Pair Thread Petey Piranha / King Boo Kart

Hawthorn

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Excellent, so it's now been publicly established that neither monkey/VA nor launch/ATP were switched :-D
 
jman1954goat

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Ok here's the opening for later. Sorian just said he hopes Hawthorn scanned me.

I will Quote that post and say "Nope she Targeted Atp" (note I used the word target over scan. )

Let the thread react to that then You come in like 10-15 minutes later explain how it's not exactly a red check.

Then I quote you and argue with you.
 
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Lol at Launchpad he just said he wants to hear from us before he goes any further.

Of course scum would not want to talk much and compromise the team if there's a chance they are the check.
 
jman1954goat

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jman1954goat said:
Lol at Launchpad he just said he wants to hear from us before he goes any further.

Of course scum would not want to talk much and compromise the team if there's a chance they are the check.
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I mean he could be town that just wants the red check I should not jump to conclusions.
 
Hawthorn

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Yeah, seeming more and more suspicious, but can't jump to conclusions... give it a little bit longer IMO
 
jman1954goat

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What are you eating? I eat leftovers from Christmas dinner which was rotisserie chicken, a beef roast, rice , greens, yams, stuffing with Turkey meat inside and cranberry sauce.
 
Hawthorn

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That sounds amazing! I just had pizza, LOL, but we had a roast ham at my friendsmas. Also eggnog. Pretty great.

Anyway, the thread is pretty dead, and Launch has posted a bunch even if ATP's not online. ATP's not the type to reveal stuff without consulting first. I think we're ready to go.

I thought it over more & I think we should cut the disagreement stuff as too complicated and go back to your initial gambit. I'll post (hope you don't mind, but I'd love to make the post!) that we have a red check on Launch/ATP but not to turbo just yet so as not to waste the day in case there's more to discuss. Then we can see what they say & go from there. Try not to say too much until they respond. We want to see what their response is before you & I get drawn into theorizing/back and forth.

NB, Launch put Zipped/zeke in his "town leans" category, meaning their kart isn't the real doctor, further narrowing down the list of possible legit reasons to have visited Monkey/Vincent

Let me know if you're ok with this plan & I'll post!
 
jman1954goat

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Hawthorn said:
That sounds amazing! I just had pizza, LOL, but we had a roast ham at my friendsmas. Also eggnog. Pretty great.

Anyway, the thread is pretty dead, and Launch has posted a bunch even if ATP's not online. ATP's not the type to reveal stuff without consulting first. I think we're ready to go.

I thought it over more & I think we should cut the disagreement stuff as too complicated and go back to your initial gambit. I'll post (hope you don't mind, but I'd love to make the post!) that we have a red check on Launch/ATP but not to turbo just yet so as not to waste the day in case there's more to discuss. Then we can see what they say & go from there. Try not to say too much until they respond. We want to see what their response is before you & I get drawn into theorizing/back and forth.

NB, Launch put Zipped/zeke in his "town leans" category, meaning their kart isn't the real doctor, further narrowing down the list of possible legit reasons to have visited Monkey/Vincent

Let me know if you're ok with this plan & I'll post!
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go for it Post away

I wanna make a joke after I will post after you do.
 
Hawthorn

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Don't rush this! People are going to pepper us with questions, but it's ok for us to be chill about it, since we know what information we have. Let's make sure we both consult with each other before revealing that it was a track, IMO, just to make sure we're on the same page.

Pretty exciting!!
 
jman1954goat

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I kinda think Faddy was the only investigation role. It's a small game plus there's a universal backup for a reason right?
 
Hawthorn

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We got them!! Launch just claimed bulletproof, meaning there was no reason to visit Dr. Monkey. It's officially a real red check. I don't think we need to elaborate on our role further.
 
Hawthorn

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Fingers crossed there isn't some way we can be wrong, but it doesn't seem possible! The only option is that we were redirected by mafia (since a town redirecter who targeted us would have come forward). But that could happen to anyone, and it's a distant possibility.. I think this may be a successful gambit! Got to wait for the flip to be sure...
 
jman1954goat

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Hawthorn said:
Fingers crossed there isn't some way we can be wrong, but it doesn't seem possible! The only option is that we were redirected by mafia (since a town redirecter who targeted us would have come forward). But that could happen to anyone, and it's a distant possibility.. I think this may be a successful gambit! Got to wait for the flip to be sure...
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High Five !
 
jman1954goat

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Banana is an item in Mario kart that could be dragged behind to avoid being hit by an item. It would make perfect sense for donkey kong.
 
Hawthorn

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If they flip town we explain the situation completely & that the only explanation was a mafia redirect, since the switch is otherwise accounted for & doesn't explain us seeing our target make a visit when the claimed role is passive. They'll lynch us, but our flips will confirm what we were saying, & then they'll know about the redirector. But hopefully that won't happen!!
 
jman1954goat

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We may get strong shot but assuming we are alive tomorrow. We are going to have to claim unless we somehow get lucky enough to track the kill to the exact target twice.
 
Hawthorn

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I agree, but leave it for tomorrow. We def got them. They're desperate enough to claim neutral survivors. W/o full claiming, we should maybe say something soon that this doesn't account for the check.
 
jman1954goat

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Like part of me says we tell the truth today since we will have to claim tomorrow anyway town might be mad if we wait. However saying nothing night make mafia play scared.
 
Hawthorn

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But if people start being like "oh maybe we can work with neutrals" then we have to explain that we know the neutral claim is bs. We don't have to say why at first, but if people press us we might have to come forward.
 
jman1954goat

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When you read this Launchpad I'm just kidding about working with you as neutral we Know you stabbed Monkey/and VA Last night.
 
Hawthorn

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Also, what am I thinking? We weren't redirected. What would be the odds that we get redirected from a neutral survivor to the person performing the mafia kill in a 15-role game? The simplest explanation is best. We got mafia.
 
Hawthorn

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IMO, don't get drawn into saying anything more about our role/check than we've already said. Launch is trying to draw us out so that he can find some way to make his fake claim work with our check. Some of the other people posting are probably mafia trying to do the same. But most people believe us, so we don't need to give any more info than we already have. Just my thoughts!
 
jman1954goat

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Hawthorn said:
IMO, don't get drawn into saying anything more about our role/check than we've already said. Launch is trying to draw us out so that he can find some way to make his fake claim work with our check. Some of the other people posting are probably mafia trying to do the same. But most people believe us, so we don't need to give any more info than we already have. Just my thoughts!
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I will tone it down messing with Launchpad is too fun.
 
Hawthorn

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I’m going back and forth on whether we should reveal before the end of the day. If mafia has a strong kill, it would be better not to reveal, so we bait the kill away from better power roles. If they don’t, it might be better to reveal, so we don’t make the doctor give up a shot on us.

How common are strong kills? That’s the part I’m not sure of. I might go look at some smaller past games to see what kinds of roles mafia had. I definitely won’t reveal unless we both agree, though.
 
Hawthorn

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Actually, forget it. The day’s about to end. I feel like we had a strong kill almost every time I was mafia, so they must be common in this community. Let’s just claim tomorrow like we planned
 
jman1954goat

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I think best time to tell the truth is at the very beginning of day 3 start so we get any questions or suspicion out the way early.

The most important thing now is thinking who will be our night 2 target.

Geno and Sin are out two leftovers we considered yesterday.

I would add Funky dude and commander byte to the list I can't get a read on these 2 karts and would like extra info.
 
Hawthorn

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How about commander byte? They've been acting weird. Sparks/Polter seem similar to how I remember them from previous games. I think Genoforce and Sin were pretty normal on D2.

The other two possibilities I would throw out are Muffian and Fanto/Uzzy. Muffian just because I'm starting to get super annoyed with all the hinting around! Fanto/Uzzy, I just have a feeling that something's up with them, but I can't really justify it. I also noticed Fanto making a lot of comments to the effect that she's worried she's not solving as well as usual. She made similar comments in Risk when it turned out she was a t-rex.

I'm good with Commander Byte if you want to go that way though
 
Hawthorn

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Pre-written post:

Good morning. Before we dive into the events of the day, I have to admit something to all of you: Jman and I are not cops.

Our role is universal town backups. We inherited Faddy and Malus's tracker role after they died. On N1, we tracked Launchpad & ATP, who visited Dr. Monkey. We knew that they had to be mafia after their fake claim didn't account for any night actions. It was Jman's idea to claim a red check instead of a track result, which I think worked very well at preventing our targets from making a convincing fake claim (and we would have owned up if it seemed like there was any possibility they weren't mafia).

We considering admitting the truth yesterday, but our hope was that we would get strong-killed tonight, sparing better town power roles. Seemed best to be honest today, in case a real cop needs to come forward later (don't claim now!!)
 
jman1954goat

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I think I want to do commander Byte because they are not giving us any information.

Fanto Uzzy is a decent pick

I feel like as annoying as Sorian is being, he talks a lot and will give us more info himself eventually.
 
Hawthorn

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You're probably right about Sorian. So it's between Fanto/Uzzy and Commander Byte. You pick, since I picked last time.
 
jman1954goat

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If the same thing happens twice and Lux/byte. Goes to the night kill we can keep up the same cop gambit. Otherwise we post your pre written post.
 
Hawthorn

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Most likely you can't answer, but is that what would happen if we were roleblocked? Or if we tracked someone using a ninja ability?
 
Hawthorn

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I mean, it depends on what the game runner decided to do for this specific game. I don't think it's written in stone.
 
jman1954goat

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I still think you post your pre written post now if we wait to long we might lose credibility.

Especially since our flavor names King boo and Petey piranha are villains.
 
Hawthorn

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Don't see any reason why not to, I already went ahead and did it. But there's no way we'll get suspicion for our flavor names when we were pretty much responsible for catching mafia yesterday. We're good! Curious about the lack of death though.
 
jman1954goat

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Let's see if Zeke Healed the kill.

Also can't stress enough you were amazing with the Gambit I would not have pulled it off smooth like you did if I was working alone.
 
Hawthorn

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Sorry, I wasn't checking here! Thanks for the birthday wishes guys <3

The whole gambit was your idea, way better than my idea of just claiming our track result!
 
jman1954goat

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No idea who I want to pursue today. The Fanto vote was mostly to get a reaction out of uzzy which worked but I'm not convinced uzzy/fanto are scum.

I am pretty null overall on most players in the game to be honest.
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

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Yeah, I don't have any serious reads as of yet, I mostly just want to see how the day develops now that most of the mechanics talk is out of the way
 
Hawthorn

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This is the part of the game that I'm bad at XD, I really prefer being on the mafia team and not having to solve!
 
Hawthorn

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I wish we could track tonight, because I would definitely say that it's time to go after Muffian. I've had it with the hints!
 
jman1954goat

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I put the finishing touches on the mafia game I have been designing !!!!!!

At some point I will need to type it up and find were in supposed to send it for review but At some point next year people might be playing in my game!
 
Hawthorn

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Cool, well excited to see it come out.

Have you noticed Sawneeks being really nice to us a bunch of times? I've never been "pocketed" before, because usually everyone thinks I'm mafia, but it seems possible she's trying to pocket us. Don't mention that thought in the thread if you don't mind.
 
Natiko

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jman1954goat said:
I put the finishing touches on the mafia game I have been designing !!!!!!

At some point I will need to type it up and find were in supposed to send it for review but At some point next year people might be playing in my game!
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Just let someone know in the OT or on discord you can ping the review team to get reviewers and a board setup on OM.
 
Hawthorn

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Jman, this game is weird! I don't know what to post if I'm not defending myself from suspicion 90% of the time.

Here's my half-in-progress thoughts:


LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx
-I posted my conspiracy theory earlier, that I could see them being mafia teammates with Wee and Fireblend, explaining why nothing came out of the swapped chats, but I'm aware it's pretty out there.

The Bear and Sawneeks
-Sawneeks has been really nice to me and Jman on a couple occasions. Is it because she's nice?? Or is it because she's trying to pocket us since most people think we're town.
-Sawneeks organizing the town core. NAI, now that I've thought about it more.
-Bear was into "testing" Geno and Terraforce's loved claim.

Geno and Terraforce
-Geno's multiple weird claims/jokes and Terra backing them up. Feels more relaxed than they would be as mafia. Geno really dug into people the time we were mafia together. When he made crazy claims he committed to them and got people to believe them. They both seem so chill in this game. Lean town.
-They barely reacted to Sorian's D1 cop "claim". Because they have so much sangfroid? Because they knew he was joking? Or because they're not mafia.

Sorian and Muffin
-Just say what the thing is!! I would 100% vote this pair out just to see what it is. Not going to waste time analyzing their cryptic remarks until more becomes clear.

Fireblend and weemadarthur
-See above re my LuxCommander/Terrabyte conspiracy theory

TheChuggernaut and MrHedin
-The messenger role has been confirmed. It doesn't *feel* like a mafia role, not to say that it's impossible to be one, but it's unlikely.
-I've liked their posts. Strong town lean.

It's going to be between weemad/fire and terrabyte/lux. Check both.
 
jman1954goat

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I feel the same about not knowing what to post.

I am not great at solving the game yet. I mostly just react to what ever is happening hoping to get mafia to slip and the actually good solvers get an opening to do there thing.

I don't think I have actually posted a read list this entire season.

not a lot is happening So not much for me to react to.
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

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Ugh, just realized the top half of my reads list got cut off and then I didn't save the text file because I thought I posted it here, nuts!
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

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It's slightly embarrassing to admit, because it's really the heart of the game, but analyzing posts to figure out who's in the mafia is not something I'm good at.
 
jman1954goat

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Hawthorn said:
It's slightly embarrassing to admit, because it's really the heart of the game, but analyzing posts to figure out who's in the mafia is not something I'm good at.
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Yep I feel the exact same way. I am sure We will get better over time.

even if we don't the point of the game is to have fun and enjoy ourselves. as long as we are trying our best we are playing the game right imo
 
Hawthorn

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Yeah, you're right, and we did help the town with our track/gambit anyway! I am enjoying this game to be sure. I'm looking forward a lot to reading all the pairs chats when they open. Can't decide which one I'll read first, which do you think you'll go for?
 
Hawthorn

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I'm assuming the mafia are all in one big group thread. That'll be my first read probably. Then Fanto/Uzzy and Blarg/LP
 
jman1954goat

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I have my own conspiracy theory. Fire/Wee is scum without Vig shot. They fake claim stay alive both these day phases. use the Mafia team kill claim that is the Vig shot while Zeke claims to have healed again.

Salvapot has successfully Gaslight me
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

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I mean, anything's possible!! But I do believe them for now, it just seems like too much of a crazy coincidence to panic-claim doc as mafia, and then nobody counter claims for two days, AND there's a deathless night. Any of those things alone, ok, but all together I wouldn't look there right now
 
Hawthorn

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Muffin's question is weird, since it makes perfect sense for a mafia weemad/fire to claim, since they were already on the chopping block & could want to draw out counter claims. Makes me think that maybe bearneeks is actually just a straight town vig but want to discourage mafia from killing them
 
Hawthorn

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don't say that in the thread b/c I don't want mafia to get that idea if they don't already have it, probably not true anyway
 
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