Pair Thread Petey Piranha / King Boo Kart

Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Pretty fed up with Sorian and Muffin, but I have to agree with them that they didn't personally harm Geno and Terra or anything, it's all a game.
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
As of right now in my liveblog (post 3435) I believe Salva. I think that's a plausible way to handle that moderation discussion, keeping track of what thread you're posting in is part of the game. Also I know that someone in the mafia slipped and posted in the wrong thread in costume party, a game that Natiko also moderated, and it just played out as normal in the game, without moderator intervention.
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Whereas, trying to claim what Salva did as a gambit would be crazy. But who's to know what will change my mind in the remaining 2 pages that got posted in the past half hour??
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Hope you enjoyed my liveblog. Sorry to hear you got upset. It's always ok to take time away from the computer if you're not having fun, because ultimately whether we win or lose the game doesn't really matter.

That said honestly we're great town players this game. We cracked the whole thing open by delivering Launch and ATP! We rock! And you rock especially!

Going to go have my dinner and read a bit, I'll check in with you tomorrow about who to track.
 
jman1954goat

jman1954goat

Linked the Fire
Remember when I replaced out after Town killed you and Nin in Easy Allies? I often get way more upset than the people I think were wronged.
 
jman1954goat

jman1954goat

Linked the Fire
I will let you take the lead on who to track I am clearly not in the correct state of mind to be making gameplay decisions right now.
 
jman1954goat

jman1954goat

Linked the Fire
I do feel good that I was the first to see Zipped scum tell on day 1 and my push would have led to a dead Mafia member day 1 if it was not for the last second desperation Doctor claim.
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
jman1954goat said:
Remember when I replaced out after Town killed you and Nin in Easy Allies? I often get way more upset than the people I think were wronged.
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LOL, I was kind of glad I got killed because I was busy at the time, but I felt really guilty because I felt like my bad play got nin killed. I think everybody gets emotional about these games sometimes, it's human nature in a game that in some way is about manipulating people's emotions. Personally, this might not be for everybody, but my technique is that when I'm not enjoying the game and having fun, I just don't post. I close the browser window and go do something else, same as when I'm busy at work or have other things to do. So far it seems to work ok!

Anyway, what an eventful two days!!

Here are the remaining pairs:

Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
Funky Dude Sparks and Poltergust
SalvaPot and nin
Uzzy and Fanto
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx / Stu and Verelios
The Bear and Sawneeks
Sorian and Muffin
Fireblend and weemadarthur
TheChuggernaut and MrHedin

We can eliminate Salva and nin, since Salva gave up z&z. I think we can also eliminate Muffian and Sparkstergust. It's possible that they're lying about being masons and in fact are all mafia together, but it would be so risky and it doesn't feel right with how they've interacted. Finally, I would eliminate Chuggs & Hedin, they seem townie, their role seems townie. That leaves us with:

Blargonaut and Lone_Prodigy
Uzzy and Fanto
LuxCommander and Terrabyte20xx / Stu and Verelios
The Bear and Sawneeks
Fireblend and weemadarthur

IMO either one of the vig claimants is mafia OR the mafia has two remaining karts. It doesn't seem balanced for there to be two vig abilities and only 3 mafia karts. So if Bearneeks and Firemad are both town, there's only one town between the 3 remaining karts. I would bet that it's Fanto and Uzzy, leaving Blarg/LP and the all-replacement kart as mafia. It could also be the replacement kart that's town-- that would almost make more sense with how they both stopped posting at around the same time, if something happened in their kart chat, though that could also just be a coincidence.

If one of the vig claimants is mafia, you're right that it's probably fireblend.

So, IMO, we should track either weemad/fire or Blarg/LP.

It all comes down to the same question we discussed forever. Could both vig claimants be telling the truth??

Mafia knew that claiming vig was risky, but weemad was already up for elimination and had to claim something. She knew that some of the roles that had flipped so far were an unusual design (chat scrambler, backup), not a straight mafia role, while others (tracker, bulletproof) were. Maybe the mafia reasoned that if there was a vig (which they didn't know for sure, since there could be a track ITA modifier), the vig would probably be unusual enough that they could play it off as the two roles coexisting. Actually, that's kind of what weemad did when she fake-claimed doctor in Risk. She was town, but it was the same principle, she varied the role enough that it plausibly seemed like it could exist alongside a counterclaim.

On the other hand, would tracking fireblend be effective? If they're mafia, they'll just do a modified version of your theory. We track them visiting the kill of the night, then they claim that that was their vig shot and the real doctor must have healed the mafia kill. This will be credible if they kill someone who seems slightly shady and claim that the mafia must have over-confidently gone for someone in the "town core" believing that there was no doc since z/z didn't get counterclaimed. I don't see a way past this strategy, so I don't think we should track weemad even if we think they're mafia.


track: Blargonaut
vote: Bowser's Castle


I put the command in just so we don't forget, but I'm totally open to discussing & changing it! Even change it without me if you feel strongly, that's ok with me.

As for the track vote, I just want to shake things up.
 
jman1954goat

jman1954goat

Linked the Fire
I have no objection to the the tracking target. I will probably be busy until day start so I will see you then. (If we live)
 
Hawthorn

Hawthorn

I'll explain my reasons later
Sounds good. Also, I had an idea for a bit of a gambit, tell me what you think of it (no need to respond before day start, it wouldn't need to be done immediately). If there's only one kill (and we don't catch Blarg/LP in the act), what if we lie and say that we tracked weemad/fireblend to the kill? If they're mafia, it would force them into the narrative that the kill was the vig shot. If they respond "what, I didn't visit that person!" they're probably town. We can reveal that we lied/our real track results after we see the response. It wouldn't be a smoking gun, since it's possible that they really will vig kill someone, but could give helpful info? Anyway, I won't say anything about the track result until I hear back from you about it. All assuming we live of course, fingers crossed.
 
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