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LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
who dead
LaunchpadMcQ
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I'll take that bet
LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
The fact that I answered that when I did should give you a hint to who is joining us...
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Not seeing the forest for the trees. I probably could have done it better but I did mostly go in on Chuggs.
And I didn't call everyone scum. I called VA town. And there was some rambling on.
Sneeks becoming landlord. It's happening.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I (mostly) don't lie as town. I do what I say.
I did wait a decent chunk of time between saying I nominated Sawneeks for landlord and actually doing it... my towniness always get the better of me.
LaunchpadMcQ
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I wonder if anyone will call out how weird it is that Sawneeks got "green checked" and Faddy died the night after.
It's probably nothing!
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Nah, it's Blarg. He said he was going to prove it to you. He checked himself and sent you the results.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Nope. I was blocked and killed last night otherwise Sparks would be on my list and getting blasted.
Although I should have explained things a little better. I posted the Sparks thing at the last minute to stop scum blocking me if I was right. But I guess since I was already pushing big scum on Giant Panda that might also catch their attention.
Man. I have regrets. I really didn't think I would die last night.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
LMAO That was not Neeks key. Also seeing that god damn key role gave me war flashbacks
I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Actually this might end up really bad for town depending on how scum plays it.
He's slowly getting it, I believe in ATP to figure this out.
my favorite thing so far is ATP going "green check!" and all of spec going "mmmmmm nah, she's mafia." The true difference between game and spec in one moment. :D
This is where town would benefit from going over the votes from the last two flips. They can start building a pretty good picture of who's most likely town and who's probably scum now when paired with claims and known abilities.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I was like so flustered when ATP said that. I was like I talk to turmoil for a few posts and he was so town, Leo just flipped town, I know I am town. Sawneeks is never this limited and this wrong... but you can't flip a greencheck on day 2. You have to wait on Godfathers and it is just bad luck it happens. But this just feels bad.
Cut down in my prime. Where is my 3 days of being shielded like in Game of Thrones!
I don't think votes are going to help much. Like with additional info it becomes helpful but I stared hard at the votes and with the Launch Turbo and everyone appearing to be town on day 2 it just a bunch of people not voting on mafia.
Verelios
Were-elios
Except ATP didn't fully qualify his green check and gave no follow ups. He really hedged on it which from the outside (no idea how I would have reacted if I was still in the thick of it) read as really weak to me.
LaunchpadMcQ
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If only.FateShirou said:
LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
I can’t believe ATP trusted that track result on Sneeks more than a green alignment check on me in EZA.
Don't necessarily need to look at the specifics. Scum don't usually stack themselves on one wagon so you can start picking them out just by looking at the different wagon clusters once separated from the people who have claimed or have shown abilities most likely to be town.
Like, looking at D1 Fate, Sparks and Stu don't look great sitting by themselves. Fate looks even worse on D2 if you look at his vote on you opposite from Sneeks' vote on turm, both of those votes coming in earlier on in the phase and then never moving.
Go ATP go. You've got her.
It really is simply amazing.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
That key role is not scums lol. Probably going to cause the actual person to claim if he goes hard on that.
Verelios
Were-elios
lokiduck
Awww yiss mothafuckin' breadcrumbs
LOL I was right. With so many town night powers I knew there was a tracker type power in the game.
This again makes regret making the town tracker in Nier:mafia a motion detector. the power was effectively useless even if Kalor got a result on Hagi which could of proved he wasn't commuting.
This again makes regret making the town tracker in Nier:mafia a motion detector. the power was effectively useless even if Kalor got a result on Hagi which could of proved he wasn't commuting.
LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
I think ATP can figure it out even without the key thing. I just hope it's soon.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Who could have thunk.
That was a mess, we could have gotten a clean Sneeks flip on D2. I even thought ATP could be scum mates with her, but everyone was automatically convinced he wasn't and she wasn't either.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
But in the game you literally know nothing. There is no defining factor of what is a good vote and what is a bad vote. And people view votes differently. i thought the votes on Launch were good votes but other people disagreed and pushed on specific Launch voters.
Until you get actual solid information you are making guesses based on assumptions. You need to prove the assumption first.
LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
I kinda get what Maol is saying, but I also agree with you, too. From spec, we've got more of a big picture view so some of this is easier to point out. I'll say, flipping Sneeks would definitely open up the game significantly to start looking at votes - if our suspicions are correct about who the scum team is, they've made some pretty glaring errors with their votes. That stuff is just going to become more apparent with time, too.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
ATP please....
now maybe I wouldn't actually blast Sparks before they post. But to say I am Town Reading sparks! OMG. Why would I list a town read! And my reads are right there in the night phase. I talk about almost everyone!
Like it all feels so close to coming together but it just isn't :-(
now maybe I wouldn't actually blast Sparks before they post. But to say I am Town Reading sparks! OMG. Why would I list a town read! And my reads are right there in the night phase. I talk about almost everyone!
Like it all feels so close to coming together but it just isn't :-(
I think part of it is that ATP hasn't really followed up on it himself. If he were to push it then others would take notice and at least react, but he left it out there for others to do something with it. Sometimes that works but I think most of the time it doesn't because everyone else has their own reads and processes that they are going through.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think people are also nervous about looking into Sneeks for some reason? At this point, people must surely be considering it's very possible she's scum, but it's like they're afraid of bringing her up and be read as scum
LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
Hmm. Mostly, I agree, but I think looking at the votes after Launch's claim could be helpful. Those are easy votes to make, especially for scum, who care less if he's neutral and what flavor, since they just know that he's not mafia and that's all that matters. I'd separate out those votes and look at overall play with them.
To Maol: I actually think solo wagons when there's a neutral on the line are whatever. Not something I think I'd bother with here. Only reason I'd think about those if if the voted flipped scum - I'd wonder if the voter was trying to distance by hanging onto a nonviable vote.
LaunchpadMcQ
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AllThingsPurple said:
Maybe, but looking at the other votes on Launch D1 I don't see anyone who I think is scum if Sneeks and Chuggs/GP are scum too.
Faddy is correct that if I were in the game I wouldn't know for sure if my reads were correct at this point, but I tend to trust that I'm right when I scum read people and would be working off the assumption that those two are scum and would be looking at how they've played, where they voted and who they've interacted with in continuing to narrow my possible pool. The challenge, as always, would be convincing other people that I'm right.
Also, poor town. They're unwilling to kill Sparks because if he's scum, they wouldn't get much info, but they're completely off the track when it comes to GP and Sneeks. It's gonna be hard to hit scum reliably if it's between Stu, Ephi, LP, VA and Fate.
Is Ambulance about to fling himself down some stairs?
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
A couple of points on this both related to Vincent
This is where his starting point was on the Launch voters
Well 2 of his 5 scum have flipped town. If he continued down the path of assuming a voter on Launch is scum as the primary issue then he goes after Blarg, Ephidel and Ambulance.
Now maybe there is a change of heart in some reads after the flip but it is in no way obvious where the mafia is on the Launch vote. And people are going to point out to VA that he is the scum on the vote.
The other thing is the talk about the information you get from flipping someone. VA doubted that there was Value in a Sawneeks flip. People should stop caring about value after day 1. And Sawneeks had many posts and reads too. It is day 3, there is always value in getting scum. there are always posts.
This is where his starting point was on the Launch voters
Well 2 of his 5 scum have flipped town. If he continued down the path of assuming a voter on Launch is scum as the primary issue then he goes after Blarg, Ephidel and Ambulance.
Now maybe there is a change of heart in some reads after the flip but it is in no way obvious where the mafia is on the Launch vote. And people are going to point out to VA that he is the scum on the vote.
The other thing is the talk about the information you get from flipping someone. VA doubted that there was Value in a Sawneeks flip. People should stop caring about value after day 1. And Sawneeks had many posts and reads too. It is day 3, there is always value in getting scum. there are always posts.
OH MAN. This is the kinda post you look at later and think “I wish I’d listened my gut that wouldn’t let me be confident on them.”
lololololol
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
It would have been at the end of yesterday after ATP claimed alignment cop... i didn't think I could get more tilted. AHHHHHHH!
He could only use it in the first 24 hours of a day
Chuggernaut
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Don’t think he was there during the day end
Chuggernaut
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Oh that too
Yep which makes sense why he kept saying if you have anything to declare to declare it early.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ok. OK. I missed that stipulation. UNTILT
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
For Ambulance
If it helps, betraying you hurt me too :(
3 out of 5 now. If I'm VA, I'm rethinking my town reads now. Honestly though, there's nothing wrong with making unproven assumptions and using them to shape where you put your focus as an individual town player. If VA were to start pressuring his scum reads, seeing what happens and adjusting after those players claim, use their abilities or even just get frustrated, that's fine. As it is, he's not voting anywhere rn, which is frustrating from a solving perspective lol.
Trust your reads and use your votes and time to pressure people who are question marks. The game will naturally reveal what alignment players in your pool are and inform you if you're on the right track or completely off the mark. There is a bit of skill in recognizing you're wrong quickly, but it gets easier the more you do it and become more aware of the things that point to a person being town or scum.
It was hilarious how quickly you guessed it was him
Let me guess: Ambulance radiated sweetness and light and Chuggs cackled evilly.
A Wild Shark Appears
Our resident acupuncturist
My life is a lie
A Wild Shark Appears
Our resident acupuncturist
You just come sit with me and we will give that one person real big stank eye.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Let me guess: Ambulance radiated sweetness and light and Chuggs cackled evilly.
Within like an hour of the chat being open I just posted “I’m pretty sure this is Ambulance” or something like that to scum chat.
Well, we are just going to sit over here and form the club for
people who have been brutally betrayed by a friend
A Wild Shark Appears
Our resident acupuncturist
And this is the THIRD time I've misread someone's alignment when I was in a chat with them. So many eggs all on my face furgurhgijgprjsfpijzg.
Damnit I need to do some logic puzzles or something before I play another game.
Damnit I need to do some logic puzzles or something before I play another game.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
It happens to the best of us :( I think you did good still. One of these days you’ll end up pocketing someone hard and the circle will be complete. Also I don’t know if you’re counting Neeks from One Piece, but I would give yourself a pass on her if you are. Not worth beating yourself up over a neutral who was playing pro-town. Not worth beating yourself up in general, but especially not over that.
A Wild Shark Appears
Our resident acupuncturist
Don’t worry I’m not being 100% serious. I just find it a little funny.
I'll bring the chocolate.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Monkey don’t you sit here and pretend you aren’t in the betrayer club too!
LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
Welcome, Ambulance!
Good use of your role. Town is going to need as much time as they can get to get on the right track.
Good use of your role. Town is going to need as much time as they can get to get on the right track.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Some thoughts on the Ambulance role.
I wasn’t really sweating much about it as scum to be honest. If we didn’t get a better target, we were probably going to use the vanilla thing on him instead, and he was probably going to need to be night killed anyway, so even if we didn’t vanilla him it was just a matter of when Ambulance decided he was going to die. Granted, we didn’t realize it stopped us from modifying stuff either, so that is more limiting than I thought.
Weirdly enough, I think it would have been more useful to town if Ambulance was less good at this game and wasn’t so god damn townie.
Ambulances one weakness: He’s just too good.
Weirdly enough, I think it would have been more useful to town if Ambulance was less good at this game and wasn’t so god damn townie.
Ambulances one weakness: He’s just too good.
Disagree. A town Zeke could be exactly what the town needs. A scum Zeke (I don't think Stu was scum but could be wrong), however, is one of the last things the town needs.
I'm hoping for a grade-A Zeke tunnel on Sneeks.
You just like it because he has Sneeks at the bottom. Which, yes, she should be at the bottom.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Yeah i think now is the time for the role. town really needs to get something right so getting 2 chances is going to be a big help.
Ambulance you played a townie game and used your power wisely.
I believe in Zeke. Actually a perfect replacement for Stu. I was hoping town Stu was going to awaken today but Zeke can bring the same energy. Town need someone bold enough to break all these town reads on sneeks and panda. they need to get one of them soon.
You're not wrong :D
Sneeks is close to open wolfing now. Talking about maybe moving to PoE rather than relying on scum lists, but telling Fate he shouldn't claim is contradictory.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Hmm I am actually thinking Stu/Zeke is scum right now. I'll have to see what Zeke does to be sure, but rereading Stu makes him look iffier than all the other players (other than the semi-confirmed scum).
I've also updated my Blarg meta read, but I've learned my lesson and won't be putting that out into the world. I just want to say it's been updated.
I've also updated my Blarg meta read, but I've learned my lesson and won't be putting that out into the world. I just want to say it's been updated.
LaunchpadMcQ
...can I smell you?
Be the strong voice! Come on, ATP, spec is rooting for you!AllThingsPurple said:
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Be the strong voice! Come on, ATP, spec is rooting for you!
つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Take my energy ATP ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
I feel like she is just slowly digging the knife in and ATP feels it but doesn't know what's poking him yet.
Verelios
Were-elios
Being town leader as town is a stressful and thankless job that has both town and scum constantly mad and trying to kill you. That's why I always give mad props to whoever steps up to the plate, and now I'm rooting for ATP.Be the strong voice! Come on, ATP, spec is rooting for you!
Wonder if Sparks is the sacrificial lamb to boost the image of the rest of the scum team.
every time lol
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