Scum Thread Phantom Troupe

[Blargonaut]

Day 2 start: "3 cards hidden from view"

Day 2 end: 3-way tie no Role-flips

 

[Blargonaut]

So who's Nat gonna target Tonight?

 

[Kyanrute]

Is there a better target than Vere? Sawneeks?

 

[Kyanrute]

Could gamble on Donna's death actually doing something. I think it is bait though.

 

[SalvaPot]

Vere is the obvious target, if there was a doctor or a bodyguard I'll expect them to be on Vere.

 

[Natiko]

I’m ascetic so I’m not actually sure that Zipped’s action should have worked if it’s a night command (I actually have no idea how ascetic works for day commands like Dubs’ stolen Geno one) but it’s whatever lol I also don’t know how their roles were written and maybe ascetic only protects against things that visit you like checks, tracks, etc.

Lord help me if I post the wrong thing in the wrong chat.

 

[Blargonaut]

Sawneeks apparently has a private mod-confirmation that Royal_Flush is Town? Protectives could be focused on Royal, not Vere, possibly

 

[Blargonaut]

It's okay Nat, I will ensure that GIF-quality spam is always within your line-of-sight when in MAFIA CHAT, so errors will be avoided:

24hrs scum chat
OPEN​

 

[Kyanrute]

Natiko, you being ascetic means that Zipped just has a day command. I don't think there is anything deeper there.

Blarg, I think the check on Vere is much stronger and thus a much more attractive target to kill and protect. It is words against actual evidence.

 

[SalvaPot]

Sawneeks apparently has a private mod-confirmation that Royal_Flush is Town? Protectives could be focused on Royal, not Vere, possibly

But Vere was confirmed by stu, who actually died, you can't be more confirmed than that. Royal is already bombed too (Unless muffin reversed that).

But yeah, I don't see town voting vere or royal out. Maybe we should put the bomb on vere? We should consider killing A and donna, since they didn't vote malus they'll probably look good later, and getting one of them killed is going to put pressure in the other.

 

[SalvaPot]

Hell we haven't found any enhaner except maybe malus since he had a vest, and whoever targeted donna and A since that maaaay be support (But that one sounds to me more like role manipulation).

Point is, protectors could still be out there.

 

[Blargonaut]

Ah, I see. Yep, I think Vere would be a good Bomb recipient then

I don't know if empress will budge from scumreading me and Kyan, definitely a bit of danger in that pressure there...

Aeleus wouldn't be a bad target I think... but I think I need to take some time to reread the Day before I truly commit my opinion

 

[Kyanrute]

Yeah, shouldn't go Vere really because doctors that are not in Natiko's pocket are scary. Unblockable bomb could be a thing though.

 

[Natiko]

Natiko, you being ascetic means that Zipped just has a day command. I don't think there is anything deeper there.

Blarg, I think the check on Vere is much stronger and thus a much more attractive target to kill and protect. It is words against actual evidence.

He specifically said he sent the command N1. Maybe since it’s a delayed thing it’s different.

His role is conjurer, it builds over time. Tonight he has nothing next night he’s a self watcher and motion detects someone, fourth night he can do and investigate OR fifth night he can make himself mod confirmed at the start of the next day.

Monkey’s modifier is if she is killed before sending in the ITA she retaliates and kills her killer.

But Vere was confirmed by stu, who actually died, you can't be more confirmed than that. Royal is already bombed too (Unless muffin reversed that).

But yeah, I don't see town voting vere or royal out. Maybe we should put the bomb on vere? We should consider killing A and donna, since they didn't vote malus they'll probably look good later, and getting one of them killed is going to put pressure in the other.

Vere was suspect of Stu checking him and said it was 50% odds. I think he may have some random commute or redirect or something.

 

[SalvaPot]

He specifically said he sent the command N1. Maybe since it’s a delayed thing it’s different.

His role is conjurer, it builds over time. Tonight he has nothing next night he’s a self watcher and motion detects someone, fourth night he can do and investigate OR fifth night he can make himself mod confirmed at the start of the next day.

Monkey’s modifier is if she is killed before sending in the ITA she retaliates and kills her killer.


Vere was suspect of Stu checking him and said it was 50% odds. I think he may have some random commute or redirect or something.

Monkey's power is a great scum trap.

Zip's role is interesting and feels really town. He will probably be cleaned by monkey tomorrow, but we have no real reason to kill him tonight since from a scum perspective he will probably be lynched first.

 

[SalvaPot]

He specifically said he sent the command N1. Maybe since it’s a delayed thing it’s different.

His role is conjurer, it builds over time. Tonight he has nothing next night he’s a self watcher and motion detects someone, fourth night he can do and investigate OR fifth night he can make himself mod confirmed at the start of the next day.

Monkey’s modifier is if she is killed before sending in the ITA she retaliates and kills her killer.


Vere was suspect of Stu checking him and said it was 50% odds. I think he may have some random commute or redirect or something.

Vere may have a self-protect role where he kills back if targeted, so maybe he was susp because because stu didn't die?

 

[Kyanrute]

I don't know if empress will budge from scumreading me and Kyan, definitely a bit of danger in that pressure there...

She'll stop scumreading us when we die, not a moment earlier.

Re: the Director. What on earth is this. Is A an unlyncher? It is the simplest answer I can think of. Roll a random townie to protect, give them 1-shot BP and cookies, you win if they are alive when the game ends. Could sneak a self-boon like ascetic there too I think.

And now you all made me afraid of bombing Vere with your talk about him having a GUN.

 

[SalvaPot]

She'll stop scumreading us when we die, not a moment earlier.

Re: the Director. What on earth is this. Is A an unlyncher? It is the simplest answer I can think of. Roll a random townie to protect, give them 1-shot BP and cookies, you win if they are alive when the game ends. Could sneak a self-boon like ascetic there too I think.

And now you all made me afraid of bombing Vere with your talk about him having a GUN.

You should be safe bombing him, since Stu didn't die by just visiting him. If Vere has a self-protect role, unblockable should take care of that and should bypass any protection town may put on him.

Killing sawnee clears royal, but I also think sawnee hs more to her role than just that clear.

We should also worry about whoever took Sorian's role, since whoever did can totally check on us.

 

[SalvaPot]

Nen Types:
Enhancers (Protective/Support)
-

Emitters (Investigative/Killing)
-Sorian Linked Cop [Dead]
-Natiko ITA Controller (10% ITA shot) plus can boost someone to a 100% shot.
-Dr. Monkey ITA Controller (10% kill ITA) + ??

Manipulators (Manipulators/Redirective)
-turmoil7 switcher [Dead]
-muffin Role Reversal, Geno Chat ex-member

Transmuters (Communicative/Informative)
-Geno Chat Maker [Dead]
-Sawneeks Emmisary-like, cleared Royal, Geno Chat ex-member

Conjurers (Power gaining/Multipower)
-Stuart444 Hidden Day Vig, Night BP, and 2-shot Cop (bombed by Kalor) [Dead]

Specialists (Free Real State)
-Kalor(Vote Bomber)?, Neutral [Dead]

Unknown
SalvaPot: (Locked into voting Stu, unlocked when Stu died)
Blargonaut: (vote locked in a self-vote)
Verelios: (Cleared by Stu. Green Check)
Royal_Flush: (Cleared by Sneeks)
Aeleus / A: Affected D0, Reverse Executioner?, unrelated to actual role
Kyanrute:
B-Dubs:
empressdonna / Donna: Affected D0, "Director" unrelated to her role, Cleared by Aeleus unrelated to they role.
Zippedpinhead / Zipped:
malus: Vested, shot by Natiko, claims to be vanilla at first, then mentions there is more to it
Nin:

 

[SalvaPot]

I don't want to add it to the list to avoid copy-pasting incrimitaning evidence, but we now know zip is also a conjurer.

All this together tells me that Sawnee can't be the one who took the sorian power, since that won't fall under her nen.

So our suspects for sealing the power are: Vere, nin, donna, Aeleus, Royal.

Maaaaybe malus if you can imagine that the trigger for malus to take a power would be to get shot first, but if that was the case he would just claim it.

 

[SalvaPot]

If Blarg has no actions, he should do the kill. We don't want people catching Natiko moving. Here is what I'm thinking:

Kyan gifts Vere using the unblockable boost
SalvaPot boosts ???
Blarg Kills ???
B-dubs depends on what powers he still has. If switcher, switch kya with a random townie. If investigator, investigate Zip, donna or A so you can "clean" them later
Natiko takes care of the chats

 

[Natiko]

Part of me wants to have kyaa gift Monkey at some point, since the retaliate would flub in that instance but it may be viewed as overly convenient especially if Zip is still alive to share that I know.

Also she’s considering not using the ITA tonight, possibly not at all unless forced to to prove her role.

 

[SalvaPot]

Part of me wants to have kyaa gift Monkey at some point, since the retaliate would flub in that instance but it may be viewed as overly convenient especially if Zip is still alive to share that I know.

Also she’s considering not using the ITA tonight, possibly not at all unless forced to to prove her role.

If we kill monkey dubs gets the ITA. I can see monkey using that until endgame. We should consider that, we might even get to abuse her modifier in case someone tries to shoot dubs with the stolen ITA.

 

[B-dubs]

If we kill monkey dubs gets the ITA. I can see monkey using that until endgame. We should consider that, we might even get to abuse her modifier in case someone tries to shoot dubs with the stolen ITA.

We should let monkey live for a day or so, just long enough for her to help get some heat off my back now that I can reliably play again.

 

[SalvaPot]

We should let monkey live for a day or so, just long enough for her to help get some heat off my back now that I can reliably play again.

Sweet, I guess the chat helped out.

What powers you got right now?

 

[Natiko]

I wouldn’t assume Monkey is going to come out of this town reading you. She’s iffy about it in Zipped’s chat.

 

[Natiko]

@B-dubs You should debate the idea of saying you copied Sorian D1 and used it N1. You would need to have targets and results, but you’d also need to make it seem natural how you’re sharing the info if you do that. The topic is coming up of why Geno to copy and not Sorian in Zipped’s chat. We can’t have this seem too manufactured though

 

[SalvaPot]

What if B-Dubs can only get powers from people killed during the night? Not powers from people killed during the day. And say that was the way Fran balanced to not be as powerful, and that dubs can actually take more powers.

 

[Natiko]

What if B-Dubs can only get powers from people killed during the night? Not powers from people killed during the day. And say that was the way Fran balanced to not be as powerful, and that dubs can actually take more powers.

That works too. You just need to have an explanation lol @B-dubs

 

[Natiko]

Oh too late. He’s logged in as Thresh and not checking here. This may not go well lol

 

[SalvaPot]

Oh too late. He’s logged in as Thresh and not checking here. This may not go well lol

LMAO well maybe he has this under control.

 

[Natiko]

LMAO well maybe he has this under control.

Monkey is 100% convinced Dubs is scum and is currently planning to lie through her teeth in that chat to try and bait the NK.

 

[SalvaPot]

Monkey is 100% convinced Dubs is scum and is currently planning to lie through her teeth in that chat to try and bait the NK.

I mean, we knew that since the moment monkey tried to start a train on him.

Also I love that you got into two chats with monkey on the same night, you can see all the angles.

 

[Natiko]

I mean, we knew that since the moment monkey tried to start a train on him.

Also I love that you got into two chats with monkey on the same night, you can see all the angles.

It’s really funny. I hope she dies before she has time to realize I’m scum. I’m enjoying the ego boost too much.

 

[Natiko]

We could go for the delay. Boost Dubs, have him pick unlynchable. Then they’ll have another day with no useful results potentially.

 

[SalvaPot]

We could go for the delay. Boost Dubs, have him pick unlynchable. Then they’ll have another day with no useful results potentially.

Do we think you can pull it off? Dubs not getting lynched tomorrow? I can only see it if we sacrifice blarg or if the malus/nin train gets traction. Whoever has Sorian power would either clear two town or get two of us, or put us in a 1v1 situation.

 

[Natiko]

Do we think you can pull it off? Dubs not getting lynched tomorrow? I can only see it if we sacrifice blarg or if the malus/nin train gets traction. Whoever has Sorian power would either clear two town or get two of us, or put us in a 1v1 situation.

I was more thinking he picks it and we just bus him. Then majority happens and he doesn’t die, day over.

 

[SalvaPot]

I was more thinking he picks it and we just bus him. Then majority happens and he doesn’t die, day over.

I don't think its going to work? dubs has to activate it during the night, so he'll have to survive D3, to activate it N3 and then be under the effect on N4.

The only boost I can give that can be activated during the day is undetectable.

 

[SalvaPot]

Under the effect on D4 I mean.

 

[B-dubs]

Ah fuck me

 

[SalvaPot]

Ah fuck me

lol what happened

 

[B-dubs]

bus me bus me

 

[B-dubs]

lol what happened

I just read above, when I checked originally there was nothing here. Kill me now.

 

[SalvaPot]

I just read above, when I checked originally there was nothing here. Kill me now.

Come on now, don't be so hard on yourself.

 

[B-dubs]

Come on now, don't be so hard on yourself.

Gah, of course zipped also has a chat. goddamn, so monkey wants the night kill huh?

 

[B-dubs]

me not being able to be around has really fucked me over

 

[SalvaPot]

me not being able to be around has really fucked me over

Your actions pretty much solidified Natiko as a townie, even if monkey is set on you been scum.

How do you feel, should we kill monkey or wait for the ITA? If monkey is dead Natiko can spin and manipulate zip to keep him quiete for a bit, then we can use the ITA's to eliminate zip before he is a problem.

The mind games are going through the roof right now.

@Natiko, do you think Zip feels town in his chat, is monkey buying it? Monkey could be playing it up to get you to slip, since there is still a chance she might think you are also scum.

 

[SalvaPot]

Also, @B-dubs, remember Monkey actually has NO evidence against you, just scumreading AT BEST. Don't panic just yet.

 

[B-dubs]

If need be throw me under the bus. I'll plant a bomb using that leftover power and we can maybe get another kill that way.

 

[B-dubs]

Oh, she's def suspecting Natiko.

Day ends get SO chaotic especially when a lot of people weren't voting. I feel better about you in this chat though, Dubs. I'm also curious who you'd shoot though. What about you, Nat? Everyone's almost got me paranoid about you. There were so many comments about you potentially being scum. >.> But I still really don't think you'd give me that shot if you were.

 

[B-dubs]

Wait, does someone in Zipped's chat have a cop check? I think I might be able to get out of this if you can get her to get them to use it on me. I can swap with a town player and it would come back as a false reading.

 

[SalvaPot]

If need be throw me under the bus. I'll plant a bomb using that leftover power and we can maybe get another kill that way.

You got the bomb power? That changes everything. its a great get. All we need is a vote from Blarg or me and its just done.

But it would also mean you'll be for suuuuure confirmed scum in monkey's mind. And Zip's mind too, since they share that chat.

1 Potential kill with our faction kill
2 potential kills with the gift bomb (But this one is just if kya needs to take the fall)
1 potential kill with the vote bomb

How should we play this.

 

[SalvaPot]

Wait, does someone in Zipped's chat have a cop check? I think I might be able to get out of this if you can get her to get them to use it on me. I can swap with a town player and it would come back as a false reading.

As far as we know the Zip chat is just him, monkey and natiko. Zip still has no cop checks, he gets that power later if he survives.

 

[Natiko]

Don’t stress too much Dubs. We’re playing with bonus time at this point - by every measurement you probably should have been dead at day end lol

 

[Natiko]

Yeah, no cop checks in that chat currently just the three of us.

 

[Natiko]

As an FYI Monkey is staging everything you’ll see Dubs. She’s wanting us to fake a fight in there to confuse the mafia team of our true thoughts and intentions

 

[SalvaPot]

As an FYI Monkey is staging everything you’ll see Dubs. She’s wanting us to fake a fight in there to confuse the mafia team of our true thoughts and intentions

I swear I love everything about this. Remember when Monkey said "this isn't one your conspiracy theories?".

Oh, Monkey, but it is. It totally is.

 

[Natiko]

I don't think its going to work? dubs has to activate it during the night, so he'll have to survive D3, to activate it N3 and then be under the effect on N4.

The only boost I can give that can be activated during the day is undetectable.

Oh it has to be activated at night? Damn. That sucks.

Your actions pretty much solidified Natiko as a townie, even if monkey is set on you been scum.

How do you feel, should we kill monkey or wait for the ITA? If monkey is dead Natiko can spin and manipulate zip to keep him quiete for a bit, then we can use the ITA's to eliminate zip before he is a problem.

The mind games are going through the roof right now.

@Natiko, do you think Zip feels town in his chat, is monkey buying it? Monkey could be playing it up to get you to slip, since there is still a chance she might think you are also scum.

I think all three of us are sold that it’s an all town chat.

If need be throw me under the bus. I'll plant a bomb using that leftover power and we can maybe get another kill that way.

Do you have the bomb plant ability right now? Or would we need to get you to stay alive through N3?

 

[SalvaPot]

Oh it has to be activated at night? Damn. That sucks.


I think all three of us are sold that it’s an all town chat.


Do you have the bomb plant ability right now? Or would we need to get you to stay alive through N3?

Hmm, then its risky to use info from that thread to decide on a kill as in is risky to kill zip.

 

[Natiko]

Yeah, definitely shouldn’t kill him tonight.

 

[SalvaPot]

Yeah, definitely shouldn’t kill him tonight.

BTW, how do you feel about me using my boost on a townie? For us it would work for the unlynchable quirk, as you said, other than that it doesn't combo that much.

I can use my boost as a pseudo-role check. Depending on what boost they choose, I can get a better idea of what kind of role they might have.

 

[Blargonaut]

If Blarg has no actions, he should do the kill. We don't want people catching Natiko moving. Here is what I'm thinking:

Kyan gifts Vere using the unblockable boost
SalvaPot boosts ???
Blarg Kills ???
B-dubs depends on what powers he still has. If switcher, switch kya with a random townie. If investigator, investigate Zip, donna or A so you can "clean" them later
Natiko takes care of the chats

Natiko being Ascetic means he's untargetable by Night-actions except kills, right? Like literally even if a Watcher aimed at him it would auto-fail? He can't be Tracked

I mean, I'm totally free Tonight and down to do whatever but the but, would be risky exposing myself as a mover/killer when Nat's literally Unwatchable right?

 

[Natiko]

BTW, how do you feel about me using my boost on a townie? For us it would work for the unlynchable quirk, as you said, other than that it doesn't combo that much.

I can use my boost as a pseudo-role check. Depending on what boost they choose, I can get a better idea of what kind of role they might have.

If we can’t come up with a good use for the team I’m okay with it. Need to pick someone we don’t want to kill or vote out that you would reasonably have shared with though.

 

[Natiko]

Natiko being Ascetic means he's untargetable by Night-actions except kills, right? Like literally even if a Watcher aimed at him it would auto-fail? He can't be Tracked

I mean, I'm totally free Tonight and down to do whatever but the but, would be risky exposing myself as a mover/killer when Nat's literally Unwatchable right?

I don’t know since I ended up in these chats. I’m scared to even claim the ascetic to Monkey or Zipped now since idk what is up with it. I wouldn’t be protected from retaliation like Monkey has that much is for certain.

 

[SalvaPot]

Natiko being Ascetic means he's untargetable by Night-actions except kills, right? Like literally even if a Watcher aimed at him it would auto-fail? He can't be Tracked

I mean, I'm totally free Tonight and down to do whatever but the but, would be risky exposing myself as a mover/killer when Nat's literally Unwatchable right?

That's a good point but that would mean that whoever gave the ascetic to Natiko has to be sure that Natiko is town, and if that is the case, then why would they target Natiko instead of, say, Vere who is 100% confirmed town, or even monkey who still has her power? Why Natiko?

If they chose Natiko there has to be more to it. This is a reach, but I think this might be the extra power malus was talking about. Remember malus is the only player who thinks Natiko is scum because he shot him. If he is an enhancer and has a way to make Ascetic, what if there is an extra condition to it? What if the target is protected, but it also notifies the user if the target moves?

Malus would have evidence than Natiko is scum, since Natiko shouldn't be able to move because he already used his power.

 

[Blargonaut]

hmm yeah Nat you being put into the chats is odd. But like was said, whatever Action did it was most probs Daytime hence the circumvention of your Night-time Ascetic.

Because even if somebody was Strong, and let's say a "Strong Gossip" (lol) to 100% ensure their targets get into their chat? Strong still wouldn't pierce through Ascetic at Night, no matter what...?

 

[Blargonaut]

[...] but that would mean that whoever gave the ascetic to Natiko [...]

Hold on; Natiko's Ascetic wasn't gifted, he had it from the start i.e. it's part of his custom Role he made for himself:

Natiko:

Natiko, Ascetic ITA Creator, Manipulator, and Master

Pew pew pew

You are aligned with Scum. Your scum partners are Salvapot, B-Dubs, Blargonaut and Kyanrute.

Once per game you may PM the gamerunner at night the command Suns Out, Guns Out: Player A, Player B. The next day phase, and just during the first 24hs of the day all living players will be granted an ITA shot with a 10% chance of succeeding with the exception of you, Player A, and Player B. Your ITA shot will have a 100% chance of succeeding, as will Player A’s. Player B’s shot will have a 0% chance of succeeding. Player A will be notified of this, Player B will not. You are immune to all ITA kill attempts. You are also ascetic and cannot be targeted by night actions other than kills.

That goodness is baked in

 

[SalvaPot]

If we can’t come up with a good use for the team I’m okay with it. Need to pick someone we don’t want to kill or vote out that you would reasonably have shared with though.

Giving b-dubs the unlynchable is a good idea if we think we can manage to save him.

Also, I just realized this, but my "untrackable" boost is stupid suspicious. It mostly just benefits scum. Its probably not a good idea to use it on town until that one is off the list.

So I'm thinking I'm giving unlynchable to b-dubs tonight, then untracable to you natiko to keep you protected from movement, then we can see where we put the other boost.

Also, @B-dubs, we have two options with your powers here. We either use the switch on yourself and another player hoping you get a green check for whoever is going to target you (Because believe, chances are you are going to be targeted by Sorians stolen power). Or you go for the bomb for the guaranteed kill, but that would require me or Blarg to put a vote there.

The boost +switch is the risky play here but is the only way to keep you alive, but we lose two actions if something goes wrong. The bomb is a more sure thing, but it gets you and one more of us for sure suspected of foul play.

 

[SalvaPot]

Hold on; Natiko's Ascetic wasn't gifted, he had it from the start i.e. it's part of his custom Role he made for himself:


That goodness is baked in

Oh, it is? Ok that is a relief. Hmm, then Natiko would only have to worry about getting killed back from a BG. I still feel he is our spy and we need to protect him, but I don't think the chances of hitting a BG or a sheriff are as high?

I think keeping Natiko safe outweights keeping you safe, Blarg, you are our WILD CARD. You can move and make it good look in the day if someone sees you. But hmm.

 

[SalvaPot]

Also, @Natiko, you shouldn't mention the ascetic part of your role aaaaat aaaaall, it makes your role too powerful, Monkey would smell the rat with that for sure.

 

[Blargonaut]

Yes, I concur; Nat you totes should NOT divulge the Ascetic for now, you'll come off as too good/Power-stacked, even though this game is made for (im)balance people would just get more wary learning that

 

[SalvaPot]

Operation Save Dubs
Kyan gifts Vere using the unblockable boost
SalvaPot boosts B-dubs, B-dubs uses the boost to become Unlynchable D3
Blarg or Natiko Kills (nin, donna, Aeleus, monkey)
B-dubs Switchs himself and a confirmed townie, so when Sorian's Power checks him, he comes green


Operation Getting Our Cake and Eating it Too
Kyan gifts Vere using the unblockable boost
SalvaPot boosts Blarg (Since I can't target Natiko due to ascetic).
Blarg or Natiko Kills Monkey
B-dubs puts a bomb on Zip
Natiko uses the chat to keep Zip quiet until the bomb goes off.
Blarg or SalvaPot vote Zip so he can be killed after 24h by the vote bomb.
If B-dubs survives, he can steal Monkey's ITA, giving us another kill the next day.

Operation Poor Man's Rose
Kyan gifts Monkey using the unblockable boost
SalvaPot boosts Blarg (Since I can't target Natiko due to ascetic).
Blarg or Natiko Kills (Donna, A, Vere, nin)
B-dubs puts a vote bomb on Zip
Kyan explodes and takes monkey and royal down with him
Natiko uses the chat to keep Zip quiet until the bomb goes off.
Blarg or SalvaPot vote Zip so he can be killed after 24h by the vote bomb.
If B-dubs survives, he can steal Monkey's ITA, giving us another kill the next day.


The first one is the safer option and plays the longer game while giving b-dubs a fighting chance.
The second would mean we eliminate most threats and B-dubs takes down at least two enemies in a blast of glory.
The third is a HOLY SHIT extravaganza where we eliminate everyone who is a risk to us right now, but we lose kyan who has done a good job of looking townie in the last day and is stupid stupid risky.

The fact is, if we have to kill monkey or zip, we have to kill both at the same time.

 

[Blargonaut]

[...] I think keeping Natiko safe outweights keeping you safe, Blarg, you are our WILD CARD. You can move and make it good look in the day if someone sees you. But hmm.

Yes, deffo concur that Natiko's in a better position for us in society than I am right now; he should definitely be guarded

And yes I might be able to twist being caught red-handed moving Tonight, although in this particular case whoever saw me moving Tonight would witness me killing the shit out of somebody

With the ever-likely possibility of my killing being in Tomorrow's opening news as the only kill from Tonight, which would like, 85% cement me as highly likely being the scum Faction's killer for N2, so

might be difficult for even one as slippery as myself to sexplain that


...I could've said all this in a much less snarky/sarcastic way but, I only live off being typecast

 

[Blargonaut]

But I really don't mind killing for us Tonight! Would be totally happy to do it

just saying, you know

That's a 1-way ticket onto the pain-train even for me

 

[Blargonaut]

potentially

 

[SalvaPot]

Yes, deffo concur that Natiko's in a better position for us in society than I am right now; he should definitely be guarded

And yes I might be able to twist being caught red-handed moving Tonight, although in this particular case whoever saw me moving Tonight would witness me killing the shit out of somebody

With the ever-likely possibility of my killing being in Tomorrow's opening news as the only kill from Tonight, which would like, 85% cement me as highly likely being the scum Faction's killer for N2, so

might be difficult for even one as slippery as myself to sexplain that


...I could've said all this in a much less snarky/sarcastic way but, I only live off being typecast

I guess, to be honest I don't think the chances there is a power that can see movement is out there, we already took into account 3 emitters.

But the risk of someone been protected or a counter kill is much much higher. I'll say is far more likely that whoever does the kill is going to be killed, than caught moving.

Taking that into account, that this night kill in a high priority target like Vere/Monkey, wouldn't you say this is a suicide mission?

And if it is a suicide mission, wouldn't you say you are a better candidate for that mission?

 

[Kyanrute]

You should be safe bombing him, since Stu didn't die by just visiting him. If Vere has a self-protect role, unblockable should take care of that and should bypass any protection town may put on him.

I didn't read unblockable to mean that I could bypass a retaliation by GUN, especially when unkillable exists. As in if I target Vere and he has a Paranoid American as a modifier, sure, I'll get the bomb through, but he get the bullet through as well. Unblockable should fail on ascetic as well.

 

[B-dubs]

Unfortunately I don't think I get the bomb until the morning. Unless @Franconp says different.

 

[B-dubs]

Honestly, I like the second plan the best and if we can do it I say we do it.

 

[Kyanrute]

Didn't Switch become available as soon as turmoil was dead? So why wouldn't Kalor's bomb be available to use now.

 

[SalvaPot]

I didn't read unblockable to mean that I could bypass a retaliation by GUN, especially when unkillable exists. As in if I target Vere and he has a Paranoid American as a modifier, sure, I'll get the bomb through, but he get the bullet through as well. Unblockable should fail on ascetic as well.

Would you feel safer gifting the bomb to monkey, instead?

But yeah, only a paranoid type role should be able to get you killed, but I'll say that one is unlikely since I feel that is more a killing role than a protecting role. And you should bypass bodyguards with unblockable.

 

[B-dubs]

Well, we're gonna find out our options when Fran gets here. I *think* it should be available right now and if it it we should do it, though I worry about being blocked.

 

[Kyanrute]

Giving stuff to Monkey might lead up to her developing paranoid theories about how she received something that is not clarified on the night that she just so happened to divulge to Natiko that she only retaliates on kills.

 

[B-dubs]

Anyway, it's late and I should have been asleep hours ago

 

[SalvaPot]

Well, we're gonna find out our options when Fran gets here. I *think* it should be available right now and if it it we should do it, though I worry about being blocked.

No one would protect Zip, that is why he is the target of the vote bomb instead of monkey (That and Zips chat)

Giving stuff to Monkey might lead up to her developing paranoid theories about how she received something that is not clarified on the night that she just so happened to divulge to Natiko that she only retaliates on kills.

Monkey would probably be paranoid too if no one targeted her at all.

 

[B-dubs]

Wait, if we kill monkey tonight I get her power and can take zipped out immediately.

 

[B-dubs]

At which point the other chat never happened and we reset to the end of yesterday's day phase.

 

[B-dubs]

Gah, I wouldn't be able to activate it until the night phase though. That plan doesn't work.

 

[SalvaPot]

I think for now we can assume you got the vote bomb, if you don't we defaul to plan save dubs.

How do you feel about the plans, @Kyanrute, @Natiko, @Blargonaut?

 

[SalvaPot]

Hmm so the vote bomb is not available, sucks.

 

[B-dubs]

Hmm so the vote bomb is not available, sucks.

Wait, why?

 

[Kyanrute]

Monkey would probably be paranoid too if no one targeted her at all.

Yeah. But she has an ITA to pull off - scum have no incentive to kill her before she does that or shows reluctance to do so in the future.

 

[SalvaPot]

Wait, why?

Oh, sorry you said you shouldn't be able to activate it, so I assumed you got clarified by Fran that it was a no go.

 

[B-dubs]

Oh, sorry you said you shouldn't be able to activate it, so I assumed you got clarified by Fran that it was a no go.

Was talking about monkey's power. Odds are I'd need to wait until the night to use that one. Well, it would depend on the specifics of how it worked.

 

[SalvaPot]

Yeah. But she has an ITA to pull off - scum have no incentive to kill her before she does that or shows reluctance to do so in the future.

But there is an incentive, her version only gives her a 100% shot, and with killing kalor she is almost there in feeling town leader.

Also she only thinks dubs is the scum, but also thinks both natiko and zip are town. If she is gifted something she would suspect zip too (Since she already suspects dubs, there is nothing to lose), but not natiko.

Because she thinks we don't know about the zip chat. She would have to suspect Natiko at that point and by that point she would doubt everything about the game. EVERYTHING.

I don't think she is the best option for the bomb, I think we either leave her alone or we kill her.

Was talking about monkey's power. Odds are I'd need to wait until the night to use that one. Well, it would depend on the specifics of how it worked.

I already took that into account and it depends on you somehow not getting lynched. If we kill monkey and zip then there is no real evidence you could have taken kalors role, so there is a chance you might survive the day since town could choose to lunch malus or even blarg instead over you.

 

[SalvaPot]

Oh and if Monkey decides to take her shot she is taking one of us down almost for sure. I don't see her missing the shot.

 

[SalvaPot]

Hell, what if monkey figured out that if dubs can steal powers, what is stopping him from stealing her power? Her death. But she might also think that Zip is scum. Or a chance that Natiko might be. So she tells the zip thread she "wants dubs to kill her".

Maybe she realized she has to use her power NOW before dubs kills her, and she is buying time so scum won't kill her. Playing the threads, since that is all she has for the night.

 

[Kyanrute]

Plans:

1) I read the title, not happening, he is dead.
2) Sacrificing Salva, hell no, dude super town for reasons I can't fathom. Goooo Blarg! Blarg dying makes me look bad, Salva better and I don't remember what Natiko's read on Blarg is. Oh and Dubs could survive here I guess because we lynch Blarg instead lol. Need to run the math on like the D5? state.
3) If we are sacrificing me, I tank the vote bomb heat and blow up after. Dubs dies still. This might be a worse 2 outcome-wise.

All these plans are terrifying in terms of casualties.

2) D3 10-5 start, trade Blarg for a vote bomb kill, lynch Blarg and NK something. D4 8-4 start, we killed Monkey so Dubs kills one on minute one and well. Well. Could we get him unlynchable here? Let's say we do and do not think of the elephant in the room yet. Lynch Dubs but don't, do a NK. D5 6-4 start, lynch Dubs again and NK. D6 5-3, can try BOOM :D to win, max bombs out is 5 and would need to hit 3.

The elephant says "what about them guns and protective abilities and the little thing of this game being quite unpredictable?" And the elephant is correct, even the Blarg trade to keep Dubs alive seems suspect as hell.

 

[Kyanrute]

If we want to save Dubs, we sac me. Kill Zipped, bomb Monkey, I BOOM :D on minute one. No information leak and Natiko becomes the only person who knows of the Tresh chat. Spin me making the case for Dubs as trying to save malus or something, spin my initial vote on malus with my scum meta of bussing mates.

I have no idea what the long term effects of this would be though and I don't necessarily think this is a good idea either.

 

[SalvaPot]

If we want to save Dubs, we sac me. Kill Zipped, bomb Monkey, I BOOM :D on minute one. No information leak and Natiko becomes the only person who knows of the Tresh chat. Spin me making the case for Dubs as trying to save malus or something, spin my initial vote on malus with my scum meta of bussing mates.

I have no idea what the long term effects of this would be though and I don't necessarily think this is a good idea either.

I kinda agree on some points, our strongest players right now are you, Natiko and me in terms of towniness. We can also ride your bomb for a few days more and get more kills out of it.

I still think we can save dubs with the switch, or at least make whoever took Sorian's power to check on dubs look bad if they try to clean dubs.

If we vote bomb zip or malus, there is a good chance that either of the two would have a vote before the 24h, triggering the bomb without having to risk any of us. Monkey (or zip) would confirm that dubs can take scum powers, BUT that leaves open for speculation on who took Sorian's role and why it works in a different way, and dubs already used the geno power, so him getting acces to the votebomb also will seem like overkill, ergo we might be able to convince monkey that there is a third role stealer.

So far we have been able to get ahead of town due to crazy plays, like blargs votes, natiko's second gun and my... metagame? Keeping the craziness seems to work for us.