Russian Doll |Spec Chat|

[Zippedpinhead]

Yeah, I was going to claim neutral, own up to the passive hammer, but warn town it would make it harder to get cult without me.

Solid play, likely would have worked.

who put in the hit on me? Just curious. Did my crumbing finally come back to haunt me?

 

[Verelios]

I think we talked about it but didn’t decide to implement a ban on it. Could be wrong though

Yeah, that's what I remember. Felt like we talked about it but didn't come to a conclusion.

 

[anexanhume]

Solid play, likely would have worked.

who put in the hit on me? Just curious. Did my crumbing finally come back to haunt me?

Wasn’t me or Chuggs.

We did agree we were aiming for cult though. That’s why I talked about you being cult in main thread.

 

[anexanhume]

Just caught up on the thread. Cult has won and town hasn’t acknowledged it yet. For now, their goals are aligned with scum but they’re set on eliminating scum.

 

[Donnie]

Agreed, scum or let's use another day phase checking each other and giving cult another chance to recruit/reload scum's gun. This was not the game to try and make town core happen lol

 

[Verelios]

Agreed, scum or let's use another day phase checking each other and giving cult another chance to recruit/reload scum's gun. This was not the game to try and make town core happen lol

Lol, this was the game to make town core happen but we should have known not to place people in the core on technicalities. Unfortunately we can see how that worked out.

 

[Donnie]

Lol, this was the game to make town core happen but we should have known not to place people in the core on technicalities. Unfortunately we can see how that worked out.

Haha yes this was a very twisty game. I did my best to make your death mean something Vere!

Spoiler: Alignment spoilers

Anex - scum
Sneeks - scum
Ael - cult

You were dialled in lol no wonder you ate the first kill

 

[anexanhume]

Lol, this was the game to make town core happen but we should have known not to place people in the core on technicalities. Unfortunately we can see how that worked out.

Disagree there. You’re making a draft list for the cult. Cult leader had to be salivating on that Zeke vote with BP.

 

[Verelios]

Disagree there. You’re making a draft list for the cult. Cult leader had to be salivating on that Zeke vote with BP.

I ain't putting Zeke in the town core when we voted him out <.< Just my paranoia speaking

 

[anexanhume]

I ain't putting Zeke in the town core when we voted him out <.< Just my paranoia speaking

Someone early on had mentioned how the vote but stay mechanic essentially drafted a town core and at least some seemed to agree with that. Add on top of that that re-voting for anyone feels like a wasted vote, and you can be pretty sure that person is safe from future votes.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I think Cult still has a lot of work cut out for them. This is not a cut and dry cult win.

 

[Donnie]

Looks like Sneeks got hammered!

 

[Chuggernaut]

I think Cult still has a lot of work cut out for them. This is not a cut and dry cult win.

more like cult and dry am i right

anyway let's go cult

 

[Sawneeks]

And hammered while I slept. Womp womp.

Should've openwolfed and shot wizard

 

[Verelios]

Smug melon is an interesting play today. Well deserved...

 

[Sawneeks]

To answer Saw’s question - the game was winnable for mafia in a world where town doesn’t learn there’s a cult (consistently the strongest faction to put in a game) and then opt to primarily ignore it in hopes of killing mafia. A cult recruit is a two person swing (one leaves town, one joins the cult) while a mafia kill is a one person swing. It is factually the wrong play to target mafia first over cult and it may very well cost town the game lol

I kinda disagree on that. With the amount of town clears going on there was never a chance we were ever going to come out of this alive. Cult would vote as a block to protect their own, Fran played his gossip well and soft cleared some people this stopping those votes, and whatever melon/lp has going on stopped either of them from being killed. Since town never fully die or even lose their power, we essentially had to fight a day one strength town for the entire game. Since cult would grow over time and process of elimination would have held firm, we had zero chance of victory.

Solid play, likely would have worked.

who put in the hit on me? Just curious. Did my crumbing finally come back to haunt me?

That was me lol, sorry. Really wanted to know this cult stuff and figured a cult reveal would've helped keep anex and myself alive. .

 

[lokiduck]

Lol can LP save town by convince them to focus on cult instead of him. We shall see



edit: wait am I wrong about LP?!

 

[Sawneeks]

Also sorry for scum reading you, wizard! you put up a good case against me at the end there and coming into today before the turbo I just kind of planned to ignore it, because everything you said was true.

 

[Donnie]

And hammered while I slept. Womp womp.

Should've openwolfed and shot wizard

Good game Sneeks, fun playing another nightless together :p I tried so hard to trust you this time haha

 

[Natiko]

I kinda disagree on that. With the amount of town clears going on there was never a chance we were ever going to come out of this alive. Cult would vote as a block to protect their own, Fran played his gossip well and soft cleared some people this stopping those votes, and whatever melon/lp has going on stopped either of them from being killed. Since town never fully die or even lose their power, we essentially had to fight a day one strength town for the entire game. Since cult would grow over time and process of elimination would have held firm, we had zero chance of victory.

That was me lol, sorry. Really wanted to know this cult stuff and figured a cult reveal would've helped keep anex and myself alive. .

What does town clear even mean in the context of a cult game? Lol. Some of your concerns are founded on it being a normal cult as well which it is not. What got all three of you voted out wasn’t POE or Town PRs so I don’t think it’s particularly fair to try and say because of those two factors you were never going to win. Especially when I’m pretty sure we’re going to see them vote for some of the supposed town clears in very short order.

 

[Donnie]

For anyone interested in what my role PM originally said until night 3 lol

Welcome Donniewahlberg,

You are Rabbi the Forgetful Townie.

You are aligned with the Town.

You feel like there's something important you're forgetting, but you just can't quite remember what. You have the ability to vote.

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.

 

[Sawneeks]

Good game Sneeks, fun playing another nightless together :p I tried so hard to trust you this time haha

<3

What does town clear even mean in the context of a cult game? Lol. Some of your concerns are founded on it being a normal cult as well which it is not. What got all three of you voted out wasn’t POE or Town PRs so I don’t think it’s particularly fair to try and say because of those two factors you were never going to win. Especially when I’m pretty sure we’re going to see them vote for some of the supposed town clears in very short order.

Town clear = 'you're not scum/mafia'. It's easier/less punishing for a townie/cultist to say "i wont vote X because of reasons" than it is for a mafia player to do so, hence why the voting blocks are a problem. Same with increased town green checks as the game goes on.

A cult is bad and needs to be handled but Town had no reason to go after them first when Scum have the kill and are the clearer threat. An abnormal cult in this game is a problem behind the scenes but in the thread? Town don't know that and have no way of knowing it. Even with a cult member flipped they don't know the wincon or what they need to stop/be afraid of whereas Scum is a clear problem to handle.

like even if wizard got voted out first here i was next up on the chopping block lol. there was no way out.

 

[Natiko]

<3

Town clear = 'you're not scum/mafia'. It's easier/less punishing for a townie/cultist to say "i wont vote X because of reasons" than it is for a mafia player to do so, hence why the voting blocks are a problem. Same with increased town green checks as the game goes on.

A cult is bad and needs to be handled but Town had no reason to go after them first when Scum have the kill and are the clearer threat. An abnormal cult in this game is a problem behind the scenes but in the thread? Town don't know that and have no way of knowing it. Even with a cult member flipped they don't know the wincon or what they need to stop/be afraid of whereas Scum is a clear problem to handle.

like even if wizard got voted out first here i was next up on the chopping block lol. there was no way out.

But that’s just factually the wrong move. A cult that can win alongside town is an outlier compared to the normal, and the town wincon is eliminate all threats. Case in point, it’s possible (though I wouldn’t say probable) the game could just straight up end before another vote even goes through. That’s why you don’t ignore a cult, and why they most definitely shouldn’t be pushed off for later lol I’m also not sure how it’s easier for a cultist to say “I won’t vote X because of reasons” than a mafia member? Cult don’t have any immunity to being voted out.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

and things JUST GOT MORE INTERESTING over in cult chat.

 

[Sawneeks]

But that’s just factually the wrong move. A cult that can win alongside town is an outlier compared to the normal, and the town wincon is eliminate all threats. Case in point, it’s possible (though I wouldn’t say probable) the game could just straight up end before another vote even goes through. That’s why you don’t ignore a cult, and why they most definitely shouldn’t be pushed off for later lol I’m also not sure how it’s easier for a cultist to say “I won’t vote X because of reasons” than a mafia member? Cult don’t have any immunity to being voted out.

But being an outlier in a bastard/role madness game? :p

Again, Town have no reason to feel threatened by the cult when they haven't been able to kill and eliminate town players whereas scum have shown that ability. Town also don't know the game could just end tomorrow which is also an outlier/abnormal mechanic. I 100% agree cults need to be handled but in a game where town being voted out doesn't kill them but scum does? AND we have no reason to believe the cult has some abnormal mechanic to them? I'd be more concerned about scum. Would that lose the game? Totally, but there has been no evidence given to town to suggest otherwise.

 

[Sawneeks]

that said i am totally team cult now and i hope they win.

teach town a lesson!!

 

[Natiko]

I just don’t think I’ve ever seen many games where “ignore the cult” is a good tactic lol You never see cults eliminate town, but boy they sure do stomp often

 

[lokiduck]

I just don’t think I’ve ever seen many games where “ignore the cult” is a good tactic lol You never see cults eliminate town, but boy they sure do stomp often

Hell even when the cult is secretly just a town neighborhood, it can fuck over things and plans.

It sure did for scum in automata lol

 

[Verelios]

Cult is just swaggering around at this point

 

[Donnie]

Cult is just swaggering around at this point

Lmao right? Yo everyone hang out while we just scrum over here in cult...uh I mean gossip chat.

 

[Natiko]

And the trap they set was successfully sprung. The game is effectively at the point if they misvote it’s GG.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

By golly it worked!

 

[Zippedpinhead]

And all because of my donut!

 

[Zippedpinhead]

And all because of my donut!

Well. The recruits are putting in some deep-cult work.

I just did the exact right thing at the right time

 

[Chuggernaut]

this is about to be the most well deserved L that I've seen in a game of mafia

 

[anexanhume]

Wondering if scum was upset I was bp and they didnt have a strong kill.

No, we’re upset town never took cult seriously and it let you railroad every vote. Wouldn’t be surprised if double vote giver is cult and using Zeke as a cudgel at this point (assuming he isn’t cult now).

 

[anexanhume]

And all because of my donut!

Fruit vendor was kinda my thing and you took it from me.

 

[Sawneeks]

No, we’re upset town never took cult seriously and it let you railroad every vote. Wouldn’t be surprised if double vote giver is cult and using Zeke as a cudgel at this point (assuming he isn’t cult now).

justice for chuggs and donnie. those trains were garbo

 

[Natiko]

Yeah, I am sorry to mafia - don’t get me wrong I’m not saying this game was impeccably balanced - I said at the jump I wasn’t sure. I just think there were paths to victory if town doesn’t throw so hard, but alas… town gonna town.

 

[Verelios]

justice for chuggs and donnie. those trains were garbo

Donnie yes, Chuggs though <.<

When LP jumped in Chuggs was got.

 

[Chuggernaut]

Donnie yes, Chuggs though <.<

When LP jumped in Chuggs was got.

i don't even know him

 

[Chuggernaut]

anyway i stand by that it was a garbage vote lol

zIpPEd iS tOwN

 

[Zippedpinhead]

anyway i stand by that it was a garbage vote lol

zIpPEd iS tOwN

I WAS town when that all came up…

 

[Chuggernaut]

I WAS town when that all came up…

oh really lmao? assumed you were the OG cult lol

 

[Zippedpinhead]

oh really lmao? assumed you were the OG cult lol

Yep I am not the OG cult

 

[Sawneeks]

Yep I am not the OG cult

....

if the person who i'm thinking of is the OG cult then yooooo, that day 1 play was incredible.

 

[Donnie]

Poor Wizard is trying so hard right now, and you can feel cult just sitting back and waiting lol the silence is deafening from some players compared to pre-cultification

 

[Verelios]

Poor Wizard is trying so hard right now, and you can feel cult just sitting back and waiting lol the silence is deafening from some players compared to pre-cultification

I'm sitting here looking at Nin and all I can think of is 'word? We're not even faking anymore?'

 

[Zippedpinhead]

....

if the person who i'm thinking of is the OG cult then yooooo, that day 1 play was incredible.

Who are you thinking of? I’m curious!

 

[lokiduck]

Yeah, I am sorry to mafia - don’t get me wrong I’m not saying this game was impeccably balanced - I said at the jump I wasn’t sure. I just think there were paths to victory if town doesn’t throw so hard, but alas… town gonna town.

LOL we all thought as much in review. Cults always making things weird XD

I remember when cult was way more broken before Fanto stepped in tho lol.

Fuck if cult had been a proper cult in Automata Town would have also lost. XD

 

[Donnie]

Who are you thinking of? I’m curious!

I hope it was Ael, it'll make me feel better about my day 1 reservations/day 2 vote lol

Spoiler

I'm aware of who's in the cult but not who started or the order you all joined lol

 

[Natiko]

I can’t end it yet, but it’s basically GG for cult minus a HUGE flub lol I hope people had fun. Sorry to mafia, it felt like you had a good time and then suddenly had a miserable then and I feel really bad. Maybe I reach too high when designing.

 

[Verelios]

I can’t end it yet, but it’s basically GG for cult minus a HUGE flub lol I hope people had fun. Sorry to mafia, it felt like you had a good time and then suddenly had a miserable then and I feel really bad. Maybe I reach too high when designing.

I personally had a lot of fun rubbernecking from spec. Of course I'd probably be more on edge if I was in when cult was revealed, haha.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Super fun mechanics wise, truly! I enjoyed playing even before I joined cult.

 

[Chuggernaut]

I can’t end it yet, but it’s basically GG for cult minus a HUGE flub lol I hope people had fun. Sorry to mafia, it felt like you had a good time and then suddenly had a miserable then and I feel really bad. Maybe I reach too high when designing.

Yeah I know I mentioned that I felt there had to be more to the game because as it stood it felt like us just fighting against getting inevitably PoE fucked while we struggle to do anything against the numbers and then the cult got revealed and it still felt like we were fighting against getting inevitably PoE fucked while we struggled to do anything against the numbers. is what it is though. can't really do much if town decides to throw

 

[Sawneeks]

Who are you thinking of? I’m curious!

Ael! It would make that weird D1 shift of votes make so much more sense if cult recruits by people visiting eachother. Ael acting 'weird' and vote shifting last minute to bait PRs is just beautiful.

I can’t end it yet, but it’s basically GG for cult minus a HUGE flub lol I hope people had fun. Sorry to mafia, it felt like you had a good time and then suddenly had a miserable then and I feel really bad. Maybe I reach too high when designing.

Nah, it's cool, you can't predict everything. I had fun for what it's worth despite trying to climb up a cliff lol.

 

[Natiko]

Lmao at these goobers fucking up the votes

 

[Hedin]

Hell even when the cult is secretly just a town neighborhood, it can fuck over things and plans.

It sure did for scum in automata lol

Not just scum!

 

[Aeleus]

Ael! It would make that weird D1 shift of votes make so much more sense if cult recruits by people visiting eachother. Ael acting 'weird' and vote shifting last minute to bait PRs is just beautiful.

I tried so hard to stand out but only Zipped visited me without being tricked into it

 

[Aeleus]

Thanks natiko for the game, was a lot of fun even if alot of it was spent vibing while hoping I'd get lucky, I definitely wouldn't have won if zipped had visited me 10 minutes later lol.

Fran was definitely the MVP, such a brilliant puppet master.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Zeke can eat it. He's wrong and I'm livid I cant rail on him in the thread right now. At least I dont have to listen anymore to the "everything who votes me is a lazy idiot" schtick of his.

@Nat Please confirm to me what the negative consequences to voting out town are, if there are any, in spoiler tags if necessary, while I reevaluate whether coming back to playing Mafia after a year was a good idea when all I get is talking to a human brick wall for it. And being called defensive yet again, only this time in my most relaxed early game yet, because I posted a lot trying to solve on D2 or something.

At least Spiderman was pretty good today.

I mean "over defensiveness" is what got my lynched and is also a trash reason to vote someone since it's subjective.

justice for chuggs and donnie. those trains were garbo

Chuggs train was legit though lol. There was no "vendetta" or w/e you guys want to say about me goin at chuggs. If that's the case I wouldve went towards fran the start of day 2.
Donnie train needed to happen, after he claimed the cult stuff. Legit believed he was scum but on the chance he was town he could "clear" the claim of cult being turned by being lynched.

 

[Donnie]

I dont really mind being voted if I'm being scum read, personally it was being worn down with why are you afraid, vote yourself vote yourself etc, in the face of another team player outting themselves beside us. "No, don't vote, let Donnie do it" looked like an ego trip and we lost, so the strat didn't work anyway. I've played three games so still pretty green but that run of posts was the first time I've expressly felt bad. Hopefully we work together better next time Zeke

 

[Natiko]

Yeah, not allowing self votes is one thing I would change in hindsight.

 

[Donnie]

Yeah, not allowing self votes is one thing I would change in hindsight.

In fairness, it was hard to predict town team would necessarily go that way, logically it makes no sense to burn day phases allowing the other two teams more shots on victory so there's no reason for town to pad the votes out voting themselves to confirm or discuss doing that. The design reached for sun and I loved that. The moment I got that pm was incredible lol

 

[Donnie]

If Muffin hadn't died, getting the Miller role half way through the game is such an evil spot to be put in lmao

 

[Natiko]

If Muffin hadn't died, getting the Miller role half way through the game is such an evil spot to be put in lmao

The darkest timeline is you get scanned D2 and Muffin reveals you returned as Cult. That would’ve been so fucked lol

 

[anexanhume]

When was Fran converted? I was going to kill Fran the day I got voted in case Neeks didn’t show up before I got turbo’ed, but I was driving when the day started.

 

[Natiko]

When was Fran converted? I was going to kill Fran the day I got voted in case Neeks didn’t show up before I got turbo’ed, but I was driving when the day started.

I think both Zipped and Fran converted D3 I think? Or 4. One of those.

 

[Hedin]

Yeah, not allowing self votes is one thing I would change in hindsight.

You all mentioned during the game it was talked about in a review thread before but I think it might be worth revisiting in the off season thread.

 

[Natiko]

You all mentioned during the game it was talked about in a review thread before but I think it might be worth revisiting in the off season thread.

I mentioned it to the group as a possible topic for review thread.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I tried so hard to stand out but only Zipped visited me without being tricked into it

I told you that you needed a donut! And I didn’t want to fail in that endeavor!