Fanto
Confirmed Town
Just to be clear here, I mean like my thoughts on you, and the reads I've put down in here. Thats the stuff I'll share. Not like your claim and shit lol
Pair Thread Boat 7 - Fantomas & Rac
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm having too much fun now tbh, I kind of feel selfish for that too. Like, I don't what else I'd be posting about in the game thread right now if I wasn't confirmed. Probably just throwing out read lists and @-ing random people to share their reads with me. Instead I've just been shitposting and joking around with people whenever I feel like it, which is so not normal for me lol.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah this is giving me Scum Faddy vibes, I just saw him last time as Scum in Brexit, this is what he was like when he caught heat.
When he caught heat as Town in Conspiracy, holy shit, it turned into a fucking meme about him and Sorian scum reading each other to oblivion even though they were both Town.
When he caught heat as Town in Conspiracy, holy shit, it turned into a fucking meme about him and Sorian scum reading each other to oblivion even though they were both Town.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I haven't gone back to check the KH thread myself, but I do remember it the way Zeke put it. I remember Brazil specifically bringing up RL things about Fando to town read him for when he was up for a lynch. True, he didn't vote for him, but like he said, he was voting for his partner Muffin to distance himself. I don't remember him shading Fando at all, but he might be right and I just don't remember it all.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I know I'm kind of a newb still, so I just wanted to run this by you. When Turmoil claimed, that to me read like he was claiming as a form of a Role Cop, which is like, total red flag to me because that is so often seen as a Scum Role, right? So I don't understand Faddy's assertion that Flux's claim was a red flag to him just because it countered Turmoil's. That was just another red flag against Turmoil to me because Flux had reason to believe he was lying and, although it took him forever and I agree he should have just claimed it immediately to disprove Turmoil, he did tell us why eventually.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ironically, Faddy is not, he's good at it. He's reviewing my game right now, he even helped me fix part of my Role Priority list for the night actions. He knows all about this shit. It just reads so fake coming from him. I think that's why Cabot really didn't like that post from him about how a Commuter works. And why other veteran players have keyed in on that.
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I believe we get the chat all night together still yeah.
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I believe we get the chat all night together still yeah.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
With the two weaker protection roles having already been claimed, I could see it as a Scum Gambit. This is kind of like me claiming as a weaker Cop in Conspiracy after Blarg (Insane Cop) and Sorian's Claim and red check already made them real cops, alongside Terra's bastard "Alien Cop" claim.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Also what did I fucking say lol
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'm not sure with his votes. It's rough, because he could have been the only Scum up for a lynch today, and so he wanted to throw out some confusion and doubt about the people he was up against on his way out.
Malus he was voted for first. I would normally read that as him trying to set that up as the opposite lynch to his, and therefore I'd think Malus is probably Town and not his teammate.
He threw his vote to Fandorin when it was clear people wanted one of them today instead. Then later Faddy called out the votes on Fando as being shitty because he's town reading him. Fando was also town reading Faddy and believed his Doctor claim at the end.
Honestly, Fando does look worse here than Malus because of all of that, but I'm not sure where I fall on him yet. He seemed genuine towards the end of the day, and looking back, that thing about him being "obliterated" tomorrow was probably because he had just been town reading Faddy and also had just said that he believed his Doctor claim and didn't think it would be countered. Does Scum-Fando say that about his teammate, knowing he is likely to go out today, knowing he is fake claiming and there is a real Doctor out there to counter the claim? Could be. A Gambit to give him "Oops, I was so wrong you guys" Town points I guess? I could see it. Would want to see how things play out with him tomorrow, but he's looking kind of suspect.
Malus totally ghosted until the end, and then threw out a vote on Faddy, which was after the hammer vote came in though. If he already knows Faddy is a Bomb, he knows his vote is safe to place there after the 12th vote came in, and he can still go "Yeah, guys, I wanted Faddy, I saw that claim from Ketkat, blah blah" even though he wasn't actually posting at all during that shit show there.
I think they both look bad still tbh. Did we actually have Scum. vs. Scum vs. Scum? I mean, stranger things have happened I guess.
Other than that, I think there was definitely bussing on Faddy because of his role. I'll be looking for some suspects in there.
Wouldn't be surprised if Blarg is Scum.
Wouldn't be surprised if FluxWaveZ is a Neutral.
That's about where I am right now.
Malus he was voted for first. I would normally read that as him trying to set that up as the opposite lynch to his, and therefore I'd think Malus is probably Town and not his teammate.
He threw his vote to Fandorin when it was clear people wanted one of them today instead. Then later Faddy called out the votes on Fando as being shitty because he's town reading him. Fando was also town reading Faddy and believed his Doctor claim at the end.
Honestly, Fando does look worse here than Malus because of all of that, but I'm not sure where I fall on him yet. He seemed genuine towards the end of the day, and looking back, that thing about him being "obliterated" tomorrow was probably because he had just been town reading Faddy and also had just said that he believed his Doctor claim and didn't think it would be countered. Does Scum-Fando say that about his teammate, knowing he is likely to go out today, knowing he is fake claiming and there is a real Doctor out there to counter the claim? Could be. A Gambit to give him "Oops, I was so wrong you guys" Town points I guess? I could see it. Would want to see how things play out with him tomorrow, but he's looking kind of suspect.
Malus totally ghosted until the end, and then threw out a vote on Faddy, which was after the hammer vote came in though. If he already knows Faddy is a Bomb, he knows his vote is safe to place there after the 12th vote came in, and he can still go "Yeah, guys, I wanted Faddy, I saw that claim from Ketkat, blah blah" even though he wasn't actually posting at all during that shit show there.
I think they both look bad still tbh. Did we actually have Scum. vs. Scum vs. Scum? I mean, stranger things have happened I guess.
Other than that, I think there was definitely bussing on Faddy because of his role. I'll be looking for some suspects in there.
Wouldn't be surprised if Blarg is Scum.
Wouldn't be surprised if FluxWaveZ is a Neutral.
That's about where I am right now.
rac
whatever
Fanto
Confirmed Town
It kind of makes sense if there is an extra kill power, either for Scum or for a Neutral, out there. It would make sense that Scum ran into Ketkat's two targets there back to back and that's how Faddy knew who she targeted when he fake claimed.
That would mean that the Neutral is the one who has got the two kills so far. Geno makes sense as a random target for a Serial Killer, or if Geno was on to the SK at some point on D1. If the SK caught on to Cabot's D2 bread crumb (the Don't Shoot Fanto one), they might have wanted the 2-for-1 shot since they might need to survive to end game for their win con, so getting a 2-for-1 gets them that much closer.
That's kind of my working theory right now, but it is based on a lot of assumptions. If we have a double kill night now, with Ket being one of them and some rando target being another, I would entertain the theory a lot more for sure.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
rac
whatever
i mean i guess but scum actually targeting pirate bae, i agree with a lot of the people in the thread
this has to be one of the worst scum plays of all, what are the odds of faddy telling us what actually happened that night?
what would he gain from that?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Definitely. I think some of those anti-Chugg posts are the most suspect ones post-claim from Ketkat actually. It is true that his claim would look suspect, I said as much in here too, but I don't think I'd have advocated for his lynch over it.
I still don't think Flux is Scum either for his protection-esque role, just because of that shit show of a D2, but I do think he could be Neutral considering he likes to float out very anti-Town ideas constantly with his now basically-confirmed status. What the fuck was some of that shit from him today? Like seriously, if that guy is Town... I'll just say it now, I don't like him. I'd be down to lynch him just for fun to see if he is a Neutral after another Scum flip tbh, I don't even care, he's not much help.
It would depend on what other powers they have I suppose. If they do have some way to pull off extra kills, and a possible Neutral around isn't a killer, that could also make sense I think. That way they can afford to Kill and RB Bae in case of protection and send their other kill Cabot's way.
Cabot had made a note after D2 that there is a good chance that there could be some very good Scum Roles in this game because we are OP as Town with all these PRs, Scum has to have something really good. It also makes sense for both of us to have a Backup in that case too if we are both just stocked with PRs.
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Just finished eating, will be back with the role claim list.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Town Deaths:
StanleyPalmTree - D1 - Override
Terraforce - D1.5 - Vanilla
Geno - N1 - Vanilla
Cabot - N2 - Mason
TheChuggernaut - D3 - 1-Shot Bulletproof
Scum Deaths:
Turmoil7 - D2 - Backup
Faddy - D3 - Bomb
Role Claims:
CeeCee - 1-Shot DayVig - Claimed on D1.5 - Shot Emperor Stan on D1.5
Fantomas - Mason - Claimed on D3 with Bread Crumbs from Cabot
Fran - Backup - Claimed on D2 - Inherited Stan's Override on D1.5, Killed Turmoil on D2
Pirate Bae - X-Shot Cop - Claimed on D2 - Green Check on Ketkat N1. Roleblocked N2.
FluxWaveZ - X-Shot Commuter - Claimed on D2 - Commuted both N1 and N2.
Ketkat - Doctor - Claimed on D3 - Targeted Cabot N1, Pirate Bae N2.
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I believe that is it so far. It's kind of amazing to see this many claims on the board on D3 honestly lol.
StanleyPalmTree - D1 - Override
Terraforce - D1.5 - Vanilla
Geno - N1 - Vanilla
Cabot - N2 - Mason
TheChuggernaut - D3 - 1-Shot Bulletproof
Scum Deaths:
Turmoil7 - D2 - Backup
Faddy - D3 - Bomb
Role Claims:
CeeCee - 1-Shot DayVig - Claimed on D1.5 - Shot Emperor Stan on D1.5
Fantomas - Mason - Claimed on D3 with Bread Crumbs from Cabot
Fran - Backup - Claimed on D2 - Inherited Stan's Override on D1.5, Killed Turmoil on D2
Pirate Bae - X-Shot Cop - Claimed on D2 - Green Check on Ketkat N1. Roleblocked N2.
FluxWaveZ - X-Shot Commuter - Claimed on D2 - Commuted both N1 and N2.
Ketkat - Doctor - Claimed on D3 - Targeted Cabot N1, Pirate Bae N2.
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I believe that is it so far. It's kind of amazing to see this many claims on the board on D3 honestly lol.
rac
whatever
you realize you'd be saying the same thing about me if this chat wasn't a thing
rac
whatever
i agree
let's put it this way this game has blargonaut in the name and we have yet to see anything insane
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, here's some good old fashioned hard data from the votes.
Green = Confirmed Town.
Red = Scum.
Ok, so we've got the D2 Shit Show votes that were all locked in and most came within the last hour or so of the day.
I honestly think we saw some good old fashioned Scum Panic there when Fran said he wasn't going to Override and instead voted for Turmoil. That's why I'm only really suspicious of the late votes on Turmoil: Monkey, Natiko, and Sawneeks. Those came when they would have had enough time to decide to bus with their one locked in vote.
Flux self voting was and still is hilarious. Faddy was on there first, which is interesting to note, because that is a case of Scum throwing their vote away. Sorian then went there, something to keep in mind.
Malus and Fandorin both basically jokingly threw their votes away at a lame scum read on Pirate Bae before she claimed.
Blarg self-voting is NAI, but is another throwaway vote. AB voting Fran, either genuine frustration or crafty Scum. Brazil on Malus, voting for his scum read when Fran was still saying he would Override. You voting for me, I forgive you. No votes from LP, Ketkat, or Kyan.
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Day 3. Me, Flux, and CeeCee were on Faddy for a long time. Blarg joined like 24 hours into the phase. Then Fran switched his vote there towards EoD when I told him that's who I wanted today and he agreed. Kyan's came once he showed up and put a good scum read on Faddy down. Monkey showed up to switch to Faddy when the tides were clearly turning that way following Fran's and Kyan's votes on him.
The rest of the Faddy voters after Monkey all piled on after Ketkat's claim, something to keep in mind.
Brazil and Natiko started the Malus train today. Both were also on Faddy, but only after Ket's claim.
Everyone but Sorian abandoned the Fandorin train to hop over to Faddy. Monkey did so pre-claim from Ketkat.
The rest of the votes are whatever.
For the no voters:
Pirate Bae said she's sick so she probably wasn't keeping up with the thread in time to vote, but she said she was fine with all the candidates.
Ketkat, not sure why she didn't vote for Faddy there with her counter claim, but she didn't need to I guess.
LP is a meme.
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I would say the suspects based on all that, and how I'm feeling about them in general, are Natiko, Sawneeks, Fandorin, and Malus.
Sawneeks and Fandorin are not W/W though, so if one of them flips Scum, the other is clear in my eyes.
Brazil is also possible, but I really hope he's just Town here.
Green = Confirmed Town.
Red = Scum.
Ok, so we've got the D2 Shit Show votes that were all locked in and most came within the last hour or so of the day.
I honestly think we saw some good old fashioned Scum Panic there when Fran said he wasn't going to Override and instead voted for Turmoil. That's why I'm only really suspicious of the late votes on Turmoil: Monkey, Natiko, and Sawneeks. Those came when they would have had enough time to decide to bus with their one locked in vote.
Flux self voting was and still is hilarious. Faddy was on there first, which is interesting to note, because that is a case of Scum throwing their vote away. Sorian then went there, something to keep in mind.
Malus and Fandorin both basically jokingly threw their votes away at a lame scum read on Pirate Bae before she claimed.
Blarg self-voting is NAI, but is another throwaway vote. AB voting Fran, either genuine frustration or crafty Scum. Brazil on Malus, voting for his scum read when Fran was still saying he would Override. You voting for me, I forgive you. No votes from LP, Ketkat, or Kyan.
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Day 3. Me, Flux, and CeeCee were on Faddy for a long time. Blarg joined like 24 hours into the phase. Then Fran switched his vote there towards EoD when I told him that's who I wanted today and he agreed. Kyan's came once he showed up and put a good scum read on Faddy down. Monkey showed up to switch to Faddy when the tides were clearly turning that way following Fran's and Kyan's votes on him.
The rest of the Faddy voters after Monkey all piled on after Ketkat's claim, something to keep in mind.
Brazil and Natiko started the Malus train today. Both were also on Faddy, but only after Ket's claim.
Everyone but Sorian abandoned the Fandorin train to hop over to Faddy. Monkey did so pre-claim from Ketkat.
The rest of the votes are whatever.
For the no voters:
Pirate Bae said she's sick so she probably wasn't keeping up with the thread in time to vote, but she said she was fine with all the candidates.
Ketkat, not sure why she didn't vote for Faddy there with her counter claim, but she didn't need to I guess.
LP is a meme.
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I would say the suspects based on all that, and how I'm feeling about them in general, are Natiko, Sawneeks, Fandorin, and Malus.
Sawneeks and Fandorin are not W/W though, so if one of them flips Scum, the other is clear in my eyes.
Brazil is also possible, but I really hope he's just Town here.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Faddy + Malus could make sense here I think.
Would Faddy + Fandorin make sense too though?
And could Faddy + Malus + Fandorin actually be a thing that we saw today?
Chugg had made a note in the thread before he died, which is something I also agreed with. What do you think of this?
Would Faddy + Fandorin make sense too though?
And could Faddy + Malus + Fandorin actually be a thing that we saw today?
Chugg had made a note in the thread before he died, which is something I also agreed with. What do you think of this?
TheChuggernaut said:
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Seriously, if I wouldn't have had Cabot as a partner, I might have asked for a replacement on D2 because I was really feeling like shit with how outclassed I was by so many of the players, and they were all suspicious of me at various points too, it was just draining. The only thing that kept me going really was knowing that I literally could not be lynched because of Cabot, and that our claim would actually be pro-Town regardless of how it had to come out.
rac
whatever
sorry i was a little too drunk tonight a need to read over d3 faddy
faddy was always in contention to get lynched right? its hard to imagine that he gave any information that is actually useful if that is the case
Fanto
Confirmed Town
The way I'm seeing the game right now, I basically have us broken into 3 groups.
The Non-Suspects: The majority of the players, I have no real reasons to think they are on a Scum Team yet.
The Possible Bussers: At the end of D2 and the end of D3, we had Scum up for a lynch. At the end of D2 and the end of D3, the following people all jumped on the Scum trains only once they had become foregone conclusions: Natiko, Sawneeks, Dr. Monkey. Brazil gets a slight nod too here for advocating the Flux lynch on D2 and then joining the Faddy train late on D3.
The Suspects: Fandorin and Malus. They still don't look hot due to their D2 play, and not much from D3 turned them around in my mind. Enough for me to have wanted Faddy first, but not much else.
The fact that they wanted to bait out the claim from the real Doc does kind of suggest though that they knew at least the Cabot target on N1 but didn't know who it came from. Otherwise Faddy just had the guess of the century there, because I mean sure, Cabot was very easy to town-read in this game, but that doesn't mean he's automatically the first target for a Doc on N1 necessarily.
The Non-Suspects: The majority of the players, I have no real reasons to think they are on a Scum Team yet.
The Possible Bussers: At the end of D2 and the end of D3, we had Scum up for a lynch. At the end of D2 and the end of D3, the following people all jumped on the Scum trains only once they had become foregone conclusions: Natiko, Sawneeks, Dr. Monkey. Brazil gets a slight nod too here for advocating the Flux lynch on D2 and then joining the Faddy train late on D3.
The Suspects: Fandorin and Malus. They still don't look hot due to their D2 play, and not much from D3 turned them around in my mind. Enough for me to have wanted Faddy first, but not much else.
Yeah, if they were tracking her they would have just taken her out by now probably.
The fact that they wanted to bait out the claim from the real Doc does kind of suggest though that they knew at least the Cabot target on N1 but didn't know who it came from. Otherwise Faddy just had the guess of the century there, because I mean sure, Cabot was very easy to town-read in this game, but that doesn't mean he's automatically the first target for a Doc on N1 necessarily.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Have you ever seen Fandorin as Scum before? I'm just wondering how sneaky he can be. Because the whole thing with him town reading Faddy even though his recap on him makes Faddy look kind of scummy, and then the "I believe this claim guys, don't think anyones going to counter it" thing, followed by the "obliterated" comment that we have both made a note of. Just trying to figure out how to read this. Is it Town-Fandorin face-palming at having been duped, or is it Scum-Fandorin putting on a show?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Good to know. Yeah, he definitely stays on the suspect list. I'll want to see who he's Scum Reading here today. From what I remember, his scum list yesterday was kind of like Faddy's in that he still seemed to be trying to target some of the hot topics from D1 and D2 even though we have so much more to work with now. Yeah, I just went and looked, his list was Zeke, You, and Malus.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
As of this moment, probably yeah. I want to see what everyone else is thinking too, but I'd probably want the Fando flip sooner rather than later, otherwise we're just delaying the inevitable. It gives us info on Sawneeks too, because she has been trying to link Turmoil and Fandorin all game, and shouted out that as a chain lynch when she voted Turmoil, so I do not see Saw being scum if both Turmoil and Fandorin were.
rac
whatever
searched everytime faddy mentioned malus and id like to hear your thoughts on it
starts with a post defending malus but only a bit
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-20#post-16633645
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-20#post-16634160
to being ok with shooting malus
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-21#post-16642394
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-26#post-16659780
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-32#post-16675013
edited this post down a bit (https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-51#post-16765785)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-56#post-16803446
then no mention of malus again until the vote
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-73#post-16894694
is this a bus play? scum v scum?
after reading faddy a bit i think its p safe to trust saw
starts with a post defending malus but only a bit
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-20#post-16633645
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-20#post-16634160
to being ok with shooting malus
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-21#post-16642394
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-26#post-16659780
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-32#post-16675013
edited this post down a bit (https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-51#post-16765785)
back to defending malus a bit
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-56#post-16803446
then no mention of malus again until the vote
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...f-the-blargonauts.91092/page-73#post-16894694
is this a bus play? scum v scum?
after reading faddy a bit i think its p safe to trust saw
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Hmmmm. Yeah, those are interesting opinions on Malus with no clear progression from one to the other.
I remember those first posts of course because he was talking to me. The fact that he goes from trying to dissuade my concerns of Malus, to including him near the top of his Kill list, to once again dissuading concerns, then going for the "He's more likely to be Scum" play with his vote... Yeah, it looks suspect to me.
I remember those first posts of course because he was talking to me. The fact that he goes from trying to dissuade my concerns of Malus, to including him near the top of his Kill list, to once again dissuading concerns, then going for the "He's more likely to be Scum" play with his vote... Yeah, it looks suspect to me.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
The Fandorin connection is a tougher one because it does involve some amount of WIFOM I think in terms of how Scum would have played for the leader role. Do they try to push one of their own for leader if other Town members are voting there? Do they want to make sure Town gets the spot instead so they don't have any attention on them early? I don't think I could say how Scum would go for that.
One thing that does stick out is that Faddy didn't really mention Fandorin much at all outside of the leader stuff on D1. He kept a Town read on him, but a shitty one that wasn't based on anything from what I can tell, just "he seems Townie".
One thing that does stick out is that Faddy didn't really mention Fandorin much at all outside of the leader stuff on D1. He kept a Town read on him, but a shitty one that wasn't based on anything from what I can tell, just "he seems Townie".
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I think that's something we can ask @Grizzly to clarify for us, yeah.
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Side note: Just out of curiosity, I figured I'd go see how many times Faddy mentioned Turmoil during the game. Didn't even say his name once on D1, first time he said his name was when he ordered Fran's kill list on D2. Just something that stuck out.
