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But supposedly Muffin green checked Brazil. With so many cop like roles, there must be an alignment changing mechanic right? It just seems like too many
 

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Of the high posters, my gut reads of scum are Fran>Sorian
Fran keeps being the “everyone participate” and “let me tie the vote to see what happens” guy. That’s how he was in TMBG as mafia and I don’t remember him doing it in HvV when he was town
 

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I want to call out Sorian about Muffins returned shot after he checked him but that would bring the conversation back to why Loki’s ability wasn’t copied too and I don’t want them to suspect she might had a stone any more than they already might.... this sucks
 

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I want to call out Sorian about Muffins returned shot after he checked him but that would bring the conversation back to why Loki’s ability wasn’t copied too and I don’t want them to suspect she might had a stone any more than they already might.... this sucks
Damn, that’s a good point. Sorian claimed role isn’t a shot I guess, but he could have the Power Stone for all we know. We don’t know exactly what Muffin’s role can or can’t copy
 

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But supposedly Muffin green checked Brazil. With so many cop like roles, there must be an alignment changing mechanic right? It just seems like too many

Or we have a bunch of godfathers like last time XD, though it’s possible that alignment change is also a thing in this game.

I want to call out Sorian about Muffins returned shot after he checked him but that would bring the conversation back to why Loki’s ability wasn’t copied too and I don’t want them to suspect she might had a stone any more than they already might.... this sucks

Speculation is that Muffin can only copy robots which would make some sense. I never mentioned this in the main thread but if he was able to copy my abilities he should have been able to copy my shield bash at the very least. Since he didn’t he is lying or he just can’t copy my abilities.

So if you want something to point out connected with my powers, I can bring up my RB since I used it. Just let me know if you want me too.
 

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I told the truth today when I said I was just a confirmed townie tho because I used my shield bad last night.
 

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Speculation what if Thanos is just an NPC since he will kill half the players, and this thread is only so we can try and talk strat so we don’t get killed.
 

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Damn I should have just checked Mao so I would know his alignment and not wasted it on Kalor. If I get my item I may get another shield bash but unfortunately not that shot ><

I would have gotten results that night too.
 

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The reason I say this is because I’m actually a counter to switching abilities.

I’m strong willed which means I can’t be roleblocked or redirected meaning I would have still hit mao even if his nexus was active.
 

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So if you want something to point out connected with my powers, I can bring up my RB since I used it. Just let me know if you want me too.
So, the RB is just an ability (shield bash) then. I don't think he can only copy robots... That makes no damn sense. Actually we can prove this now possibly *gestures to game thread*
 

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So, the RB is just an ability (shield bash) then. I don't think he can only copy robots... That makes no damn sense. Actually we can prove this now possibly *gestures to game thread*

So you want me to reveal my RB then? XD To help your claim or should I wait. I was considering full claiming in the main thread (minus the illum, virus, and my stone of course), most to help in the switch and muffin getting my abilities stuff but I wasn't sure. If I'm doing it, I'm fully claiming just so people don't suspect me of revealing more to cover my scummy tracks or whatever.

I know some peeps will be on my case for revealing other powers but what ever.
 

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it's entirely up to you. i know it would look a little weird if you came out with the shield bash coincidentally after i start talking about this thing with you and sorian, but then again, you are a green check and he isn't. people would be more inclined to believe you... except stu for some weird reason
 

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I think I want to hear what Brazil has to say first. I may still mention it, but only if it seems it would be useful to the discussion, which I think it might help maybe? We'll see. If Brazil says he isn't a robot and Muffin said he copied his abilities, then I'll mention it for sure because that is a contradiction, but even then it might just be that Brazil is a character he can copy even if he isn't a robot.
 

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And it wouldn't be too much of a coincidence because I asked what we were even talking about with Muffin. XD So me bringing it up now that I've used my shot makes sense.
 

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I think I want to hear what Brazil has to say first. I may still mention it, but only if it seems it would be useful to the discussion, which I think it might help maybe? We'll see. If Brazil says he isn't a robot and Muffin said he copied his abilities, then I'll mention it for sure because that is a contradiction, but even then it might just be that Brazil is a character he can copy even if he isn't a robot.
Yeah, but we don't have much else while Mao is the main train today. Might as well discuss it and see what comes of it
 

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That’s pretty weird, yeah. I think Muffin should clear that out one way or the other. I actually think he is town, but I could see him bullshiting that. Reminder that AB also had weirdness when he investigated him.
 

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That’s pretty weird, yeah. I think Muffin should clear that out one way or the other. I actually think he is town, but I could see him bullshiting that. Reminder that AB also had weirdness when he investigated him.
Yeah that is something to consider too. In either case, we'll see how people respond. I've told the truth except for the three parts that really matter LOL. XD
 

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Damn I should have just checked Mao so I would know his alignment and not wasted it on Kalor. If I get my item I may get another shield bash but unfortunately not that shot ><

I would have gotten results that night too.
I agree that probably you’ll get some other shot or other related skill, but did you receive confirmation that it won’t involve your stone?I ask this because I didn’t use my stone yet.
 

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I agree that probably you’ll get some other shot or other related skill, but did you receive confirmation that it won’t involve your stone?I ask this because I didn’t use my stone yet.
I have not received confirmation, mostly because I'm unsure if I'll even get my item.

I joked in the thread about my item being my shield as a breadcrumb for my RB ability XD
 

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Oh, that strong willed passive is pretty interesting. Another point against Mao as well I think.
Good claim loki.
Thanks XD Honestly all of my abilities make sense for Cap (why would he just be a confirmed townie even if he's the leader of the heroes???) and for countering the abilities we have seen in game.

At least Stu believes me XD
 

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True facts: I really could have used my abilities N1, I just didn't notice I was strong-willed until N2 when I went to reread my PM. DX Naturally Geno and Gorlak found it funny.
 

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So Muffin and Brazil are officially reliant on each other. But the All For One theory has certainly got me thinking.
I never understood why Muffin waited so long to tell us what item he had even after people were making it clear that they wanted him to tell us. He could have not wanted Town to have it and he was stalling because he knew he couldn’t lie about it or else someone would call him out on it.
It’s something to think about. Especially since a Townie, the first thing they would post is tell us who they copied the night before.
Don’t you think?
He showed up and didn’t even mention anything until I asked about it.
 

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Ah, I don't know. The whole thread is a lot more cagey about items and character universe in this game than in HvV, Apop did the same thing IIRC since he only revealed that his "χ-blade" got stolen last phase.

I'll keep in mind that he got still be All for One since that also explains why AB investigation gave back two MHA names, but right now I don't think it's a lead worth pursuing.
 

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But yeah, I can see that. Maybe Stu is trying to push a lynch based on some information he got on Muffin, but considering that I'm actually townreading both of them, I won't really vouch for him without more information on this.
 

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But yeah, I can see that. Maybe Stu is trying to push a lynch based on some information he got on Muffin, but considering that I'm actually townreading both of them, I won't really vouch for him without more information on this.
I’m in the same boat. There’s no way people will start a train on Muffin based on Stu’s word alone
 

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I agree with both of you about Stu, though I wonder if Stu's role is something like a Lyncher where he needs to get a certain player killed and he thinks Muffin is that person... It's either that or he is really convinced Muffin is scum with no real evidence to back it up.

Kind of like how Cat had a crazy theory about how the virus works which we all know is wrong but we won't say that of course. XD

Virus wise since only person seems to have been infected each night, I think it's a player doing it and it's just a status effect like being Licked. I didn't infect Malus or Kalor, and Fanto got infected before AB stole from him so it makes sense.

Also I'm still wondering if Thanos is an NPC or is the other stone holder. If he's an NPC then the other party may not be apart of our group because they are of a different alignment or just because flavor wise they wouldn't join our cause I guess?
 

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BTW Puns, I got real smug on D1 when you said it'd be lame if I was just an innocent child since I'm Cap and all, because I actually had pretty cool abilities that fit the role. XD
 

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BTW Puns, I got real smug on D1 when you said it'd be lame if I was just an innocent child since I'm Cap and all, because I actually had pretty cool abilities that fit the role. XD
LOL. Your role seems pretty cool to me. As I expected by looking at the game poster like I said on D1 and people have been giving me shit for that ever since. ALWAYS BELIEVE THE GAME POSTER
 

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Honestly I though Thanos was in the game (even as NPC) based on the poster XD The two scum theories has been supported by the two beings on each side of it as well which implies Thanos is a neutral.
 

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LOL. Your role seems pretty cool to me. As I expected by looking at the game poster like I said on D1 and people have been giving me shit for that ever since. ALWAYS BELIEVE THE GAME POSTER
I also feel like you are entitled to brag about this if you find the right moment too. XD
 

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I agree with both of you about Stu, though I wonder if Stu's role is something like a Lyncher where he needs to get a certain player killed and he thinks Muffin is that person... It's either that or he is really convinced Muffin is scum with no real evidence to back it up.

Kind of like how Cat had a crazy theory about how the virus works which we all know is wrong but we won't say that of course. XD

Virus wise since only person seems to have been infected each night, I think it's a player doing it and it's just a status effect like being Licked. I didn't infect Malus or Kalor, and Fanto got infected before AB stole from him so it makes sense.

Also I'm still wondering if Thanos is an NPC or is the other stone holder. If he's an NPC then the other party may not be apart of our group because they are of a different alignment or just because flavor wise they wouldn't join our cause I guess?
Didn't Brazil get infected with it this phase after Muffin checked him? It looks like it's organically transmitted after all.
 

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Yep. As far as we know:

N1- Fanto infected by unknown source possibly being with us. ABs stole from Muffin.
N2- Muffin infected a day after ABs stole from him. ABs stole from Fanto. I cop checked Kalor.
N3- Brazil infected. Muffin copied him. I RB'd Malus.

If it does spread organically then why didn't I infect Malus or Kalor?

My leaning theory is that Muffin was infected by someone other than ABs at the very least.
 

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Naturally ABs didn't infect Fanto though because he already was. LOL but public doesn't know that.

All they know is:
N1- ABs stole from Muffin.
N2- Muffin infected by ??? ABs stole from Fanto. I checked Kalor.
N3- Brazil infected. Muffin copied him. I RB'd Malus.

They also know ABs was infected from the start but not that any of us were except for Ket.
While evidence suggested that Muffin infected Brazil, I don't think he did, but it doesn't match the other stuff.
I still think someone infected Brazil with their action.
 

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Don’t forget I was already infected n1 though.

I think I messed up.....

I didn’t think about the stones being a thing for thanos to kill and take.

I switched loki with Fran last night

Seems I should’ve switched ket.
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Oh you have a switching ability?

But it’s okay, I also messed up with my powers too.
 

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Also not sure how much I’ll be on tonight. I’m currently drinking and planning a night
 

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In that case I would not because we can't have Thanos knowing about the stones. :/ Use it if you have to like preventing scum from the item but that's it unless the action is hidden of course.
 

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Don’t forget I was already infected n1 though.

I think I messed up.....

I didn’t think about the stones being a thing for thanos to kill and take.

I switched loki with Fran last night

Seems I should’ve switched ket.
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Yeah, I remembered that infection, had a misremember that what we knew conflicted with the claimed infections, but I was wrong.

Protecting loki is always the right pick. Now we know that Thanos can be a self aligned neutral though.
 

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I am wondering if odd nights is when the Neutral can kill people if there isn't another mafia faction. Either way, it seems to swaping between the two killing roles with extra abilities like the poison helping increase the kill count.
 

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Fran votes for me to incite more discussion from my part, and cat jump voted on me without a very good argument.

Thoughts are that I don’t trust maol’s role claim. He is right now my top scum read. After maol it goes cat, because that vote is opportunistic and weak. I would have a vote on moal if an early lunch didn’t end the game.

Third scum? I’m still working on that

Town reads? I like wee and Loki, but they are confirmed. Outside of those two I like Brazil, chugg, and stantastic.
Am I crazy for thinking Zipped just slipped in this? Mao is his biggest scum read and he doesn’t trust his role claim, but apparently he’s not actually the “third scum” he should be looking for since he has no clue on that.

He even questioned it on a different paragraph, like it’s a different topic.
 

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Still want to know what the deal was with Malus and Kalor since I visited both of them and neither were infected according to their PMs. I guess there's a chance that they just got messaged about it and it wasn't in their PM but we won't know if that's the case until someone we know was infected flips.

I could be wrong about this. XD
 

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What do we think of Apo? I’m getting very weird vibes especially saying he knew about the stones from his PM among other things
I’m pretty sure he was forced to post that. Sorian and others asked him to clarify and he just ignored it completely. It also begins with that “not feeling Ketkat as town”, which doesn’t make sense at all since we saw her flip.

But besides that, I think he’s OK. I guess I town lean him albeit no specific post comes to mind to that. Looking at his vote history it feels like it might be too right (first vote on Stuart at D1, mid range vote on Swamped at D2, second vote on Ketkat at D3), but that’s something to keep in mind I think.
 

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What do we think of Apo? I’m getting very weird vibes especially saying he knew about the stones from his PM among other things
I’m pretty sure he was forced to post that. Sorian and others asked him to clarify and he just ignored it completely. It also begins with that “not feeling Ketkat as town”, which doesn’t make sense at all since we saw her flip.

But besides that, I think he’s OK. I guess I town lean him albeit no specific post comes to mind to that. Looking at his vote history it feels like it might be too right (first vote on Stuart at D1, mid range vote on Swamped at D2, second vote on Ketkat at D3), but that’s something to keep in mind I think.
 

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Wait Loki, I thought you couldn’t be redirected too? You didn’t put that in your full claim I don’t think, so I might have to bs to get out of that if someone questions me about it lol
 

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I think you mentioning it now would be too suspicious, so if you can’t be redirected, just deny saying that and correct me and say I must be confusing you with aeleus’ nexus claim or something
 

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That seems to be his MO this game yes. XD




I did not but I could have used my abilities N1 (I just didn't realize LOL).


So full claim time because I have used all my shots so it doesn't matter anymore. I am a mod confirm townie with two additional abilities and a passive. The abilities are 1 cop shot which I used on Kalor, and 1 Roleblock (called the Shield Bash) which I used on Malus last night because I was scum reading him lol (so sorry Malus if you tried to use that track last night ><).


My passive is what's interesting because I am Strong-Willed in that I can't be RB'd or more importantly Redirected, meaning that if I had checked Mao (and I should have) with his nexus active, I would have still gotten the results for him anyways.


I'm bringing this up now for two reasons. First of all, I must not be compatible with Muffin because he didn't copy my RB which out of my abilities is the one he should have been able to (which makes sense if he can only copy robots) and because my passive seems to be a counter to Mao and the other switching abilities in the game.


Now if only I had used them properly it would have actually helped. :/
Ah, it’s in the main thread. Fran just cut parts of the full claim post.
Don’t scare me like that TP lol
 

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Yeah, but if he’s telling the truth about being a motivator, I see it being much more Townie than scum. I don’t see the fun in giving scum a way to give their team an extra shot. At least with town, there’s skill involved with that role being that you need to read people very well in order to use that ability.
 

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Yeah, but if he’s telling the truth about being a motivator, I see it being much more Townie than scum. I don’t see the fun in giving scum a way to give their team an extra shot. At least with town, there’s skill involved with that role being that you need to read people very well in order to use that ability.
Yeah, I’m leaning town for sure. I just thought that that could be one power from another scum JOAT, since that would fit well with Vere and Swamped various 1-shots.
 

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I’m pretty sure he was forced to post that. Sorian and others asked him to clarify and he just ignored it completely. It also begins with that “not feeling Ketkat as town”, which doesn’t make sense at all since we saw her flip.

But besides that, I think he’s OK. I guess I town lean him albeit no specific post comes to mind to that. Looking at his vote history it feels like it might be too right (first vote on Stuart at D1, mid range vote on Swamped at D2, second vote on Ketkat at D3), but that’s something to keep in mind I think.

Oh shit you are right. Him mentioning Ket being suspicious implies they didn’t think she would be killed when they wrote it during the night phase.

Wait Loki, I thought you couldn’t be redirected too? You didn’t put that in your full claim I don’t think, so I might have to bs to get out of that if someone questions me about it lol

Nah Fam you good. I did a full claim.
 

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I was kind of thinking that two of us could claim mason or neighbors if people think two of us are working together but it might be risky. Keep that gambit in mind if you skip something you only learned in this thread lol.
 

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Right so just answered a bunch of questions. I'm really unsure if I'll be around EoD, but I'm not changing my vote for sure LOL.

I also knew Fran would be suspicious of my abilities XD
 

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But anyway, I'm pretty solid on Mao. No way that full claim is real. He is either completely bullshiting us in hope of drawing out a doctor or just gave up.
 

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Agree about Mao for sure and I am pretty convinced at this point that Stu must be some kind of Lyncher. XD He is really trying to get Muffin out, which seems unfair considering Muffin hasn't eaten anyone yet. XD
 

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thanks! yeah i think im sold on Mao too. this item isn't mine btw :(
You don't have to tell us what it is, but do you have a general idea what type of flavor it might go towards? We have a microchip that works with robots/people who deal with robots so it can fit with any franchise though.
 

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Speaking of which, I was given the chaos emerald yesterday (Why I joked about it earlier). I'm talking about it now because I passed it on to a town read ;D during the night phase (though they never confirmed it sent :/).
 

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Speaking of which, I was given the chaos emerald yesterday (Why I joked about it earlier). I'm talking about it now because I passed it on to a town read ;D during the night phase (though they never confirmed it sent :/).
you town read someone more than us?
You don't have to tell us what it is, but do you have a general idea what type of flavor it might go towards? We have a microchip that works with robots/people who deal with robots so it can fit with any franchise though.
in terms of alignment, i have no idea honestly haha not familiar
 

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I honestly would love to get my item, but I'm unsure anyone in the main thread would give it to me :< I'm hating that Cap saying Hail Hydra even more now than when that first released.
 

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That is interesting though considering it was your item last game as well :o I made that joke partly to hint I had it for later, but also because I was just referring back to last game.
 

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Geno either has a wicked sense of humor or RNG does
Yeah I guess so. :o In either case, if the person currently holding it trusts you enough I'm sure you'll get it. If I had known though I would have sent it, I was just concerned about spies and dying while still holding it.

I think someone gave it to me because they trust me and didn't want it getting stolen because they had won it during the day phase, but I could be wrong about that.
 

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Speaking of which, I was given the chaos emerald yesterday (Why I joked about it earlier). I'm talking about it now because I passed it on to a town read ;D during the night phase (though they never confirmed it sent :/).
Wait, that was you lol? I didn't see that post from you haha

Yeah, I received the Chaos Emerald. It's actually your item again TP?
 

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Well there you go! And yeah Fando that was me, I wanted to keep quiet about it so I figured you'd just accept that it'd happen until I gave you a cue about it.

Again my earlier post to TP was a hint that I had had it.

ALSO I wonder if Stu is compelled to secrecy like us and that's why he can't explain why he wants Muffin out :o
 

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i don't figure i'm a main target during the night phase, so if i die, it's because someone in here probably killed me
That sorta came out from nowhere. Why do you think you'd be targeted this phase? You're definitely not a usual target for this night, I doubt you'll be targeted.

Well there you go! And yeah Fando that was me, I wanted to keep quiet about it so I figured you'd just accept that it'd happen until I gave you a cue about it.

Again my earlier post to TP was a hint that I had had it.

ALSO I wonder if Stu is compelled to secrecy like us and that's why he can't explain why he wants Muffin out :o
I went back to check it and I completely went over that post mentioning the Chaos Emerald. My bad!

About Stu, I had that in mind as well, but his response to me was very factual so I'm kinda doubting it's that now.
 

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That sorta came out from nowhere. Why do you think you'd be targeted this phase? You're definitely not a usual target for this night, I doubt you'll be targeted.


I went back to check it and I completely went over that post mentioning the Chaos Emerald. My bad!

About Stu, I had that in mind as well, but his response to me was very factual so I'm kinda doubting it's that now.
No problem I should have breadcrumbed it more. XD
 

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Also I'm pretty sure out of us, I'm the one most likely to die just because it should be obvious to figure out what my McGuffin is considering I'm Cap. XD
 

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But you just won the event, they know you have an item at least.

Also, just sent you the Chaos Emerald. Could you confirm if it's your item when Geno responds?
 

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Also I'm pretty sure out of us, I'm the one most likely to die just because it should be obvious to figure out what my McGuffin is considering I'm Cap. XD
honestly, of the people that potentially got poisoned by swamped, it could be you or me potentially. you because you're mod confirmed green check and me because of those weird ass posts they had about me.
 

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Also I'm pretty sure out of us, I'm the one most likely to die just because it should be obvious to figure out what my McGuffin is considering I'm Cap. XD
I think you're still cool. There are a lot of green checked players now and no doctors have flipped. Mao probably baiting one with that claim of his too.
 
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