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Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
chuggs waiting on you to swoop in here and be a hero

aannyyy minute now

or else im going to panic submit someone
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
So pushing VA hard is probably going to end with ATP coming in and saving them, so probably a good idea to avoid that so he doesn’t claim and kill or vanilla ATP tomorrow night
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Chuggs I think you're reading that wrong. I saw anyone who visited ATP, not who ATP visited. VA is the Doc, I'd bet on it.

That's good Ambulance is a one night only thing. Thought that may have been permanent. ( ._.)
Lone_Prodigy said:
Sorry folks. Last couple days have been hectic.
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No worries, LP. hope everything is ok <3
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
That's strike number two. One more and we kick you out of the club and feed you to town

Sorry I don't make the rules
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
So we could vanilla VA also, and that would get rid of that problem because we don't really have a strong kill or anything to get around that.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
oh god we killed my neighbor. RIP

VA is a strong player though so I worry about keeping him around. I still kind of want to vanilla ambulance since we cant vote him out (he'll just sacrifice himself and stop us) or we waste a night killing him.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
My whole thing with Ambulance is it only matter if a cop claims. He's really town, so I don't think we're going to have much look pushing him to a kill anyway. If he uses it in a way that isn't to buy the cop time it just essentially means we used a night kill on Ambulance and there's worse ways to use a night kill. Plus we'll know who the cop is so we can just vanilla them.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I don't think he is. Think he just read stuff over.

So can we talk about how the neighbor came up as a cop role? Wonder if that's meant to confuse our results? There's no way that's the only cop
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
i hope you're right...

I'd guess it's meant to confused our results. Whether that means Town has a real cop or not is a shrug.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I would have been in so much trouble if we got a check on Hedin saying he's a cop, tried that forge thing, and then he flipped with that lmao
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Leo I know this is your first town game please accept my apology. I feel really bad about this push :<
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
We should be okay if we can swing people elsewhere.

and since Faddy is talking all about decorum i'm not going to bus any of you. wanna see how that works out lol
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Okay I'm back for now, but I don't know how long this is going to last for. Going to try to put in some work real quick
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
i said it in the main thread but i may not be around for day end. got a dentist appointment around day end and it's a bit of a drive to get there. gonna talk to some folks who are around and see if i can park my vote away from malus.
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Turm is probably safer of the two. Faddy getting knocked out here would be nice and will probably save us a night kill later, but oh boy the Faddy vote is bad so I would avoid it if you can
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
thank goodness you're here to talk me out of this because i've almost convinced myself to go faddy with the guise of, "this pushes him up to 4 votes, i find him weird and think more pressure on him could shake stuff out. we could also see what other group gets pushed up to be opposite of faddy."

chuggs please talk me out of this
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Neeks hear me out (Although it might be too late now)

We can push Turms and then when he flips we can look back at those Faddy posts and be all “Hey did you know he wasn’t going to flip scum?”
 
Chuggernaut

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Really don’t want to replace out, but everything going on down here has made me real anxious. In a safe spot, but I just don’t know how long that’s going to last for. Going to see how I feel during the night phase and I’ll make a decision then
 
Aeleus

Aeleus

malus said:
Another decoy cop?! :joffrey:
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Giant Panda

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Hey all, just wanted to say hello! I'm in the middle of the work day right now so I haven't had a chance to catch up yet, but this evening I'll sit down to catch up on everything.
 
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Giant Panda

Eats, shoots, and leaves
Why is there suspicion on you Sawneeks?

I'm trying my best to catch up on Day 2 before the end of day but I don't know if I'll make it. Might have to make some audibles blind as to what has fully happened Day 2.
 
malus

malus

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I think I'll go for a Tie Breaker in the game thread today. Just waiting to get a bit closer to 1 hour before EoD.
 
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Giant Panda

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Well I regret my vote of Leo. I saw that Malus was on that wagon but I didn't realize that Sawneeks v Leo had been a whole thing. We seem dangerously over-exposed on this Leo vote. :(
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Giant Panda said:
Why is there suspicion on you Sawneeks?

I'm trying my best to catch up on Day 2 before the end of day but I don't know if I'll make it. Might have to make some audibles blind as to what has fully happened Day 2.
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Faddy has been jumping around and seems to just think im 'bad'. Leo isn't happy I went for him and thinks it's for scummy reasons.

it's a bad vote group. :u
 
malus

malus

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Giant Panda said:
Well I regret my vote of Leo. I saw that Malus was on that wagon but I didn't realize that Sawneeks v Leo had been a whole thing. We seem dangerously over-exposed on this Leo vote. :(
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I don't think it's that bad. Me and Chugg had a bit of a falling out in the game thread, so we shouldn't be linked that easily.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Yeah, the Leo vote should be okay.

We also got confirmation of ATP being a cop of some sort. Guessing there were switcher shenanigans last night to get me the green.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
this is a glorious mess.

also malus good call on having your power being in the thread. people seem to be buying it.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
gonna collect all the role claims but i think we have;

Faddy - Can select consecutive targets at night. When he dies he gets to pick from that group to kill one. Stops shooting when he kills town.
Alexem - some sort of connection he found to turmoil. wants to use the will to provide clues.
ATP - Cop of some sort. Green checked sneeks.
Blarg - tells faddy he will show him his ability 'tonight'
HP - Mitchell cop?
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Sawneeks said:
gonna collect all the role claims but i think we have;

Faddy - Can select consecutive targets at night. When he dies he gets to pick from that group to kill one. Stops shooting when he kills town.
Alexem - some sort of connection he found to turmoil. wants to use the will to provide clues.
ATP - Cop of some sort. Green checked sneeks.
Blarg - tells faddy he will show him his ability 'tonight'
HP - Mitchell cop?
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Adding to this, we do know that VA can move but is not a cop.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Oh wow, Turm was a scummy as hell role. Good fake claim though, god damn.

Lone_Prodigy said:
Isn't that a one time thing? Says before the end of day one.
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Oooh, hm, you're right. I misread it entirely. So we're checking for cops in a cop-filled game now. ( ._.)
malus said:
Oh man, I'm in the costume chat now.
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that chat creator is 2-for-2 on scum picks...

try and figure out who you are with.
 
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Giant Panda

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More theory crafting about VA's role: I'm working off the theory that VA got convinced ATP was town after the visit, and we know he isn't a cop. Going by LP's list of investigate roles (Cop, Tracker, Doctor, Bodyguard, Roleblocker) the best money seems to be a tracker. So hypothetically, VA tracks ATP, sees ATP visit Sawneeks, Sawneeks is still alive and doing fine in the morning, VA thinks ATP is town?

Fake edit: Actually, it looks like VA was town-reading ATP since the beginning: VA could be a doctor or bodyguard protecting their best town-read

Do we have any explanation for ATP's "more or less green check" on Sawneeks?

Maybe speculating on these things is futile with so little info in a role madness game...
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
So I have a couple ideas what we can do tonight depending on our confidence level...

We can always do some variation of this;
a. Check Alexem's Will? Give a new will to ???
b. Watch ???

but the kill/vanilla would be split between;

plan A

1. Vanilla Faddy so he cant shoot
2. Try and kill ATP (likely cop)


Plan B

1. Vanilla ATP (likely cop)
2. Kill Faddy

Plan C

1. Vanilla Faddy or ATP
2. Kill VA (doctor?)



Faddy has blarg in his sights as a target to kill and I worry he could pick one of us tonight. He could mess up and shoot Blarg first, thus ending his killstreak, or we can remove any threat he has via turning him vanilla or just outright killing him. Killing him tonight might make him shoot blarg - possible two-for-one?

ATP is confident in my green check which makes me wonder what type of cop he is and I'm a little worried that their flip could reflect the spotlight back on me if it isn't a solid ability. Turning him vanilla would neutralize this AND make it suspect that he only ever cleared me if i do die for whatever reason. Killing him also fills this role but i worry for the flip (and possible doctor protection). We could give him a will and forge it but until we know specifics about how his cop power works we may be walking into a trap.

VA is questionable because he had some heat on him and we only know he can move and is not a cop. I was hoping tonight we could check if he was a Doctor but LP's role doesn't work that way sadly. We could leave him be for now.

A wildcard could be we kill Alexem and vanilla Faddy or ATP. Alexem claimed to have some sort of ability related to info on Turm so we could remove whatever he has up his sleeve. He is also fairly townread but unlikely to have a doc on him.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Giant Panda said:
More theory crafting about VA's role: I'm working off the theory that VA got convinced ATP was town after the visit, and we know he isn't a cop. Going by LP's list of investigate roles (Cop, Tracker, Doctor, Bodyguard, Roleblocker) the best money seems to be a tracker. So hypothetically, VA tracks ATP, sees ATP visit Sawneeks, Sawneeks is still alive and doing fine in the morning, VA thinks ATP is town?

Fake edit: Actually, it looks like VA was town-reading ATP since the beginning: VA could be a doctor or bodyguard protecting their best town-read

Do we have any explanation for ATP's "more or less green check" on Sawneeks?

Maybe speculating on these things is futile with so little info in a role madness game...
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Hmmm, good point on VA but he has been town read ATP the whole game, it's why i'm thinking Doc. Or, hell, maybe Hider? it's a pseudo-cop.

We don't in regards to ATP. I noticed at the start of the day he weirdly apologized and town read me a lot but we have no hints as to what he found. Considering no one came out and said they switched me with someone else i'm at a loss.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
@Giant Panda chuggs posted it earlier but he seemed to be open about what he told ambulance in regards to his will role. When it comes to who you would give a will to I'm fine with leaving it up to you and who you would go for as Town.

Unfortunately I think this means we would need to kill ATP tonight unless you can say you didn't give one to them.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Sawneeks said:
@Giant Panda chuggs posted it earlier but he seemed to be open about what he told ambulance in regards to his will role. When it comes to who you would give a will to I'm fine with leaving it up to you and who you would go for as Town.

Unfortunately I think this means we would need to kill ATP tonight unless you can say you didn't give one to them.
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actually, no we dont if we are willing to throw a will away. you can still give one to ATP and we vanilla him. Would buy you credit if LP dies.
 
malus

malus

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I don't think Faddy would try to shoot you. If he tries to shoot me, he'll miss due to my kill immunity, but I'm not sure if it would end his killstreak.
 
Aeleus

Aeleus

Sawneeks said:
ATP is confident in my green check which makes me wonder what type of cop he is and I'm a little worried that their flip could reflect the spotlight back on me if it isn't a solid ability. Turning him vanilla would neutralize this AND make it suspect that he only ever cleared me if i do die for whatever reason. Killing him also fills this role but i worry for the flip (and possible doctor protection). We could give him a will and forge it but until we know specifics about how his cop power works we may be walking into a trap.
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Just to be clear, someone who was vanilized will show both their original role and that they became vanilla town after flipping
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
malus said:
I don't think Faddy would try to shoot you. If he tries to shoot me, he'll miss due to my kill immunity, but I'm not sure if it would end his killstreak.
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Oh right, forgot you had that.
Aeleus said:
Just to be clear, someone who was vanilized will show both their original role and that they became vanilla town after flipping
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Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

It would still give ATP a weird place having only checked and cleared me. If LP is still alive at that point then suspicion could go on him.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
And Turmoil, I 100% believe you wanted to poison Cheshire. I guess that is one way to deal with newbies...
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Could you imagine if that was turm's plan all along? some game of thrones level of scheming
 
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Giant Panda

Eats, shoots, and leaves
Yeah is the play to ignore ATP for right now? Like you said Sawneeks, he likely has protection tonight, and could easily backfire against you if killed if the cop power isn't as strong as presented. Making him vanilla doesn't eliminate the backfire angle and would prevent LP from claiming that ability as a townie. Whatever his ability and his interpretation of it is, if he is vulnerable to green-checking mafia then it doesn't seem a priority to do anything to him.

I guess his threat-level is highly dependent on just how his power works which we just don't know. Did he make an interpretation mistake, perhaps his result looked like a 90% chance of you being town and he decided to go out on a limb and pretend it's 100%, (is this a gambit), etc.

Do we want to use the cop investigate on him to confirm he is a cop?

In any case I guess I'm inclined to not trying to harm ATP tonight. We could always watch ATP to see who visits to try to find the doctor.

Killing Faddy seems like a decent option. Not sure how likely he is to get protection. If he killed another townie too that would be great, though that could backfire too if he picks a new target tonight. Right now it doesn't seem super likely he'll get voted out. Eh, killing Faddy only seems like an okay option.

My options for will seem like ATP or Alexem.
 
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Giant Panda

Eats, shoots, and leaves
That turned out to be a bit rambly. Let's try a pro/con list for kills and see if that is more helpful
  1. ATP
    1. Pros: Claimed cop, universally town-read
    2. Cons: High protection chance, could un-green-check Sawneeks, may not actually be a threat
  2. Faddy
    1. Pros: might kill another townie, get rid of tenacious solving habit, opens up landlord position for "green-checked model townie" Sawneeks? or "the scum's pawn" ATP?
    2. Cons: Slight chance of protection, small chance he shoot's one of us
  3. Alexem
    1. Pros: Mostly town-read, his hint in the will
    2. Cons: Could always just use my ability to check his will
  4. VA
    1. Pros: Possibly doctor
    2. Cons: Somewhat suspected, might actually be a non-threatening role
Any other good options?
 
malus

malus

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Giant Panda said:
Yeah is the play to ignore ATP for right now? Like you said Sawneeks, he likely has protection tonight, and could easily backfire against you if killed if the cop power isn't as strong as presented. Making him vanilla doesn't eliminate the backfire angle and would prevent LP from claiming that ability as a townie. Whatever his ability and his interpretation of it is, if he is vulnerable to green-checking mafia then it doesn't seem a priority to do anything to him.

I guess his threat-level is highly dependent on just how his power works which we just don't know. Did he make an interpretation mistake, perhaps his result looked like a 90% chance of you being town and he decided to go out on a limb and pretend it's 100%, (is this a gambit), etc.

Do we want to use the cop investigate on him to confirm he is a cop?

In any case I guess I'm inclined to not trying to harm ATP tonight. We could always watch ATP to see who visits to try to find the doctor.

Killing Faddy seems like a decent option. Not sure how likely he is to get protection. If he killed another townie too that would be great, though that could backfire too if he picks a new target tonight. Right now it doesn't seem super likely he'll get voted out. Eh, killing Faddy only seems like an okay option.

My options for will seem like ATP or Alexem.
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I don't think it would backfire if the power turns out to be not as powerful. If we vanillaize him, that at least shows that the Scum team was afraid of him, so the first test result would seem to be reliable. If we don't do anything however, that shows that we are doubting the results.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Only problem is I can see who visits someone, not who they visit. I can try watching ATP again and try and confirm who may be the doc?

Alexem it might be worth checking his will and seeing what he has said. we can always forge it the following night for funsies.

I'm also for killing faddy but im highly biased considering he's gone after me and i'm still '>:(' about it. It does open up landlord again which i hope, REALLY HOPE, goes to ATP and not me. but if it does it's not the end of the world.

i just really wanna vanilla ATP tbh. my only hesitation is if there was switcher shenanigans then the smart play is to swap ATP with someone so we could theoretically vanilla someone else. however, it's all a guess since we dont know what ATP actually got.
 
malus

malus

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Yeah, it may be a risk letting Faddy stay alive much longer. His claim could also give him some Town cred, since it's pretty much a vigilante and those are most often Town. Though his day end was quite messy, which could put some suspicion on him.
I could also get behind killing a widely Town read player like Ambulance.

I agree with vanillaizing ATP. It shows we care about his role, but it also avoids the danger of a doctor. We can also watch him at the same time to confirm a doctor/bodyguard.

I think checking Alexems will could be a good idea. From a Town perspective, since ATP is in the open a will wouldn't do him much good anyway, so not giving him one shouldn't create too much suspicion on GP.
@Giant Panda do you still have access to the lovers chat? Did Chugg claim unlimited shots?
 
malus

malus

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I got a response from my costume chat partner, so they are probably European. Not very chatty so far. Could be HPSauce I think.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Faddy is a wildcard but he's not going to get voted out. I think we should shoot him just so landlord discussion can take up a portion of the next day. Time spent not scum hunting is a net benefit for scum.

Not sure what to think about the vanilla thing. If I was town vanillizer I'd hold onto the shot and not use it so early.
 
malus

malus

#1 official chartmaker
Okay my costume partner is Stu and he also said he wouldn't go for Faddy until later in the game and if he didn't hit Scum before. So yeah, I think Faddy won't be up for elimination anytime soon.
 
Sawneeks

Sawneeks

little green dog
Hmm, interesting chat mix. Really wonder who is making those.

Watch: AllThingsPurple

My one other concern about killing faddy tonight is it pushes malus up and makes him a higher chance of being the vote target. Think we can move around it but it's still a possibility.
 
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