Scum Thread Casterly Rock

[Ynnek7]

I'm still drawing a blank on who to roleblock, too. With zipped flipping as vanilla, though, that does help verify that jman/Fran do have a role. So yeah, if we don't try to kill him Fran might be a good pick.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I hate to do it to him, I think he’s had a long streak of being killed early, but I want to kill Fran lol

 

[Hedin]

Hedin, a technical query; can I perform both my own Power and also do the Mafia kill in 1 Night? The Role PM seems to say yes but just want to confirm

Yes, it's worded "in addition to" so any of you can use your ability and perform the kill.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

well, that's an interesting development

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

So then my suggestion is:

Blarg
Kill: Blarg
Switch: Blarg/Fran

The rest of us sit out the night. I'm going to go reread the thread and see if I can spot any breadcrumbs.

 

[Blargonaut]

engaging commands

HALO KILLER: Blargonaut
(this means KILL: Blargonaut)

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT I'M TOO GOOD: Blargonaut with Fran
(SWITCH: Blargonaut with Fran)

 

[Blargonaut]

I have a bad feeling I should be Nexus'ing Tonight but it's fine

 

[Blargonaut]

wait what am I saying, I am

 

[Blargonaut]

couldn't see myself from behind this hardcover

 

[Blargonaut]

I hope we're actually allowed to do this action priority-wise by the way

 

[Blargonaut]

Yes, it's worded "in addition to" so any of you can use your ability and perform the kill.

ah okay perfect combo

 

[Blargonaut]

I'm still drawing a blank on who to roleblock, too. With zipped flipping as vanilla, though, that does help verify that jman/Fran do have a role. So yeah, if we don't try to kill him Fran might be a good pick.

whoa put that thing down or you might roleblock somebody

 

[Hedin]

engaging commands

HALO KILLER: Blargonaut
(this means KILL: Blargonaut)

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT I'M TOO GOOD: Blargonaut with Fran
(SWITCH: Blargonaut with Fran)

Commands Received

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I hope we're actually allowed to do this action priority-wise by the way

The action priority makes sense, but I am also extremely anxious about it

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Hoping this one doesn’t go down as the one where the scum team had Blarg murder himself

 

[Ynnek7]

They said this'll be one to remember, lol.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

 

[Blargonaut]

 

[Blargonaut]

oops I forgot to go Role-fishing Yesterday

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

fuck, we’ve been had

 

[Blargonaut]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Blargonaut]

“It seems as if we heroes never get a break,” said Fran

 

[Blargonaut]

what

 

[Ynnek7]

Huh.

 

[Ynnek7]

Damn, can't even give the customary "Great job hitting scum, whoever did that!"

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Switch, redirect, or nexus. I would rule out switcher based on Zeke flipping as a town switcher and Blarg already being one. And if it comes down to redirect or nexus, I think that points to Fran not being town. He might be the one supplying the extra deaths, too. No way to tell what happened there for sure, but I am extremely wary.

Killing VA N1 - if it was Jman, he's been town with VA before and thought he had a read there. If Zeke was the target of the second night kill and not the switch/redirect/nexus, Fran was town reading him, too. Just speculating at this point, but Fran might be hunting town? Lots of unknowns, too many assumptions, getting worried. Going to channel that into the thread.

At least we lucked out with a town flip on Zeke.

 

[Ynnek7]

Yeah, with Zeke's flip showing as town, town might slip up a bit more easily thinking things are worse than they are.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Second scum team feeling like a possibility here

 

[Ynnek7]

So if I make it through today, do you think the plan is to try for Fran again and role block him at the same time?

 

[Blargonaut]

So it was supposed to be Fran dying, but instead Zeke and ATP die... and Zeke's flip gets altered to Town + not his real Role

 

[Blargonaut]

I aimed the kill at myself... and swapped myself with Fran... but the kill went to either Zeke or ATP...

 

[Blargonaut]

What if Zeke really was a Town Switcher and was a spy amongst us

 

[Blargonaut]

bound by conditions? not to expose us. That's a bit wild though

 

[Blargonaut]

ATP's Vanilla so he wasn't Hiding behind Zeke...

 

[Blargonaut]

Somebody explicitly targeted Zeke to force that altered flip, I guess?

So I'm thinking it was our kill that got curved to ATP, and somebody else just magicked Zeke with clear line-of-sight

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

So if I make it through today, do you think the plan is to try for Fran again and role block him at the same time?

This might be the way to handle him, yeah.

Although, now I'm wondering if the switch also got redirected? this is just too weird lol

Somebody explicitly targeted Zeke to force that altered flip, I guess?

So I'm thinking it was our kill that got curved to ATP, and somebody else just magicked Zeke with clear line-of-sight

Check note #4 in Hedin's first post in this thread for why Zeke flipped as town.

 

[Blargonaut]

How dare you embarrass me like this my career is over

 

[Blargonaut]

so, uh

Don't blow up Hedin because I already cleared it up with him via PM and it was CONFIRMED by him as a "typo" okay, but

You all introduced yourselves in your Role PM as "Villains of the Fiction Section"

but my Role PM says I'm part of the "Villains of the Non-Fiction Section"

again Hedin confirmed it's a "typo", so we're still good

We're still a team

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Geno’s role actually lends itself to the idea of there being two scum teams, too. Aside from making it easier for him to win, there could be a scenario where 1+ of the either scum team players flips as town under Hedin's special rule, but Geno has exited the game from meeting his wincon. Geno flips, then everyone is like "wait huh one of these role flips was tailored!" then start analyzing the flips.

so, uh

Don't blow up Hedin because I already cleared it up with him via PM and it was CONFIRMED by him as a "typo" okay, but

You all introduced yourselves in your Role PM as "Villains of the Fiction Section"

but my Role PM says I'm part of the "Villains of the Non-Fiction Section"

again Hedin confirmed it's a "typo", so we're still good

We're still a team

oh fuck lol

 

[Blargonaut]

just thought I should point it out to "my team"

Nothing changes really

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

well, I'm not saying you're not on our team, but that may well be the name of the other team lol

 

[Blargonaut]

 

[Blargonaut]

bruh I just thought of a plan

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I feel so bad for Geno lmao had that whole 5D chess gambit because he thought his wincon was impossible, when it was probably way easier than he thought

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

bruh I just thought of a plan

hit me

 

[Blargonaut]

I'm going to spam the word(s) "NON-FICTION SECTION" in the game-thread, with no context whatsoever

The other team (if there is one) might be understandably freaked out yes that someone knows their team's name, yeah?

So they might immediately try to kill me or use their Powers against me later Tonight yes

Then I Nexus Tonight and things happen hopefully in our favour

 

[Blargonaut]

I haven't thought the rest of it through

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'm not sure how I feel about forcing the other team's hand until we've got a better grasp of the situation. I don't know which of ATP or Zeke they targeted, but regardless of which of the two they targeted, they're going after town, too. If Fran is out of the running because he's on the other team, then next up on the list of town reads might be me, and in that case we may need your healing tonight instead of the nexus.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

We may need to

*gulp*

actually solve

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

So far, going by Zeke's flip, we don't seem to have hit the other scum team. I'm not sure if they could flip vanilla, but it stands to reason they wouldn't. Sawneeks maybe could've been on the other team, but it's hard to say. I have the ninja shots, so it makes sense for town to actually have that role, but both teams might be getting fed bullshit

 

[Blargonaut]

hmm

What if Sawneeks was part of the 2nd team and Hedin had her flip as a "Town" 3-shot Tracker

also note the Town's Win condition: win when all threats are eliminated

KILL ALL MAFIA (both teams)

not a majority win

 

[Blargonaut]

LOL WAIT DON'T LISTEN TO ME WHAT AM I SAYING MAJORITY WINS ARE FOR MAFIA

FOCUS BLARG FOCUS

 

[Blargonaut]

If there is a 2nd team, I'm thinking nin's part of it because he said RIP Sawneeks post #384 but that's if you believe Sneeks was Mafia secretly

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Sawneeks, definitely maybe could be.

I think Fran is definitely on that team though. Just too much of a coincidence, he probably nexus'd if that team had already figured out there was a second team. The Fate vote felt like it had nothing behind it, so it reads like he was setting up a bus as a "scum wouldn't have tried to vote out their teammate unless the train was getting steam!" in case one of them flipped scum later in the game.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Fran, Fate, Leo - I see connections between those three

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

ahhhhh it feels great to channel all that anxiety about losing zeke into trying to solve.

The more I think about the second scum team, the more I waffle on the idea. Non-Fiction could’ve been a legitimate typo. For Geno’s win condition, it could’ve counted any neutral as scum (of which we know there’s at least one more). I was a little worried at first because of what happened in HvV3 with the second scum team overpowering us, but it might actually just be a serial killer

But that won’t stop me from posting a bunch of bullshit in the game thread!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Stu has confirmed at least one scum has died on a previous night. The way he said “waaaaay better position” makes me think it was earlier than Zeke or that he’s confirmed more than one. I think it was Sawneeks. We’re back to two scum teams theory baybeeee

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

idk maybe stu did actually just get the info for Zeke. not knowing what’s going on sucks

 

[Blargonaut]

Non-Fiction could’ve been a legitimate typo

no you can't convince me we don't have a secret weapon

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

wait

would zeke have shown up as scum to stu if he's a godfather?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

we're going to have to hope for the best, plan for the worst tonight. Hopefully Fran is just a serial killer, but plan that he's not the only killing role in play.

Blarg should heal me and kill Fran. Kenny should block Fran. That will cover us if there is a whole other scum team in play and the kill was not originating from Fran and Fran was doing something else for them (maybe also a JOAT if it was a nexus last night?).

I don't think there are any investigative roles left in play other than Stu's, which seems to be posthumous. There's no way anyone is going to target Blarg or Kenny for a night kill when they're such question marks. Night kill from the other party will be between Stu and I, depending on where their priorities are.

I'll be checking the threads, but probably mostly in and out for the rest of the day phase.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Maybe blocking Fran is overkill if we heal me tonight. Hmm.

 

[Ynnek7]

Maybe Stu is on the other scum team and knows about the flip manipulation that way?

 

[Ynnek7]

I do agree that the way he said "waaaay better" feels like it implies more than just one scum down, lol.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Maybe Stu is on the other scum team and knows about the flip manipulation that way?

Definitely a possibility

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Maybe blocking Fran is overkill if we heal me tonight. Hmm.

It's not overkill. Fran used a nexus or someone used a nexus on Fran. If Fran is a JOAT like Blarg, he might have a heal, too, and might use that tonight on himself. We need to pull out all the stops to get him.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I need to see Fran's flip, but I think Hawthorn might be aother scum. She's really turned this around today, though. Kudos to her.

 

[Ynnek7]

Her day end is feeling a bit weird to me right now, so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

That's exactly it.

But that's ok, we'll wage our silent war against them lol

 

[Blargonaut]

Should we make Stu Tonight?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Should we make Stu Tonight?

Nah, I don’t think what he’s got is going to mess us up. I reread Zeke’s PM and I think Zeke might’ve shown up as town on Stu’s check. Regardless, stopping the other kill before they get another one of us should be the priority

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

bruh the doctor???

 

[Ynnek7]

I'm good with either kill. Still not enough info to know exactly what Stu's thinking.

My only hope with blocking Fran is that it's able to counteract what ever happened last night.

And I was gonna say that I hope no one protects him, but it looks like that may have been taken care of, lol. Though I'm not sure how confident I am of that flip. Was rac willing to go down today without a fight because he spent two nights saving the wrong targets?

 

[Ynnek7]

Trying to work out if it makes any sense that there might have been a third kill, and rac simply healed Fran? Sounds like too many, though.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I personally don’t think Stu is going to have anything useful or he’s on the other scum team and we’ll be able to call him out.

Trying to work out if it makes any sense that there might have been a third kill, and rac simply healed Fran? Sounds like too many, though.

Feels like too many, yeah

 

[Blargonaut]

cool I can fake-claim as a Graverobber who stole rac's Heal after hammering him

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

That’s a good fake claim lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

If you want to do a mock-up fake role PM, I think it helps to poke holes in. For example, it could have a caveat about if you hammered a vanilla, it wouldn’t give you that ability. Double check to make sure you didn’t hammer anyone else, either

 

[Blargonaut]

If there is a 2nd scum team it stands to reason that if they also had a starting condition stating that if one of them died there's a random chance to flip as Town, they'd be told that in the opening post of their scum chat

What kind of Town player, would know that "scum has a random chance to flip as Town"??

 

[Blargonaut]

Unless the flip-editing is a result of stu existing? It's his Role? Area-of-effect that ends as soon as he dies and the real Role PMs are revealed?

 

[Blargonaut]

At its most basic form, stu suggests he knows "these flips are not what they seem"

 

[Blargonaut]

Or maybe he knows exactly how many scum are alive at any given time, and his counter went down by 1 or 2 the past few Days, so that's how he knows some of the dead so far are scum not Town?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I was thinking it was more straight forward like “at the start of the day, you’ll be notified if scum has died in the last day/night phase” or something

 

[Ynnek7]

He didn't really react to the deaths on Day 2, and all he said about the deaths on Day 3 was

"Huh, unexpected deaths. Big blow to us as well :/"

Might have been keeping quiet on Day 2 if he was aware of something, but I wonder if there's something more to the "unexpected deaths".

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

That’s a good point, kenny. Points to him overselling the info he has or maybe is just lying. His “wanting to confirm something” angle also makes it seem like he doesn’t have anything solid yet

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Blarg: Kill: Fran; Heal: Launchpad
Kenny: Block: Fran

I think that's the way to go. We need to deal with... whatever Fran is. I'm high on the priority list for a kill for him or his team tonight, and we need to block him from doing anything that would stop us from killing him. We've done good saving up shots, but I think it's time to use them.

I just don't see Stu as a threat right now at all. I don't think he could possibly having anything that incriminates any of us still alive if all the info he has is about flips. If he's even telling the truth, there's a good chance that 1) if he can examine flips, that Zeke's will show up as town because Zeke's role PM reads "will show up as vanilla town in any checks against you", and 2) if Zeke shows up as scum and Stu gets his hands on that info, it wouldn't be easy to link him to us. We've also got a long line of very easy misvotes we can push right now. I think we're in a pretty good spot, even if there's a second scum team, which is still pretty up in the air.

 

[Ynnek7]

Yeah, I'm good with that plan.

Block: Fran

I'll check again before actions lock to see if anything comes up.

Since I'm already visiting Fran, should I make the kill, too? I forget if Blarg killing Fran is needed for this to work.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, I'm good with that plan.

Block: Fran

I'll check again before actions lock to see if anything comes up.

Since I'm already visiting Fran, should I make the kill, too? I forget if Blarg killing Fran is needed for this to work.

Good point, it could be you as well

 

[Hedin]

Block: Fran

Command Received

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Good point, it could be you as well

Or rather, it *should* be you, Kenny

 

[Ynnek7]

Sounds good.
Kill: Fran

 

[Hedin]

Kill: Fran

Command Received

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

@Blargonaut please heal me before I get killed thx

 

[Blargonaut]

IGHLIGHT]A WIZARD ARRIVES PRECISELY WHEN HE MEANS TO: LaunchpadMcQ[/HIGHLIGHT]
(HEAL: LaunchpadMcQ)

 

[Blargonaut]

...

HEAL: LaunchpadMcQ

 

[Hedin]

...

HEAL: LaunchpadMcQ

Command Received

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

what the hell is going on

 

[Ynnek7]

Fran's invincible!

 

[Ynnek7]

And somehow Stu saw your role, not the godfather.

Could nin and stu be on the same team, and the other scum team has the same roles as us?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I think Stu is telling the truth? The other scum team has the same roles as us - Fran is the JOAT on their team. He must've nexus'd N2 and switched himself N3.