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This means... Sparks is scum. At least it's more likely than not.
I think there is a high chance of scum between Swamped and Stan.
Zeke gets pushed down the suspicion ladder. He could've used the Febe push to get town cred for something that might not end in a lunch, but I think he's looking townie.
Melon though. What is her deal this game? She lashed out at Swamped and had some interaction with Stan on the last page. Did she ever talk with Febe?
I think there is a high chance of scum between Swamped and Stan.
Zeke gets pushed down the suspicion ladder. He could've used the Febe push to get town cred for something that might not end in a lunch, but I think he's looking townie.
Melon though. What is her deal this game? She lashed out at Swamped and had some interaction with Stan on the last page. Did she ever talk with Febe?
When Sparks had 3 votes, Stan unvotes nin bringing him from 4 to 3 and Swamped goes Kopite 2 to 3. Both actions look like they are not scum with Sparks. Is Sparks scum though?
Febe saved him D1, but why the sudden vote today, when Febe was under fire? Save face? Or trying to end the discussion about the d1 votes with Spark flipping town?
What about Febe/Stan/Melon. Mhm let's look.
Edit: Sorry about the 5 million posts in a row
@Fantomas You're sleeping through it. AGAIN
Febe saved him D1, but why the sudden vote today, when Febe was under fire? Save face? Or trying to end the discussion about the d1 votes with Spark flipping town?
What about Febe/Stan/Melon. Mhm let's look.
Edit: Sorry about the 5 million posts in a row
@Fantomas You're sleeping through it. AGAIN
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Scum Spoilers
Zeke seems to be starting to realize now that the Miller claim is fake, yeah. He made a note in Scum chat that Swamped could be lying. He wants to push for her during the day.
They have been worried that there is a third party faction, but they seemed to be thinking it would be a Cult or a second Scum team I guess.
They have been worried that there is a third party faction, but they seemed to be thinking it would be a Cult or a second Scum team I guess.
Interesting, I still think they will shoot Aeleus though
No need to, they don't gain anything by it, next day won't start any sooner.Cmon there is a claimed red check
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I don't know that I would say anyone, but yes I don't think it'll convince enough.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Holy crap a lot happened while I was asleep. Have to say I'm pretty proud of myself for guessing that Fireblend is scum (And i did it without looking at the spoilers I have read too) though I will say his claim is an interesting one.
Only a few people have commented on it so I'm interested what the others will say about it.
Either way the best way to find out of Aeleus is lying or not is by killing Fireblend so let's do this.
(Sorry mentor :o)
Also my reaction to Kits for a while there:
Only a few people have commented on it so I'm interested what the others will say about it.
Either way the best way to find out of Aeleus is lying or not is by killing Fireblend so let's do this.
(Sorry mentor :o)Also my reaction to Kits for a while there:
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Fireblend
ABLF
What's nice about this is after the game I can attribute either town's or scum's win to me being lunched. ABLF works both ways :D
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yeah I really do not get why no one is suspicious of Sparks at all. The dude has been hella weird (even more so than normal) and everyone is giving him a pass.
Assuming what I previously said happens. 4-2-1, if town mislynches Mao and scum doesn't shoot swamped/they don't shoot the same person then it's 1-2-1, so it's over. Town cannot afford to Mislynch and I hope they realize that when another 2 kill night happens, you just don't lynch Mao in Mylo
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
You played a very good game. Something about your posts was a bit off to me, but other wise you were doing pretty good.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yes, there were some interesting ways that it could have been used.
With the Snitch role in play, they could have killed the Snitch early, got a Role Cop shot from them, and then used their Janitor shot on the person whose role they already knew, making it so Town has less info than them. They also could have blindly hit the Snitch with the Janitor shot and received a random Role Cop shot without knowing where it came from, and Town wouldn't know they got it either. Also, the Coroner wouldn't be able to target the person who was Janitor killed since there would be no body left behind for them to check.
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
Flavor does not mean alignment, I will keep repeating this xD
True but if Max is not part of the Vortex club in the game(I haven't played it), then it's fair to assume Mao is not scum. Because of consistency in the flavor. Also it can't even be a fakeclaim since this power makes sense for Max to have.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Yes I know but I mainly argue that in this case Max should be town considering Chloe was.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, now that they can see that Scum's flavor is The Vortex Club, anyone who has played the game should feel safe assuming this.
The fun part is that there are still characters on Town that are technically part of the Vortex Club, but just don't take part in any of their shady activities, like Dana and Juliet. So the claims people provide are not going to 100% clear them in all cases, but a character like Max who used that power, I would say they are pretty clear now.
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
Oh right so that means Kits might look more suspect now that she has claimed as Juliet.
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
And why does the flavor have to be consistent? Fanto could have written his own AU where Max is in the Vortex Club. What I'm saying is that people shouldn't rely on flavor just because it makes sense compared to the original product, gamerunners can easily do the opposite if they want to.
edit: or to be more succinct, flavor being related to the design should never be taken for granted, most people here just do it that way.
I mean sure but, Occams razor. What's more likely?
Fireblend
ABLF
Thanks! It was fun to play. It's a shame I got hit by the cop, think I could've survived another day at least but that's mafia :D
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Aeleus submitted that check on you within like a minute of N2 starting lol.
I had your flip pre-typed at day start. :P
The thing about Mao is he shouldn't be townread because of flavour, but because of his actions? His whole gambit was to create reactions and jumpstart the game. Especially the resolution felt logical. This is my power, that was my plan, now look at how everyone behaved. I'm not saying it was a good gambit, and he probably hoped it would be more helpful, but it is what it is.
Melon accuses him of not being involved and shallow. But he has made it a point to respond to every single topic that came up. It may only have been a few sentences, but I'm certain that you can find his opinion on any issue (i.e. rac's claim, bomb talk, miller claim, etc.) He's voicing everything in a concise way. What I'm missing is a tangible scumhunting effort, but maybe melon will turn out to be just that.
He's not 100% cleared townie, but I'd worry over him as the last scum and we still got some way to go to there. I'd wish people would ask more of his opinion, so you'd get some more interactions.
Edit: Of course there was also the suspicious inaction EoD1, but that could be a different MO.
Melon accuses him of not being involved and shallow. But he has made it a point to respond to every single topic that came up. It may only have been a few sentences, but I'm certain that you can find his opinion on any issue (i.e. rac's claim, bomb talk, miller claim, etc.) He's voicing everything in a concise way. What I'm missing is a tangible scumhunting effort, but maybe melon will turn out to be just that.
He's not 100% cleared townie, but I'd worry over him as the last scum and we still got some way to go to there. I'd wish people would ask more of his opinion, so you'd get some more interactions.
Edit: Of course there was also the suspicious inaction EoD1, but that could be a different MO.
@Fireblend you did good. Town wasn't really looking your way (well, apart from the cop d'uh). For me, you've been a tad too confident in your reads and you lacked in scumhunting. It didn't feel right, not sincere. Also that EoD1 would've never happened that way if you were town. 10 out of 10 times you ping Mao at least one more time and ask him to change directly, but you didn't. You also didn't want to decide the lynch on your own. Calling it a terrible EoD was just the icing.
Furthermore you tend to react more strongly/emotional to criticism. I don't remember you being this snarky as town:
Furthermore you tend to react more strongly/emotional to criticism. I don't remember you being this snarky as town:
Fireblend said:
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yes! I just got some in a little bit ago.
Night Actions:
The SK is killing Mao.
Scum is killing Aeleus.
The only other player left with a night action is the Town Coroner, and they have not used it yet.
Scum is killing Aeleus.
The only other player left with a night action is the Town Coroner, and they have not used it yet.
some rambling:
It's time to figure out the rest of scum. My instincts tell me Sparks + Melon look like a reasonable team.
I feel good about Zeke, the casual two posts about hider + response from Febe could be fake, but I don't think so (1301-1303). The fact that he was suspicious of Febe after D1, but didn't really push him, leaves some doubt. And you always have some doubt in these games. There was some ganging up on kits from Febe + Zeke, was that intentional?
Swamped has a lower impact on the game, she's around and seems to be working with whatever time she has. The problem is I know she's great as scum. I'd still give her lower priority.
Now why would Scum!Stan talk himself out of a Nin and Mao lynch D1? Already planning to get them later? The chill response to Mao's gambit was untypically. Scum playing it cool?
Sparks is unreadable, comes in throws some words around and leaves.
Melon was very antagonistic all game. No matter who she talks with.
Reread is necessary, especially interactions. It's possible that Fireblend lacked discussion with his partners in thread.
It's time to figure out the rest of scum. My instincts tell me Sparks + Melon look like a reasonable team.
I feel good about Zeke, the casual two posts about hider + response from Febe could be fake, but I don't think so (1301-1303). The fact that he was suspicious of Febe after D1, but didn't really push him, leaves some doubt. And you always have some doubt in these games. There was some ganging up on kits from Febe + Zeke, was that intentional?
Swamped has a lower impact on the game, she's around and seems to be working with whatever time she has. The problem is I know she's great as scum. I'd still give her lower priority.
Now why would Scum!Stan talk himself out of a Nin and Mao lynch D1? Already planning to get them later? The chill response to Mao's gambit was untypically. Scum playing it cool?
Sparks is unreadable, comes in throws some words around and leaves.
Melon was very antagonistic all game. No matter who she talks with.
Reread is necessary, especially interactions. It's possible that Fireblend lacked discussion with his partners in thread.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
As long as no one is hella against it, I will probably go open spoilers once this day phase starts.
And just so hopefully everyone sees this:
Planning to go open spoilers at the start of the day
Let me know if anyone really doesn't want open spoilers yet though, otherwise yeah I'm probably gunna do that since we'll be getting low on remaining players pretty soon here.
Nope, still the same.
Can't re-read right now to get data to back any of this, so bad, quick and mostly meta-based reads;
Town
Aeleus: unless that was the bussing of the season this is obvious.
Mao: as Pedro said you can never discount the chance, but both the power and the flavor clear him in my opinion.
Kitsunelaine: this was kind of a spoiler with the whole snitch thing. I don't think she'll get night-killed considering she'll be suspected today, but if the eventual night-vig still has a shot it could happen.
rac: loving rac this game. High impact factor, he's been making good points without huge posts.
Swamped: she had more of a presence in earlier days, but always sounded reasonable. That doesn't clear her, but if I was playing I wouldn't vote there yet. Then there's the claim too.
EzekelRAGE: Zeke always looks suspicious to me, but so far he's been acting normal and even pushed Fireblend a bit last phase. Then again mafia!Zeke bussed hard last game.
melonrabbit: I believe this is my first time reading melonrabbit and she looks a bit too reactive. Unsure here considering it could be just a playstyle thing.
Stantastic: as has been said, Stan reads a bit too calm and collected for my liking. It may be him trying something a bit different though, as Ms. Bird pointed out.
Funky Dude Sparks: Sparks is always a hard read for me with such a crazy playstyle. But this lunch has been postponed for days now. Like come on.
Mafia
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
Welcome, Aeleus!
You did good! The gambit to get your check out in the open was maybe a bit risky, and definitely sent poor Rac on an emotional roller coaster ride while you were asleep, but it all worked out well in the end at least haha.
Forgot about sparks, no way they're town.
Day end got me into a life is strange mood so I played episode 1, had a good time but my major take away is that 'to all of you' is one of the most lame yet most catchy songs I've ever heard.
Day end got me into a life is strange mood so I played episode 1, had a good time but my major take away is that 'to all of you' is one of the most lame yet most catchy songs I've ever heard.
I feel bad about it but I just couldn't risk it, on the plus side his reaction basically green checked him ;)
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Sawneeks
little green dog
agreeeed. pretty sure @Android Sophia made the last one :p
Always be lynching Fireblend, always be suspecting Zeke when he's on a scum vote. And his posts around Febe were all over the place. If anyone really analyzes the things he says, he's toast, but I don't know if anyone will.
Just caught up, loved the EOD. hahaha.
Prediction for scum (yes I saw the open spoiler thing but the day hasn't started yet so...)
Prediction for scum (yes I saw the open spoiler thing but the day hasn't started yet so...)
Febe/Zeke/Sparks/Melon
I already read earlier about Swamped so I excluded them from the above prediction. If I didn't know, I may have put them where I put Melon
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, so as I said, we will now be going OPEN SPOILERS in here from now on!
There are also spoilers for Life is Strange itself within the flavor, I'm sorry to anyone who hasn't played yet, but that's just how we decided to design the game.
We are in a 4 Town, 2 Mafia, 1 Neutral SK scenario here.
The Town:
Rac - 1-Shot Watcher, out of shots (Warren Graham)
Stantastic - 1-Shot Coroner (Dana Ward)
Kitsunelaine - Snitch (Juliet Watson)
Melonrabbit - Ordinary (Alyssa Anderson)
Rac targeted Vere on N1, but didn't see anyone visit him because Fireblend used the Ninja shot to kill Vere. However, at first he targeted Maolfunction, which is who Scum were roleblocking, but he later switched to Vere. So Rac's N1 instincts were to target one of Scum's two night targets with his one Watch shot. He is really good.
The Coroner can target a dead player to learn the flavor name of their killer. Yes, Stan is essentially a flavor cop for the second game in a row. :P
The Snitch does what Kits said it does. If she dies at night, her killer will learn the name and role of a random Town player. It was most effective early in the game, hence her apparently trying to get herself voted out for most of the game so far unfortunately.
Melon is the lone Vanilla, womp womp.
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The Mafia:
EzekelRAGE - Godmother (Victoria Chase)
Funky Dude Sparks - 2-Shot Roleblocker, out of shots (Taylor Christensen)
Mafia fake claims:
1-Shot Vig
Roleblocker
Restless Spirit
Mafia fake flavor claims:
Samuel Taylor
Daniel DaCosta
Rachel Amber
Zeke is planning to claim as Rachel Amber the Restless Spirit, and he has already breadcrumbed it in the thread. He is playing soooo good this game, he is one of the scariest Scums around, I love watching him do his thing in there.
Godmother is the same as a Godfather, I just changed the name to suit Victoria. If Zeke were to have been targeted by the Cop, the results would have said he was Town.
They roleblocked Mao on N1 because they thought he might be a Vig (and they apparently didn't see their fake claims... :P), but that didn't do anything since he had a day ability. Then they blocked Rac on N2 because they realized from his claim that he was likely a Watcher and they didn't know if he had any shots left, but he did not.
So, they didn't successfully block anyone, but I think their targets were well justified based on the info they had to work with; they weren't blind shots, they put thought into those targets.
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The Serial Killer:
Swamped - Neutral Serial Killer, 1-Shot BP Vest (Mark Jefferson)
Needs to be alive with only 1 Town and 1 Mafia, or less, to win.
Fake claim:
Hawt Dawg Man, the Miller.
Swamped did not submit a kill on N1. However, we can all join together and make Verelios feel better by pretending that she targeted Melonrabbit, which is who Vere protected on N1. :P
She killed Malus on N2, simply because Malus did not believe her Miller claim at all lol. She then killed Mao last night, I believe because she was specifically trying to not hit Scum.
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Overall, one of the main themes of the design was X-Shot roles, with the Motivator having a chance to possibly give any of them an extra shot. Unfortunately, the Motivator died without doing that, so the shots were limited for the best PRs on both Town and Scum.
Town are in a rough spot here tbh, but it was always going to be about effective PR use and/or just good old fashioned scum hunting in the first couple of days in order to get them in a good position in the later days. The Watcher getting countered by the Ninja shot on N1, the Hider/Doctor going out on D1/N1, and the Motivator not using their shot all definitely hurt them here for sure.
Scum seems a bit weak at first glance, but remember that there was the chance for a bonus kill if they hit the Hider's target, the Snitch being helpful if killed early, as well as the SK possibly helping by shooting Town at night with them. Scum was always going to need to lay low early and avoid/block/kill the best PRs, and I think they did that the best they could here, especially with Fireblend's choice to use the Ninja shot on N1 on Vere, who turned out to be the Doctor, since that paid off huge for them.
The SK seems a bit OP at first glance, but remember that they could have been voted out on D1 and become a complete non-factor, the Watcher could have seen them kill someone, the Cop's results would say Not Town on them, there was some protection on Town for them to run into, and their win con of being alive with just 1 Town and 1 Mafia, or less, is not easy. I kind of feel weird about giving them the Miller claim now just seeing Town's and Scum's reactions to it, but it was always up to them if they wanted to use it. Fireblend came up with his own role claim, I didn't tell Scum that Universal Backup was a safe claim, so it's always up to the player at the end of the day with that stuff.
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Now we just sit back and see what happens, anyone can still win, and it should hopefully be an exciting finish!
There are also spoilers for Life is Strange itself within the flavor, I'm sorry to anyone who hasn't played yet, but that's just how we decided to design the game.
We are in a 4 Town, 2 Mafia, 1 Neutral SK scenario here.
The Town:
Rac - 1-Shot Watcher, out of shots (Warren Graham)
Stantastic - 1-Shot Coroner (Dana Ward)
Kitsunelaine - Snitch (Juliet Watson)
Melonrabbit - Ordinary (Alyssa Anderson)
Rac targeted Vere on N1, but didn't see anyone visit him because Fireblend used the Ninja shot to kill Vere. However, at first he targeted Maolfunction, which is who Scum were roleblocking, but he later switched to Vere. So Rac's N1 instincts were to target one of Scum's two night targets with his one Watch shot. He is really good.
The Coroner can target a dead player to learn the flavor name of their killer. Yes, Stan is essentially a flavor cop for the second game in a row. :P
The Snitch does what Kits said it does. If she dies at night, her killer will learn the name and role of a random Town player. It was most effective early in the game, hence her apparently trying to get herself voted out for most of the game so far unfortunately.
Melon is the lone Vanilla, womp womp.
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The Mafia:
EzekelRAGE - Godmother (Victoria Chase)
Funky Dude Sparks - 2-Shot Roleblocker, out of shots (Taylor Christensen)
Mafia fake claims:
1-Shot Vig
Roleblocker
Restless Spirit
Mafia fake flavor claims:
Daniel DaCosta
Rachel Amber
Zeke is planning to claim as Rachel Amber the Restless Spirit, and he has already breadcrumbed it in the thread. He is playing soooo good this game, he is one of the scariest Scums around, I love watching him do his thing in there.
Godmother is the same as a Godfather, I just changed the name to suit Victoria. If Zeke were to have been targeted by the Cop, the results would have said he was Town.
They roleblocked Mao on N1 because they thought he might be a Vig (and they apparently didn't see their fake claims... :P), but that didn't do anything since he had a day ability. Then they blocked Rac on N2 because they realized from his claim that he was likely a Watcher and they didn't know if he had any shots left, but he did not.
So, they didn't successfully block anyone, but I think their targets were well justified based on the info they had to work with; they weren't blind shots, they put thought into those targets.
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The Serial Killer:
Swamped - Neutral Serial Killer, 1-Shot BP Vest (Mark Jefferson)
Needs to be alive with only 1 Town and 1 Mafia, or less, to win.
Fake claim:
Hawt Dawg Man, the Miller.
Swamped did not submit a kill on N1. However, we can all join together and make Verelios feel better by pretending that she targeted Melonrabbit, which is who Vere protected on N1. :P
She killed Malus on N2, simply because Malus did not believe her Miller claim at all lol. She then killed Mao last night, I believe because she was specifically trying to not hit Scum.
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Overall, one of the main themes of the design was X-Shot roles, with the Motivator having a chance to possibly give any of them an extra shot. Unfortunately, the Motivator died without doing that, so the shots were limited for the best PRs on both Town and Scum.
Town are in a rough spot here tbh, but it was always going to be about effective PR use and/or just good old fashioned scum hunting in the first couple of days in order to get them in a good position in the later days. The Watcher getting countered by the Ninja shot on N1, the Hider/Doctor going out on D1/N1, and the Motivator not using their shot all definitely hurt them here for sure.
Scum seems a bit weak at first glance, but remember that there was the chance for a bonus kill if they hit the Hider's target, the Snitch being helpful if killed early, as well as the SK possibly helping by shooting Town at night with them. Scum was always going to need to lay low early and avoid/block/kill the best PRs, and I think they did that the best they could here, especially with Fireblend's choice to use the Ninja shot on N1 on Vere, who turned out to be the Doctor, since that paid off huge for them.
The SK seems a bit OP at first glance, but remember that they could have been voted out on D1 and become a complete non-factor, the Watcher could have seen them kill someone, the Cop's results would say Not Town on them, there was some protection on Town for them to run into, and their win con of being alive with just 1 Town and 1 Mafia, or less, is not easy. I kind of feel weird about giving them the Miller claim now just seeing Town's and Scum's reactions to it, but it was always up to them if they wanted to use it. Fireblend came up with his own role claim, I didn't tell Scum that Universal Backup was a safe claim, so it's always up to the player at the end of the day with that stuff.
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Now we just sit back and see what happens, anyone can still win, and it should hopefully be an exciting finish!
Fanto
Confirmed Town
You would! :P
Town might lynch her today, depends on if Zeke can convince them or not.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
She isn't town.
Yeah wtf did they forget or sth.