Per Me Caeci Vident

[lokiduck]

I actually can still talk it turned out. So if you guys want to discuss we can, but it'll be better when I'm home after I go shopping today.

Anyways, good news is no one automatically asked me if I'm illuminati so yay!!! But people will I'm sure. Should my first post about tomorrow be denying the accusation with a dismissive comment like "I have no idea what Apop was even talking about with that secret illuminati group nonsense"

if people ask what my response to him was I'll say "I said that because he was accusing me right before I left for the day which basically left me unable to defend myself if people decided to believe his accusations. Thanks town BTW for not believing him, I knew you could do it and not believe him. 8D

In either case I have no idea what the hell he was talking about." If people point out my trusting Fando I'll say that "I didn't like his voting history but liked his other posts. After day 5 however he was on my scum list after that last minute switch back to LP. I was honestly shocked to find out he was killed the next day and it really sucks we don't know his alignment, but I think he was scum possibly."

If Ket comes up I'll say I was feeling null on her, and was only sad to see her go because she was my partner in my first game :< If others speculate they were masons I'll support that theory.

Anyways that is some of what I have planned if the illuminati stuff comes up.

 

[lokiduck]

Let me know if I should even address IMAO, though the better strat maybe to ignore it unless someone brings it up?

Otherwise the focus tonight will be on planning how we deal with our main suspects. Chuggs is probably one of mine. I'll link back to my post about his votes, though I'm not going to get much out of him since he's basically asking to be killed.

 

[lokiduck]

There is a high possibility that scum has access to this chat since not only did Apop know about the illuminati and who it's members are (unless he really did look for breadcrumbs like that maybe scum had previously) and the bigger part that he knew the infinity stones are not items and apart of our PMs. Again I think I'm right about that and that's concerning, but despite that I have had a lot of fun working with you guys and I want us to succeed even if some/all of you betray me. ;-; That's why I continue in being honest with my plans even if it fucks me over.

I'm honestly a chatty cathy so it can't be helped.

 

[lokiduck]

I will not forgive you guys though if any scum-members here kept me alive only to torment me though :<

 

[lokiduck]

Also lol I will def miss EoD Friday though because of my wisdom teeth extraction. Here's hoping things go well before then.

 

[lokiduck]

There's a chance scum RB'd Stu last night and they might do it again so VA dies so Natiko looks bad though and he has to play catch up still. XD

 

[Illuminati member 2]

I'd say just move on and ignore it. The game is so dense and complex people may just forget anyway. Only bring it up if someone else does bring it up against you.

Also lol I will def miss EoD Friday though because of my wisdom teeth extraction. Here's hoping things go well before then.

Woooof. Good luck. Eat lots of ice cream!

 

[Illuminati member 2]

There's a chance scum RB'd Stu last night and they might do it again so VA dies so Natiko looks bad though and he has to play catch up still. XD

Also that's a good theory and I support it. Was thinking why Stu couldn't fall on the sword but there we go

 

[lokiduck]

I'd say just move on and ignore it. The game is so dense and complex people may just forget anyway. Only bring it up if someone else does bring it up against you.

Woooof. Good luck. Eat lots of ice cream!

Thanks! I'll just make sure to talk a bunch on the two days before which will be hard with my work schedule but hey I'll also just avoid any discussion of the illuminati unless asked, though that's why I'm making contingency plans for if I get asked about a certain thing.

Also that's a good theory and I support it. Was thinking why Stu couldn't fall on the sword but there we go

Considering how many roleblocks there are in the game it's extremely possible and would explain why I'm strong willed and why wee might have had a work around for that n1 roleblock.

 

[lokiduck]

So what's the stance on how we should handle Chuggs? He seems to be not really putting up much of a fight which is weird but he might use that to his advantage.

 

[lokiduck]

Right so my plan tonight is to look over the votes for today see how they are affected by previous ones, and make a quick reads list of all the people still in the game and mu stance on them based on what we know. I'd love us to have more discussions if we can. I get we possibly and probably have scum in here but it'd be nice to talk anyways. If not I'm grinding in my event and possibly doing a super hard fight where I have to take damage for a million turns.

 

[Illuminati Member 5]

Nation is giving me weird vibes. He chooses to “catchup” by reading the thread from day 1. Allowing him to coast on anything real this day phase. His vote on sorian when she tied it up with apop was very weird. And he withdrew it very easily.

If he plans on using his power to someone, why even bother to catch up on the thread in the first place?

 

[lokiduck]

Nation is giving me weird vibes. He chooses to “catchup” by reading the thread from day 1. Allowing him to coast on anything real this day phase. His vote on sorian when she tied it up with apop was very weird. And he withdrew it very easily.

If he plans on using his power to someone, why even bother to catch up on the thread in the first place?

Well there's always a chance the kill will be someone he doesn't want to save so he lets them die.

 

[lokiduck]

Vote analysis: a lot of people moving around but everyone on Apop stayed on him except for Sneeks who moved back at the end and started the train.

 

[Illuminati Member 5]

Vote analysis: a lot of people moving around but everyone on Apop stayed on him except for Sneeks who moved back at the end and started the train.

Think this is one where you have to look at the posts more than the votes. Faddy and Fran stick out to me.

 

[lokiduck]

Reads on current players:

Stuiko: Willing to believe Stuiko's claim since both have said the same thing which would be impressive considering how late Nat switched in. However I don't fully trust them. I def believe he's a neutral though because he wasted his Untargetable and BP removal shots, he let several town die, and his BP removal is pretty anti town especially as a counter to VA.

Voting history:
Day 1:
-Voted: Aeleus, TP, and finally Oliver as the last vote on him during the extension.
-Voted by Apop, Sorian, Malus, Puns, Swamped and ABs.
Day 2:
-Voted: Second voter on Swamped and stayed there.
-Voted by: Cat.
Day 3: Vote Blocked.
Day 4:
-Voted: Muffin
-Voted By: Zeke, Stan
Day 5:
-Voted: Muffin, Fran, Sorian
-Voted by: Faddy
Day 6: First vote Stu then replaced by Natiko
-Voted: Muffin, Sorian, Sneeks

Apop and Swamped have voted for him out of the scum which could still be early bussing. His voting has been pretty consistent though it's interesting that out of everything going on today Nat focused on Sneeks in the end. That vote stands out to me a little. Also as far as we know he has only voted Swamped scum wise.

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[lokiduck]

Think this is one where you have to look at the posts more than the votes. Faddy and Fran stick out to me.

Possibly, but I have this damn voting chart and I want to use it XD However now that I spent so long just doing Stu I may change my mind on that and just give an overview of stuff. Dx

 

[Illuminati member 2]

So what's the stance on how we should handle Chuggs? He seems to be not really putting up much of a fight which is weird but he might use that to his advantage.

NAI. It's a good stance to have as Town since you're expendable + he would benefit Town if he died with positive rep. As Scum it makes you look Townie and dissuades people from killing you since you 'are ok with dying and scum wouldn't be'.

He also didn't disagree with your theory from what I saw, he just said to kill him. Might want to bring that up next Phase.

Right so my plan tonight is to look over the votes for today see how they are affected by previous ones, and make a quick reads list of all the people still in the game and mu stance on them based on what we know. I'd love us to have more discussions if we can. I get we possibly and probably have scum in here but it'd be nice to talk anyways. If not I'm grinding in my event and possibly doing a super hard fight where I have to take damage for a million turns.

Agreed. I'ma try and gather more thoughts and look at the player list again + all these claims.

Nation is giving me weird vibes. He chooses to “catchup” by reading the thread from day 1. Allowing him to coast on anything real this day phase. His vote on sorian when she tied it up with apop was very weird. And he withdrew it very easily.

If he plans on using his power to someone, why even bother to catch up on the thread in the first place?

Honestly I do believe Nat is catching up on the game, that's just who he is regardless of the role. He likes to have a full view on the game itself.

Would a Scum!Stu with Apop go that hard against Muffin though? That's the part that I don't think adds up and pushes me into believing the full claim.

 

[lokiduck]

Right so:

Saw Puns: TP was really helpful and had earned my trust at least in this thread. I feel the same about Sneeks. Her also being a commuter means that Fran or VA is a liar so we'll see how that pans out. Voted for Muffin and Kits only has voted for scum once which was Apop today. Voted by Mao. If actually scum could probably fit in any team. Sneeks did start the train on Apop though.

Stanborealis: was largely a null and Stan seems pretty Stanny but I could get behind him possibly be scum especially since Fando was possibly the avenging bodyguard. I don't really see town having two of those so either we believe Fando via Brazil or we believe Stan and Fando did claim to protect me the night he told his bro so either he's good at keeping his cover up or Stan is a liar. Voted for Scum Swamped twice and town Kits and Ket while stan has voted for Stu and Sorian. Has not be voted by any scum that we know of, in fact only Kalor Sorian, and VA have voted for him. Not sure which scum team he would be on since Swamped votes could have been bussing.

Aeleus: I think he is town unless he was lying about Mao and Brazil being switched, but in that case I believe them because wee tried to put suspicion on them though they could be with FoL or FoD. Their power is provable though. Voted Zipped town wise and otherwise it's mostly scum with votes for Swamped, Mao, and Apop. Voted by only Swamped as far as scum goes. Don't think they were working with wee for sure, and probably not with swamped. If they are in fact scum it's with Apop I think.

ABs: Believe his claim but he is the one backing up VA so if VA is scum he probably is too. I could seem them as possibly being partners but also even as different scum teams just scum supporting scum since VA named the RB ability before ABs backed him up. His voting history isn't great as he didn't vote day 4 and he has only voted for Swamped. Most of his votes were on towns with thee votes on LP, and 2 on Ket. However so far he has only been voted by scum and Ket with Mao, Swamped, and Vere on him day 1. Ket was day 2. Since only scum has voted him it could be he is really town or he was being bussed.

Already have voiced my opinions on Chuggs. XD

Fantozeke: Half of the remaining players still haven't surpassed Fanto post wise :o I really trusted Fanto and so far I have trusted Zeke. I could see scum him actually claiming switcher despite the risk as a gambit, but I also htink he could be the town switcher. Fanto voted Swamped a bunch on day 2 XD and Zeke Apop. They also voted OJ, LP, Muffin, and Kits though Kits was the only permanent one. Fanto can't have swapped Mao and Brazil for the TD because of the RB unless his team has a way of getting around it, so I don't think he's the switcher for Mao's team unless we learn of such an ability. Swamped had a redirect type role so if he's on a team it's possibly Apop's? Otherwise still think he is town.

Faddy: The most suspicious thing about him is that he has mainly followed Fanto and then Brazil around the voting trains which he claims is because he agrees with them. He also waited his double vote lol on Aeleus. Voted Swamped day 1 but voted Aeleus day 2. Has only permanently voted Swamped as he voted Apop day 5 but dropped for LP. Helped in voting out LP and voted Ket. Voted by Swamped only as far as know scum goes and that wasn't a permanent one. Def think he might be a good scum candidate for tomorrow. Honestly wonder if he's was partnered with Swampped lol.

Fran: It's Sneeks vs VA vs him tomorrow so figuring that out will help us figure out who is scum. His vote on Sneeks with out even considering the possibility of two commuters was interesting. Voted out Swamped and Mao, but also voted for Ket and had voted at one point for LP and OJ. Voted by no known scum at all. Not sure what scum team he would be on since both scum votes could have been bussing. If he's town that proves my claim on Chuggs rotating between town and scum.

lokiduck: The towniest town to ever town. She stupidly helped vote out LP when she had doubts, but she has voted for Swamped, Mao, and Apop, all peeps she was scum reading. Wasted her abilities though. The fact she checked the town miller will forever haunt her dreams.

Cat: I really do not know what to make of Cat. She has been mostly confused most of the game but has the 3 most posts in the game. She also seems pretty stubborn with her voting. I could see her as a town Plague Doc, but I wonder if it could also be a role on a scum team other than Mao's to foil his plans and come off towny. Voted Apop twice but never permanently, only voted for Mao. Voted OJ and Kits, didn't stay on Zipped or LP, also voted VA two days in a row so she's committed to seeing him dead. Said a mildly threatening comment during the question phase. Only voted by Kits Lol despite Fran being on her case for fucking days. Wonder if there's a connection between them. Could be connected with Apop, if anything not on Mao's team.

Sorian: Largely town read him but def willing to consider him a candidate for scum. At least he was honest about possibly switching alignments??? Only permanently voted Mao and Apop but also voted Ket and LP (in fact he voted for him three times and Nin once). Did vote Apop previously after those weird posts. Voted by Apop and wee. Not sure what team he would be on if he was scum.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

(Thanks Aeleus)

Aeleus: Man with No Name, 1-shot gladiator
Brazil: Ed and Ein, 2-shot Chat hacker
Fran: Alucard, X-shot Ascetic
Lokiduck: Captain America, Innocent cop/RB
TheChuggernaut: Arthur Morgan: Honourable voter
EzekelRAGE: Rick, 2-shot switcher
Stantastic: 1-shot Anti-Avenger
Vincent Alexander: Uther, doctor + 1-shot BP giver
Faddy: Villager, 1-shot double voter
Natiko: Yasuo, Town JOAT (Untargetable, BP stripper, death subsitute + Convertable SK)
Cat: Leon Kennedy, Virus doctor
Muffin: Megaman, Power Copier
Absolutbro: Solid Snake, 2-shot Item stealer + flavour cop
Sorian: Riku, Event death/ITA immune
Sawneeks: Sonic, X-Shot Commuter


Stan used up a shot when fran claims untargetable
Fandorin claimed to Brazil the role Stan is currently claiming

So out of everyone the confirmed town (for now i guess) are:
1. Ms. Duck
2. Muffin

STRONG instance of being Town due to PR/PR usage:
1. Brazil (from Muffin)
2. Faddy?
3. Cat
4. Muffin

The Problem Claims (Fran, Stan, VA):
1. Fran being X-shot Ascetic in a game with an x-shot Commuter (Sneeks)
2. Fran claims to have been Ascetic the Night Stan used his power on him. Stan never received a shot back.
3. Fando claimed to Brazil the same power that Stan now claims (i mixed this up in the thread with Stu)
4. Personally I don't think VA/Fran are telling the truth. I highly doubt all 3 of us are Town.

The ?????:
1. AbsolutBro (someone claimed they cleared themselves early on with a lunch? clarification would be ace)
2. Zeke
3. Chuggs
4. Aeleus
5. Sorian


Just from reading this chat I had a strong town lean on Fanto so I'd trust Zeke. I guess. Aeleus/Chuggs/Sorian are all targets I'm fine with as I have little on them or I find them suspect (i.e. sorian). AB seems to be relatively town locked due to something but i'm not 100% sure on what.

So if I had to take a stab I'd say the last Scum (which if it's 3 teams with 3 each we have 5 left/4 if one team has 2 only)

1. Aeleus
2. Chuggs
3. Sorian
4. Fran
5. ???

OR

1. Aeleus/Chuggs
2. Sorian
3. Stan
4. VA
5. AB

 

[lokiduck]

NAI. It's a good stance to have as Town since you're expendable + he would benefit Town if he died with positive rep. As Scum it makes you look Townie and dissuades people from killing you since you 'are ok with dying and scum wouldn't be'.

He also didn't disagree with your theory from what I saw, he just said to kill him. Might want to bring that up next Phase.

Yeah that is definitely something I'll point out tomorrow. I really do think his "kill me" stance is a cover to try and come off townie without being so. He figures town will keep him in and scum won't care about him enough to take him out, especially if he sticks with the plan of always rotating between scum and town.

Agreed. I'ma try and gather more thoughts and look at the player list again + all these claims.

Sounds like a plan. I just finished my vote analysis XD After going through them my big targets are Chuggs and Faddy.

 

[lokiduck]

Oh shit I missed Brazil!!!

 

[lokiduck]

Brazil is an interesting case. I massively town read him and Muffin backs him up. So if Muffin is town then Brazil is town, which means Fando claimed to be an avenger bodyguard to him. The weird things are the whole a lot of chat members dying and also only a few peeps were put in the chats (Brazil, LP, Sorian x2, Wee x2, Vere, and Fando) with again most being dead and unable to confirm XD Still think he's town though. Voted all scum on day 1 as he voted Mao and Swamped with a final vote on Swamped first two days. Voted Apop once on day 5 but ended up on VA. Voted Kits day 3. Hasn't been voted by confirmed Scum yet. He has a decent scum voting record.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

good vote analysis. love a good vote breakdown <3

Stanborealis: was largely a null and Stan seems pretty Stanny but I could get behind him possibly be scum especially since Fando was possibly the avenging bodyguard. I don't really see town having two of those so either we believe Fando via Brazil or we believe Stan and Fando did claim to protect me the night he told his bro so either he's good at keeping his cover up or Stan is a liar. Voted for Scum Swamped twice and town Kits and Ket while stan has voted for Stu and Sorian. Has not be voted by any scum that we know of, in fact only Kalor Sorian, and VA have voted for him. Not sure which scum team he would be on since Swamped votes could have been bussing.[/highlight]

Given he voted Swamped I'd say he isn't Forces of Light. That'd leave Darkness and Jedah as possibility since he didn't have votes on them.

Aeleus: I think he is town unless he was lying about Mao and Brazil being switched, but in that case I believe them because wee tried to put suspicion on them though they could be with FoL or FoD. Their power is provable though. Voted Zipped town wise and otherwise it's mostly scum with votes for Swamped, Mao, and Apop. Voted by only Swamped as far as scum goes. Don't think they were working with wee for sure, and probably not with swamped. If they are in fact scum it's with Apop I think.

How early were those scum votes? If he was relatively early on all I'd say he is basically Town unless he bussed. He has all 3 scum teams covered there.

ABs: Believe his claim but he is the one backing up VA so if VA is scum he probably is too. I could seem them as possibly being partners but also even as different scum teams just scum supporting scum since VA named the RB ability before ABs backed him up. His voting history isn't great as he didn't vote day 4 and he has only voted for Swamped. Most of his votes were on towns with thee votes on LP, and 2 on Ket. However so far he has only been voted by scum and Ket with Mao, Swamped, and Vere on him day 1. Ket was day 2. Since only scum has voted him it could be he is really town or he was being bussed.

Likely not FoL then. Could still be Darkness?

Faddy: The most suspicious thing about him is that he has mainly followed Fanto and then Brazil around the voting trains which he claims is because he agrees with them. He also waited his double vote lol on Aeleus. Voted Swamped day 1 but voted Aeleus day 2. Has only permanently voted Swamped as he voted Apop day 5 but dropped for LP. Helped in voting out LP and voted Ket. Voted by Swamped only as far as know scum goes and that wasn't a permanent one. Def think he might be a good scum candidate for tomorrow. Honestly wonder if he's was partnered with Swampped lol.

Also possible. A Double Voter on Scum isn't toooo weird. Could be Apop's buddy?

Fran: It's Sneeks vs VA vs him tomorrow so figuring that out will help us figure out who is scum. His vote on Sneeks with out even considering the possibility of two commuters was interesting. Voted out Swamped and Mao, but also voted for Ket and had voted at one point for LP and OJ. Voted by no known scum at all. Not sure what scum team he would be on since both scum votes could have been bussing. If he's town that proves my claim on Chuggs rotating between town and scum.

Could be Darkness or bussed Swamped depending on how early he was.

Though it's a good point that he went over to me and stayed off Apop. Wonder if he wanted to get me lunched instead of his buddy.

Sorian: Largely town read him but def willing to consider him a candidate for scum. At least he was honest about possibly switching alignments??? Only permanently voted Mao and Apop but also voted Ket and LP (in fact he voted for him three times and Nin once). Did vote Apop previously after those weird posts. Voted by Apop and wee. Not sure what team he would be on if he was scum.

(this just made me realize the OT isn't updated with the deaths right. @Geno plz)
Snorian doesn't like to bus so I could see him being FoL here.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

that wasn't meant to be in a quote. oops.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

(Thanks Aeleus)


So out of everyone the confirmed town (for now i guess) are:
1. Ms. Duck
2. Muffin

STRONG instance of being Town due to PR/PR usage:
1. Brazil (from Muffin)
2. Faddy?
3. Cat
4. Muffin

The Problem Claims (Fran, Stan, VA):
1. Fran being X-shot Ascetic in a game with an x-shot Commuter (Sneeks)
2. Fran claims to have been Ascetic the Night Stan used his power on him. Stan never received a shot back.
3. Fando claimed to Brazil the same power that Stan now claims (i mixed this up in the thread with Stu)
4. Personally I don't think VA/Fran are telling the truth. I highly doubt all 3 of us are Town.

The ?????:
1. AbsolutBro (someone claimed they cleared themselves early on with a lunch? clarification would be ace)
2. Zeke
3. Chuggs
4. Aeleus
5. Sorian


Just from reading this chat I had a strong town lean on Fanto so I'd trust Zeke. I guess. Aeleus/Chuggs/Sorian are all targets I'm fine with as I have little on them or I find them suspect (i.e. sorian). AB seems to be relatively town locked due to something but i'm not 100% sure on what.

So if I had to take a stab I'd say the last Scum (which if it's 3 teams with 3 each we have 5 left/4 if one team has 2 only)

1. Aeleus
2. Chuggs
3. Sorian
4. Fran
5. ???

OR

1. Aeleus/Chuggs
2. Sorian
3. Stan
4. VA
5. AB

I mathed wrong here since the OT is not up to date. :<

we should only have 4 Scum left, maybe 3.

Next post gonna look at who may be what team from them votes.

 

[lokiduck]

AbsolutBro (someone claimed they cleared themselves early on with a lunch? clarification would be ace)

First of all only Scum voted ABs on day 1 so either they were bussing or they all tried to get a townie out but it never took off. XD It's hilarious seeing it all red on my sheet.

He has claimed to be Solid Snake and is a flavor thief. He steals and item and is given a list of three flavors with the person being one of them. First he stole from Muffin and got Mega Man and two Hero Academia villains with copy abilities. Muffin claimed Mega Man and Geno backed that up with the mod confirm. Next night he stole Fanto's chip (which Zeke still wants lol) and got three Rick and Morty characters. Fanto claimed Rick naturally XD but people were weirded out that Muffin had different series and Fanto didn't.

I think at some point we all just believed ABs was town???

 

[lokiduck]

Sneeks: (About Aeleus) How early were those scum votes? If he was relatively early on all I'd say he is basically Town unless he bussed. He has all 3 scum teams covered there.

Day 2- THEY voted were the 13th to vote Swamped and did so after a lot of votes were growing on them. I think in response Faddy Double voted to put them back in the lead (So Faddy possibly saving Swamped?)

Day 4-They were the 6th to vote o middle of the pack no trains were really competing with Mao though since his claim was pretty fucking bad LOL.

Day 6- They were the 6th to vote near the end of the train.

They voted in the middle or late on all three.

 

[lokiduck]

Sneeks: (About ABs) Likely not FoL then. Could still be Darkness?

Agree there as him being light would have made that vote risky for them. Still could be apart of Darkness or Jedah though I lean Darkness since he could be there with VA lol.

 

[lokiduck]

Slightly wonder if Fando (since we don't know his flavor) was actually a BP maker besides an avenging bodyguard and that's where VA got that part of his claim from... meaning ABs could still be town.

 

[lokiduck]

Sneeks: (About Faddy) Also possible. A Double Voter on Scum isn't toooo weird. Could be Apop's buddy?

The first game I read had a scum DV, it's why I was so suspicious of Exodus in SU. XD Out of the two Apop's team seems more likely than Swamped though Mao's is still a possibility. Swamped voted Faddy because he voted her D1 and she thought it was the weakest besides Neon.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

(Thanks Aeleus)


So out of everyone the confirmed town (for now i guess) are:
1. Ms. Duck
2. Muffin

STRONG instance of being Town due to PR/PR usage:
1. Brazil (from Muffin)
2. Faddy?
3. Cat
4. Muffin

The Problem Claims (Fran, Stan, VA):
1. Fran being X-shot Ascetic in a game with an x-shot Commuter (Sneeks)
2. Fran claims to have been Ascetic the Night Stan used his power on him. Stan never received a shot back.
3. Fando claimed to Brazil the same power that Stan now claims (i mixed this up in the thread with Stu)
4. Personally I don't think VA/Fran are telling the truth. I highly doubt all 3 of us are Town.

The ?????:
1. AbsolutBro (someone claimed they cleared themselves early on with a lunch? clarification would be ace)
2. Zeke
3. Chuggs
4. Aeleus
5. Sorian


Just from reading this chat I had a strong town lean on Fanto so I'd trust Zeke. I guess. Aeleus/Chuggs/Sorian are all targets I'm fine with as I have little on them or I find them suspect (i.e. sorian). AB seems to be relatively town locked due to something but i'm not 100% sure on what.

So if I had to take a stab I'd say the last Scum (which if it's 3 teams with 3 each we have 5 left/4 if one team has 2 only)

1. Aeleus
2. Chuggs
3. Sorian
4. Fran
5. ???

OR

1. Aeleus/Chuggs
2. Sorian
3. Stan
4. VA
5. AB

So out of these + vote analysis I'm gonna take a stab and say:

IF SCUM:
1. Aeleus: Possible all 3 due to lateness of votes. Would not pursue too much as Scum however
2. Chuggs: Possible all 3 due to votes on all Scum. Tinfoil hat theory: Thanos himself
3. Sorian: Forces of Light
4. Fran: Forces of Darkness
5. Stan: Jedah or Forces of Darkness
6. VA: whatever AB is
7. AB: Jumped on by most Scum on Day 1. Actually unlikely to be Scum. If he is it's possible from all 3

Which leaves me at: Sorian, Fran, and Stan. 4th could be Aeleus.

 

[lokiduck]

Sneeks: (About Fran) Could be Darkness or bussed Swamped depending on how early he was.

Though it's a good point that he went over to me and stayed off Apop. Wonder if he wanted to get me lunched instead of his buddy.
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Swamped case
D1: Fran was the first to vote Swamped and refused to unvote when she told him to unvote her, but he moved on to OJ before moving back after Brazil, Fanto, and Faddy had voted her. Could have been an early bus but that late the second time was a bit risky though Oliver quickly gained more votes from Fando, Kalor, and Vere voting him.

D2: LOL I thought Fran voted Swamped day 2 but he voted Aeleus instead. whoops.

Def possible he is partnered with Swamped.

Apop case:
I feel like it'd be too obvious for Fran to ignore Apop as he seems the type to buss buddies for townie points but it's def possible.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

Sneeks: (About Aeleus) How early were those scum votes? If he was relatively early on all I'd say he is basically Town unless he bussed. He has all 3 scum teams covered there.

Day 2- THEY voted were the 13th to vote Swamped and did so after a lot of votes were growing on them. I think in response Faddy Double voted to put them back in the lead (So Faddy possibly saving Swamped?)

Day 4-They were the 6th to vote o middle of the pack no trains were really competing with Mao though since his claim was pretty fucking bad LOL.

Day 6- They were the 6th to vote near the end of the train.

They voted in the middle or late on all three.

*They/Them

Sorry, Aeleus.

 

[lokiduck]

Sneeks: (About Sorian) (this just made me realize the OT isn't updated with the deaths right. @Geno plz)
Snorian doesn't like to bus so I could see him being FoL here.

Lol Kalor wasn't registered as dead for almost a day XD I could see that though the only issue there is that he defended Swamped and believed she was town at least. Is that something scum!Sorian would do.

 

[lokiduck]

?

 

[lokiduck]

So out of these + vote analysis I'm gonna take a stab and say:

IF SCUM:
1. Aeleus: Possible all 3 due to lateness of votes. Would not pursue too much as Scum however
2. Chuggs: Possible all 3 due to votes on all Scum. Tinfoil hat theory: Thanos himself
3. Sorian: Forces of Light
4. Fran: Forces of Darkness
5. Stan: Jedah or Forces of Darkness
6. VA: whatever AB is
7. AB: Jumped on by most Scum on Day 1. Actually unlikely to be Scum. If he is it's possible from all 3

Which leaves me at: Sorian, Fran, and Stan. 4th could be Aeleus.

Seems a reasonable list to me.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

Sneeks: (About Sorian) (this just made me realize the OT isn't updated with the deaths right. @Geno plz)
Snorian doesn't like to bus so I could see him being FoL here.

Lol Kalor wasn't registered as dead for almost a day XD I could see that though the only issue there is that he defended Swamped and believed she was town at least. Is that something scum!Sorian would do.

Depends on how bold he feels. He really does dislike bussing and finds it unnecessary.

 

[lokiduck]

Depends on how bold he feels. He really does dislike bussing and finds it unnecessary.

I can kind of see the point considering we had shit like what happened day 2 in SU. XD

 

[lokiduck]

So the game plan for tomorrow is probably that you will pursue Fran and VA since you are affected by them claim wise, Zeke will probably pursue Faddy and Fran, Muffin will pursue ???, and I will focus on Chuggs with some of my other suspicions. XD

 

[lokiduck]

It's pretty crazy though, the debate today was on who was lying about being controlled, Chuggs or Apop. It turns out Apop was scum and not controlled and Chuggs was at least Day 2 despite wee being RB'd lol. Most common sense would have assumed Chuggs faked it, but I don't really think that's the case at this point as it'd be a weird gambit to fake it to take heat off wee possibly later but we still don't have proof of a power that could have helped wee.

In either case I think Chuggs is a neutral or a town with a death wish. XD

 

[lokiduck]

So out of the combined names for the replacements, which was your fave from my list? I would have named LP and Nin Lost_Prodinin.

 

[lokiduck]

lol I'm burned out after doing my vote analysis and I don't want to do anything else, my body is sore, and I won't be able to drink this weekend, so I'm having a shot of pom vodka in my skull shot glass x3

Love you guys night night <3

 

[Geno]

I will update with deaths before day starts

 

[lokiduck]

I will update with deaths before day starts

... Why are you telling us this? Did one of us Die? DX

 

[lokiduck]

In that case babes if I die, please carry on my legacy! DX You have my vote analysis!!! use it and claim it as your own!

Pursue Chuggs and trust each other as best you can ;-; I believe in you I believe in you even if you have betrayed me. TT_TT

 

[lokiduck]

I will update with deaths before day starts

Well I am definitely drunk. I thought you mean our deaths not the list of players still alive. LOL Whoops.

 

[Illuminati Member 5]

Lol

 

[Illuminati Member 5]

 

[lokiduck]

Lol

:p

 

[lokiduck]

I still stand by you guys upholding my legacy of I die as I will do that same for you.

Also

What’s your stance on what Sneeks and I discussed?

 

[lokiduck]

Well it'll be interesting to see who was taken out.

 

[lokiduck]

Cat is great BTW!!! She cured me of the plague!

 

[lokiduck]

Since we do have a Plagas doc, you can let her know if you are infected (this only applies to Sneeks since she knows about Zeke already) especially since peeps know your flavor now so people finding out you were infected from the start won't tell them you were a character at the end of HvV

 

[Muffin]

Tbh I doubt Las Plagas still has effects but it can't hurt

 

[lokiduck]

Tbh I doubt Las Plagas still has effects but it can't hurt

It just feels so nice to be cleannnnnnnnn I feel like a new cap so I highly recommend it. XD Added bonus they can't connect us via that since ABs was infected before the game started.

 

[lokiduck]

I mean, might as well use it while we got Cat right? I doubt she's some weird neutral that gets to win if she cures all of the plagas victims XD

 

[lokiduck]

Well Fuck Sneeks. We are sooooo fucked. Zeke was our last fucking hope and now we are sitting ducks. Please tell me you aren't scum, I think you can be honest with me since it's just mufifn in here with us. XD

 

[Illuminati member 2]

Well Fuck Sneeks. We are sooooo fucked. Zeke was our last fucking hope and now we are sitting ducks. Please tell me you aren't scum, I think you can be honest with me since it's just mufifn in here with us. XD

Pinky swear, swear on my dog, and with muffin as my witness I am not Scum.

RIP Zeke :<

 

[lokiduck]

I'm going to miss Zeke's TT_TT

 

[Muffin]

Poor Zeke. Didn't see that coming at all

 

[lokiduck]

Pinky swear, swear on my dog, and with muffin as my witness I am not Scum.

RIP Zeke :<

Neat! I honestly believe you because wee was the last stone holder and was scum but not part of the group. I think Apop's team has another way of knowing about us such as Thanos being on the team or that illuminati coroner Apop fake claimed.

 

[Muffin]

Weird that scum didnt go for one of the greenchecks or VA

Though with Apos flip yesterday Zeke was practically town confirmed, so maybe that's why

 

[Illuminati member 2]

Weird that scum didnt go for one of the greenchecks or VA

Though with Apos flip yesterday Zeke was practically town confirmed, so maybe that's why

Killing VA would confirm that one of Fran/myself is lying. Keeping him alive leaves doubt that he could be lying about his Doc claim.

 

[lokiduck]

The thing is that Apop made those stone comments day 3 when Ket the first of us died N4. But if it's a role that knows about the stones then that'd explain that.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

The thing is that Apop made those stone comments day 3 when Ket the first of us died N4. But if it's a role that knows about the stones then that'd explain that.

My thoughts too. My gut was to say Muffin is ratting us out but that wouldn't explain Apop's knowledge of Stones from that early.

 

[lokiduck]

Killing VA would confirm that one of Fran/myself is lying. Keeping him alive leaves doubt that he could be lying about his Doc claim.

Yeah I think that was the case as well. If Thanos is a player and non-mafia I could have seen him targeting you because he doesn't care about the Fran/you debate.

I'm still wondering if Thanos is an NPC still since he always gets the stone and Ket/Fando were janitored

 

[Muffin]

My thoughts too. My gut was to say Muffin is ratting us out but that wouldn't explain Apop's knowledge of Stones from that early.

Rude

 

[lokiduck]

My thoughts too. My gut was to say Muffin is ratting us out but that wouldn't explain Apop's knowledge of Stones from that early.

Yep That's what shows he's innocent in that case at least... I'm willing to believe he's actually town... though I forgot to cover his votes I think...

 

[Illuminati member 2]

muffin you've been able to pull off the agreeable nice scum player before so i'm still scared of you.

love you <3

 

[lokiduck]

All I know is that I can't confirm I have a stone because there are only 2 of us left. :<

 

[lokiduck]

I'm calling bullshit on Natiko possibly. Zeke was largely town read as a result of Fanto mostly plus what happened at day end.

 

[lokiduck]

I will avenge you Zeke!!!

 

[lokiduck]

I'm honestly unsure how we can stop Thanos at this point in a way... If Sneeks get lunched (here's hoping not of course) then I get taken out tonight probably and bam he wins. Mind you if Sneeks survives today, then we can still die via NK since Natiko is probably not dying in our place (if he even can) so we are sitting ducks anyways.

 

[lokiduck]

Looking over the votes Stu and Faddy both voted for FantZeke at one point.

 

[lokiduck]

lol fuck me. I got some shit wrong about TP wrong because I remembered him complaining about something in this thread that was different from what happened in the main thread. ><

This game is way too fucking long.

 

[lokiduck]

In either case Fran is going to be on my ass for this, though it may work out because Apop linked us together yesterday. If people speculate we are illuminati they may give us a pass (weirdly enough???) because 4 scum teams would be stupid. We'll deny being members of course or the existence of such a group, but maybe we can make it work in a weird way.

Besides if Aeleus' theory is right that scum has a stone hunting power we are fucked anyways and scum already knows because Apop put us together anyways.

 

[lokiduck]

VA current vote was stupid.

 

[lokiduck]

 

[lokiduck]

In Zeke's honor.

 

[lokiduck]

Lol I'm horrible. If you die Sneeks then I'll become a Sittingduck with a muffin instead of a Lokiduck. XD

 

[lokiduck]

Hey Muffin weren't your shots refunded if they failed?

 

[lokiduck]

So what do you think of Chuggs's item giving him points and his attitude. I'm really thinking Thanos might just be an NPC but it'll really depend on how peeps flip this day phase :/

 

[lokiduck]

Zeke didn't mention getting his item, but maybe he didn't want scum knowing that he had it. I wonder what his item did. :o

 

[lokiduck]

Thanks Stan that really helps...

 

[lokiduck]

Sawneeks I know how we can clear up the item mess that is annoying town right now but you have to say it.

I looked back at the thread and Fando sent you the item for sure during the day phase of day 4. I know so because we were still discussing Mao's fake claim when it happened!!!

I repeat, you were given the item Day 3 by someone (might be best not to say Fando since everyone knows you gave him the sword as people will see that as a connection between you) and it was stolen Night 4!

Also Fando weirdly figured out the name for the Forces of Darkness. I know it's not that hard since the other team is Forces of Light but it's still weird.

Sorian could be that, though I’m thnking he might be FoDarkness instead and just figured out you were town along D3 or something like that.

Oh, and @lokiduck I think the ITA command can be anything really, so Kalor could’ve just said “pew pew: Sorian”. It worked like that in Marvel Mafia and it gave us some very cool ITA shots lol.

This was said N3 XD

Anyways PLEASE POINT THIS OUT so people stop thinking you are lying.

Another thing to point out is that you got the sword on D4, so whoever took your emerald probably did so because they wanted that sword.

If asked why you said the night 4 I guess just say the mods made a mistake and you asked for clarification.

 

[lokiduck]

Here as proof is the conversation plus a post from me right after still talking about Mao proving it was D4. Also I correctly predicted your item getting stolen LOL

That sorta came out from nowhere. Why do you think you'd be targeted this phase? You're definitely not a usual target for this night, I doubt you'll be targeted.


I went back to check it and I completely went over that post mentioning the Chaos Emerald. My bad!

About Stu, I had that in mind as well, but his response to me was very factual so I'm kinda doubting it's that now.

But you just won the event, they know you have an item at least.

Also, just sent you the Chaos Emerald. Could you confirm if it's your item when Geno responds?

What gets me about Mao's Claim is 1. Why would he only protect me especially when he thought I was just a IC in the beginning unless he was a valiant Knight 2. He said he had some negative aspects of his role that would make town suspicious of his role when talking about the nexus stuff. Why didn't he come forward about that aspect when he claimed doctor because now everyone thinks the role is OP. XD

It's mine, thank you bro. You have something coming your way.

Hopefully it doesn't get stolen because a thief decides to target one of the winners :o But neat you got it at least!

 

[lokiduck]

Addtionally I had an idea, if people do not believe you actually got it D3, then I can come forward as the one that gave it to you. It'll connect us a bit because it means I trusted you enough with an item, but Sorian at least can back up my claim because he is the one that gave it to me.

The only one that could go against this is an item thief who tried to steal from me that night, but if that had happened Fando wouldn't have gotten it (unless it was one of his scummates LOL) and even if they did they wouldn't come forward as that would out them as scum.

 

[Illuminati member 2]

searching nintendo direct news and geno PM'd me to clarify that info. he sent it wrong.

how mad are people in thread rn

 

[lokiduck]

I'm only coming forward as the giver as we don't wan to link too much if we can help it.

 

[lokiduck]

searching nintendo direct news and geno PM'd me to clarify that info. he sent it wrong.

how mad are people in thread rn

Some people are purely voting you because of that little factoid, It was VA who brought it up BTW.

 

[lokiduck]

searching nintendo direct news and geno PM'd me to clarify that info. he sent it wrong.

how mad are people in thread rn

Also good we have actual confirm from the Mods because I knew I was right anyways!!!!

 

[Illuminati member 2]

D4 Was Frostmourne and Chaos Emerald, N4 I lost it.

 

[lokiduck]

So def get in there and clear that up.

 

[lokiduck]

D4 Was Frostmourne and Chaos Emerald, N4 I lost it.

Yep You won the Frostmourne. Fando gave you the Emerald and you gave him the Sword for protection. SOmeone wanted that sword (DEF point out) and stole the emerald N4!!!

 

[lokiduck]

Also guess the thief doesn't know about the thread because they would know Fando had the sword.

Still don't know why Puns didn't say his item was stolen but in the scheme of things that's okay.

 

[lokiduck]

In either case that clarification should help clear your name on that front, and people will just wonder who gave it to you. Sorian gave it too me on Day 3 I believe, so there's enough distance I could have passed it to someone else between then and Day4 which I did lol.

 

[lokiduck]

Oh my Bob thank you for that. I was getting nervous for no reason XD

 

[Illuminati member 2]

Nah nah, it's cool. It was just that and Fran is all in a huff because it's him or me and so far people have backed me. he's nervous.

Snorian keeps being scummy though. >:(

 

[lokiduck]

Nah nah, it's cool. It was just that and Fran is all in a huff because it's him or me and so far people have backed me. he's nervous.

Snorian keeps being scummy though. >:(

Yeah I got mad at Sorian for switching but he may move elsewhere now that it has been cleared up. VA actually said he'd vote Fran once the item thing got cleared up so we'll see if he does.