Neighbor Thread The Junior Woodchuck Super Secret Base

AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

Not sure what i make of bojack's claim. I don't really think he was under enough pressure to claim out of fear or anything so the timing feels more townie than scum to me. But investigating Ty is an odd choice to me given he was a counter wagon and you had kyan and anex defending scums fake claim.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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If Kyan is scum, Bojack may be worth a lynch.
There was no real reason to claim, especially since Kyan was guaranteed to be lynched.
Could be 2 scummates running a plan.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Gonna wait til Kyan posts but im goin all in on Bojack after Kyan posts


BoJack Horseman said:
Right, here's my general categorisation of people:

Very likely town
Fate
Sneeks
Random
HP

Probably town
ATP
Wizard

Light town read
Ty
malus
EC
jman

null/where I think scum is
Kyan
nin
anex
VA
Z-Beat
Zipped
Zeke
WSD
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How is ty only a light town read if you got a green check on him N1?

Then there is other stuff, like why didnt he investigate SP night 1? That is who he was on majority of the day phase.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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BoJack Horseman said:
Ty - while his flip-flopping could be scum, it's messy. I think the more likely scenario is flustered town

Here's how I see it. I don't think scum necessarily expected Zook's claim to go so badly. D1 claims usually slip by on account of it being D1. So I don't think they were prepared for such a pushback. If they're a quieter team like I said, they wouldn't know how to react and would default to staying quiet, otherwise they might get scum read. It's why I've given Ty a bit of a pass - that's the kind of behaviour they would want to avoid.
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This doesnt read like someone who I have a greencheck on.

Both of the Bojack quotes are from day 2 btw
 
AllThingsPurple

AllThingsPurple

Hp's claim:


I'm Roxanne Featherly the reporter duck. As long as I'm still alive there will be an extra message at day start that pertains to something that happened in the previous night phase. So that's the Genghis Khan bit and the stuff related to Gladstone presumably. So they're directly related to something that actually happened on those night phases rather than just generic flavour stuff.
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EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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AllThingsPurple said:
Outside of kyan who do you think are the remaining scum?
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Either one of Kyan/Bojack has to be scum, chance both are. Bojack's insistence that Kyan has to be town because of flavor looks scummy.

Maybe Neeks - Her claiming just to help Bojack was very weird imo. Also all this fence straddling on the Kyan/Bojack thing. Like I said Keeping Kyan around only keeps up noise.

After that........idk. Im notgood at reading quiet players. EC is another one that only contributes to flavor discussions, which is nothing. Mal/LP are w/e. Ninbama is present and not solving.

Im an unlimited shot neighborizer. I couldve cleared 3 ppl (You/Wiz/Donnie). There may be more ppl I could clear as well. I dont think we have 2 cop shots on top of that.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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I love being in this state. Scum wont kill me because I'm a good mislynch. Town wont lynch me because I'm been a lil bit townie.
We in like the perfect position ATP

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EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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I doubt Nin is teamed with zipped/zook, with his voting. But we already know the scum team lacks communication, so that could explain it.
That leaves him as Town - meh he shouldve stuck with his vote on Kyan instead of you.
2nd scum team/SK- same as above.

Im leaning scum though. You go goin to these ppl the exact night they died?
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Not sorry about the turbo. (does hammering 10minutes before eod even count as a turbo?)
W/e Fate wanted to do, shouldve been trying that the 48 hours we already had.
Day already went long enough and ppl were just lettin it sit idle for a while.

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Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
Kinda glad for the turbo honestly.
Trying to work out a way to say "We're one off hammer, what's the point, that extension will extend the pain for the rest of you more than it will help me" that didn't sound like an excuse was making me twitch.

This game has gone through so many replacements
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EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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As far as claims go Bojack has a nice post here(post #2665) listing claims with posts.
I'm Huey, unlimited shot neighborizer. I can recruit junior woodchucks into chat.
*I'm assuming all vanillas are woodchucks, all flipped vanillas so far have mentioned woodchucks in their pms.

2 flipped Vanillas so far. Louie and Doofus.

Kyan claimed 1 shot tracker/1 shot cop
Bojack claimed 1 shot tracker/1 shot cop/1 shot protection

Since I am unlimited shot and theoretically couldve cleared 3 townies (You, Donnie(Louie), and Wizard(Doofus)), I think one or both of Kyan/Bojack may be lying about their abilities.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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2mrw i think im goin to claim, especially if we lose 2 ppl again tonight. Hopefully both are someone I scumread anyway. Will probably claim 3 shot on the off chance someone claims vanilla and I can still check them.

May check LP or Malus tonight. That's one reason I wanted the Kyan lynch, because if Kyan is town I could trust the check and check someone else.
May check hawthorne.........
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
EzekelRAGE said:
As far as claims go Bojack has a nice post here(post #2665) listing claims with posts.
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Cheers.
I've been skimming so I have some idea, I just now need to... reorient myself a little.
I thought your name phishing was incredibly scummy, when evidently it was just machine hunt v2 but with woodchucks. Obviously I shall now purge myself of this opinion before I make my way into the thread tomorrow.

In way of claims EC also said actions would have failed against him on N2 in post 2405, and if the mystery item person exists and targeted Sneeks N1 and VA N2 then it should be down to his role rather than that, I assume.
That in addition to implying he was one of the people mentioned in the featherly segment so that might narrow his flavour down on its own but that's a bit... imagine me making a bit of a grimace about it as I think it's just Gladstone/Scrooge N1 and Scrooge again N2 if I recall correctly,

EzekelRAGE said:
if Kyan is town I could trust the check
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If Kyan is town, trusting the check as it stands also assumes scum didn't have a redirect they could use to chuck Kyan at someone specific. Risking him green checking someone they wanted to push would have been preferable to risking him red checking them after all.

On the if Kyan is town note, depending on if you want to risk using your power that way, Webby has been shown as a woodchuck.
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(Thanks reddit)
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
Skimming back I now see the discussion between you and him where he says Woodchucks aren't something his PM mentions though, so could be iffy.


Also just making note for myself here because then I can find it easily for that read through I obviously need to be doing about now, don't mind me.

Anex --> LP
Jman --> Hawthorn
ATP --> me
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Ephidel said:
I thought your name phishing was incredibly scummy, when evidently it was just machine hunt v2 but with woodchucks. Obviously I shall now purge myself of this opinion before I make my way into the thread tomorrow.
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:laughing:

Forgot to mention I checked WSD last night, he didnt join so that's why I assume it has to be vanillas as well.
Also Kyan said his PM didnt mention woodchucks.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Also the thing with Neeks. If you have a watcher shot...........why not use it N1 on your most townread person?
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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You should be safe tonight. Small chance I get killed........maybe.

Neeks should be the kill tonight. Both killers should be gunning for her since she is the only that could mess up their plans. I kill Neeks over VA anyday.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
EzekelRAGE said:
You should be safe tonight. Small chance I get killed........maybe.

Neeks should be the kill tonight. Both killers should be gunning for her since she is the only that could mess up their plans. I kill Neeks over VA anyday.
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I'm vanilla and ATP claimed that so yeah, there should be minimal interest in me, and additionally I'm poorly positioned to defend anything anyone wants to read into what ATP did or indeed my own lack of doing anything at EOD except saying Hi, so I imagine I'll live.

Setting aside the people stuff which is kinda important admittedly and the potential lack of honesty (ditto) the most dangerous claimed folks should look like Sneeks (don't know how many shots she has, and considering this is JOATs the game, of what) and BoJack (claimed to have another ability remaining), Kyan's remaining shots aren't important because it's an odd night and he's probably in contention again tomorrow.

Then between Sneeks and the unclaimed (Hawthorn/LP/Malus/Random/Ty/You) there's Darkwing and an item distributor in there somewhere. Unknown + widely townread could make any of those (Random, Ty, perhaps you?) look like nice targets I guess.

I had a brief skim over the earlyish posts of the unclaimed, I can't see anything that looks breadcrummy except maybe that junior post you already pulled out from anex (and maybe LP's entrance breadcrumb gif with the ordinary ducks in it, lol) but I'm terrible at spotting stuff like that anyway.

But playing what if with this was me being lazy and taking a break from thinking about people stuff like I should be and I know it ^^.
Once day starts I'll be expected to have opinions and thoughts on who looks scummy and who looks towny and people will expect me to justify things so I need to go and make myself at least partially able to do that, so see you later
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EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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In case im dead:
Do not reveal who I targeted unless LP has claimed first. Just tell the thread I didnt mention who I targeted. That way if LP is scum and he lies about being a vanilla. You can potentially catch him in a lie. Especially if he claims his pm mentions woodchucks like other vanillas.

Why I chose LP. = Junior breadcrum from Anex and then you pointing out the duck pic.

Also remember you can't copy and paste anything from me from this chat. So paraphrase.
Go after Bojack/Kyan - My role is basically an unlimited shot clock check
EC's defense of Nin was weird - iirc he voted Bojack because he could be a thief and there is no reason to visit a confirmed town. If Bojack is telling the truth, doc protecting confirmed townie makes sense.

Look into Neeks.

Everyone who didnt want to resolve the Bojack/Kyan thing should be looked at. This only creates noise for town, not resolving it only helps scum.
The Nin push helped with the above agenda.
Malus coming out with a vote for ATP was scummy.


EzekelRAGE said:
Better to get it over with now so we can digest it. Random will probably be voting you too. If you arent scum, they will be voting you too to keep the Kyan/Bojack thing goin another day.
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Called it as soon as it happened

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EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Honestly..................i dont think I should claim until everyone else claims. My claim can affect scum's claims. They may shy away from claiming vanilla if they know a vanilla checker is in the game. BUT, if I get them to claim before I do, they may claim vanilla and not worry about it.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
I do think there's a chance there's someone dodgy eligible for a neighbourhood invite (there are a couple of dodgy woodchucks on that list you linked before) so you might not be a "full" substitute cop, but that definitely seems like more of an "eh, later" worry.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Ephidel said:
I do think there's a chance there's someone dodgy eligible for a neighbourhood invite (there are a couple of dodgy woodchucks on that list you linked before) so you might not be a "full" substitute cop, but that definitely seems like more of an "eh, later" worry.
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Yea it's possible it would probably have to be you if Kyan is indeed cop. It it is you gg i guess.

Im not turning on one of my woodchucks.
Woodchucks 4 life

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L

Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
With Kyan flipping cop and track, maybe we have too much investigation? If you consider watching and tracking as a form of investigation, we have:

EC self watching every other night
ZBeat loud track
Sneeks loud watch
Bojack track and cop
Hawthorn item giving a track
Zeke as a vanilla cop

Yes these are mostly one shot and the item is 50/50, but that still seems like a lot.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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At least 2 scum left working together.

Wouldnt mind a Bojack flip, since I said I think one or the other is scum.

What are the chances scum pulled a no kill for the doc claim?

What does it say that scum let Kayn get his cop check off? If you believe mal he has a rb, so if he was scum does he risk Kyan catching a scum mate?
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
They knew he had a cop shot, all they had to do was redirect him at someone town.
Anyone town.

Then it didn't even matter who he checked. A random towny being given a clear is the worst outcome and one of them being cleared is the best. Both are fine.
Either way they're safe from a red check.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
(okay that's not true, the worst case would be him checking them and them having directed him at a neutral, or themselves being seen meddling with him or tracked to him in JOATS:THEGAME, but allow me a little facetiousness please)
(which, btw, is why I'd I were a Watcher I'd have been watching the cop instead of the innocent child)
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
I can see a world where scum!bo decides to tie himself to kyaan's claim to shore up his own, and I'd be lying if the name thing didn't bother me a little, but the comments other people had about his play looking fine with regards to his reactions to zook/kyan had me nodding along, his results as presented seem to fit with things observed, and he generally feels like he's trying to pull people together to me.

My gut still says it's Sneeks we need to be looking at (and that I currently plan to be looking at after work).
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Ephidel said:
(which, btw, is why I'd I were a Watcher I'd have been watching the cop instead of the innocent child)
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That is a very good point.
Kyan the cop claimed day 2 with no cc at the time.
VA is basically Vanilla, nothing matters if it happens to him.
Why did the watcher go on VA instead of the Cop. Keep in mind that there were 2 kills the night before.
Same also applies to Bojack protecting VA over Kyan.

ATP also brought up Neek's zipped/lp question wizard that was a red flag from his pov.

Ephi you may want to write a summary of any case you plan to push 2mrw, in case you are the kill
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Unless..........you the mole
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Kill should probably be...............................Hawthorn or Mal.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Day 3 after Wiz/Zbeat death
Sawneeks said:
Also I'm with Bojack being pushed. I'm really weirded out by Ty too since this is now the second time he was early on scum and then just bounced off later lol
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BoJack Horseman said:
I'm the (or maybe a) town JOAT. I have/had three 1-shot powers. There were no odd or even night restrictions. The reasons I feel okay claiming now is I've used two of them. Most of my usefulness is done, and I think the value of telling you everything outweighs the chance I might get lucky with my last power.

When I saw Zook's claim, it immediately struck me as BS. In my mind, what were the chances of there being two JOATs? And then Kyan came and we went through it all again. I was this close to claiming yesterday, but I wanted to wait one more night to at least use a second power.

With Kyan, my initial reaction is that it was just a worse version of my role. One less power and restricted to certain nights. But there's one thing that makes me not 100% scum read them:
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BoJack Horseman said:
So I investigated Ty N1. Thought he had a shaky EOD and wanted to clear that slot. Came back town.
N2 I protected VA. No idea who would be targeted so went with the safe option.
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Sawneeks said:
For what it's worth I can confirm Bojack visited VA last night. Unless VA got something weird like poison I don't see why scum would target him and not try to kill him. They know his role so no need to investigate.

And if Bojack IS town and does have a track shot as well then kyan is lying. It seems excessive with my role.
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Neeks knows Bojack visited VA, VA wasnt killed, so why is she with Bojack being pushed? She knows there is a gift giver (she got something N1). Why doesnt she assume Bojack is a doc or the gift giver?
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
Are you planning on seeing if Mama Duck's former Woodchuckery is enough to count tonight or no?
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
(No I have not managed to put together anything worth noting down here yet, I know, I suck, and if I'm dead I greatly apologise. If I'm alive I'll keep working on it to post later tonight).
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Ephidel said:
Are you planning on seeing if Mama Duck's former Woodchuckery is enough to count tonight or no?
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Actually, I didnt even think about it. Wouldve assumed if someone had woodchucks in their pm they wouldve said something :/
Ephidel said:
(No I have not managed to put together anything worth noting down here yet, I know, I suck, and if I'm dead I greatly apologise. If I'm alive I'll keep working on it to post later tonight).
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No worries. even what you said here is good coming from someone with fresh eyes
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Question, do we think fate’s whole night two thing (all stealing actions went to fate)was devoted just to mess with a night action from one person?
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
There are enough items floating around that I guess I could see a "proper" thief being out there in addition to the coin thief perhaps.

Or Leo could have decided he loves those flavour item role cop thieves Loki and Vere like.

It seems like a lot of movement of there's yet another thing the scum team dirks have been doing at night though.
Then again everyone is ducking moving at night in this game anyway.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Do not agree AT ALL with Neeks' reasoning for watching VA over Kyan. It doesnt even make sense to me. He claimed cop with no CC.

Sawneeks said:
A gift giver isn't a threat????

zeke what are you on. a gift giver is absolutely a threat. it gives out items that likely help town to players scum have no knowledge of. that's an incredibly dangerous thing to scum.
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A gift giver isnt that big of a threat because they can mess around and give stuff to scum.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
I think there's a bit of hindsight there with regards to the night action choices. Kyan was a claimed cop and the opposing wagon to flipped scum...but he was also scum read enough to get voted out so he wasn't that clear. VA was a confirmed townie which makes sense for a scum team to hit ASAP, but they had also lost 2 members and other PRs had yet to claim.

Sometimes you go for the obvious choice and sometimes you just overthink it.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Whatever Neeks flips, want to get input from other gamerunners post game on whether it would be bastard if scum had the loud watcher/tracker role. Launch saying it's bastard cause it's a system msg/mod would be lying doesnt make sense to me. If VA turned out to be scum.........then yea that's bastard.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
I think Launch is just misunderstanding and thinks I think her role itself is in some way a lie.

I think she's a loud watcher. I think she watched va and her role told va she did so.
I just don't think she has to be town just because loud tracker Zbeat was.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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Sneeks defending me is weird, especially since I felt like she low key wanted to push me to start the day phase with the "i need everyone to reread zeke" post.

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EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

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2 role cops for scum. Interesting.
So, this opens up Bojack.

Also of note..........his rb was 1shot and may have been used on EC Day 1. If he still had the RB shot n2, he wouldve used it on Kyan the cop imo.
 
Ephidel

Ephidel

How do you do, fellow mafia?
You're the great matriarch of the infamous family of criminals, the Beagle Boys! You are Ma Beagle, and you're aligned with the Disney Afternoon Villains (MAFIA).
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... This means I was wrong about Sneeks though. Whoops.


1-Shot RANSACK: <Player> Reveals the role of the targeted player.
1-Shot BLACKMAIL: <Player> Blocks any night actions that player would perform on that night.

In addition to one of those orders, you can also enter the command STEAL: <Player> each night to try to steal from that player. If the targeted player has at least 1 quackillion dollars, you will obtain 1 quackillion dollars.

If you have at least 1 quackillion dollars, you can also enter the command BUY: <Order> each night to exchange 1 quackillion dollars for another shot of that order. The shot will be replenished and be available on the next night. You can't use STEAL and BUY on the same night.

You share a faction kill with your team that you may perform once per night by entering the command KILL: <Player>.
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Huh, so scum has a use for money.
Well. Had, I guess.

I guess that answers your "all stealing actions" thing too.
 
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