Pair Thread Dr. Monkey x Stuart444 Suite
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LB 1 had neutrals who disrupted chat. "Disruption" silenced the chat and their wc was three disruptions. So thinking through things:
Bear likes a silencing mechanic but it's not the same each time.
Once it's been neutral and once town. This time it could be scum if that's the progression - but if it's who we think, I don't know if I see it.
Bear likes a silencing mechanic but it's not the same each time.
Once it's been neutral and once town. This time it could be scum if that's the progression - but if it's who we think, I don't know if I see it.
I feel that is over thinking it personally. I doubt bear even thought of that lol
Probably. But I think in the world where Sorian is town, they could be scum. I just don't think this is that world. I agree with Stan's assessment that Sorian is arguing in bad faith. One of his most recent posts is so loaded with negative adjectives that it's clearly constructed that way.
Donna's lowkey switch to townreading PB is really what pushes me there. But I didn't see scumdonna so I don't know.
Donna's lowkey switch to townreading PB is really what pushes me there. But I didn't see scumdonna so I don't know.
BELIEVE ME I KNOW
Haha, I still felt like I should say it since I won't be here (and if I was, I'd be fighting him on it even if he said he was our fucking doctor lol)
More evidence for Kyan/Donna as gossips - PB's reads (which otherwise feel kinda fake but I'm letting that go)
Kyan/Donna: I wish Donna would post more as with everyone else I’ve mentioned but I feel good about the pair as a whole and especially Kyan. His reads are insightful and feel honest. He doesn’t post many but when he does they’re observations I hadn’t made before which gives me a town vibe.
Kyan/Donna: I wish Donna would post more as with everyone else I’ve mentioned but I feel good about the pair as a whole and especially Kyan. His reads are insightful and feel honest. He doesn’t post many but when he does they’re observations I hadn’t made before which gives me a town vibe.
I am surprised that they flipped town because I mean...
Sorian has done absolutely nothing to help himself and neither has B-Dubs.
Gonna self vote the minute the day starts because I said I would in here though.
As for scum reads: I have none right now because my mind is still reeling from the revelation of Sorian = town.
That said Monkey.
The way Fantomas responded to the accusations against him/Zipped is interesting. (for the record, I will NEVER vote for someone who says "That's a slip" because most of the time, it's town seeing something that isn't there)
Sorian has done absolutely nothing to help himself and neither has B-Dubs.
Gonna self vote the minute the day starts because I said I would in here though.
As for scum reads: I have none right now because my mind is still reeling from the revelation of Sorian = town.
That said Monkey.
The way Fantomas responded to the accusations against him/Zipped is interesting. (for the record, I will NEVER vote for someone who says "That's a slip" because most of the time, it's town seeing something that isn't there)
Oh and being accused of being dismissive. I certainly don't feel like I am. I do get annoyed by attacks (as we spoke about earlier with Brazil's comments).
Oh my biggest scumreads right now are probably Brazil/Flux, Fanto/Zipped and Geno/Sparks.
Brazil/Flux: The way Brazil acts when being called out gives me bad feels. Not feeling great on Flux either but I'd have to reread him to say why but needless to say, just not feeling him.
Fanto/Zipped: What I said above, the way Fanto reacted to the accusations plus Zipped's quietness. That 'slip' has nothing to do with it.
Geno/Sparks: Just a gut feeling right now.
Oh my biggest scumreads right now are probably Brazil/Flux, Fanto/Zipped and Geno/Sparks.
Brazil/Flux: The way Brazil acts when being called out gives me bad feels. Not feeling great on Flux either but I'd have to reread him to say why but needless to say, just not feeling him.
Fanto/Zipped: What I said above, the way Fanto reacted to the accusations plus Zipped's quietness. That 'slip' has nothing to do with it.
Geno/Sparks: Just a gut feeling right now.
Oh....
oooooh....
I'm starting to think SkyChuggs might be scum.
Little things stick out to me like Chuggs made a number of joke posts yesterday or posts that aren't much. (Sorry Chuggs if you are town and then read this haha). On top of that, asking me for my case on Sorian feels like a pocket attempt to keep me thinking of him as town. Might be wrong on that but reading back in the thread is making me go "hmm"
thoughts?
oooooh....
I'm starting to think SkyChuggs might be scum.
Little things stick out to me like Chuggs made a number of joke posts yesterday or posts that aren't much. (Sorry Chuggs if you are town and then read this haha). On top of that, asking me for my case on Sorian feels like a pocket attempt to keep me thinking of him as town. Might be wrong on that but reading back in the thread is making me go "hmm"
thoughts?
Please don't self-vote. It's viewed so automatically bad by so many and it doesn't gain anything but negative attention and we're gonna be fighting enough of that anyway. If we assume they will misvote us today, then they can't fuck up any more after that, really, so we have to focus on making sure either we live or they are in good shape after we live, or scum will sweep.
I've been thinking a lot about Fanto and Zipped. I'll post about them in a little bit - gotta take my daughter to school, etc. back soon. Surprised you weren't taken.
I've been thinking a lot about Fanto and Zipped. I'll post about them in a little bit - gotta take my daughter to school, etc. back soon. Surprised you weren't taken.
Problem is, I assume everyone will be gunning for us. I don't think we can get anymore negative attention than we will.
That said. I'm happy I wasn't taken, I wanted to be able to discuss things since I was asleep during EOD.
Funny thing btw: That thing between Sorian and Dubs (Dubs: No PR. Sorian: No need to claim) would have made me reconsider just because of the weirdness of that timing.
Seriously though, Sorian did not help his case. He hurt town and thus I can't say I regret my vote that much.
Okay.
I don't think Fanto and Zipped are scum. They had TERRIBLE reactions to the slip thing but I wanted to see Sorian's flip before anything else so I didn't vote there and I'm glad because I think it would have been a mistake and then today we'd have repeated us v Sorian and the game would be all but lost. The thing that got me more was Fanto going at ME over people actually voting for him. Zipped is always quiet. That means nothing. Fanto is the key there and while the vote-shopping is not a good look, going back over Fanto, though he's been quieter, he does not have the air of scumFanto.
You know who does have the air of his scumself? malus. And Pirate Bae's reads were F A K E. She started scummy, ended scummy, and did nothing in between. I believe I'm on the fake claim train now. Unfortunately Sorian called this out as me trying to set it up so it's gonna be suspect but I don't care. Check this:
There's no reason to breadcrumb that obviously that early that you are a cop.
There's no reason to reveal that you are one shot. Seriously. None. That's not bad play. That's a bad claim. That's the hole.
I believe that if she gets any pressure, she will reveal the gossips. That's why we need to apply pressure. She's not holding them because she thinks they're town; she knows they are. She's holding them as a hail mary again. And don't say this in the thread, but - if she gets too much pressure, she throws the game. SO LET'S MAKE HER THROW IT.
I believe this is also why Fran died. Fran would have chased her forever. Fran does not let go of a thing. I don't think we'll die today because she was ramping up to get us killed today - that's why she started siding with Sorian after votes picked up there. I don't know if they will kill Coolest and LP but it wouldn't surprise me, since they are basically confirmed.
Her reads do not mention the double vote on CS/LP. She ignores anything about Geno/Sparks and rac/VA and just says they are not active. That's not true and she knows more about the pairs than that. If Brazil/Flux are town, she sets up a possible future vote there. Most of her reads too are loose, easy, could go either way. These are fake scum reads. They are picking the easiest, most obvious, surface things and leaving an out in every place possible. The only teams she really reads as town are Kyan/Donna (see above, re: hail mary) and Ab/Fat. Look at her read on Fanto/Zipped and tell me that's not scum reading town: https://www.resetera.com/threads/love-boat-3-mafia-ot-this-time-its-bearsonal.116855/post-20992357
If they are scum, maybe Chuggs and Sky. PB asked what the other train was and voted Xbro around it. She had them as "light scum" for reasons that made more since than the Xbro/Reki reasons but she didn't switch there.
I don't think Fanto and Zipped are scum. They had TERRIBLE reactions to the slip thing but I wanted to see Sorian's flip before anything else so I didn't vote there and I'm glad because I think it would have been a mistake and then today we'd have repeated us v Sorian and the game would be all but lost. The thing that got me more was Fanto going at ME over people actually voting for him. Zipped is always quiet. That means nothing. Fanto is the key there and while the vote-shopping is not a good look, going back over Fanto, though he's been quieter, he does not have the air of scumFanto.
You know who does have the air of his scumself? malus. And Pirate Bae's reads were F A K E. She started scummy, ended scummy, and did nothing in between. I believe I'm on the fake claim train now. Unfortunately Sorian called this out as me trying to set it up so it's gonna be suspect but I don't care. Check this:
There's no reason to breadcrumb that obviously that early that you are a cop.
There's no reason to reveal that you are one shot. Seriously. None. That's not bad play. That's a bad claim. That's the hole.
I believe that if she gets any pressure, she will reveal the gossips. That's why we need to apply pressure. She's not holding them because she thinks they're town; she knows they are. She's holding them as a hail mary again. And don't say this in the thread, but - if she gets too much pressure, she throws the game. SO LET'S MAKE HER THROW IT.
I believe this is also why Fran died. Fran would have chased her forever. Fran does not let go of a thing. I don't think we'll die today because she was ramping up to get us killed today - that's why she started siding with Sorian after votes picked up there. I don't know if they will kill Coolest and LP but it wouldn't surprise me, since they are basically confirmed.
Her reads do not mention the double vote on CS/LP. She ignores anything about Geno/Sparks and rac/VA and just says they are not active. That's not true and she knows more about the pairs than that. If Brazil/Flux are town, she sets up a possible future vote there. Most of her reads too are loose, easy, could go either way. These are fake scum reads. They are picking the easiest, most obvious, surface things and leaving an out in every place possible. The only teams she really reads as town are Kyan/Donna (see above, re: hail mary) and Ab/Fat. Look at her read on Fanto/Zipped and tell me that's not scum reading town: https://www.resetera.com/threads/love-boat-3-mafia-ot-this-time-its-bearsonal.116855/post-20992357
If they are scum, maybe Chuggs and Sky. PB asked what the other train was and voted Xbro around it. She had them as "light scum" for reasons that made more since than the Xbro/Reki reasons but she didn't switch there.
No, I don't either. I think there were plenty of logical reasons to stay there. And it's okay if we go, but we have to set a path for town. So today we have to work.
Chuggs and Sky sitting on Sorian early and then basically checking out other than Sky trying to play both ends I think definitely makes them scum, too. I will talk about Bae but that's where I'm going to push. I think that also cements Verelios and Apollo as town. They may be the kill tonight if none of the confirmeds are, because I assume scum knows Chuggs and Sky will be more of a target today.
rac/VA will not die unless they are the real cops. I almost wish now I hadn't said that yesterday. Fuck. But I wasn't sure until I started digging again. PB's reads set off big alarm bells but I couldn't dig into them yesterday like I wanted.
rac/VA will not die unless they are the real cops. I almost wish now I hadn't said that yesterday. Fuck. But I wasn't sure until I started digging again. PB's reads set off big alarm bells but I couldn't dig into them yesterday like I wanted.
That is some very good thinking there Monkey.
I HIGHLY doubt we'll be killed tonight since we're perfect fodder for today.
Todays NK though, I am curious about, hmm.
That said, I have a feeling I'll still be accused of not doing much, being dismissive, overly defensive, etc V_V
that said, I'm gonna try and keep positive and hopefully we can help out town today.
I HIGHLY doubt we'll be killed tonight since we're perfect fodder for today.
Todays NK though, I am curious about, hmm.
That said, I have a feeling I'll still be accused of not doing much, being dismissive, overly defensive, etc V_V
that said, I'm gonna try and keep positive and hopefully we can help out town today.
I think the thing we have to really dig into is who's the last one. There's someone probably not on anyone's radar. I don't know who it is, though. It COULD be Geno and Sparks but honestly, Sparks saying "to the lover's suite" makes me think it's not. It's a small thing but he has slipped over so many things before that it feels like they're just town.
It COULD be Brazil and Flux but I don't want to just start back where we were.
It COULD be Brazil and Flux but I don't want to just start back where we were.
It's true. But if Bae is scum I think he's definitely town. She is the link.
That would suck haha.
yeah I see all
I'll try and do that later on yeah. I don't feel good or bad about Natiko though. Terra I like though but I don't think I've seen Terra scum.
This Natiko post is weird:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/love-boat-3-mafia-ot-this-time-its-bearsonal.116855/post-20992363
He's not the one person Verelios ignored. Vere ignored a few. But would scum bring this up?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/love-boat-3-mafia-ot-this-time-its-bearsonal.116855/post-20992363
He's not the one person Verelios ignored. Vere ignored a few. But would scum bring this up?
I don't think I played in that game unless I'm misremembering something.
I was going to make a post as well that basically admits that we know we fucked up (though Sorian didn't help his case) and that we will be doing our best to help town today and hope people will look over it after we are lunched
something to that affect.
I think it will be good to same-page it.
I wonder who the gossips took. If it wasn't us, I bet it was Fanto.
how so?
This is an interesting post from Bae
I have that one open too.
It could, but that's why it's not the only evidence. Just a piece.
No clue.
He was very quick to say this. kinda suspicious yeah?
Geno can’t rattle me. No one should rattle us. We are dead anyway.
Don’t think Vincent was particularly sus unless they’ve been bussing Bae.
I did and he ignored it.
I think doing it is in the best interest of town now. Get reactions (and shuts Geno up)
I'm leaning more town on SkyChuggs right now but we'll see. Feeling bad about Rexbro though. Reki had a couple bad reads in that list - reads that don't make much sense - and the more I look at d2 wagons, the more I think that was a showvote. That train wasn't taking off. Not compared to the pile on Sorian. But I'm waiting to hear from Reki before I present them as potential teammates.