Scum Thread The Spine of the World

It's up to you guys, but I guess I don't get how actually being lovers necessarily makes it more likely that the town would buy you as lovers. Dying wouldn't prove it, since you would be revealed as mafia. Having a private chat doesn't make it more plausible, because we all have a private chat. The flavor won't help because we're named after the villains so you would have to claim with fake names anyway.

To me, it seems kind of like it opens you up to possible flavor-based criticism without much real benefit-- but go with it if you think it's a good idea, you guys are much more experienced mafia strategists than I am.

I think I have to try to be more active next day, I don't want to end up on the chopping block like Red Snift and Uzzy! But I'm nervous of saying the wrong thing. Maybe I'll try to post more short posts with short observations.

Help(): Uzzy
Command Received
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
It's up to you guys, but I guess I don't get how actually being lovers necessarily makes it more likely that the town would buy you as lovers. Dying wouldn't prove it, since you would be revealed as mafia. Having a private chat doesn't make it more plausible, because we all have a private chat. The flavor won't help because we're named after the villains so you would have to claim with fake names anyway.

To me, it seems kind of like it opens you up to possible flavor-based criticism without much real benefit-- but go with it if you think it's a good idea, you guys are much more experienced mafia strategists than I am.

I think I have to try to be more active next day, I don't want to end up on the chopping block like Red Snift and Uzzy! But I'm nervous of saying the wrong thing. Maybe I'll try to post more short posts with short observations.

Help(): Uzzy
The reason it works is because town has to commit to believing that both of us are scum, and believing it enough to risk killing two townies at once.
Hope is that town will being town reading one of us decently enough that it makes up for the attention the one that needed to claim was getting.
Also Scum lovers is just way less common then town lovers, so that helps.
 
There are links to the relevant wiki pages in the fake claims themselves <3
Ah, thanks, that's useful.

It's up to you guys, but I guess I don't get how actually being lovers necessarily makes it more likely that the town would buy you as lovers. Dying wouldn't prove it, since you would be revealed as mafia. Having a private chat doesn't make it more plausible, because we all have a private chat. The flavor won't help because we're named after the villains so you would have to claim with fake names anyway.

To me, it seems kind of like it opens you up to possible flavor-based criticism without much real benefit-- but go with it if you think it's a good idea, you guys are much more experienced mafia strategists than I am.
There's ways a bit of risk when fake claiming, the ideal goal is to not have to. Claiming lovers too early will be an issue for us if one of us is backed into a corner because the longer we live, the more suspicious it looks. Hence why I think we should have individual claims to rely on for now. As the game develops and if the both of us are still in the clear, then it might become a better option to fakeclaim lovers at that point.


Also, just guessing here, but since we have the role name investigation on our side, there’s little chance that town have the same role on theirs. It’s likelier they just have an alignment cop based on my role. That is it’s own problem, because if Maol and Stan are pushed into a corner and fake claim, I predict that if the alignment cop is still alive, that player will investigate one of Maol/Stan to confirm.
Your role could be a red herring, but yeah, I would err on the safe side for now and expect town to have a role that can check alignments. Let's hope we can figure out who that it is before it bites us, lol.

And finally Roleblock: SalvaPot
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Those are all valid concerns, but it’s risk that comes with the territory of fake claiming. There’s always a chance town is going to call bullshit on a roleclaim (hell, my plan for D2 is to do that to Jman lol), with or without any additional information. Maol and Stan should try to figure it out as much as they can before they’re pushed into a corner, which is the only situation I’d recommend any of us roleclaim.

The reason it works is because town has to commit to believing that both of us are scum, and believing it enough to risk killing two townies at once.
Hope is that town will being town reading one of us decently enough that it makes up for the attention the one that needed to claim was getting.
Also Scum lovers is just way less common then town lovers, so that helps.

There's ways a bit of risk when fake claiming, the ideal goal is to not have to. Claiming lovers too early will be an issue for us if one of us is backed into a corner because the longer we live, the more suspicious it looks. Hence why I think we should have individual claims to rely on for now. As the game develops and if the both of us are still in the clear, then it might become a better option to fakeclaim lovers at that point.

That all makes sense to me, thank you for explaining!
 
The funny thing is if he's really vanilla town, the best way to draw a nightkill is to play townie as fuck. If town never wants to lunch you, then you're a perfect candidate for a night kill.

All this shit? You're never getting nightkilled, lol.
 
Be careful pushing Uzzy. Town may think the people pushing that angle might be the ones who killed TP precisely because of the arguments you two are pushing.

Let other townies develop that theory so town eats themselves.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I'll back off-- honestly I was just trying to look active by saying anything at all!
 
I'll back off-- honestly I was just trying to look active by saying anything at all!
Yeah, that's fine. Just let the thread cook a bit, don't become the only ones pushing that Uzzy shade for other townies to harmlessly jump onto. When Uzzy flips, the blowback will be on you.

If you want to look active, ask what other people are thinking.
 
Damn, Chuggs picked up on exactly what I was afraid of. I think the best way to approach this, Hawthorn, is to point out that the thread wanted to discuss something other than jman at the time and you were looking at TP and Uzzy as a way to find something else to talk about. It's not great and Chuggs won't buy it, but you can't ignore it either.
 
I'm gonna vote for you too Hawthorn, I want to be the one who starts putting pressure on you so when I unvote later, anyone else who votes you might follow suit.
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Me when drawing attention to LP works and many pick it up: "oh yes"

Me when that attention quickly goes overboard ropes in Hawthorn as well: "oh no"
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Im also going to join on that pile and count on towns incredible ability to talk itself out of any early vote train by the days end.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I read this thread first and was really worried, but then I saw that it's mostly you guys voting for me. We'll see if I can defend myself adequately. I hope so. I don't really get the argument that I have a connection to LP, I'll address it more if it comes up again, but for now I like that it sends suspicion in the wrong direction.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Thank you! I am a defense lawyer, so hopefully I can at least adequately defend myself in this game, we'll see...
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
“We shouldn’t spend more time talking about Jman”

*drags town kicking and screaming back to talking about Jman*
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Everyone keeps saying not to talk about jman but I'm suspicious because I talked about something other than jman-- I almost feel offended, even though I am in the mafia!
 
I read this thread first and was really worried, but then I saw that it's mostly you guys voting for me. We'll see if I can defend myself adequately. I hope so. I don't really get the argument that I have a connection to LP, I'll address it more if it comes up again, but for now I like that it sends suspicion in the wrong direction.
I think you'll be fine. My plan is to keep a wagon on you controlled by myself and Stan for most of the day, then swing off onto L_P when there's only a few hours left in the phase. Town usually swings away from their initial reads as day closes, so that should be enough to keep you alive. And then tonight we kill Chuggs, lol. I think the doctor, if there is one, will think tonight we might try and hit Terraforce.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Everyone keeps saying not to talk about jman but I'm suspicious because I talked about something other than jman-- I almost feel offended, even though I am in the mafia!
Town is always going to be super dumb like that. You just gotta roll with it
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I think you'll be fine. My plan is to keep a wagon on you controlled by myself and Stan for most of the day, then swing off onto L_P when there's only a few hours left in the phase. Town usually swings away from their initial reads as day closes, so that should be enough to keep you alive. And then tonight we kill Chuggs, lol. I think the doctor, if there is one, will think tonight we might try and hit Terraforce.
I wonder if the doctor protected Terra last night. Either way, I’m betting they haven’t figured out we have an incentive to keep him alive lol

Chuggs is my choice, as well.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I think you'll be fine. My plan is to keep a wagon on you controlled by myself and Stan for most of the day, then swing off onto L_P when there's only a few hours left in the phase. Town usually swings away from their initial reads as day closes, so that should be enough to keep you alive. And then tonight we kill Chuggs, lol. I think the doctor, if there is one, will think tonight we might try and hit Terraforce.

OK, I trust you, you've been right about everything so far :laughing:Also I enjoyed the post in which you said you were voting for me because my posts were too convenient.

Yes, let's kill Chuggs!

Town is always going to be super dumb like that. You just gotta roll with it

I'm beginning to see this!
 
OK, I trust you, you've been right about everything so far :laughing:Also I enjoyed the post in which you said you were voting for me because my posts were too convenient.

Yes, let's kill Chuggs!
Need time to "chew" on whether or not I really think you're scum before coming to the conclusion near EoD that, you know what, I think it'll be more beneficial to flip LP first because his flip will "help inform" my read on you.

I think jman will ultimately be the final lunch today, but focusing on LP tomorrow will be a good target for me.
 
Yeah, I buy none of this. This feels like more of my point where you’re trying to throw shade now and figure out how to justify it later. You never said about how that vote was weak yesterday. I called you out on it and you went all “When did I say it was a bad vote?” Then when I pointed out it was implied with your comment you still didn’t make the argument you were making right now.

Also it’s hilarious getting called out for a weak vote when yours yesterday was just an off wagon vote with no reason behind it
Yessss, keep tunneling.

I have to say, this game is going really clean for us so far, and I'm getting increasingly paranoid about a PR fucking us, lol.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Kopite said:
This is a pretty bad post tbh, having an investigator check you and expecting to survive all the way to Lylo is pretty ridiculous. You could also be Godfather for all we know. I thought you were telling the truth earlier but I’m on the fence now
AntonioBanderas.gif
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Wow, the drama is amazing with you and jman launchpad, it's like a movie about former outlaw partners who betray each other!

I'm divided between voting for LP or jman myself, I want to basically do whatever will seem less suspicious. I think probably jman? I know Maol you said you plan to vote for LP ultimately so it'll be good for us all to be separated
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Wow, the drama is amazing with you and jman launchpad, it's like a movie about former outlaw partners who betray each other!

I'm divided between voting for LP or jman myself, I want to basically do whatever will seem less suspicious. I think probably jman? I know Maol you said you plan to vote for LP ultimately so it'll be good for us all to be separated
Many players are assigning LP and you to the same prospective scum team. If you vote against LP; who has a real chance of being lynched, you’ll throw a wrench in that theory. Just my thought.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Yeah, I think voting for LP is what I would do if I really was town, but it's not great strategically. I think I will go for jman. I think I'm hesitating so much because I feel bad voting for all these people who don't deserve it!
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
yeah i think im going to stay on you Hawthorn while Mao swaps to LP, i dont think your in to much danger tho.
Will keep us decently separated, plus at this point swapping to LP might come across more opportunistic than id like.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
That makes sense Stan, I feel like I'm out of hot water after Chuggernaut became less convinced of my guilt. I'll vote for Jman soon & stay there
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Had to throw some cheap heat out there. I always love how I do exactly what I say scum does and no one calls me out on it
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I'm trying to think ahead to what I would claim if I ever had to. I think Bailey would be the best of the listed fake claims for me, then we could save Lillian and Maximillias for Maol and Stan if they want to claim lovers, since they're friends according to the wiki. I could claim the roleblocking/protecting part of my role if I haven't used it yet-- it looks similar to the get() function described in the wiki. Or I could just use the name and claim to be vanilla. I seriously doubt I'll have to do either today, just thinking ahead.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I'm trying to think ahead to what I would claim if I ever had to. I think Bailey would be the best of the listed fake claims for me, then we could save Lillian and Maximillias for Maol and Stan if they want to claim lovers, since they're friends according to the wiki. I could claim the roleblocking/protecting part of my role if I haven't used it yet-- it looks similar to the get() function described in the wiki. Or I could just use the name and claim to be vanilla. I seriously doubt I'll have to do either today, just thinking ahead.
ah, be careful there. Vanilla is just "Ordinary Cloudbank citizen"

I agree with the other fake claim. I think it's stronger than claiming vanilla, even. You can prove you have that ability.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Either way, you're out of the hotseat. Looks like Maol is catching heat, but it will probably dissipate by tomorrow.
 
I'm not catching heat. I'm distracting town

Also, kinda hope town listens to this lol.


If it comes down to lp vs jman, as it seems it will, my vote would probably stay on jman. As I said I believe the scum votes are mostly on l_p (Who I am still not convinced is scum), so me staying on jman will probably force scum to double down on lp if the vote gets any closer.

Also, I think is more likely jman is scum than lp is, I don't really agree with the notion that lp feels weird, but I do admit that the fascination with lp IS weird and flipping lp would put a spotlight on everyone voting lp. So I am not against lp's lunch, if it comes down to that this early in the game.

On the other hand, jman has admitted to be a vanilla townie, meaning that lunching him is really not that risky of an option. The only reason why I could think he would lie about that is that he either is scum or he is actually the doctor and is hoping to survive and have scum not kill him. I think it's more likely he is scum or just vanilla. It is the easy way out, but the day actually didn't focus on him that much so I can't say the day is wasted by lunching him, since we have enough info on the other votes to build something for D3.

Bottom line, jman > lp.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I think Geno's communicating that he got our message by listing Uzzy as his top town read
 
So I know we were talking about killing Chuggs tonight, but considering how that day ended, I kind of want town to be spinning their wheels again tomorrow all phase long getting absolutely nowhere. And I think the best way to do that is to go for a super low information kill on someone like Hedin.

Just, another kill that will totally confuse them, take up their time trying to figure out if it's worth talking about, and continuing to make no progress on actually hitting one of us.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I’m ok with MrHedin, as well. We can start soft peddling the “huh why hasn’t largely townread Chuggs died yet” angle.

For role investigation, I’d recommend Blarg. I do think Blarg is trying to bait something, but there’s a low likelihood that he expects that to be a scum investigation action.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I no longer care about killing Chuggs now that he doesn't seem to suspect me. I only care about killing those who personally suspect me!

Mr. Hedin or another person not much talked about is a good idea.

I feel nervous about investigating Blarg, just because it feels like a trap, the way he's asking for people to visit him, but you're right that probably he wouldn't expect a mafia investigator.

I thought at the beginning of the day that I might have to use Mask tonight, but I don't think enough people really suspect me yet-- I can only use it once.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Going to float a crazy idea out there, but what do you guys think about using the kill and Crash() on MrHedin tonight? Then town is going to have a real fucking time of it D3, only to have two bodies show up D4 lmao
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Oh that was abso fucking lutely hilarious to catch up on.
My timezone has caused sone shenanigans before but that takes it oh my god.

Anyway as for the kill, yeah lets leave chuggs, and im down for a low info kill but Hedin specifically was giving me very strong potential late game distraction vibes. Someone we can push town toward when all the more obvious targets aee used up.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Oh that was abso fucking lutely hilarious to catch up on.
My timezone has caused sone shenanigans before but that takes it oh my god.

Anyway as for the kill, yeah lets leave chuggs, and im down for a low info kill but Hedin specifically was giving me very strong potential late game distraction vibes. Someone we can push town toward when all the more obvious targets aee used up.
I do see where you’re coming from, but I think aside from Chuggs and Terra, I think most of the other players are a soft push away from being eaten alive out there. I guess that’s why I’m looking at it from the reverse direction - who has a better chance of rallying town in the late game. I think we’re looking at Terra, Kopite, Hedin, Chuggs, and Salva.

Any thoughts on an investigation?
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
About delaying the kill-- I like the idea of leaving the town with less information on day 3, but I feel like if we do that it would be better for me to use purge, the delayed strong kill. I want to save crash for if I need it to claim, or if we need to roleblock someone or protect one of us. But if we use the delayed strong kill we shouldn't use it on someone we have no reason to think is protected. Maybe use purge on Chuggernaut?
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
I do see where you’re coming from, but I think aside from Chuggs and Terra, I think most of the other players are a soft push away from being eaten alive out there. I guess that’s why I’m looking at it from the reverse direction - who has a better chance of rallying town in the late game. I think we’re looking at Terra, Kopite, Hedin, Chuggs, and Salva.

Any thoughts on an investigation?
Yeah good point, i dont think im wrong but everyones kinda in the same deal there.

As for investigations im open to suggestion, im terrible at sniffing out PRs.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
About delaying the kill-- I like the idea of leaving the town with less information on day 3, but I feel like if we do that it would be better for me to use purge, the delayed strong kill. I want to save crash for if I need it to claim, or if we need to roleblock someone or protect one of us. But if we use the delayed strong kill we shouldn't use it on someone we have no reason to think is protected. Maybe use purge on Chuggernaut?
That was a just crazy dumb idea I was throwing out. I did think about it more, and I think that, first, you’re right that that should be saved for if/when you need to claim. Second, even if we do what I’m suggesting, it’d be better as a victory lap once we’re close to winning. We’ve had a tight game so far, so reason to throw one of our more versatile abilities out so early.

On that note, I know we keep being paranoid about the town PRs countering ours, but further thinking about why I have an extra kill and why there’s a strong kill ability, I’ve realized we are probably going to fudge up a kill at least once. The game must be designed to funnel us into it.


Yeah good point, i dont think im wrong but everyones kinda in the same deal there.

As for investigations im open to suggestion, im terrible at sniffing out PRs.
Blarg is the only one that’s been hinting at something, as far as I can tell, but he also might be setting a trap for the kill. Worst case scenario, his continuous hinting might get him watched tonight.

I’ve tried to keep an eye out for breadcrumbs and not seen anything. I was wondering if anyone else saw anything.
 
So far in the game Hedin has been talked about the least and that's sort of why I want to push the kill to him, just because anyone who wants to actually go look at Hedin's posts and try to figure out a reason for the kill, isn't going to find much to work with. He hasn't appeared on any read lists or really on any body's radar. And while that is good for late game pushes, I think the other players who have sort of drawn more attention will be easier to push. I like to work with where town is already looking, it's easier to ultimately influence them towards their own doom when it's towards people they were already suspecting.

As for an investigation target, Blarg is really the only player who's clearly explicitly trying to draw attention to himself. Knowing Blarg, I fully expect him. to not actually have anything, but is trying to get scum to either night kill him or waste an action on him. I'm fine investigating his role, I'm not seeing anything from any other player in terms of breadcrumbs so might as well use it on the player who wants to be looked at. If someone sees Stan visiting Blarg, it's pretty easy to justify it.

I don't think Hawthorn needs to use any of her abilities tonight, it's better to hold onto those in case we need them. Things have been clean so far, but those are good to have in case of emergency.

As for who does the kill, I don't think itatters much of we do Hedin. The odds of someone looking at him is so small, I don't think any of us are at risk. I can do it if no one cares. And then the only other action out of us tonight would be Stan investigating Blarg.
 

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
yeah fair, killing Hedin it is then.

Inverstigating blarg sounds fine, tho $10 says hes got squat and its just him wanting attention.
 
I'll put the kill in now. Not sure if I'll be around again by the time actions lock, feel free to grab it from me if you want to do it.

Kill: MrHedin
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Yeah, these actions all sound good to me! Now to prepare for the next day, the break doesn't really feel as long as I thought it would. Mr. Hedin was another one who mainly suspected Uzzy-- I wonder if that'll reinvigorate the argument about looking into the dead person's suspects, not that I intend to touch it with a ten foot pole. Unless Geno has the ability to kill Uzzy tonight, but we don't know anything about his powers.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Yeah, these actions all sound good to me! Now to prepare for the next day, the break doesn't really feel as long as I thought it would. Mr. Hedin was another one who mainly suspected Uzzy-- I wonder if that'll reinvigorate the argument about looking into the dead person's suspects, not that I intend to touch it with a ten foot pole. Unless Geno has the ability to kill Uzzy tonight, but we don't know anything about his powers.
Yeah, I’m definitely wanting to leave that untouched. I think they’re going to turn around on Uzzy in another phase or two, anyway, so it’s not worth it.

I won’t be around for day start probably, so I might change my plan for this phase based on what I see when I check in.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Wow, I just looked that role up (though I don't know what discreet means) and that explains why he's been asking everyone to say that they're town! I did say that I was town so it's possible I've been checked, can't remember if any of the rest of you did. Good investigating, team!

Time to get psyched up for more meaningless reasoning :-D
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I remember that TP asked me if I had access to an outside chat and I responded "Are you asking if I'm in the mafia? I am not" which is maybe two separate statements?

He only has two shots and I think maybe he checked jman's doctor claim.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I remember that TP asked me if I had access to an outside chat and I responded "Are you asking if I'm in the mafia? I am not" which is maybe two separate statements?

He only has two shots and I think maybe he checked jman's doctor claim.
That sure would’ve been a fucking waste
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Awesome killing team!! I wonder if his vest is still out there/would survive his death-- he obviously didn't have it tonight.

Sorry, didn’t mean to imply you were wrong, just that it would be hilariously awful that Jman screwed them like that

I didn't mean true in an offended way, just like "yes that's true!" Though now I'm a bit paranoid that maybe jman actually is the doctor. I noticed Blargonaut defended him a lot yesterday.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
We can use the strong kill if we get to the point of killing Terra, so I hope that's where the vest went
 
I think he would’ve used it on Terra N1. He must’ve given it to someone else N2.
Guess it really doesn't matter. We don't have to worry about it now, lol.

So far, town is doing exactly what I hoped they would today. The added bonus of Hedin being bodyguard is a cherry on top of everything.
 
The beauty of this play is that LP is gonna flip town, the argument is gonna swing back the other way and look at the people who voted for LP. That includes me, but we're gonna be close enough to winning that me and Stan can claim lovers if heat gets intense on me. And that leaves Sparks, Kopite and jman on the board for town to target if they buy a lovers claim.
 
Stan, when you get here, go ahead and vote LP. We can use how we've been voting together as further evidence of being lovers because we've been discussing them with each other.
 

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
I like your evil mastermind strategy Maol. My plan is not to mention LP that much, so that people still think I have a connection to him-- then I'll look squeaky clean when he flips.
 
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