Mason Thread MGS Mafia |Masons| Just Monkeyin' Around

[Natiko]

Welcome to MGS Mafia! All the rules of the main thread still apply here.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Heya Neki!

 

[Neki]

Hey, the last time I played a MGS was 4. Maybe I should play 5 now.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

The last and only one I played was the spinoff lol

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

You ever played mafia or any social deduction game before?

 

[Neki]

I haven't played a traditional forum mafia game for a couple of years now, but I've played things like the Resistance and Among Us so I have a general idea.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Cool. I’ve only played a couple of games myself.

So from what I’ve researched about Masons is that in a normal game that’d mean that we’re both town, but considering that this is a bastard game I’m not going assume that is the case.

 

[Neki]

Do you have any other special abilities? Is that something we can disclose to each other lol.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

We are allowed to reveal our roles. I do have an ability but I don’t want to disclose it just yet. I just played a game where revealing my ability too early came back to bite me.

 

[Neki]

That's fair, you sound more useful than I do then. The thread is quite a ruckus, lots of yelling and shit-posting lol.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

It can be a little overwhelming lol. Day 1 always has a lot of shit-posts in the beginning as everyone settles in. In my early games getting started was a struggle.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Things do (sort of) calm down as the game goes on.

 

[Neki]

Just very hectic with the amount of people. Hard to parse with the amount of people who looks town and who looks scum.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Yeah getting scum on Day 1 most of the time is a crapshoot, doubly so with this many people in the game. One thing I've found that's helped me is to break the game into chunks and examine those instead of keeping track of the whole game.

 

[Neki]

Do you have any good feelings about anyone? The only one who seems fine to me is Dr Monkey.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I also feel good about Monkey (though she did mentor me so I'm a little biased). I like from what I've seen from Maol. He seems like he's trying to move the game forward. I normally would say that Chuggs seems like town!Chuggs, but we just had a game where he pocketed me super hard so I don't trust my read of him.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

How ya feeling about the game so far? This one is sort of throwing me for a loop. We skipped right past the shit post phase straight into the meat and potatoes.

 

[Neki]

for day 1, I feel like it'd be pretty dumb to try to vote anyone who has active engagement with the thread. I'd be more suspect of people who are laying low despite all the discussion, so I do see why people want to vote sparks because losing him wouldn't be bad unless he claims a power role.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I also think it's a bad idea to get rid of the active players on Day 1. You do have to watch out though. In the last game I played two of the most active players turned out to be scum. Sparks's playstyle can be confusing. I always end up having a big ol' null read on him.

 

[Neki]

Like I said, day 1 I think it's a bit of a stretch. I wouldn't give them a free past Day 1 though, because if the active players are on the right track, they'd probably get killed off. If someone like monkey or stan or nin are still alive on day 3 or day 4, I'd be worried though because the mafia wouild want to target people getting close to figuring them out. That's how the meta is in mafia I've played, the stronger players who are on the right track get killed off relatively early, so if strong players are still alive after a very long time, it seems more likely they are either getting protected by power roles or they are scum.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Yup, though it can be tricky figuring out which one of those two is happening.

I find Zeke's vote for Maolfunction very weird. It just feels so retaliatory. I don't know if I'd say it's necessarily a scummy thing to do, but I am keeping my eye on him.

 

[Neki]

I mean zeke and sparky are just being weird day 1 to me lol. Just lots of shit posting.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I get the sense that Sparks perceives mafia in a similar way as if I were to perceive reality if I micro dosed LSD every day.

He's on a different plane.

This post by Maol sums up sparky pretty well. I feel like Zeke on the other hand is one you need to watch.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Lol that post

 

[Neki]

Not sure who to vote still, town seems pretty indecisive on this.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Right now I'd be ok with Ty or Kenny being voted out. Just not seeing much of substance from those two.

 

[Neki]

I'm inclined to agree but I still do feel bad voting someone out on day 1. I know it's an optimal town play especially with this many players, but still feels bad lol.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

It does suck. I don't like pushing people for the same reason.

 

[Neki]

Feign claiming some wacky role and making some outlandish claims, not sure if he is bluffing or actually real.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

That seems like a lot of heat to put on yourself for a gambit. If he did that his first game of scum here I’d be seriously impressed.

 

[Neki]

I'm just not sure what is to be gained from revealing your power role on day 1. Does he want a doctor to protect him or someone to investigate him to solidify the claim? Not sure what the end game is

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Maybe he’s trying to bait out a scum kill? I like the attitude of his posts though. This is from the gut but he feels town to me.

 

[Neki]

Thoughts on him being a solo? Serial killer makes sense given his flavour text and his posts, but why would he reveal that on D1 of all times?

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

That's tripping me up too. That'd be a crazy gambit and he already had a lot of town cred from his first post so why mess that all up? There's some real WIFOM there. If he does flip neutral that makes me wonder about Chuggs. I feel like he's really pushing for that kill and I can see a scum!Chuggs killing a neutral for town cred.

 

[Neki]

I mean it's for me because we either vote off Feign or we vote off someone like ty4on/sparks because I really don't trust them.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Nothing Ty has said has made me want to remove my vote off of him. The case against Feign has more to do with mechanics than his gameplay imo. I don't trust how Ty is playing.

 

[Neki]

I'm comfortable with the vote too, I'll put mine on him. I just hope he isn't a power town role then.

 

[Neki]

People starting to sus you, I'm guessing you're laying low since you have a power role along with mason. Be careful out there.

 

[Neki]

Before I forget, do we have a plan if one of us dies? Like a straight claim since mafia claiming mason seems very bad.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I’m just gonna be honest with ya. I don’t have a power role at all. I’m a sleepwalker I visit random people at night and that’s literally it. This game is just a struggle with me I’m honestly considering replacing out.

 

[Neki]

Rip, why you feeling down though

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Sorry, when I feel like I’m doing a bad job I tend to spiral. I’m going to take a break today and see if that’ll help.

 

[Neki]

Take all the time you need, I don't think you're doing a bad job, I think this day 1 is very hectic and I'd be surprised if our town vote flipped properly lol

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I feel a lot better and mentally refreshed after taking a break. Losing two town on day 1 is not great, and I'll probably be in some hot water tomorrow after my vote for Ty lol. I'm going to review Day 1 and see if I can come up with any leads.

 

[Neki]

I think it's fine. Ty kinda just gave up and didn't even try to bother claiming or anything. If he claimed any power role I would have considered changing my vote but he just gave up. If you're town and you get sus'd and you just give up, all of town loses.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Anything jumping out at you? Going through this day and it just feels like so much WIFOM.

 

[Neki]

I mean given that Ty was town, we should look at the people who voted him right? Would mafia be more likely to jump on that vote or do you think all town voted him off?

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I can see some mafia being on the Ty wagon, but there were also a lot of little wagons so it wouldn't surprise me if there was scum scattered around those ones.

 

[Neki]

How you feeling about Chugg and Monkey after the whole ordeal? I really didn't like jman role checking feign but I still think he's town so I'm not worried about him yet

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Monkey feels super duper town to me. I want to say this is town!Chuggs but we just came off a game not too long ago where he had me completely fooled so part of me is still keeping an eye on him.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Yeah the thing about jman is that he will do some crazy ass things. I've recalled people saying that he's more cautious as scum and every game I've seen him as town involves him pulling a lot of gambits.

 

[Neki]

I want to bring it up again, if one of us dies, should the other claim mason? How likely do you think one of the mafia claims mason if no one challenges him?

 

[Neki]

It'd be especially helpful for you since people are very skeptical of you right now lol

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

If one of us dies I’d think that’d be an ok time to role claim.

 

[Neki]

I'm fine with chugg/monkey for the time being, but we'll see how the death count looks after the night phase ends. Monkey constantly switching votes seems like a more town thing to do, since mafia wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves. I just hope ezekel/sparks stop shit posting on day 2 or I'll actually want to vote them off.

What do you think of mao?

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I think Mao like Monkey is an extremely strong player. I don’t know how accurately I can read him, but I feel like he’s trying to move town forward. I find the cases that people brought against Mao a little weird. Using too much meta is just such a weak reason and Zeke’s case seems so retaliatory.

 

[Neki]

yeah I don't know, the mao and ezkiel train just kinda manifested out of nowhere so that's why I was real hesitant to vote on them. Hopefully it'll be much easier once D2 starts since more people have died and we'll see who is still left. The really quiet people are hard to gauge too so I really hope they aren't mafia since I have no idea what you can do against someone wh odoesn't talk lol

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Whoa I'm glad Ael didn't use that on me because I'm the Ape Escape Monkey lol

 

[Neki]

We're both monkeys so I'm glad she didn't use it on me either

 

[Neki]

I am worried there may be more than one monkey catcher though, so it's probably better we do not disclose our real role names

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I feel like the game would be strangely balanced if there’s a bunch of Monkey Catchers but I guess we’ll see.

 

[Neki]

how do you balance a game with 27 people in the first place lol

 

[Neki]

I'm surprised there was only one kill though, given there is probably a bunch of neutrals and I would think mafia would have at least 2 kills.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I was suprised too. I think it's good fortune that we've flushed out so many killing roles early though. Also if we look at jman's role then we're probably dealing with a neutral/scum bomber.

 

[Neki]

People keep going on chuggs/monkey but I don't see it. I wonder if I'm just blind or bias but I don't see what's so scummy about them.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I semi agree with you there. Something does feel fishy about those ATP/Chuggs interactions though.

I'm going to look into Faddy. I don't like that jump from Maol to Zeke and am not a fan of his arguments for either.

 

[Neki]

I mean ATP is going in hard on Chuggs, do you think they're on the same team?

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

I’m kind of leaning with Maol right now, but I do think Chugg’s fluctuating mood is strange.

 

[Neki]

I mean I'm just confused because it seems like we're voting Chuggs because Chuggs went hard on Feign/Ty who ended up being town. It could be scum, it could an be honest mistake. If Chuggs flips town, what are we gonna do? lol

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

We'd have to look at who was and wasn't pushing for him and the vote distribution.

 

[Neki]

Everyone seems on board with it despite everyone wanting to go for Ty/Zeke yesterday, makes no sense to be. If chugg flips mafia then I'm gonna feel like an idiot though lol

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Don't think that! Chuggs is a very good player and he's definitely fooled me before.

 

[A Wild Shark Appears]

Sorry Neki, I’ve asked to be replaced.

 

[Neki]

No need to apologize, I'll always look back fondly on our time together. We'll always have our day 1 memories.

But seriously, you're good, do what's best for you.

 

[Verelios]

They took me in ambulance and I came back Vere well.

 

[Neki]

Very punny

 

[Verelios]

Very punny

Glad to be masons together \o

 

[Neki]

When you're done catching up Verelios, let's bounce some info off of each other. I'm learning scum on at least 2/4 out of Mao, Faddy, Chuggs and Zeke

 

[Neki]

The way Mao and Fandy are arguing makes me want to think they aren't on the same team and one of them is probably scum.

 

[Verelios]

When you're done catching up Verelios, let's bounce some info off of each other. I'm learning scum on at least 2/4 out of Mao, Faddy, Chuggs and Zeke

I think there's some chance of scum appearing in Maol/Faddy/Chuggs. I contemplated for a moment how likely it would be for Monkey and Chuggs to be scum partners based on her will they won't they post End of D1. What are your current thoughts on those 5 as someone who's been with them?

 

[Neki]

Chuggs: I felt good about Chuggs Day 1 leading the vote on Ty and prodding Feign but after the flip and subsequent argument with Monkey, I'm really skeptical now. People say that Chuggs is acting like a scum who gave up but we used that same argument on Ty and he flipped town. It is worrying that Chuggs would up and leave after the first sign of being sniffed out. Either way, Chuggs failing to responding just either means we've lost a townie who lost the will go to on or a scum who got figured out so at this point there's not much we can do unless Chuggs does something. I really want to hear more of Chugg's side but it looks doubtful. So I'm leaning scum without a defense. If monkey throws Chuggs under the bus this early when Chuggs only had a little suscipion, that would be a big brain play and that's hard to guess lol

Faddy/Mao: Are having a scuffle with each other which feels genuine, if they were both scum I don't see why they would be so theatrical about their argument. It's also possible both people are town but I'm hesitant. Everyone keeps going after Mao and no one is really backing him up so I'm really more interesting in Faddy especially based on what I read from Ambulance earlier.

Monkey: Put in a lot of effort to out Chuggs which I think its a really un-needed thing to do as a scum. The only way I could see Monkey being scum is he wanted to divert attention of someone else on Day 1 who we would most likely go after next, which leads to either Zeke or Mao. It's a very crazy gambit to go all in on a possible townie (if Monkey is scum) and I guess the pay off is if monkey is right (and Chuggs is scum) we'd have a hard time distrusting monkey from that point on. I'd be skeptical if monkey never dies after Chuggs flips though since Monkey has shown how strong a town player they are.

Zeke/Sparks: Both wildcards, Zeke is definitely talking more but he seems to be somewhat deflecting. Sparks is just weird. lol

 

[Neki]

This is also discounting the fact that Monkey could be neutral which I did not think of lol

 

[Verelios]

I think neutral monkey still tries to be helpful to town, so long as she isn't a serial killer. As of now, I town read her.

 

[Verelios]

I think you're right on Chuggs. It appears to be a foregone conclusion if he doesn't return and I can't think of him saying anything that would make town relent besides 'I...AM THE DOCTOR'.

 

[Neki]

I mean if he had a good power role now why wouldn't he reveal? That's what I don't get about Ty too, if you reveal your power role and maybe get the votes off of you, the worst case scenario is scum kills you next night, best case scenario is you live an extra night. Better to be killed by scum than voted off. Maybe I just haven't been in the situation but I'd try anything as town to not get voted off.

 

[Verelios]

I mean if he had a good power role now why wouldn't he reveal? That's what I don't get about Ty too, if you reveal your power role and maybe get the votes off of you, the worst case scenario is scum kills you next night, best case scenario is you live an extra night. Better to be killed by scum than voted off. Maybe I just haven't been in the situation but I'd try anything as town to not get voted off.

Exactly, town should go down fighting. But I think they may have been daunted by facing Monkey.

 

[Neki]

You / Ambulance are drawing some heat but as long as we both don't die on the same night you'll be able to confirm yourself as Town which is good. You think a scum/neutral would ever claim mason if one of us died?

 

[Verelios]

You / Ambulance are drawing some heat but as long as we both don't die on the same night you'll be able to confirm yourself as Town which is good. You think a scum/neutral would ever claim mason if one of us died?

Yeah, they might. But (I think it was maol) someone already started putting us together, haha, so it would be hard to fake. In conclusion, they can try to CC us which won't work unless there are multiple masons in play.

 

[Neki]

I was gonna ask why you voted Ynnek over Chuggs but now this all seems moot. I did like the people voting for Ynnek more than the people voting for Chugs though.

 

[Verelios]

I was gonna ask why you voted Ynnek over Chuggs but now this all seems moot. I did like the people voting for Ynnek more than the people voting for Chugs though.

Voting Chuggs seemed like a bus attempt from Ynnek, so if they were partners I was more sure of Ynnek being scum.

What do you think of the multiple scum teams claim?

As of now, my thoughts of who's scum is kind of:
Ynnek
Fate
Maybe ATP

 

[Verelios]

Jman died too!? And it seems like there really might be bombs. This makes me feel better about HP.

 

[Neki]

I mean there is also FOXDIE which is scary

You win when you control a majority of the vote, when all non-Patriots have a bomb planted, OR when all non-Patriots are infected by FOXDIE.

That 2nd win condition sounds scary.

 

[Verelios]

I mean there is also FOXDIE which is scary

You win when you control a majority of the vote, when all non-Patriots have a bomb planted, OR when all non-Patriots are infected by FOXDIE.

That 2nd win condition sounds scary.

Right? Geez, so we have bombs, poison and subterfuge which is just great.

I seem to be getting some heat so if I'm a wagon tomorrow it's alright not to stop it. We should only claim masons before I'm lunched or if we think we need to consolidate because:

1). Me dying gives you a semi-green check which is very useful for town.
2). After I die you'll become scum target #1, and without Jman I don't think you'll survive even if there is a doctor because of the bomb situation.

 

[Neki]

yeah I'm fine with a late claim to move a wagon off of you. Hopefully the heat on you will prevent you from getting targeted at night. Two scum teams makes this even more complicated. Monkey could definitely be a part of the other scum team and we wouldn't even know now.

 

[Verelios]

So, can you catch me up with what threads/directions you think Ambulance was moving in, and if they were useful?

 

[Neki]

Do you believe Chugg's role claim on Mao? I wonder why he thought Mao was a cop and knew he checked him. If it's true I think that reinforces for me even more Fandy is possibly scum. Do you think anyone was hard defending Chuggs? In hindsight it would seem dumb because monkey hard sussed him hours into Day 2 and his partners probably had to let him die.

The only direction I saw him go with his claim was towards Faddy which I can kind of see, Mao and Faddy have a back and forth going right now and Mao sounds genuinely annoyed at the interactions (makes him seem more townie to me). If we believe Chuggs and Mao is a cop, then it's more likely for me that Faddy is scum. I don't know how much we can trust Chuggs on that though.

 

[Neki]

Also ATP going hard on chugg could easily mean he is on the other scum team too, having two scum teams really mucks up the water for who is actually townie.

 

[Verelios]

Do you believe Chugg's role claim on Mao? I wonder why he thought Mao was a cop and knew he checked him. If it's true I think that reinforces for me even more Fandy is possibly scum. Do you think anyone was hard defending Chuggs? In hindsight it would seem dumb because monkey hard sussed him hours into Day 2 and his partners probably had to let him die.

The only direction I saw him go with his claim was towards Faddy which I can kind of see, Mao and Faddy have a back and forth going right now and Mao sounds genuinely annoyed at the interactions (makes him seem more townie to me). If we believe Chuggs and Mao is a cop, then it's more likely for me that Faddy is scum. I don't know how much we can trust Chuggs on that though.

Hm...it might be true since Chuggs is a watcher. Remember that he didn't have a factional kill in his role flip, so it's also possible he said that to paint a target on maol so the 'other' scum team ir faction can NK them, protecting Chugg's partners in the process.

If there was anyone defending Chuggs today then I would say Fate deserves a second look. He subtly shaded everyone who was pushing Chuggs today, especially Monkey.

 

[Verelios]

Also ATP going hard on chugg could easily mean he is on the other scum team too, having two scum teams really mucks up the water for who is actually townie.

Yep, that's a good point. Is there anyone ATP has conspicuously avoided mentioning in thread?

 

[Neki]

The way ATP is acting is he's trying to come off as "town" while deflecting claims from Chuggs. Like "oh maybe Chuggs would lie about two mafia teams" because if he was on the other mafia team, of course he would deny this.

He also tried throwing the idea of a "power trio" for monkey, mao and chuggs so I don't think he is allied with 2 other, he is just trying to make this idea stick to throw shade on monkey and mao. And he quickly backs off when no one else likes it but there is a high possibility if people jumped on it he would have kept going.

This is my tell in Among Us but I'd have to look at ATP's posts but he is constantly posting "I'm confused" as a way to come off as a confused townie. I do it all the time in Among Us to eat up time and to divert attention to topics that have been already discussed so I don't know if it's a tell of his, I'd have to look at mafia games where he is scum but it's a very scum thing to do.

For me right now:

ATP
Sparks
Faddy (?)

might be one scum team

Kalor
Kenny
Zeke
Chuggs?

It's speculative but I think Chuggs may have recommended voting for them because once he flips scum, it wouldn't make any sense for him to rat out his team mates so there'd be no way Kalor/Kenny are "bad guys"

It's tough to say but I think ATP is the one that sticks out for the most for me.