Spectator Thread You All Should Have Been In This Game
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karkador
Board Game King
Also, you know what, the game does get very stressful, unhealthy, and a waste of time when people have decided to ignore any work I'm putting into the game, in favor of making shitty meta arguments about me and my personality. It's the opposite of fun, and maybe I now understand what Darryl was saying about people making assumptions about him.
The worst part is that it's impossible to tell in-game who's genuinely being an asshole towards you, and who's mistaken. I had to quit the game, because I don't like being tortured.
The thing is, I'm not sorry if that ruined your game plans, because primarily complaining about that before being concerned for the well-being of others makes you a callous shit. I honestly don't care that it puts you in a tough spot for the game.
I joined this game because I was invited, and I thought that was nice. I wasn't told it would be a pit of vipers. I have seen this game get progressively more venomous, and I'm just not gonna play until it gets better.
The worst part is that it's impossible to tell in-game who's genuinely being an asshole towards you, and who's mistaken. I had to quit the game, because I don't like being tortured.
The thing is, I'm not sorry if that ruined your game plans, because primarily complaining about that before being concerned for the well-being of others makes you a callous shit. I honestly don't care that it puts you in a tough spot for the game.
I joined this game because I was invited, and I thought that was nice. I wasn't told it would be a pit of vipers. I have seen this game get progressively more venomous, and I'm just not gonna play until it gets better.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Ya, Terra did a great job especially with the card he was given. I was quite revealed to get my town PM.
I was maybe the only person caught out by it and the difference between 24/48 night isn't that big from a gameplay view, but it did mess with my rhythm a bit. I usually get used to all the timings after a while.
Not sure how different it would be if I knew it from the start lol
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
As frustrating as some of the inactivity was at least with the planned out day phase it was something less to get annoyed about. As well as taking away worrying about people ghosting/unavailable for weekends. And I think it helped us not turbo Kark since it wouldn't move the game on any quicker. It is a big positive for me overall.
I was pissed off in Arkham when we turbo'd Zipped(?) hours into a day phase and then had to wait nearly 3 days to play again. It meant the game had been active for only a few hours in 5 days. I liked this much more.
ynnny
SPIDER
i like it and i stoleded it
ynnny
SPIDER
i'll just be open and to the point about things:
overall, i think the tone set at the beginning caused a few disheartened players. kawl, in particular (and you're free to correct me if /when you come in, kawuru), felt that it was bait and switch. inactivity on the scum team was also particularly debilitating and may have caused additional stress on the reminder players to try and pull the game through.
- like the phases
- saw the design and like its simplicity
- puns needs to diiiiiieeeee
- didn't particularly like that it wasn't an invitational for the 'best of the community' - as in bottie's feedback during our DMs:
[8:11 AM] cabot: i agree with you i thought this wouldve been the kind of 'best of' list
[8:11 AM] cabot: so obviously i was a little surprised when it was more of a mix
[8:11 AM] cabot: dont really see the point if its just a mix of player quality cause then its just a normal mafia game
- didn't particularly like the command PENETRATE (gross)
- despite that puns needs to die, some of the flavour were funny : (
- somehow, the tone of the game felt rather mean-spirited and i didn't like that. i never did like gamerunners thinking that players are supposed to 'dance' for their enjoyment but that's a subjective take, who knows if the players actually felt this or nah
overall, i think the tone set at the beginning caused a few disheartened players. kawl, in particular (and you're free to correct me if /when you come in, kawuru), felt that it was bait and switch. inactivity on the scum team was also particularly debilitating and may have caused additional stress on the reminder players to try and pull the game through.
karkador
Board Game King
Had I been told in advance that the invitees were being selected among the loudest, most stubborn, most difficult, I would have definitely reconsidered joining. But the bait and switch (or just misplaced intention) is not really the issue.
I used to have more fun with these games than I do now. I would still play this in another community, or IRL with friends.
But this shit takes too much time and stress to play with this community, who are taking me less and less seriously.
I have had fun in the past playing a fool. But I don't like having a bad reputation. I don't like people making me out to be a village idiot.
I used to have more fun with these games than I do now. I would still play this in another community, or IRL with friends.
But this shit takes too much time and stress to play with this community, who are taking me less and less seriously.
I have had fun in the past playing a fool. But I don't like having a bad reputation. I don't like people making me out to be a village idiot.
Hecht
Like dubstep for my bootyhole
Penetrate is a word that has a primary meaning that isn't something sexual...
Still, noted.
I get that the tone of the game was set in a certain way, but I made the assumption that enough people here had played with me or at least talked to me to know that I wasn't being serious.
On that note, having a game for "the best" players also means that some players are clearly "the worst," and I'm not going to rack-and-stack the community that way.
Still, noted.
I get that the tone of the game was set in a certain way, but I made the assumption that enough people here had played with me or at least talked to me to know that I wasn't being serious.
On that note, having a game for "the best" players also means that some players are clearly "the worst," and I'm not going to rack-and-stack the community that way.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
No weekends in that?
I think 24/24 would be better with no weekends. Day ends on Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
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On the tone of the thread, reading back it did seem pretty hostile compared to other games I've played. Perhaps the lack of pre-game time was part of that? Outside of Blarg there was very little shitposting imo and a lot more digging into arguments. People can cite extenuating circumstances and absent players but this was one of the most competent town performances I have seen. We voted for scum 5/7 day phases (and still nearly lost).
I liked it. I'm kind of usually available more on weekends but there is usually someone in the game doing something that pulls them away for those phases which always grinds some aspect of the game to a halt. I think keeping the weekends as a dead phase worked out well (especially this time of year). I also did like the 24 hour night phases. The biggest issue we had with it in the past because I think NX did it (?) was that if everyone is in different time zones and is trying to be active then 24 hours can go by really quick with little interaction. It worked here, partially because of the inactivity anyway and partially because nin was the only one off the rest of everyone's time zone. I think sprinkling it in more will get people used to it because long night phases don't tend to be fun as many aren't doing anything during that time.
Honestly, and I know I'm going to get flak for this, but then don't play. If this was a one time thing then I would bury it, chalk it up to stress, and be done with it but there are two big examples of it that I was directly affected by and I see it here and there even when I'm not directly affected or involved. You did the same thing in Batman that you did here. The social game about lying and undermining the arguments of people who are right. When someone successfully does that to you, you take your ball and go home and thats a disservice to everyone playing. You complain that its a waste of your time when people decide to ignore your work in favor shitty meta arguments but apparently it's not a waste of everyone'es time when you cry foul and just drop the game when it isn't going your way? Fuck out of here with that garbage. It is just a game, I don't expect anyone to be ironclad to their obligation to play and if something in the real world comes up that actually prevents you from giving it due time then by all means let the moderator know but if your reason for leaving is that you're losing the argument and undermining your hard work is mean then I can't say I sympathize at all.
I can see how Ouro's tone was very much "dance for me puppets" but I guess I never really took it in a mean way. That's always been a joke for some of our more extreme games (NX) that the players end up being tortured by all the swerves and I just read this as flavor commentary on that. The game was a lot more focused, kind of like what Faddy just said that I didn't quote because he posted whiel I was typing this. The game was pretty much all strong work. Blarg was his usual and tried to shit post here and there to lighten the mood at points but this game was just a lot of strong people trying to figure it out. I don't think that's a bad thing at all, it just looks different compared to a lot of our other games.
cabot
Why.
Aside from snark I'm only gonna say that you initially acted out of character which was a red flag.
You then proceeded to go down more and more ridiculous leaps in logic and most people acted naturally to that.
I don't care for you calling everyone vipers or he most loud and difficult players ever.
Truth be told if this were to happen again I'd like a lineup reveal before game start, because I do have preferences on who I want to play with.
You then proceeded to go down more and more ridiculous leaps in logic and most people acted naturally to that.
I don't care for you calling everyone vipers or he most loud and difficult players ever.
Truth be told if this were to happen again I'd like a lineup reveal before game start, because I do have preferences on who I want to play with.
karkador
Board Game King
This is what I mean by bullshit meta arguments. "Out of character" according to what? What is your baseline? One game where I was scum? You had nothing to really go on, and you're still giving me this bullshit.
So you get to drive me fucking crazy with attacks on my character as a player, and I don't get a reasonable defense against it AND have to constantly second-guess your intentions about it as a mafia ploy or not.
That's not fun. That's not even good play on your part. You're making an argument about *other games* and it's fucking obnoxious.
And yet, I was right, and you were wrong.
It's more of an objective observation than an insult, and I'm including myself in that too
ynnny
SPIDER
hey, cool it with the snarks : (
you're all going to make each other sads in the long run : (
some of you seem to come from a place of hurt and there's no need to apply salt to the wounds
and yes, in the future, publishing the roster before the game is launched is probably best. as i've said, there's a lot of us that self-select out of playing with certain other players within our community. to rob players of that decision making ability is not the wisest decision.
you're all going to make each other sads in the long run : (
some of you seem to come from a place of hurt and there's no need to apply salt to the wounds
and yes, in the future, publishing the roster before the game is launched is probably best. as i've said, there's a lot of us that self-select out of playing with certain other players within our community. to rob players of that decision making ability is not the wisest decision.
The way the meta can skew toward insults and judgments in general bugs me a bit. I think it's an unvoidable part of meta reliance and I have done it, too. It's hard not to. But I will say as someone who is a newer player to the community than some, the heavy reliance on meta sometimes seems to come before the game at hand and I find that frustrating. It reduces accessibility at the least.
Maybe we need a secret identity costume game or something. We are all Ridli.
But we do know each other. It's hard to navigate personal relationships at times, for good or for ill. I want to trust cabot; he is my friend. Neeks is always scum but I want to listen to her anyway because she is my homegirl. When there's friction and history, it's worse.
:(
But we do know each other. It's hard to navigate personal relationships at times, for good or for ill. I want to trust cabot; he is my friend. Neeks is always scum but I want to listen to her anyway because she is my homegirl. When there's friction and history, it's worse.
:(
Costume games always sound fun on paper but the ones most affected by this issue will still be noticed regardless. I don't care what name you put on Blarg, you'll know it's him.
You'll likely be able to tell which ones me.
Etc. etc.
You'll likely be able to tell which ones me.
Etc. etc.
ynnny
SPIDER
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
If the game starts on Monday by Friday you're already in D5 and the game is almost over.
Ya, that's why I felt like balance was a bit in scum's favor.
-Smilies are now disabled.
-I actually really like the idea of trying a costume game. Sorian has a point, but I kind of think it might be a fun exercise anyway.
-I like the Asylum and Berserk style phases, and I kind of hope they'll be a thing going forward. If nothing else, it was nice to have a set time when all of the games were down so that I could do maintenance on the site.
-I actually really like the idea of trying a costume game. Sorian has a point, but I kind of think it might be a fun exercise anyway.
-I like the Asylum and Berserk style phases, and I kind of hope they'll be a thing going forward. If nothing else, it was nice to have a set time when all of the games were down so that I could do maintenance on the site.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
It's hard to keep up though and a lot of your play style will inevitably come through.
Most will just play like normal.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
@Ourobolus how was initial planning with replacements?
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
Blarg (and kyaa, for example) is a special case in that he has a very recognizable posting style. That's two players out of the many dozens we have, and that's assuming they would not want to change the way they talk in this hypothetical game. I think that a costume could surely work.
Yup, that's how it's always been when I've done them.
Maybe. I think Blarg could disguise himself if he chose to. I've long been of the opinion that Blarg does his shtick for our benefit, not his.
I think 20-25 for a costume game is about right, and I'd be willing to open Outer Mafia to host that.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
"Man, isn't Theodore being especially Theodore today? ;)"
People will probably come close to doing too lol
Meta analysing players to me is an inevitability. In a way it's the only tool in a game based almost entirely on people's behavior. Costume is fun and all, but I think looking for a direct solution is a dead end.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
They're still here :D
Blarg already did really well in Blargohunt where he disguised as a random person impersonating Blarg.
Not anymore, they're not.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
No it would be 3 day phases in a week. 24 hours day, 24 hour night
Monday: Day 1 ends
Tuesday: Night 1 ends
Wednesday: Day 2 ends
Thursday: Night 2 ends
Friday: Day 3 ends
Sunday Night 3 ends
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
;_;
I was thinking of 12/12.
Not the same need to worry about weekends when most won't experience it.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
For the townies still alive I'm sure they would appreciate the break.
Sawneeks
little green dog
I'll have to talk to Melon again ( and bug Royal/Captain to look at it again :p ) but the whole 'hidden identity' thing is the basis for our Power Rangers Mafia game. I'd been meaning to ask you if it was possible to host it here too so this is perfect timing!
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Maybe 24/24 weekends for them
I mean it's not like you'd have to worry that much. The worst player couldn't even play, he was moderating.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Kind of bummed to see how toxic things got post game. I think everyone should have fun playing. For anyone that’s feeling pigeon holed or angry, try taking a step back. Perhaps you ultimately will never participate in a game. I don’t know that I ever will. I can understand feeling singled out and wanting to lash out in response. I had the same experience of a couple games were it went poorly and it made me realize I just may not be a great fit for playing mafia. At the end of the day though I am able to recognize no one here meant me any ill will. I’m able to still be friends with people here, still able to spectate and enjoy talking to others about how games are going.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I can just relate to both sides of it really well. I’ve felt unfairly called out in games before, and it’s made me angry and aggressive. I’ve also felt frustrated by other players and what I felt were weak arguments against me with little basis. At the end of the day it’s a game - if you aren’t having fun that’s okay. Maybe you need a break. Maybe certain styles of games are more up your alley. Hell, there may be players you just don’t get along with. Just do what’s best for you. The one thing I can say about this community though is people generally seem to care about each other, so try and not let it get too personal. I’ve fell victim to that twice and on the other side of it when I realized I didn’t just impact people’s enjoyment of the game but had genuinely impacted their happiness overall it only made me feel that much worse.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
It's okay, stubbornly rejecting a wise one's warnings all your life then to do on a rebellious whim the opposite of what they were always telling you, only to end up betraying them to death, then living the hard life in shame and agony from your mistake(s) but eventually finding redemption after slowly taking your victim's last words to heart until when, at the critical juncture of binary choice that would define you from then on you finally decide to do what is good for life, is a solid and respectable character arc
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
hey lest we forget I already fucked all of you up in Blargohunt and I'd do it again yes
You're goddamn right I did Greyhound I was
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
I'd say I share Kark's meta pain, being typecast is rough but it's on us to change us up I think
If our spies in the top echelons of Resetera could somehow implement within that framework an anonymous account system for players, whereby a game's partcipants are named something like "Guest1" to "Guest19/Guest##" or equivalent non-descript, which would be confirmed by the game's host that the correct players have assumed their respective new names by PM'ing a code to their real account and asking them to PM the host back with that code from their newname accounts; would be a treat
If our spies in the top echelons of Resetera could somehow implement within that framework an anonymous account system for players, whereby a game's partcipants are named something like "Guest1" to "Guest19/Guest##" or equivalent non-descript, which would be confirmed by the game's host that the correct players have assumed their respective new names by PM'ing a code to their real account and asking them to PM the host back with that code from their newname accounts; would be a treat
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
always fun when the who's who is revealed afterwards
Poetry
cabot
Why.
I don't think there's anything for me to say here. it was an early game call which is based on my experience of every game I've played with you (not the one you were scum) and no one followed me on that lynch so clearly it didn't matter.
I then continued to scumread you for what you did in this game and not others.
cabot
Why.
I can actually play with you or Sorian by yourself in a game, it's game where you're together I'd like to avoid.
Agreed, that wouldn't be something to just spring on folks.
Franconp
Frank
Well, you already have the setup for one.
Hecht
Like dubstep for my bootyhole
You chose your girl over me and Kawl. I think you make poor decisions so I chose for you :)
Obviously hosting a game on ResetEra is ideal because that's how we recruit new players, but if you have a mechanic that will really only work on Outer Mafia, (like a costume game) I'm happy to run games here as well. My only requirement is that I would never want to be in a place where NO games are running on Reset. I would probably insist that we always have SOMETHING going on there.
This was WWE for me. I had a really good experience in my first two games, and then I hosted Night Vale. Shortly after Night Vale, it became clear that someone needed to stay behind the scenes and fill Crab's shoes when he wasn't wearing them. I'd just found out WifeMG was pregnant, so I volunteered to be that person. But I decided I wanted one last game, so I played in WWE, where I didn't have a good time and died almost immediately, and I was kind of like, "Yeah, I'm okay staying behind the scenes from now on. I'm better as a mod than I am as a player."
Have I told you recently how great you are?
That being said, you know I can put this together in about 30 minutes on the very website you are currently reading, right?
The last month or so has made me a big believer in transparency. :) I've been thinking that the rule of thumb should be that if there is a fundamental difference that alters the structure of the game, players need to know exactly what it is going in. If it's just a crazy setup, we'll give a vague warning so as not to ruin the game, but if the core of the game is unusual, like a costume game or an extreme change to how phases work or something, we'll be pretty explicit so that people know what they are getting into.
LOL I completely forgot that we talked about running your game as a costume game! Sorry about that.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
:'(
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
If you aren't going to be playing would you help me with feedback and auditing my game?
I had one reviewer no show and haven't got anyone else.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
As someone most familiar with the first of three horrible games on my part you should understand lol
Poke spider to see. I’ve not ran a game yet so I believe I’m not qualified to review until then.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I've sent a PM.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I saw someone with a lot of potential learning it quickly and refining their method.
I still remember your town read of me way back in your first town game quite fondly. It went against the thread and showed great integrity. It's the thing I remember the most because of the circumstances, but in I've always admired your approach in games and more then once looked over your analysis when I felt stuck.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Well thanks Ty. I certainly enjoyed playing, and maybe one day I will again. The two games back to back where I ruined others enjoyment just didn’t feel good. I’m not going anywhere though, still plan to run GOT one day and I’ll be in spec threads observing from afar.
This question got answered privately, but I'll say publicly: We don't really see running a game as a requirement for reviewing. It's a PLUS, but we've had a number of reviewers who have never run a game before.
If you would like to volunteer to review games for Mafiera, please let me or Spider know.
ynnny
SPIDER
natichan is one of my favourites * ___ * hope you will play again one day, natichan <3
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
You can add my name to the reviewer pool then, thanks for the info Retro. I don’t know if I saw something that made me think you had to have run a game first or if I just made an assumption.
Will do, thanks for volunteering.
We may have said it at one point, I'm honestly not sure. Originally we were only pulling reviewers from people who had run games, but we hit a point where we had a lot of people submitting games and not a lot of people who were interested in reviewing, so we started enlisting people who hadn't run games before.
flatearthpandas
Round Moon Bears
So I had fun. Sorry to see the drama, my opinion is always that we should focus on community and respect first over games. Despite personally not being a great example of either.
I liked the day phases alright. More importantly, i liked the time of day. Was the most reasonable game for me so far in being able to make day end and start.
Wouldn't be opposed to a costume game.
Didn't mind the closed player list, but maybe I was one of the unpleasant surprises. Didn't mind the flavor tone, took it all in good fun. Even if we were being "punished" for something, I felt the purpose of the game was for everyone to have fun.
One question: why keep the thread secret? Even if we can't run on reset, having a link in the main thread where people can spectate seems like it would be a good thing.
Anywho, thanks for hosting, ouro. Thanks for playing, everyone.
I liked the day phases alright. More importantly, i liked the time of day. Was the most reasonable game for me so far in being able to make day end and start.
Wouldn't be opposed to a costume game.
Didn't mind the closed player list, but maybe I was one of the unpleasant surprises. Didn't mind the flavor tone, took it all in good fun. Even if we were being "punished" for something, I felt the purpose of the game was for everyone to have fun.
One question: why keep the thread secret? Even if we can't run on reset, having a link in the main thread where people can spectate seems like it would be a good thing.
Anywho, thanks for hosting, ouro. Thanks for playing, everyone.
Franconp
Frank
I'm ready for when you give the green light.
