Costume Party |OT| The Mafia Mash

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Barney definitely seems to be playing their own game. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing or not (probably bad because it doesn't seem very town friendly even if he is town).

This is the closest I could find

 

[Barney]

This is the closest I could find

I crumb it since day 1.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Rest In Peace banana,

I’m interested in what banana had to say about Dany,

@Barney. Was your chat all the time or night only?

 

[Baby]

What made you follow my vote? It looks a little weird when you spent so much of the day scumreading me.

Eh, it wasn't that I trusted you to be actively scum hunting when voting for Jack, as much as Jack is a bit of a blind spot for me right now and I wanted to try and shake town out of the 2 leading trains that were building to see if anything would change.

Right now, there's a lot we can read into from the Day 2 end of day votes, but if it was Town v Town, it wouldn't count for much

 

[Baby]

@Spider-Man

I noticed that you didn't claim at the end of day while you were a leading wagon and tied for contention. That tie wasn't broke until the last little bit of the day either. Why didn't you?

 

[Minecraft Steve]

I was wrong about CK, so now I’ve got to really look into why I was scum reading Prisoner so much day 1. I felt so strongly about prisoner day 1 and then CK day 2, but now I’m all confused

I’m still town reading bob ross.

 

[Barney]

Rest In Peace banana,

I’m interested in what banana had to say about Dany,

@Barney. Was your chat all the time or night only?

That's a strange thing to ask, what difference would it make?

 

[Witch]

So, I visited Banana on Night 1, and invited him into my chat. Yes, the rumours are right, I have a chat. Sadly it has several restrictions and it's useless now that Banana is death.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote directly, so I'll paraphrase his takes.

-Dany and spiders are his main suspects.
-Claimed vanilla (Something we can now all see)
-Doesn't have a scum read on Prisoner, but the stuff around Prisoner gave him pause.
-Had a negative read on Rey Day 1 but mellowed out Day 2

He really wanted to go against Dany today, and while I personally don't have a case against Spider, he did. So I am looking at those 2 today.

I believe you are telling the truth. Are you opposed to your second chatmate to come forward? You should say so before they do.

 

[Baby]

So, I visited Banana on Night 1, and invited him into my chat. Yes, the rumours are right, I have a chat. Sadly it has several restrictions and it's useless now that Banana is death.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote directly, so I'll paraphrase his takes.

-Dany and spiders are his main suspects.
-Claimed vanilla (Something we can now all see)
-Doesn't have a scum read on Prisoner, but the stuff around Prisoner gave him pause.
-Had a negative read on Rey Day 1 but mellowed out Day 2

He really wanted to go against Dany today, and while I personally don't have a case against Spider, he did. So I am looking at those 2 today.

You stated last day phase that you were going to most likely target Bob Ross during the night.

You can make that happen right now, there is enough votes in me to get a train going, if you feel that strongly about it.

I'll probably visit you tonight, anyway.

Based on the paraphrasing you're giving here from Banana, you had that chat open during Day 2 as well. Why taunt Bob Ross with this kind of thing if you two needed to lay low for whatever your role is?

How is it useless now that Banana is dead? Did you lose your chat abilities?

 

[Barney]

I believe you are telling the truth. Are you opposed to your second chatmate to come forward? You should say so before they do.

What makes you think I have a second chatmate?

 

[Witch]

What makes you think I have a second chatmate?

fuck lol my bad, you mentioned it in the previous day. Maybe I should've kept quiet...

 

[Bob Ross]

Fuck man I was wrong :(. Sorry CK.

 

[Barney]

I believe you are telling the truth. Are you opposed to your second chatmate to come forward? You should say so before they do.

What makes you think I have a second chatmate?

 

[Barney]

fuck lol my bad, you mentioned it in the previous day. Maybe I should've kept quiet...

Maybe you should.

Nah, but you are right, I do have a second chatmate, or at least I invited someone else, no clue if that person got my invite, but I'm in no hurry of figuring that out.

 

[Witch]

Well, as far as where we stand right now, I don't think much has changed since yesterday. I'll have a look at how the votes spun out in D2, for now.

That said, my thoughts were aligned with Banana before he died. I want to hear what this theory of his was and hopefully that'll convince folks to lynch Spider or DT today.

 

[Witch]

@Kool-Aid Man oh, and I think KAM has some explaining to do.

 

[Bob Ross]

KM you shoot today or you get lynched, unless you admit you're lying.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Why were you so AFK last EoD? This doesn't seem like a time when you're usually busy so it felt off that you silently logged off.

My schedule changes every day and I was busy at EoD 1 but I’ll try to be active at EoD in the future.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

So, I visited Banana on Night 1, and invited him into my chat. Yes, the rumours are right, I have a chat. Sadly it has several restrictions and it's useless now that Banana is death.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote directly, so I'll paraphrase his takes.

-Dany and spiders are his main suspects.
-Claimed vanilla (Something we can now all see)
-Doesn't have a scum read on Prisoner, but the stuff around Prisoner gave him pause.
-Had a negative read on Rey Day 1 but mellowed out Day 2

He really wanted to go against Dany today, and while I personally don't have a case against Spider, he did. So I am looking at those 2 today.

Very interesting. I am suspecting those two as well, especially Dany with that wagon on me during EoD but I have to reread a bit before I can make my case.
side note: I will have sporadic activity tomorrow since I have plans but I will try to pop in as much as possible.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

 

[Barney]

So, you don't have a shot.

 

[Witch]

Anything you would like to say about your claimed ability or lack thereof?

 

[Witch]

So right at D2 start, lots of folks digging into votes they won’t budge from. We have Bob Ross and Spider-Man giving very little explanation at the time (promise to engage more later from Spidey), and they’re locked in for the rest of the day. Bob says he is stubborn. Spidey argues the rest of the day, for self-preservation and a supposed belief that CK is scum.

With this I'll go sleep
Vote:Cereal Killer

Ugh you beat me to it. This is the best vote for today.

Bob is definitely town, and CKs voting from yesterday is suspect. Also a couple of small things she said near day end made me uncomfortable. Will engage more later.

VOTE: Cereal Killer

Baby’s post here is interesting because she points out some inconsistencies with DT’s actions, where she had said that she wasn’t happy with any of the trains and still voted on Zombie and not Dracula. More on that later.

Daenerys Targaryen was not happy with any of the 3 leading wagons but still just kind of voted for Zombie suddenly with less than 1 minute left.

vote : Daenerys Targaryen

Why'd you vote zombie at the literal last minute when you stated that you weren't a fan of any of the leading wagons? Why try to save one of those other two over zombie?

Cereal Killer votes on Spidey for being off wagon at day end.

Okay I'll hang out on Spidey for now I guess, bbl

vote: Spider-Man

Zombie also digs in pretty early on with a Spidey vote.

Vote: Spider-Man

Could go for CK, Steve, and Avatar Coward today as well. Want to get some more wagons going. Witch and Prisoner scum theory not worth pursuing today.

CK votes on Jack Sparrow. She offers that he is giving her scummy vibes, and elaborates later.

Vote: Jack Sparrow

KAM votes on Rey, presumably because he is trying to drum up a lynch based solely on DT town-reading Drac. As noted several times already, many players town-read Drac. I like the way KAM votes here, it reads like he has very little to lose.

Vote: Rey

Minecraft Steve steps in and piggybacks on Bob Ross and Spider-Man voting for CK. He is dug in for the rest of the day.

I tentatively agree with Bob Ross and Spider-man. I think the day end shenanigans were kicked off by CK and coupled with the tool not working caused us to luckily still kill Scum. CK tried to save their scum buddy and luckily it failed.

Vote: Cereal Killer

I put a vote down on CK, also agreeing that the EoD1 vote sequence was fishy, then unvote a few posts later as a show of good faith to CK that I would be willing to listen to what she had to say.

I might just be overthinking things. Cereal Killer's behavior is just plain suspicious.

VOTE: Cereal Killer

Okay.


Thank you, I look forward to it.

UNVOTE

Jack Sparrow puts a prod vote on Barack Obama. Nothing much to say about that.

Barack Obama
Has been quiet the whole game and did not really engage all to much. They’ve have not really caught heat for it either. I understand that this describes me as well but i have not seen many people talk about them.

Cinderella puts a vote down on DT, stating his gut feel is that DT is scum.

I don’t want purely an info kill here, look at my PIK and see that I’d rather investigate Witch than kill them. Witch is personally the best for me because I townread them before the end of the day and then felt really scummy about them when Drac flipped because it felt like Witch led a train to save Drac. If Witch flips scum it almost clears Zombie and you look better as well.

That said I still feel worse about Dany, and that’s where I’m gonna vote at the mo

Vote: Daenerys Targaryen

 

[Witch]

Then we get to what is the real start of a Spider-Man push led by CK.

I feel a little better about Jack Sparrow - for now. At least I don't read anything terribly bad in him, just not a lot there at all and I think the lack of wagon comments/start of day looks bad, but I want to focus on the bottom half of my list for now, rough list is


Bob Ross
Zombie
Banana
Kool-Aid Man
Witch
Rey
Jack Sparrow
Cinderella
Barney
Minecraft Steve
Prisoner
Dany
Baby
Spider-Man

Complete null: Barack Obama

I'm going to look at everyone from Cinderella down. Can skip Spidey as already covered, but this is where I came out after going back through dracula interactions, reads on him, all that. May reorder after ISOs on bottom half of ppl

vote: Spider-Man

I spend some time talking with Banana and CK about it, and put my vote on Spider-Man for similar reasons. Banana, Cinderella, and Baby follow suit, the latter two focusing on Spidey’s flip to drive their reasoning. CK points out that Cinderella’s post is bad, I’d guess because it’s very noncommittal.

I think with this vote, all the Spider-Man D1 behavior discussed on the previous page, and how Spider-Man has acted dug in on CK today, I am comfortable putting a vote down on them.

VOTE: Spider-Man

I think the activity level is what is making me back off a little bit for now. She is putting in a lot of work, don't agree with all of it and she probably needs to calm is down a bit, but generally this sort of activity is not a typical scum move.

As for me, it's morning time which means its voting time.

Vote: Spider-Man

They are my biggest current scum read based on a lot of what I posted about their Dracula defense and just a general unease in their direction. This vote isn't set in stone and I can definitely come off it but it is going to take something fairly significant for me to do so.

Well, like I said before. Between CK and Spider-man, I'd rather see Spider-man flip. And I don't think we're really seeing much happen off those 2 wagons, so I'll just scoot here.

Vote: Spider-Man

I feel slightly worse about Spidey than CK, but I think if CK doesn't get lunched today they'll still be on the chopping block tomorrow because we've got some players deadset on lunching them so maybe it's best to see their flip. I'm still going to vote on Spidey first though.

vote: Spider-Man

 

[Witch]

I wanted to post a break here because Jack Sparrow is the last new voter Spider-Man picks up in this day phase. At this point, with the exception of Baby who pulls off wagon and comes back before day end, these are all the votes Spidey picks up. Most of the actions taken in votes following this are to hurt CK.

Sorry for not posting today some dumb bullshit came up. This SM vs CK war has me conflicted. But I’m gonna have to:
Vote: Spider-Man
right now. I liked CKs posts today and was not a big fan of spidey.

Also KAM if you’re reading this bust through that brick wall and shoot someone today.

Gut feel vote from Prisoner.

Alright, between Cereal and Spider, I feel worse about Cereal.

vote: Cereal Killer

Barack Obama comes in to goad KAM into shooting his supposed vig shot.

VOTE: Kool-Aid Man
Shoot shoot shooooooot!

 

[Witch]

The following sequence of votes feels scummy on DT’s part. DT comes in with 30 minutes on the clock to vote off-wagon on Jack Sparrow. What strikes me is that this is exactly what Dracula was trying to do D1 - trying to peel votes off to an irrelevant wagon to make his own lunching less likely.

This is just a weird sequence this early in the game before Dracula had slipped or lost his ackzent. Feels like distancing.
Vote: Jack Sparrow

Sure, let's see what happens

Vote: Jack Sparrow

DT gets exactly one person to pull off the Spider-Man wagon - Baby. A few posts later, seeing that the Jack Sparrow train isn’t going anywhere, Baby goes back to Spider-Man. DT also goes back to her original vote, CK, at the last minute. This makes me think she was never intending to leave it on Jack Sparrow. Even though CK was the vote leader at this point, DT wanted to seal the deal on her because it was too close.

Vote: Spider-Man

Vote: Cereal Killer

Less notably, in between Baby and DT, Obama moves their vote from KAM to CK which seals the lynch before DT has even moved.

VOTE: Cereal Killer vote with your heart!

 

[Minecraft Steve]

That's a strange thing to ask, what difference would it make?

It’s a thing that doesn’t really matter, but if you say one thing now and say a different thing later, see where I’m going? Banana can’t really confirm and I’m still reading to see if banana breadcrumbed it, It just adds to the story to town read you more

 

[Barney]

It’s a thing that doesn’t really matter, but if you say one thing now and say a different thing later, see where I’m going? Banana can’t really confirm and I’m still reading to see if banana breadcrumbed it, It just adds to the story to town read you more

Sure, but scum would benefit from knowing details too, and also there might be other ways to verify how my roles work without me sharing the deets. I'm not convinced you asked me about how exactly it worked from a town perspective.

 

[Minecraft Steve]

Sure, but scum would benefit from knowing details too, and also there might be other ways to verify how my roles work without me sharing the deets. I'm not convinced you asked me about how exactly it worked from a town perspective.

That’s your prerogative, I Didn’t want to know all the details. Just that one, I thought it would help me make more sense of your and banana’s day 2.

you don’t need to answer, It’s ok to want to keep things close to the vest.

 

[Baby]

So, I visited Banana on Night 1, and invited him into my chat. Yes, the rumours are right, I have a chat. Sadly it has several restrictions and it's useless now that Banana is death.

Sure, but scum would benefit from knowing details too, and also there might be other ways to verify how my roles work without me sharing the deets. I'm not convinced you asked me about how exactly it worked from a town perspective.

Can you explain how these two work together? If your role is useless now, how would scum benefit from knowing how it works?

 

[Prisoner]

Crowd: Okay now hold up. They killed the Banana?! Now you're taking it too far!

Banana has died!




DAY 3 BEGINS

Day 3 Ends In:

Majority is 8

Am I reading this right, that this is a 72 hour day instead of 48?

That's a strange thing to ask, what difference would it make?

Why are you so defensive of how it works, when you claimed it was useless now?


This is a very strange interaction:

I believe you are telling the truth. Are you opposed to your second chatmate to come forward? You should say so before they do.

What makes you think I have a second chatmate?

fuck lol my bad, you mentioned it in the previous day. Maybe I should've kept quiet...

Maybe you should.

Nah, but you are right, I do have a second chatmate, or at least I invited someone else, no clue if that person got my invite, but I'm in no hurry of figuring that out.

So on D2 Barney heavily hints at wanting to invite Bob but now we are not supposed to know that there could be a second chatmate? And Witch immediately acts like he spilled a secret he wasn't supposed to know. Is this another slip, or is Witch somehow connected otherwise to this story?

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about this claim. It seems very convenient that the one who could confirm it just died. Also I've never heard of a Gossip that invites his talking partners during the night.

 

[Barney]

Can you explain how these two work together? If your role is useless now, how would scum benefit from knowing how it works?

They can leverage if killing me is worth it or not, depending on how it works, if I already have another chat member, if I can talk with them now or I have to wait. If they can redirect my invite somehow.

All I can really confirm is that I invited Banana N1, and invited someone else N2. If I can invite more people or not, or why exactly I mentioned my role is useless is up for anyone to try to guess.

Am I reading this right, that this is a 72 hour day instead of 48?

Why are you so defensive of how it works, when you claimed it was useless now?


This is a very strange interaction:




So on D2 Barney heavily hints at wanting to invite Bob but now we are not supposed to know that there could be a second chatmate? And Witch immediately acts like he spilled a secret he wasn't supposed to know. Is this another slip, or is Witch somehow connected otherwise to this story?

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about this claim. It seems very convenient that the one who could confirm it just died. Also I've never heard of a Gossip that invites his talking partners during the night.

Well if its so convenient to me that Banana is death, wouldn't you think it would be more convenient to me to keep the chat to myself until someone else can back me up? Or, if I was scum, more convenient to me to keep him alive? I also mentioned I invited someone else, so it should be obvious that given time that player could back me up on that, if they feel like it. Also, I shared Banana's ideas with the main chat because they have merit, I can't say what the exact theory of his is, because it involves a possible doc, but it would explain his read on Danny.

 

[Natiko]

Am I reading this right, that this is a 72 hour day instead of 48?

Why are you so defensive of how it works, when you claimed it was useless now?


This is a very strange interaction:




So on D2 Barney heavily hints at wanting to invite Bob but now we are not supposed to know that there could be a second chatmate? And Witch immediately acts like he spilled a secret he wasn't supposed to know. Is this another slip, or is Witch somehow connected otherwise to this story?

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about this claim. It seems very convenient that the one who could confirm it just died. Also I've never heard of a Gossip that invites his talking partners during the night.

Correct, to account for it being a holiday weekend for some players. Everyone is more than welcome to rush it along and turbo if that’s too much time :P

 

[Zombie]

Don't see scum coming out and claiming gossip unpressured. I believe Barney.

KAM is just trolling. Either he's scum or town being unhelpful. Could also be a neutral I guess.

Vote: Kool-Aid Man

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Don't see scum coming out and claiming gossip unpressured. I believe Barney.

KAM is just trolling. Either he's scum or town being unhelpful. Could also be a neutral I guess.

Vote: Kool-Aid Man

Trolling is something different if you get helpful information out of what you are doing. In no way have I been unhelpful for town or intervened in any kind of way. I am top town mate. You are just jealus, that's all.

You being concerned of a troll instead of trying to find who slipped or making any kind of observations that's more concerning to me though

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

As for today

Vote: Daenerys Targaryen

 

[Zombie]

Trolling is something different if you get helpful information out of what you are doing. In no way have I been unhelpful for town or intervened in any kind of way. I am top town mate. You are just jealus, that's all.

You being concerned of a troll instead of trying to find who slipped or making any kind of observations that's more concerning to me though

Voting for you because I think your scum. No actual solving from you just shit posting about a "Shot" Gives the impression that you don't care about the actual results of the flips. If town you're being purposely unhelpful. Makes you a distraction at endgame. Better to flip now.

 

[Cinderella]

Gut tells me that scum team is Spidey, DT and Minecraft Steve

 

[Spider-Man]

@Spider-Man

I noticed that you didn't claim at the end of day while you were a leading wagon and tied for contention. That tie wasn't broke until the last little bit of the day either. Why didn't you?

I felt like there was a chance I'd survive that skirmish with the scrap of my teeth, knowing that Barack was voting for me. And it didn't seem likely that any CK voters would switch to me, everyone seemed pretty set, there weren't any swing voters.

I’m still town reading bob ross.

Why?

Am I reading this right, that this is a 72 hour day instead of 48?

Why are you so defensive of how it works, when you claimed it was useless now?


This is a very strange interaction:




So on D2 Barney heavily hints at wanting to invite Bob but now we are not supposed to know that there could be a second chatmate? And Witch immediately acts like he spilled a secret he wasn't supposed to know. Is this another slip, or is Witch somehow connected otherwise to this story?

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about this claim. It seems very convenient that the one who could confirm it just died. Also I've never heard of a Gossip that invites his talking partners during the night.

I agree that the witch Barney interaction feels off. Usually gossips can invite one person per night so I'd have made a similar assumption. Barney even said he was visiting Bob n2. Witch seems to overreact to Barney. @Barney how do you feel about witch after this?

Also, since gossip is usually town, I'm suspicious of prisoner wanting to paint it as a scum role.

Gut tells me that scum team is Spidey, DT and Minecraft Steve

Haha, well you're wrong about one of those!

 

[Spider-Man]

I'm not seeing that banana wasn't a good kill, but does anyone else find it odd that Bob is still alive? He was practically universally town read. Thinking back I find it strange that even though he was so strong on CK, he never really commented on me, what his read there was. This is odd because I was the only counterwagon, and also because I went pretty hard on him on D1.

I also can't recall any other reads from him apart from CK. If you were so sure CK was scum, wouldn't you speculate more about what a potential team might look like @Bob Ross?

All I find is (from D2) : Rey should be a policy lunch, you'll lunch KM for trolling, Barney is trolling, witch may be null/slight town depending on CK flip. The only substantive thing I find is you believe Banana is town (which turned out to be right)

Maybe you did mention some reads and I missed it in which case, my bad and please point me to them!

 

[Spider-Man]

*"I'm not saying..."

 

[Witch]

So on D2 Barney heavily hints at wanting to invite Bob but now we are not supposed to know that there could be a second chatmate? And Witch immediately acts like he spilled a secret he wasn't supposed to know. Is this another slip, or is Witch somehow connected otherwise to this story?

It was literally just I thought I’d screwed up how he’d want to roll out his claim. I don’t like tipping a role’s hand for them. I also didn’t see Baby had literally quoted the post a few above mine.

 

[Zombie]

I'm not seeing that banana wasn't a good kill, but does anyone else find it odd that Bob is still alive? He was practically universally town read. Thinking back I find it strange that even though he was so strong on CK, he never really commented on me, what his read there was. This is odd because I was the only counterwagon, and also because I went pretty hard on him on D1.

I also can't recall any other reads from him apart from CK. If you were so sure CK was scum, wouldn't you speculate more about what a potential team might look like @Bob Ross?

All I find is (from D2) : Rey should be a policy lunch, you'll lunch KM for trolling, Barney is trolling, witch may be null/slight town depending on CK flip. The only substantive thing I find is you believe Banana is town (which turned out to be right)

Maybe you did mention some reads and I missed it in which case, my bad and please point me to them!

Not really. It’s still early. Banana was town read too. Did you not kill him last night so you could make this post?

 

[Witch]

I'm not seeing that banana wasn't a good kill, but does anyone else find it odd that Bob is still alive? He was practically universally town read. Thinking back I find it strange that even though he was so strong on CK, he never really commented on me, what his read there was. This is odd because I was the only counterwagon, and also because I went pretty hard on him on D1.

I also can't recall any other reads from him apart from CK. If you were so sure CK was scum, wouldn't you speculate more about what a potential team might look like @Bob Ross?

All I find is (from D2) : Rey should be a policy lunch, you'll lunch KM for trolling, Barney is trolling, witch may be null/slight town depending on CK flip. The only substantive thing I find is you believe Banana is town (which turned out to be right)

Maybe you did mention some reads and I missed it in which case, my bad and please point me to them!

Banana was a good choice, as well, because his thoughts were aligned so well with CK’s. Lots of folks were townreading Banana. I don’t find it strange Bob Ross was not killed last night. Even if Bob was almost universally townread, if you’re scum trying to outplay a doctor, you hedge your bets on which is likeliest to be protected. Who knows what that pool of players looked like?

 

[Spider-Man]

Not really. It’s still early. Banana was town read too. Did you not kill him last night so you could make this post?

Nope I just don't want to get hoodwinked into something.

Banana was a good choice, as well, because his thoughts were aligned so well with CK’s. Lots of folks were townreading Banana. I don’t find it strange Bob Ross was not killed last night. Even if Bob was almost universally townread, if you’re scum trying to outplay a doctor, you hedge your bets on which is likeliest to be protected. Who knows what that pool of players looked like?

Hm, that's a good point about a potential doctor, didn't consider that.

 

[Cinderella]

I'm not seeing that banana wasn't a good kill, but does anyone else find it odd that Bob is still alive? He was practically universally town read. Thinking back I find it strange that even though he was so strong on CK, he never really commented on me, what his read there was. This is odd because I was the only counterwagon, and also because I went pretty hard on him on D1.

Nah he was pretty set on CK so it's not difficult for Scum to push on him (assuming Bob is town ofc). Paranoia sets in quickly in Mafia and no can maintain town cred forever

 

[Bob Ross]

I also can't recall any other reads from him apart from CK. If you were so sure CK was scum, wouldn't you speculate more about what a potential team might look like @Bob Ross?

I did a whole reads list of every player at the start of D2.

 

[Bob Ross]

Anyway KM that was trolling, idc how you call it or what info you think you got. Now, what are people's thoughts on SM for today? I don't think I'll go there yet, I'd rather get JS out of the way, seems scummier, or DT.

 

[Spider-Man]

I did a whole reads list of every player at the start of D2.

Ah so you did, thanks. Looks like things haven't changed too much for you, since you're now looking at JS and DT.

OK, maybe it's just the paranoia on my part...

 

[Witch]

Anyway KM that was trolling, idc how you call it or what info you think you got. Now, what are people's thoughts on SM for today? I don't think I'll go there yet, I'd rather get JS out of the way, seems scummier, or DT.

I am up for SM and DT, but not JS. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but if Spider-Man is scum, him being the last (not-Baby-flopping) vote on SM at 1:30 to day end puts him up as town for me. I doubt scum would lock themselves in at that stage when the race was so close between CK and SM. The reverse would give us information about SM, sure, but my perspective is there’s less to be worried about with JS. I would rather see SM flip first then decide where to go from there.

I think DT is in the same boat, though she’s my second choice.

 

[Bob Ross]

I was thinking DT's vote last day was very much intentional, she knew there's no chance we'd lynch JS yesterday, meaning she can vote him for extra town credit if he flips scum, regardless what you think of JS now I think if DT flips scum then JS has a very good chance of also being scum.

 

[Cinderella]

I am up for SM and DT, but not JS. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but if Spider-Man is scum, him being the last (not-Baby-flopping) vote on SM at 1:30 to day end puts him up as town for me. I doubt scum would lock themselves in at that stage when the race was so close between CK and SM. The reverse would give us information about SM, sure, but my perspective is there’s less to be worried about with JS. I would rather see SM flip first then decide where to go from there.

I think DT is in the same boat, though she’s my second choice.

CK-SM could've been town-town though

 

[Cinderella]

I was thinking DT's vote last day was very much intentional, she knew there's no chance we'd lynch JS yesterday, meaning she can vote him for extra town credit if he flips scum, regardless what you think of JS now I think if DT flips scum then JS has a very good chance of also being scum.

Of the 2 who'd you lunch first?

 

[Bob Ross]

Of the 2 who'd you lunch first?

I think JS, just plays too much on the sidelines and has done little to nothing. Really, we're day 3 and tell me if you remember a single thing JS has said.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I'm not seeing that banana wasn't a good kill, but does anyone else find it odd that Bob is still alive? He was practically universally town read. Thinking back I find it strange that even though he was so strong on CK, he never really commented on me, what his read there was. This is odd because I was the only counterwagon, and also because I went pretty hard on him on D1.

I know what you’re saying.

 

[Witch]

CK-SM could've been town-town though

Sure, but there are only two ways to know that - SM dies or the [alleged] three other scum die. I stand by the case that was made for SM yesterday because it’s as good as a case for SM being town, of which I have not seen many.

 

[Cinderella]

I think JS, just plays too much on the sidelines and has done little to nothing. Really, we're day 3 and tell me if you remember a single thing JS has said.

Yeah fair enough, but if we're lunching for inactivity I'd prefer voting out Obama

 

[Witch]

Yeah fair enough, but if we're lunching for inactivity I'd prefer voting out Obama

If it’s between JS and Obama, it’s definitely Obama for me. Obama feels to be more brazenly skirting the rules than JS who seems genuinely apologetic. Even JS is more involved.

That said, I’m not ready for an inactivity lunch today. I want to lunch scum and we have two great candidates.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

*"I'm not saying..."

I get what you're saying.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

Anyway KM that was trolling, idc how you call it or what info you think you got. Now, what are people's thoughts on SM for today? I don't think I'll go there yet, I'd rather get JS out of the way, seems scummier, or DT.

Both are on my list, what makes JS scummier than DT ?

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Both are on my list, what makes JS scummier than DT ?

Really

 

[Baby]

Don't see scum coming out and claiming gossip unpressured. I believe Barney.

Why do you believe Barney? Barney has had multiple statements about his role that don't work together and the only person who can verify it is conveniently dead

 

[Witch]

Why do you believe Barney? Barney has had multiple statements about his role that don't work together and the only person who can verify it is conveniently dead

It’s too easy to prove/disprove. Barney may not have sent that invite to the person he said he would yesterday, so tomorrow we might have someone who can vouch for him. We should give him at least until tomorrow.

 

[Barney]

Don't see scum coming out and claiming gossip unpressured. I believe Barney.

KAM is just trolling. Either he's scum or town being unhelpful. Could also be a neutral I guess.

Vote: Kool-Aid Man

First, cool you believe me.

Second, Kool still decided to lunch dracula over you, don't forget his vote kinda literally saved your butt. If you think he might be scum then why would KAM vote dracula?

I felt like there was a chance I'd survive that skirmish with the scrap of my teeth, knowing that Barack was voting for me. And it didn't seem likely that any CK voters would switch to me, everyone seemed pretty set, there weren't any swing voters.



Why?



I agree that the witch Barney interaction feels off. Usually gossips can invite one person per night so I'd have made a similar assumption. Barney even said he was visiting Bob n2. Witch seems to overreact to Barney. @Barney how do you feel about witch after this?

Also, since gossip is usually town, I'm suspicious of prisoner wanting to paint it as a scum role.



Haha, well you're wrong about one of those!

I have been keeping a close eye on witch for a while now and that answer keeps witch high on my probable scum list. But right now I kinda want to focus on what Banana told me.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I have been keeping a close eye on witch for a while now and that answer keeps witch high on my probable scum list. But right now I kinda want to focus on what Banana told me.

What did you think about Banana’s reads yesterday?

 

[Bob Ross]

Thoughts on Rey? For me I wouldn't lynch today but definitely won't let stay until late game.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Thoughts on Rey? For me I wouldn't lynch today but definitely won't let stay until late game.

I....agree with your assessment

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Let's make it more interesting, since I have not forgotten.

Vote: Cereal Killer

Too many things pointing towards this player.

Mega posts don't interest me if they are made by scum

How do you feel about Spidey at this point in time?

This rings an alarm for me. KAM is claiming to have a gat but hasn’t used it and when they vote for CK they don’t really give a good reason and when Bannan asks them what they think of spidey they completely blow it off.

 

[Baby]

It’s too easy to prove/disprove. Barney may not have sent that invite to the person he said he would yesterday, so tomorrow we might have someone who can vouch for him. We should give him at least until tomorrow.

Barney stated that the role is useless, when the entire role is a night chat, that tends to mean to me that the chat is no longer a thing. How do you plan on proving this when the person that was in this chat is dead? And every bit of information we have been given about it is entirely from Barney?

 

[Witch]

Barney stated that the role is useless, when the entire role is a night chat, that tends to mean to me that the chat is no longer a thing. How do you plan on proving this when the person that was in this chat is dead? And every bit of information we have been given about it is entirely from Barney?

Useless in the sense that it doesn’t indicate the alignment of anyone he chats with nor does it indicate his own. He could get into chat with scum and they can just feed him bullshit. If Banana hadn’t shown up dead today, we wouldn’t be entertaining any of the thoughts he shared with Barney.

 

[Baby]

Useless in the sense that it doesn’t indicate the alignment of anyone he chats with nor does it indicate his own. He could get into chat with scum and they can just feed him bullshit. If Banana hadn’t shown up dead today, we wouldn’t be entertaining any of the thoughts he shared with Barney.

But, that's not how Barney used useless at all.

So, I visited Banana on Night 1, and invited him into my chat. Yes, the rumours are right, I have a chat. Sadly it has several restrictions and it's useless now that Banana is death.

It's useless now that banana is dead. A night chat would never tell us the alignment of Banana in the first place, and the fact that it's useless now means that he has no other way to prove it despite taunting someone the previous day that he was going to visit them during the night. There is so much that does not make sense here with this claim, and this idea that if Barney can't prove it today he somehow could tomorrow also doesn't make sense.

I think he's lying, and it's way too convenient that he can't prove it now.

Vote : Barney

 

[Barney]

-

But, that's not how Barney used useless at all.



It's useless now that banana is dead. A night chat would never tell us the alignment of Banana in the first place, and the fact that it's useless now means that he has no other way to prove it despite taunting someone the previous day that he was going to visit them during the night. There is so much that does not make sense here with this claim, and this idea that if Barney can't prove it today he somehow could tomorrow also doesn't make sense.

I think he's lying, and it's way too convenient that he can't prove it now.

Vote : Barney

I doubt you missed the part where I also said I invited someone else, and if you are missing that on purpose you are just ommiting stuff to justify your lunch.

 

[Witch]

But, that's not how Barney used useless at all.



It's useless now that banana is dead. A night chat would never tell us the alignment of Banana in the first place, and the fact that it's useless now means that he has no other way to prove it despite taunting someone the previous day that he was going to visit them during the night. There is so much that does not make sense here with this claim, and this idea that if Barney can't prove it today he somehow could tomorrow also doesn't make sense.

I think he's lying, and it's way too convenient that he can't prove it now.

Vote : Barney

How I've read what Barney said so far is that he sends invitations out the previous night before he is able to chat with a player. He sent an invitation to Banana N1, then was able to chat with him N2; he sent a second invitation on N2 to an unknown recipient and will be able to chat with them N3.

Unfortunately, we've called so much attention to this, I fully expect that scum will keep murdering all of Barney's chat partners in order to have us mislunch him. I hope that his chat partner does not align with what he stated yesterday.

 

[Witch]

Thoughts on Rey? For me I wouldn't lynch today but definitely won't let stay until late game.

I agree with you, also.

This rings an alarm for me. KAM is claiming to have a gat but hasn’t used it and when they vote for CK they don’t really give a good reason and when Bannan asks them what they think of spidey they completely blow it off.

This is a bridge we are going to have to cross eventually, yeah.

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

I agree with you, also.


This is a bridge we are going to have to cross eventually, yeah.

You can do it after the game honey

 

[Kool-Aid Man]

This rings an alarm for me. KAM is claiming to have a gat but hasn’t used it and when they vote for CK they don’t really give a good reason and when Bannan asks them what they think of spidey they completely blow it off.

Lol. I just did not respond to it because I was not there. It's sometimes easier to think when you just do it.

 

[Baby]

-

I doubt you missed the part where I also said I invited someone else, and if you are missing that on purpose you are just ommiting stuff to justify your lunch.

If you can invite multiple people to chats, why reveal this now? What read did you give us from Banana that's worth risking your life over? How is the power useless now that Banana is gone?

 

[Spider-Man]

I'd like to hear more about the case on DT. I understand JS better to a certain extent (being on the sidelines) but open to hearing more there too

 

[Spider-Man]

So @Barney will you're second chatmate only be notified tonight? Or do they get notified during the day, but are only allowed to chat at night? I'm trying to understand if it's even possible for your second chatmate to come forward this day phase.

If so, I'd urge them to come forward. Scum won't gain much from this info but town might.

 

[Spider-Man]

I'd like to hear more about the case on DT. I understand JS better to a certain extent (being on the sidelines) but open to hearing more there too

I'd especially like to hear banana's theories.

 

[Spider-Man]

Other to do items: go through D2 again to see who was goading on the CK VS me thunder dome. Off the top of my head I remember witch saying there had to be one scum between us, and not entertaining the idea that it could have been town VS town at all. But there may be other players too that I've forgotten about. Oddly enough, I think Dany was the only player who brought up that the lunch could be town VS town.

 

[Spider-Man]

Thoughts on Rey? For me I wouldn't lynch today but definitely won't let stay until late game.

I may be the minority here but I'm ambivalent about when/if we lunch Rey. With a player like him, if he is mafia it might actually be easier to lunch him nearer the end as he will likely slip up or get caught by someone else.

 

[Bob Ross]

I may be the minority here but I'm ambivalent about when/if we lunch Rey. With a player like him, if he is mafia it might actually be easier to lunch him nearer the end as he will likely slip up or get caught by someone else.

No way man, doesn't go like that at all.

 

[Zombie]

First, cool you believe me.

Second, Kool still decided to lunch dracula over you, don't forget his vote kinda literally saved your butt. If you think he might be scum then why would KAM vote dracula?

Fair. Actually forgot about that.

Unvote

 

[Baby]

For as little as it may be worth here are my thoughts on where people lay on the town to scum scale at this point in time. I would be interested to see where rank (don't need full explanations).

Town
Kool-Aid
Bob
Zombie
Obama
Jack
Cinderella
Baby
Prisoner
Dany
Steve
Barney
CK
Rey
Witch
Spidey
Scum

I feel like there is definitely going to be a scum in that Jack to Steve grouping but none of them have jumped out at me enough to have a strong feel of who is the bad one in there.

Barney definitely seems to be playing their own game. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing or not (probably bad because it doesn't seem very town friendly even if he is town).

These two posts are from Banana on the previous day phase. If you visited Banana Night 1, why was Banana scum reading you or confused at best the day phase?

 

[Zombie]

Why do you believe Barney? Barney has had multiple statements about his role that don't work together and the only person who can verify it is conveniently dead

Draws too much attention. Scum doesn’t do that unless they’re pressured. Makes no sense as a scum play.

 

[Baby]

Draws too much attention. Scum doesn’t do that unless they’re pressured. Makes no sense as a scum play.

This is nonsense. Scum would make this play exactly because it's an impossible action to prove that everyone is giving townie points for

 

[Natiko]

Vote Count:

Kool-Aid Man - 0
Zombie - Post #1,534 Post #1,584

Barney - 1
Baby - Post #1,571

Daenerys Targaryen - 1
Kool-Aid Man - Post #1,536

 

[Baby]

Like, come on. There are inconsistencies in the claim itself, there's nothing from Banana in the thread to back this up and in fact shows the opposite, there has to be a better counterargument than "Why would scum do that?" because that can be used to shut down any argument brought forward

 

[Witch]

Other to do items: go through D2 again to see who was goading on the CK VS me thunder dome. Off the top of my head I remember witch saying there had to be one scum between us, and not entertaining the idea that it could have been town VS town at all. But there may be other players too that I've forgotten about. Oddly enough, I think Dany was the only player who brought up that the lunch could be town VS town.

Nope.

Actually, yeah, you're right about that. I've been there.

I'm not budging on the rest, though.

 

[Witch]

Like, come on. There are inconsistencies in the claim itself, there's nothing from Banana in the thread to back this up and in fact shows the opposite, there has to be a better counterargument than "Why would scum do that?" because that can be used to shut down any argument brought forward

The description from Barney makes me think Banana didn't know until after the day phase had ended he had been invited to chat.

 

[Witch]

The description from Barney makes me think Banana didn't know until after the day phase had ended he had been invited to chat.

D2 day phase had ended*

 

[Zombie]

Like, come on. There are inconsistencies in the claim itself, there's nothing from Banana in the thread to back this up and in fact shows the opposite, there has to be a better counterargument than "Why would scum do that?" because that can be used to shut down any argument brought forward

That’s the point. Makes no sense. Poorly thought out role if it is scum. Buys them a couple of days at most. People suspected him before. Not enough to really go after him. Made things worse with the claim. Probably town not telling us everything.

 

[Witch]

I'd like to hear more about the case on DT. I understand JS better to a certain extent (being on the sidelines) but open to hearing more there too

The following sequence of votes feels scummy on DT’s part. DT comes in with 30 minutes on the clock to vote off-wagon on Jack Sparrow. What strikes me is that this is exactly what Dracula was trying to do D1 - trying to peel votes off to an irrelevant wagon to make his own lunching less likely.



DT gets exactly one person to pull off the Spider-Man wagon - Baby. A few posts later, seeing that the Jack Sparrow train isn’t going anywhere, Baby goes back to Spider-Man. DT also goes back to her original vote, CK, at the last minute. This makes me think she was never intending to leave it on Jack Sparrow. Even though CK was the vote leader at this point, DT wanted to seal the deal on her because it was too close.



Less notably, in between Baby and DT, Obama moves their vote from KAM to CK which seals the lynch before DT has even moved.

Part of my case is quoted above. Whether or not you are scum, the point stands that the voting is just a load obfuscation. Apart from that, DT has shown a lot of poor judgement and voting decisions. To Rey's credit, she was the strongest defender of Dracula D1. Also, infamously at this point, pushing DADV:

40 minutes left

Dead air dead villager

And of course, voting Zombie at the last minute despite claiming to not like any of the trains, something she keeps doing:

Vote: Zombie

At best, she's a town hurting town; at worst, she is scum.

I may be the minority here but I'm ambivalent about when/if we lunch Rey. With a player like him, if he is mafia it might actually be easier to lunch him nearer the end as he will likely slip up or get caught by someone else.

This is bad rhetoric.

That’s the point. Makes no sense. Poorly thought out role if it is scum. Buys them a couple of days at most. People suspected him before. Not enough to really go after him. Made things worse with the claim. Probably town not telling us everything.

aye, I have a theory about what Barney isn't telling us, but I'm not going to voice it. It's better to give him a little room, then revisit if it hasn't been confirmed in a phase or two.

 

[Baby]

That’s the point. Makes no sense. Poorly thought out role if it is scum. Buys them a couple of days at most. People suspected him before. Not enough to really go after him. Made things worse with the claim. Probably town not telling us everything.

I don't see how it's made things worse to be honest. Everyone else seems willing to give him a pass as essentially confirmed town because it's too risky for scum. Like, scum make bold plays all the time and this idea of a delayed night chat that has only pulled in one person who can neither confirm nor deny the power due to being dead feels off.

How does town benefit from this claim at this moment? This is the information town has gained from this :

-Dany and spiders are his main suspects.
-Claimed vanilla (Something we can now all see)
-Doesn't have a scum read on Prisoner, but the stuff around Prisoner gave him pause.
-Had a negative read on Rey Day 1 but mellowed out Day 2

Dany and Spider-Man are already under high suspicion, and the rest is just light reads on 2 people, all information that can be gained from just reading the thread. At the same time Barne is stating that he is going to look into Dany and Spider-Man as a result, 2 very safe choices. So, who does this benefit to tell us about this right now? What does town gain and what does Barney gain from this? Especially if this chat is supposed to be able to pull other people into it still? Why the risk for this information in particular?

 

[Zombie]

aye, I have a theory about what Barney isn't telling us, but I'm not going to voice it. It's better to give him a little room, then revisit if it hasn't been confirmed in a phase or two.

Same. Better he keeps it to himself.

 

[Barney]

Fair. Actually forgot about that.

Unvote

It's a really weird thing to forget, it literally saved your life, I'll argue you'll make an extra note on that. You can still argue KAM is neutral if you feel strongly about his play.

 

[Zombie]

It's a really weird thing to forget, it literally saved your life, I'll argue you'll make an extra note on that. You can still argue KAM is neutral if you feel strongly about his play.

Things slip my mind. It happens. He might be a neutral. Would rather hit scum today.

 

[Barney]

These two posts are from Banana on the previous day phase. If you visited Banana Night 1, why was Banana scum reading you or confused at best the day phase?

If you think that beeing a gossip means I have to be town for sure, then I don't know what to tell you. If I had invited you, would you just assume I'm town? You can take your own conclussions from Banana's posts.

How I've read what Barney said so far is that he sends invitations out the previous night before he is able to chat with a player. He sent an invitation to Banana N1, then was able to chat with him N2; he sent a second invitation on N2 to an unknown recipient and will be able to chat with them N3.

Unfortunately, we've called so much attention to this, I fully expect that scum will keep murdering all of Barney's chat partners in order to have us mislunch him. I hope that his chat partner does not align with what he stated yesterday.

This one should be obvious, the more info I give the easier it is for scum to decide what to do with me or my targets. There is a reason I used the word useless, you are free to guess about that.

This is nonsense. Scum would make this play exactly because it's an impossible action to prove that everyone is giving townie points for

If my target survives there should be proof eventually.

So @Barney will you're second chatmate only be notified tonight? Or do they get notified during the day, but are only allowed to chat at night? I'm trying to understand if it's even possible for your second chatmate to come forward this day phase.

If so, I'd urge them to come forward. Scum won't gain much from this info but town might.

Scum can totally get info from this, what the hell are you talking about? Scum has more information than us, always, you have to keep them guessing if you want them to slip. What would town win from my full claim? If town would benefit so much, then might as well flip me.

You are mostly interested because I mentioned Banana was interested in lunching you.

 

[Bob Ross]

@Barack Obama tell me your thoughts, anything really.