Costume Party - Spectator Thread

malus

#1 official chartmaker
It took some restraint not to post the graphs I had made.

Ah Malus my nemesis. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it was you with how you were playing. Not enough charts. Sorry I let you guys down there :(
No worries. It happens and at least we got that troll day from you, which was pretty funny.

Did you guys not declare yourselves in scum chat? Was that also not allowed? wow
I didn't even think about that. Maybe we should have?
 

Daenerys Targaryen

Costume Account
And a big congrats to town for lunching a scum who didn’t slip!
So just for the record...

...none of the people swapping votes around d1 were scum.

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:scream::scream::scream:
 

heymonkey

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I do it a lot as town - sometimes to see how other people react, sometimes because a lot of people are switching around and so you have to move in response if there's a particular kill you wanted to avoid. Honestly, every person I voted was scum apparently (on d1) so I'm not mad about it. :D
 
For the record, since it wasn’t revealed.
My three targets were Banana, Prisoner, and Cereal Killer.

I used my night frame on CK Night 1 and Banana night 2 (not that it mattered).

I used the “hate” move on Prisoner once banana was gone.

my first neutral game and my first neutral win!
Thanks Natiko for the opportunity.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I do it a lot as town - sometimes to see how other people react, sometimes because a lot of people are switching around and so you have to move in response if there's a particular kill you wanted to avoid. Honestly, every person I voted was scum apparently (on d1) so I'm not mad about it. :D
You wouldn’t have gotten lynched though :(
 

heymonkey

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For the record, since it wasn’t revealed.
My three targets were Banana, Prisoner, and Cereal Killer.
rude
congrats, but rude

You wouldn’t have gotten lynched though :(
Normally I don't die even when I ask to die lol. But my goal as town is not necessarily to avoid death, especially when vanilla. It's just to find scum and help others find scum.
 

heymonkey

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Feels like we’re onto something here
I mean, I made the case in game, too. Scum's not going to frantically move votes around to save scum, not usually. It does happen, but it's rare and usually you can separate panic from scumhunting. After all, you figured it out.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Writing all this down and preparing to switch my vote around every couple of hours when I roll scum for the fifth time in a row
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
In hindsight D1 was kind of amazing. I don't think I have ever seen an entire scum team targeted like that before. It was probably a good thing for them too as then no one else could believe all of them were scum either.
Yeah, I’ve never seen the entire scum team in contention and solely in the lead on D1 like we had here. Truly a wild start lol

Did you guys not declare yourselves in scum chat? Was that also not allowed? wow
I would not have allowed it. I also dissuaded discussion about who people might be under the costumes even in scum chat. D1 I was already getting questions because the remaining scum member was interested in killing Spider-Man assuming it was Sorian due to the pronoun iirc.

For the record, since it wasn’t revealed.
My three targets were Banana, Prisoner, and Cereal Killer.

I used my night frame on CK Night 1 and Banana night 2 (not that it mattered).

I used the “hate” move on Prisoner once banana was gone.

my first neutral game and my first neutral win!
Thanks Natiko for the opportunity.
I’m glad you pulled it off! Your role was originally the one that would’ve had to guess players, then I tossed that and made it a role of hunting popular media characters and there were going to be more generic costumes, and finally Faddy made the suggestion to just let you pick any three. I was glad you landed on the distribution I originally wanted (two town, one mafia).
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
So, how are scum's chances right now? They seem rough.
They're not amazing. I really thought malus would make it another phase or so before going which would have bought them more breathing room.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
They're not amazing. I really thought malus would make it another phase or so before going which would have bought them more breathing room.
Out of everyone off Prisoner, Bob Ross had the most wtf last post so it'll be bad if it's him. I even crafted a pre-typed post on that before being demoted.
 

heymonkey

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Oh, it's TOTALLY Bob. Order of possibilities from thread action and behavior I'd say we have:
Bob
Spider-Man
Cinderella

but that's without studying recent votes, but it's totally Geno Ross, Captain Mafia in the Land of Happy Little Scum Trees.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Oh, it's TOTALLY Bob. Order of possibilities from thread action and behavior I'd say we have:
Bob
Spider-Man
Cinderella

but that's without studying recent votes, but it's totally Geno Ross, Captain Mafia in the Land of Happy Little Scum Trees.
I thought about spider-man too but his recent activity made me less sure, especially his last vote which was unnecessary as scum.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Sorry, I haven't been keeping track of the game all that much, but how many players are left now? Are they going into LyLo soon?

I'm just wondering how soon I need to start getting prepared to run Super Mario Mafia next lol.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Sorry, I haven't been keeping track of the game all that much, but how many players are left now? Are they going into LyLo soon?

I'm just wondering how soon I need to start getting prepared to run Super Mario Mafia next lol.
Game should be done within a week or so.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Let’s just go open spoilers on alignment - I think most everyone here knows or suspects at this point. Last scum is Bob Ross and he is faking the BP loss.

I don’t think a scum win is impossible here, but skipping the NK tonight was probably not what I would have done. I think I would have left that for the next night personally. I don’t think he was the most likely vote today. Hopefully he can keep it going though. I’m rooting for scum lol
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Hell or Barney even. If that is Geno he’s done stuff that I wouldn’t do and pulled out a win before, but I dunno about this one.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I have no idea why Bob wants to ride this BP thing to endgame. Once he kills Spider he can just hop in Rey and he probably wins.
It's an odd play, and he's been coming off as over eager today. Maybe that's the plan? Trying to assume the role of fumbling town.
 

heymonkey

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It's an odd play, and he's been coming off as over eager today. Maybe that's the plan? Trying to assume the role of fumbling town.
This is why I think he was really obvious in Nightmare, though. To me, that overeager stuff coming from anyone but... like, Zeke, just reads scum. But no one noticed it there so idk if anyone will here.

Nat said open spoilers but others were spoiling so I will too.
 

heymonkey

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please someone, anyone ask why people actually townread Bob Ross. Because it's solely because of d1 and I don't think anyone has revisited it.
 

Clown

Costume Account
If Bob thought that mass claim was going to happen today, he had to do this today. There is no reason for scum to target a BP after it is publicly revealed - had he done this tomorrow, he'd put himself on the spot for no reason. In addition, he has two ways to win:

1) town does not read and thus does not think
2) town reads but cannot believe D1 supposedly being SvSvSvSvT and no kill on N5 being a move instead of a mistake

He strengthened 2 with this. This was not perhaps necessary, but it'd be foolish to say that this does not lend him some credibility. I am missing a crucial piece here ofc, his role, so that might change the evaluation here.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
If Bob thought that mass claim was going to happen today, he had to do this today. There is no reason for scum to target a BP after it is publicly revealed - had he done this tomorrow, he'd put himself on the spot for no reason. In addition, he has two ways to win:

1) town does not read and thus does not think
2) town reads but cannot believe D1 supposedly being SvSvSvSvT and no kill on N5 being a move instead of a mistake

He strengthened 2 with this. This was not perhaps necessary, but it'd be foolish to say that this does not lend him some credibility. I am missing a crucial piece here ofc, his role, so that might change the evaluation here.
Even ignoring his role (which does, I think, change the calculus on this all), you could just as easily argue doing it today does little for him. He had already fake claimed the BP in the neighborizer chat - you can easily argue that as the reason it was never tested to cast suspicion on those in the chat. They had a ninja shot so he knew it had something to counter on town’s side and not moving did protect against a track, but on the flip side could have massively fucked him if it had been a watcher or the motion detector that it in fact is. That could have blown his claim apart, and now he has a claimed and quasi verified commuter and a flipped jailer. I know balance is subjective, but someone should really side eye the idea of that many protection roles for town in a game this small.
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Yeah I was spoiler tagging it because I didn’t want to tell people his PR, but if we’re not worried about that I just won’t
 

Clown

Costume Account
Even ignoring his role (which does, I think, change the calculus on this all), you could just as easily argue doing it today does little for him. He had already fake claimed the BP in the neighborizer chat - you can easily argue that as the reason it was never tested to cast suspicion on those in the chat. They had a ninja shot so he knew it had something to counter on town’s side and not moving did protect against a track, but on the flip side could have massively fucked him if it had been a watcher or the motion detector that it in fact is. That could have blown his claim apart, and now he has a claimed and quasi verified commuter and a flipped jailer. I know balance is subjective, but someone should really side eye the idea of that many protection roles for town in a game this small.

I am not familiar with how the claim originally went down in the Barney's Town Association meeting so I can't comment on that. Nor do I actually know when do the people who were invited to chat join the chat, that does have a effect on the number side of things. Still, if the number of chatters was smaller N5 than the number of non-chatters, I'd say it was better to shade more people than less. Even more so when you consider that the non-chatters seem like the easier lynches and when you consider that talk seems to be sporadic at best. A simpler plan for a simpler town to fall into. I also think that supposed action is always more notable than supposed inaction. My BP was broken is a better defense than my BP has not been broken because scum know I am BP.

The balance argument, meh. Gets brought up quite often in spec, never in game unless something is clearly outrageous.
 

heymonkey

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Even ignoring his role (which does, I think, change the calculus on this all), you could just as easily argue doing it today does little for him. He had already fake claimed the BP in the neighborizer chat - you can easily argue that as the reason it was never tested to cast suspicion on those in the chat. They had a ninja shot so he knew it had something to counter on town’s side and not moving did protect against a track, but on the flip side could have massively fucked him if it had been a watcher or the motion detector that it in fact is. That could have blown his claim apart, and now he has a claimed and quasi verified commuter and a flipped jailer. I know balance is subjective, but someone should really side eye the idea of that many protection roles for town in a game this small.
While I agree with you on the face, I gotta agree with Kyan here. Balance wise, the only thing that's really sus is that Geno Ross brought it up himself that it seemed like too much as a way to shade the commuter. Now that the commuter is verified, though, that SHOULD bite him in the ass - because it IS a lot of protection if town also had a BP. He's the one not verified and we are all aware, or should be, of the hydrocannon.
 

Daenerys Targaryen

Costume Account
Balance wise one shot bulletproof doesn’t really change the game a whole lot. It’s a lot weaker than a jailer.
Counting protection roles is very meta-y and kinda irrelevant, this game already had two cops flip which is very unusual.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
While I agree with you on the face, I gotta agree with Kyan here. Balance wise, the only thing that's really sus is that Geno Ross brought it up himself that it seemed like too much as a way to shade the commuter. Now that the commuter is verified, though, that SHOULD bite him in the ass - because it IS a lot of protection if town also had a BP. He's the one not verified and we are all aware, or should be, of the hydrocannon.
In the end the mass claim may leave him in relatively the same position if he can sell it. Tonight he kills Spider-Man and argues for his continued living being due to Spider being the bigger threat. Then he can use his power and jump to MYLO and pray. But there’s so many confirmed he basically has to use his power, and he’ll have to hope Rey’s arguments don’t gain traction in the meantime. Using his power in end game is also going to be dicey depending on how alert Town is (lol).

Chat doesn't close as actions lock? Is it open all the time?
It closes at day start.
 

Jack Sparrow

Costume Account
Oh I’m Red_V2. I really have to learn to not play super passive it was my downfall but I’m content with how I did for my third time playing
 
I guess Bob’s biggest gamble is scum decided to stop nking me after busting my BP.

I mean I wouldn’t make that gambit, but it’s a pretty reasonable shot.

question, if I had survived to the end of scum, would the game have ended or would Town have had to find me/the last of my targets?
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I guess Bob’s biggest gamble is scum decided to stop nking me after busting my BP.

I mean I wouldn’t make that gambit, but it’s a pretty reasonable shot.

question, if I had survived to the end of scum, would the game have ended or would Town have had to find me/the last of my targets?
You had no killing action so I wouldn’t have considered you a threat.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
I guess Bob’s biggest gamble is scum decided to stop nking me after busting my BP.

I mean I wouldn’t make that gambit, but it’s a pretty reasonable shot.

question, if I had survived to the end of scum, would the game have ended or would Town have had to find me/the last of my targets?

If your targets weren't dead when the game ended (either mafia or town winning) then you would have lost.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
JS, I did confirm you as vanilla. The posts Spidey was keying on were exactly that and there were a bunch of other breadcrumbs lol
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I mean the phase before people keyed on you as likely being cleared by Witch then the next phase they just tossed that all out lol
 

heymonkey

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JS, I did confirm you as vanilla. The posts Spidey was keying on were exactly that and there were a bunch of other breadcrumbs lol
yep, that was a bad kill UGH. Red, you did great! You were sketch at first but most people are lol. I think you showed town later.

The fact that Geno Ross is scumming exactly as he scummed in Nightmare is killing me, I have died, resurrect me when the game is over.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
yep, that was a bad kill UGH. Red, you did great! You were sketch at first but most people are lol. I think you showed town later.

The fact that Geno Ross is scumming exactly as he scummed in Nightmare is killing me, I have died, resurrect me when the game is over.
No. You’re trapped in this hell with the rest of us.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
been thinking and noticed my biggest grammar tell must be incorrectly using 'that' instead of 'who'
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Bob Ross was talking about voting for Jack Sparrow and in the same breath making the assumption that there would be more phases. Who would know that the game wouldn’t end?:pikathink:

IDK. it is a slight perspective slip but his agenda has been to say it was JS or BO.

And no one was really sure it was JS, they were just taking out someone who was an unknown.
 
Yeah, that's a turbo. If they're all that concerned that they won't know who it is after Obama's flip, they should discuss that this day phase a little bit, but what can you do
 
Definitely a bit of spectator knowledge with the way I know it's not Obama, but I really haven't seen any convincing arguments for that flip
 

Clown

Costume Account
Definitely a bit of spectator knowledge with the way I know it's not Obama, but I really haven't seen any convincing arguments for that flip

Mass claim - Obama, like Jack, could prove very little about themselves. Rey did not move when there was only one scum left - clear. Bob tanking the kill with his BP is by far the best explanation for the no kill night - clear. Spider-Man got strong evidence that Cindy is indeed a commuter - clear. The apparent alternatives would be Barney and Kool. Both were in Barney's chat when scum supposedly shot Bob - clear.
 
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