see him getting to end game, town will eat him eventually unless he shoots scum and if he does, scum will have to kill him due to the clear.
That’s really all my useful thoughts. Aside from monkey, my scum reads are all the ones I posted in thread, Flux, Fran, Ket being the big ones, Geno being a solid maybe if those other three don’t pan out. Faddy is pretty clearly town so he’s a safe recruit if push comes to shove as well.
RIP in piece
Or most people just didn’t care and the votes for Cthulhu were votes for fun and the votes for love boat were votes for boring possible danger.
:D
Any ideas what real game could potentially have another recruitment shot hidden? Need to see if I can sneak it into conversation early in the day to sow those seeds
:D
Any ideas what real game could potentially have another recruitment shot hidden? Need to see if I can sneak it into conversation early in the day to sow those seeds
I feel like if Cthulhu doesn’t end up being terrible for people Fran or Fanto might try pushing conspiracy as a fun thing to see.
I’d be positively shocked if anyone can build a real case around these votes even after seeing our role PMs considering how many people came out of the woodwork after saying nothing about what they preferred during the day.
I’d be positively shocked if anyone can build a real case around these votes even after seeing our role PMs considering how many people came out of the woodwork after saying nothing about what they preferred during the day.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Boo on you for taking one of my favorite games and giving it such a boring modifier.
love you too sorian <3
Boo on you for taking one of my favorite games and giving it such a boring modifier.
You didn't even play this one! :P
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Probably not, I’m still waiting for him to come off as town, he’s at the point where it should be a little more obvious and it’s not yet but part of that is because he’s post neutered.
It would be funny though.
So Fran is cleared town now and Flux is probably cleared town.
Pirate Bae now is a lot more interesting since on its head, she is town cop.
Part of me says Pirate Bae so we can control her cop checks but the con is she might not last long depending on who the scum team is.
On the other hand, Flux has been useless in thread for solving so I think he just bought a one way ticket to close to end game.
@Grizzly If we recuit a PR, what does their role PM flip like? Is the alignment just changed but everyone still knows what their PR was? Will the thread know they were converted or will it be unclear if they started as cult?
Pirate Bae now is a lot more interesting since on its head, she is town cop.
Part of me says Pirate Bae so we can control her cop checks but the con is she might not last long depending on who the scum team is.
On the other hand, Flux has been useless in thread for solving so I think he just bought a one way ticket to close to end game.
@Grizzly If we recuit a PR, what does their role PM flip like? Is the alignment just changed but everyone still knows what their PR was? Will the thread know they were converted or will it be unclear if they started as cult?
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Bae dies tonight. Potential cop is too good a shot not to take. I feel it is fair to assume that meanies have at least a single super-duper-shot that pierces most protection and this'd be the time to use it.
On the off chance that they can't work around the protections, they'd kill Fran because game design POV gives him too much credibility having claimed the town version of a scum role.
Flux could be lying about his shots so that'd be nice to have too. Technically, there is a case where scum can't pierce presumed protection on Bae and go for Flux because they fear he is odd-night.
Imo Flux. Yarr could be a thing too, cop shots are a great boon but I just don't think she lives very long. Fran is meh because he hasn't got as good a life expectancy as Flux has and his PR has no impact.
On the off chance that they can't work around the protections, they'd kill Fran because game design POV gives him too much credibility having claimed the town version of a scum role.
Flux could be lying about his shots so that'd be nice to have too. Technically, there is a case where scum can't pierce presumed protection on Bae and go for Flux because they fear he is odd-night.
Imo Flux. Yarr could be a thing too, cop shots are a great boon but I just don't think she lives very long. Fran is meh because he hasn't got as good a life expectancy as Flux has and his PR has no impact.
Yeah, I agree that Fran isn't a good call. By all accounts, he should be cleared but he is going to still get into trouble somehow.
As far as Bae, my main worry is who she plans to check (if she is even checking people, do keep in mind she didn't even officially claim). If we think she isn't going to check us then her being recruited goes down a lot on my list. Flux might be the choice. Ket is the only other town clear we could even consider but she is still contingent on Bae as well.
As far as Bae, my main worry is who she plans to check (if she is even checking people, do keep in mind she didn't even officially claim). If we think she isn't going to check us then her being recruited goes down a lot on my list. Flux might be the choice. Ket is the only other town clear we could even consider but she is still contingent on Bae as well.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Bae is cop / mason / lover / one of those things that start with knowing the alignment of a single person. Cop would be great, but the others would have limited impact besides her towniness. Ket I think would be my 2nd pick here: lower impact than Bae but notably greater life expectancy in non-lover situations and there is the small possibility that Bae just has the info about Ketkat and Ket then has a role of her own. Small chance, but better than Fran who is confirmed no-shot override.
@Grizzly do we lose the shot on a failed recruitment?
@Grizzly do we lose the shot on a failed recruitment?
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
My conclusion is:
1) Flux
2) Ketkat
3) Pirate Bae
Don't think there is anything Fran offers that the others don't, apart from the person ofc. Bae is the biggest potential power swing, Ketkat the most secure recruit and Flux is the middle choice between power and actually hitting the shot.
So which one does the shot aka. who's getting tracked / whatevered. Nobody really ever tracks me but the recent flip might make people do that. And you are generally more town read than I am so one argument says that you should be protected.
1) Flux
2) Ketkat
3) Pirate Bae
Don't think there is anything Fran offers that the others don't, apart from the person ofc. Bae is the biggest potential power swing, Ketkat the most secure recruit and Flux is the middle choice between power and actually hitting the shot.
So which one does the shot aka. who's getting tracked / whatevered. Nobody really ever tracks me but the recent flip might make people do that. And you are generally more town read than I am so one argument says that you should be protected.
I honestly don’t think either of us are getting tracked at this point. Town seems to not care too much about you and most people are waiting for me to sort myself out. I think scum roleblocking is the real issue and I could potentially see them going for me (though they should really be going for Bae if anyone)
I think you’re the better person to submit the command if we are worried but I think odds are low that either of us are affected.
Personally, I think Flux and Ket are both good choices with Flux being the one who I think will live longer and Ket being a wild card who might have a useful power (though I don’t think she’s done anything to really Telegraph a PR but she could just be hiding it well)
I’m fine with either though, you can put in the command and choose.
I think you’re the better person to submit the command if we are worried but I think odds are low that either of us are affected.
Personally, I think Flux and Ket are both good choices with Flux being the one who I think will live longer and Ket being a wild card who might have a useful power (though I don’t think she’s done anything to really Telegraph a PR but she could just be hiding it well)
I’m fine with either though, you can put in the command and choose.
I see how it is. Just when I had gotten some cool bonus town points, too. Oh well, I live to serve.
I don't even know how that worked, I got the hell out of town in N2. My real role was two-shot Commuter. I used 1 on N1, the other on N2. I don't regret either, except for the fact that now I'm in this cult and that remaining shot would have been real useful at some point. Meh, I could have possibly been killed on N2 anyways.
Caught up with this chat. You were pretty suspect of me until now, Sorian, but I suppose that narrative won't need to artificially be adjusted with how D2 ended, and how you were stating that turmoil and I were positioning ourselves on pretty much opposite spectrums.
I don't even know how that worked, I got the hell out of town in N2. My real role was two-shot Commuter. I used 1 on N1, the other on N2. I don't regret either, except for the fact that now I'm in this cult and that remaining shot would have been real useful at some point. Meh, I could have possibly been killed on N2 anyways.
Caught up with this chat. You were pretty suspect of me until now, Sorian, but I suppose that narrative won't need to artificially be adjusted with how D2 ended, and how you were stating that turmoil and I were positioning ourselves on pretty much opposite spectrums.
Darn, figured you couldn't actually just be one-shot but bummer to here they are both gone now.
You with AB could be good, he might talk more in there which will help with reads.
Kyan with Ket is kind of lol maybe we'll get a hint on her role and see if she's worth it next time we have a shot.
You with AB could be good, he might talk more in there which will help with reads.
Kyan with Ket is kind of lol maybe we'll get a hint on her role and see if she's worth it next time we have a shot.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
The recruitment shot reaches even when commuting in this game.
Okay, so maybe not all that pertinent right now, but we got a recruitment shot with Cthulu but not with Love Boat. What should we be looking for when it comes to getting another one? A game that leans more towards being bastard than not? A previous game which featured cults? I'd need to check the database for how previous games went since I just played LB, but the latter is probably a safe bet if there were others.
There aren't very many cult games so I think it's just games that lean more towards bastard. To be more specific, I think it's games that Bear specifically doesn't think he would have approved the final design on if I had to guess. I've kind of wore that on my sleeve in the game thread, I'm trying to get people to give in more to their base instincts and go with what they think is "fun" instead of more vanilla choices.
All those rando fake games probably have one too tbh but that's where I hedged in my stance and said no one should vote there.
Anything exciting going on in your guys' threads? Monkey has told me she's vanilla and otherwise we are just bouncing reads off of each other. I'm still going back and forth on if she's scum but I'm leaning she is. I'm going all in on town reading her publicly though, I want her to think I'm pocketed and this chat will do wonders for that if she is scum.
Not really. absolutbro is very much leaning scum for Faddy, and it sounds like he's preparing to make a push for it. Thinks there are 5 scum, 2-3 PRs (likely 2) because of turmoil's flip as backup.
He highlighted post 2,828 of yours Sorian, because of your comment that I should be flipped first before turmoil to check my role. Says it's sketchy, because if I was a PR and was flipped, it would have shown turmoil was telling the truth, but also says that you and Brazil were playing by the books and it was the "right" move to make, so not overly suspicious on it.
He seems to trust me, which is not surprising in the least. Haven't elaborated on my PR other than saying that I commuted on N1 and N2. He hasn't said anything at all about his role, alignment, or power. Not sure how I could lean the discussion in that direction without blowing my spot. Might not be able to get much in that regard.
He highlighted post 2,828 of yours Sorian, because of your comment that I should be flipped first before turmoil to check my role. Says it's sketchy, because if I was a PR and was flipped, it would have shown turmoil was telling the truth, but also says that you and Brazil were playing by the books and it was the "right" move to make, so not overly suspicious on it.
He seems to trust me, which is not surprising in the least. Haven't elaborated on my PR other than saying that I commuted on N1 and N2. He hasn't said anything at all about his role, alignment, or power. Not sure how I could lean the discussion in that direction without blowing my spot. Might not be able to get much in that regard.
From a cursory glance, these are the games we probably would want to avoid for a next modifier.
- Star Wars
- NX
- Disney Princess
- Dark Souls
- Archer (maybe?)
Oh, duh! I was thinking of a role where any action taken on someone is blocked, but there are also actual "role blockers" that prevent someone from taking an action too, huh. And, obviously, scum would use an ability like that one an implied cop like Pirate Bae.
But that's still pretty convenient.
But that's still pretty convenient.
That's just straight luck if anything. She was definitely roleblocked if scum has one, I don't really see shenanigans.
That was my main worry in not recruit Bae, looks like I was right to be worried. Guess we'll see if someone else draws her attention once that roleblock runs out or dies.
That was my main worry in not recruit Bae, looks like I was right to be worried. Guess we'll see if someone else draws her attention once that roleblock runs out or dies.