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Howdy fellow memers

Welcome Randomless! You are Dutch Van Der Linde the JOAT

You are aligned with Dutch's Gang (That's mafia)

You are the leader of Dutch's gang. You have four different powers:
1. You are a Godfather. If investigated you will return the result as "Town"
2. You are a 2-shot Strongman. During the night you may use the command Strong Kill: (Name) this will take the place of the regular night kill. The kill will ignore any protection that player might have.
3. You are a 1-shot Bulletproof. If you are targeted by a kill you will be protected.
4. You are a 1-shot doublevoter. During the day by using the command Double: (name) this will make your vote count for two.

In addition, you can perform the factional night kill.

Your teammates are: LaunchPadMcQ, Leo, and Kopite!

You win when Dutch's Gang controls 50% of the vote.

Gonna guess this is multiball unless everyone else is as OP as me
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Ooh looks like I'm a bad pato this time >:) will be an honor working with you!

You are Javier Escuella the Roleblocker

You are aligned with Dutch's Gang (That's mafia)

You suspect people might be losing faith in Dutch so you'll do what you can to keep the others in line. You are a 3-shot Roleblocker. During the night you may use the command Block: (Name) and you will block that player from taking any night actions. In addition, you can perform the factional night kill.

Your teammates are: Randomless, LaunchpadMcQ, and Koptie

You win when Dutch's Gang controls 50% of the vote.

Also I swear Kopite is scum in every game i play with him lol
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
You are Micah Bell the Arthur Hunter & Neighbor

You are aligned with Dutch's Gang (That's mafia)

Arthur Morgan was always the most suspicious of you and if anyone needs to be taken out for your plans to succeed, it's him. You are an Arthur Hunter. During the night you may use the command It's been a lotta fun: (Name) and if the player is Arthur Morgan, then they will die. Once Arthur Morgan is dead you will become a Nexus. All non-killing actions directed toward you will be redirected at a random player once you become a Nexus. You're pretty good at finding leads as well. You will share a neighbor chat with Melonrabbit. In addition, you can perform the factional night kill.

howdy pardners
 

Kopite

Quickdraw King
Ooh looks like I'm a bad pato this time >:) will be an honor working with you!



Also I swear Kopite is scum in every game i play with him lol
I know right! :thisisfine:

You are Bill Williamson the Rolecop

You are aligned with Dutch's Gang (That's mafia)

You're loyal to Dutch and will do what you can to find out if someone might be plotting against him. You are a 2-shot Rolecop. During the night you may use the command Check: (Name) and you will learn the targeted player's role. In addition, you can perform the factional night kill.

Your teammates are: Randomless, LaunchpadMcQ, and leo

You win when Dutch's Gang controls 50% of the vote
Since it's only just us 4 I assume there are a bunch of other killing powers in the game. Launch, do you think Arthur knows we're looking for him?
 
@Chuggernaut is it supposed to be Sean MacGuire and not Sean McGuire? That's what the wiki says.

Also we have no fake flavour to go with the claims so I did a quick wiki crawl. Tilly Jackson definitely seems like a vanilla claim. I think I could take Leopold Strauss as my claim, he's a loanshark so I could claim I collected an extra vote as collateral or something for my double vote ability.

HOWEVER literally all of these characters are or were part of Dutch's Gang at one point, which is our literal mafia name. Idk how useful they're going to be as fake claims as a result? Seems like they'll be useless as soon as one of us flips. I guess if a townie that is also part of the gang flips first maybe we'd be okay?
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
@Chuggernaut is it supposed to be Sean MacGuire and not Sean McGuire? That's what the wiki says.

Also we have no fake flavour to go with the claims so I did a quick wiki crawl. Tilly Jackson definitely seems like a vanilla claim. I think I could take Leopold Strauss as my claim, he's a loanshark so I could claim I collected an extra vote as collateral or something for my double vote ability.

HOWEVER literally all of these characters are or were part of Dutch's Gang at one point, which is our literal mafia name. Idk how useful they're going to be as fake claims as a result? Seems like they'll be useless as soon as one of us flips. I guess if a townie that is also part of the gang flips first maybe we'd be okay?

I think there's probably a handful of characters on town side that were part of Dutch's Gang in the game that are town roles. I only played a bit of the game, but John Marston and Sadie Adler are guaranteed to be town roles. I wouldn't worry about that angle too much.

I'm good with any of the claims. I have an idea for a fake claim and I don't need a specific name to make it work because they all equally do not fit the claim T_T
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
@Chuggernaut is it supposed to be Sean MacGuire and not Sean McGuire? That's what the wiki says.

Also we have no fake flavour to go with the claims so I did a quick wiki crawl. Tilly Jackson definitely seems like a vanilla claim. I think I could take Leopold Strauss as my claim, he's a loanshark so I could claim I collected an extra vote as collateral or something for my double vote ability.

HOWEVER literally all of these characters are or were part of Dutch's Gang at one point, which is our literal mafia name. Idk how useful they're going to be as fake claims as a result? Seems like they'll be useless as soon as one of us flips. I guess if a townie that is also part of the gang flips first maybe we'd be okay?

Yeah that’s a typo. Fixed it lol.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
The only thing I said in that chat was “howdy”. I’m trying to play the “townie who distrusts neighbor chats” angle by being really quiet

:spy:
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I think there's a good chance Terra may be Arthur Morgan lol I was figuring that role needed to be an investigator or vig, and I'm not sure why he would claim vig in a way that emphasizes he's trying to hide his character name.

:eyes:
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
I think there's a good chance Terra may be Arthur Morgan lol I was figuring that role needed to be an investigator or vig, and I'm not sure why he would claim vig in a way that emphasizes he's trying to hide his character name.

:eyes:

I'd say it's worth a shot, maybe subtlely see if melon has some input on it as the day develops? Your pm made me think she might be connected and know something about Arthur somehow.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I'd say it's worth a shot, maybe subtlely see if melon has some input on it as the day develops? Your pm made me think she might be connected and know something about Arthur somehow.
I thought the same. I also had the thought that maybe that neighbor chat isn't necessarily going to stay limited to us two. lol
 

Kopite

Quickdraw King
Btw guys feel free to bus me, I'm usually an easy target and don't have the best scum game. I'll also most likely miss out on day ends.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Sorry friends, I feel like I let everyone down. I don't have the bandwidth to focus properly and I'm super off my game. I'm doing pretty terribly right now outside the game, I shouldn't have signed up.
Not at all! I hope things get better!
Is there anything important I should know?
aw shit I’m on a scum team with Fanto, lets goo

Random hasn’t claimed or crumbed anything yet. I dont think there’s anything important other than some cheap heat being thrown at the slot. I’m a little busy atm, so I will move my vote once I have time to check on properly and make that look organic
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, so I'm a JOAT, Launch is Hunter and a Neighbor with Melon, Kopite is Role Cop, Leo is Role Block.

Nice selection of abilities.

I'm going to guess there's a second Scum team.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Sorry friends, I feel like I let everyone down. I don't have the bandwidth to focus properly and I'm super off my game. I'm doing pretty terribly right now outside the game, I shouldn't have signed up.

I didn't feel like you let us down at all, Random. But I'm sorry to hear you aren't doing very well, I hope you get everything sorted out soon! Thanks for playing with us!
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
And welcome to the team, Fanto! I think this is the first time we're on the same side in a game lol
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Oh shit, I'm a Godfather too lol. I should try to make sure I'm not being too Townie, I want to bait some poor Cop into checking me.

So I'm a Godfather with a BP Vest and a Double Vote? And I also have 2 Strong shots?

Sorry, just now realizing what's all in this role lol.

This is like the kind of Scum role that Sorian gets lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'll probably be asleep for EoD, but it looks like we're all going to be safe.

I threw some light shade at Leo and Kopite, but they're just words.

Hopefully things go smooth! I'll be back later to discuss night actions.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Good job today, team! Fanto being wagon number 2 is nice cause someone might investigate her.

I don't know who we should kill, Ephi seems to be the most town read but her reads aren't close to us so I'm not worried about her right now. Sneeks would be a good one, but could put Fanto in danger. Everyone else I feel could be a mislynch so I don't have a strong opinion.

Faddy's probably getting watched tonight so i think we should leave him alone. I think jman would be a good cop check, he seems to be hinting at a good PR.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
ok, since Fanto has 2 strongman shots, I think we can pretty much kill whoever we want tonight. My preferences are between Ephi, Terra, Donnie, or Sneeks (there may be some other people who are highly townread I'm not thinking of). also Ephi would feel good about finally being night killed in a game, so that's a bonus \o/

I think I should throw my shot out at someone that is unlikely to be protected. I'm afraid that if I choose someone that's protected, we won't know for sure if that person wasn't Arthur or was protected. I'm open to suggestions on this.

I also think Kopite should throw his investigation out somewhere. No idea if we'll get back a flavor name or a role name, either way we stand to gain more from finding out role information sooner rather than later.

Leo should sit on his shots imo. Without knowing who has what role, we would be better off making a more informed decision with them down the road.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
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Unfortunate we couldn't get Faddy out. Do we think we should Role Cop him, or do we think he'll spill the beans tomorrow?

Leo does make a good point re: Jman however. Knowing Jman's role ahead of time is always good for Mafia, because he's always going to try to trick us at some point.

Agreed that Leo should sit on his shots for tonight, RB shots are always more powerful later in the game.

I'll gladly use a Strong shot tonight, the only question is for whom the bell tolls. Terra is a good candidate IMO.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Unfortunate we couldn't get Faddy out. Do we think we should Role Cop him, or do we think he'll spill the beans tomorrow?
I think there's definitely a chance. Leo's concern that he may be watched tonight is valid. I think there's a chance Faddy might further unravel himself, too, so I'm fine keeping him around.
Leo does make a good point re: Jman however. Knowing Jman's role ahead of time is always good for Mafia, because he's always going to try to trick us at some point.
This is true...
I do somewhat worry that Maol is on the other Scum team... He wouldn't be the worst person to Role Cop.
I would support either of these choices.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
I think Terra might be good to keep around a bit more because he will generate noise. Wiz survived so both of them are still unresolved. I'm cool with killing Donnie but doesn't he always die d1? lol maybe it's just an impression, but I'd vouch to let him play more out of sportsmanship if we don't have a good reason to kill him tonight

Sneeks is my preferred kill tonight ngl, but she was going hard at Random/Fanto, if we think that's not a problem I think she's optimal.

I agree maol looks not town, and being informed about another scum team early would put us a step ahead, so i agree he's a good role check.

As for investigating Arthur... I have no idea who he might be, but I think Fate, Zeke, and malus are town and are people that I don't think would be protected today.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Sneeks is my preferred kill tonight ngl, but she was going hard at Random/Fanto, if we think that's not a problem I think she's optimal.
I think we can spin it as being too wifomy to read into.

I agree maol looks not town, and being informed about another scum team early would put us a step ahead, so i agree he's a good role check.

As for investigating Arthur... I have no idea who he might be, but I think Fate, Zeke, and malus are town and are people that I don't think would be protected today.
I have a little tinfoil hat here that maybe Arthur is part of another scum team. I’m not sure what flavor would fit for a second scum team, but a splinter gang from Dutch’s makes some sort of sense. Might be a bit out there, but another reason to check Maol imo

I can try for Zeke tonight and see what happens. He’s more of a problem as town than the other two, so would be great if he died >>;
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I don't mind killing Sneeks, it's always WIFOM to assume someone was killed for their reads.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm def into the Role Cop on Maol idea now I think, that sounds like the best bet for N1. Let's find out what he's packin.

I'll leave it up to Launch on who he wants to sniff, I mean, hunt. :P

Is anything interesting going on in the Neighbor chat with Melon btw, Launch? Has she given any secret reads in there?
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I'm def into the Role Cop on Maol idea now I think, that sounds like the best bet for N1. Let's find out what he's packin.

I'll leave it up to Launch on who he wants to sniff, I mean, hunt. :P

Is anything interesting going on in the Neighbor chat with Melon btw, Launch? Has she given any secret reads in there?
melon’s asking me about your slot. I was going to drop some reads in there this morning, see how she responds to them. I dropped a couple reads in there earlier about Random, so she’s probably wondering why I didnt vote there.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Oh great, they're gunning for me already lol.

Wtf is head of the house? I don't trust it lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm worried that might be a Cult Leader, unless there's something in Red Dead lore that makes sense otherwise.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I'm worried that might be a Cult Leader, unless there's something in Red Dead lore that makes sense otherwise.
I'll dig around the wiki later and try to jog my memory. It doesn't really ring a bell right now, but I agree it sounds not town.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Oh yeah, that maol role sounds scummy.

Fanto's shooter was most likely a town vig. Sneeks also had a vig shot, and I know there are probably a lot of them in the game but still, Terra's death could be scum.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'll probably have to be the first of us to claim, so I'm going to figure out which one of these flavor names we got lines up best with a double voter lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Strategy wise, I think I'm going to try to focus on the Wiz voters, since I said yesterday I thought there was Scum in there.

I am the most likely of us to flip first, possibly even today, so I want to try creating some distance while I'm still here. Me focusing on a pile that includes Leo/Kopite, and me Scum reading both of them, should help a bit.

All of you can feel free to bus me, no need to stick your neck out this early when the thread's prevailing sentiment is against me.

I will likely use my double vote sometime today to claim and "prove" my role. I clarified with Chugg in my PM that I am able to switch it around to anyone I want, I can just only use it on the one day.

It's not likely to do much for me, but it's better for me to get it out in the open early, maybe 24h through the phase assuming votes pile on me, since that is the "townier" thing to do than waiting til the last minute to claim and use it.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
We'll see if people turn around on me at all, but I'm guessing it's going to come down to me or Wiz.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Could ATP be Arthur then?
That's definitely a possibility. Depending on how today goes, he may be protected tonight and we may have not have Fanto around to do anything about it. I may need to search elsewhere tonight and circle back around to ATP the following night.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
The way Donnie has been agreeing with me and town reading me has me a little sus. We mind meld sometimes, but I think he's usually a little more careful when we play so I'm a little surprised I've pocketed him like this (and makes me think he's the one trying to pocket me).
 

Kopite

Quickdraw King
That's definitely a possibility. Depending on how today goes, he may be protected tonight and we may have not have Fanto around to do anything about it. I may need to search elsewhere tonight and circle back around to ATP the following night.
Hmm, I'm not sure if your target can be protected from you, since it's not a conventional kill
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm going to need to channel some major Sorian energy if I want to come up with a Neutral claim that I think will actually keep me from being voted out lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
What if I just say something like, yeah, I'm a Neutral, I had a BP Vest and I lied about it. I'm a benign Neutral though, I'm not telling you my win condition, but I'm just going to exit peacefully once it's met. Voting me out now is not going to get you a Scum flip, so let's look elsewhere.

I'll obviously word it better in the thread, but that being the gist of it, maybe some FUD gets introduced and people don't want to vote for me.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Since Sawneek was the Cult Leader, and she had a possible Vig shot too, people might buy that I'm not a killing Neutral or one to be scared of, that's kind of what I'm hoping for.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Well shit lol

There's always the option to say you don't know what happened. A doc could have protected someone that got switched with you, ephi could have been redirected to someone else. It's a tough pill, but don't think you can survive with a neutral claim :(
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Even if you go that route, i think you should claim though :( i was researching Strauss and I saw he's a loan shark that sends Arthur to collect money from loaners... That could work with a crazy Geno mechanic involving some kind of currency that only you use and the name Arthur, since we know he's in the game
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm going with a Neutral claim, but I'm going to leave it vague.

I don't really expect it to save me, but there's too many questions around me now for me to continue pretending to be Town I think.

I think this is probably the best option, even if it's a slim chance.

Even if you go that route, i think you should claim though :( i was researching Strauss and I saw he's a loan shark that sends Arthur to collect money from loaners... That could work with a crazy Geno mechanic involving some kind of currency that only you use and the name Arthur, since we know he's in the game
I am going to go with something like this though if people really press me for a full claim. I'm going to say that I'm a Loan Shark and I need to collect debts from people at night until I reach a certain dollar amount, then I win. I'll say it only works on people that owe me money though, or something, and that I have no way of knowing who owes me, I just randomly pick people and/or google search flavor claims and hope to get money.

For starters though, I'm just going to refuse to say my win condition or anything else about my role except that I'm "benign".
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
Regardless, it's definitely one of my best fake claims ever, so I'm at least proud of it whether they believe me or not lol.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Sorry, all, I'm having a tough time playing the game right now due to stuff going on and I'm just getting stressed out about it. Already feel bad that I went after Fanto there and might've messed that up. I've asked Chuggs for a replacement.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ah crap, it was really no biggie Launch, hope I didn't make you feel bad about it. They're totally going to vote me out still anyway, so I was just giving you crap for calling out my fake claim is all lol.

Hope you feel better soon!
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
If anyone knows how much of my role is known to the public (I.e. has the neighbor chat with melon come up), that'd be good.
 

CaptainNuevo

MDTLA Enthusiast
Staff member
Ok, so word from my esteemed colleague is that there might be multiple scum teams and some neutrals. Unclear if thats something town might posit at this point as well or if it plays into the earlier theory I've seen here that it may be a neighbor chat of 2 non-aligned scum members.

Thoughts?
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Howdy there partners. So uhhhhh what's the deal here? Cliff notes?
D1 I replaced in for Rando, who had gotten some slight heat but nothing major.

Lux (Vanilla Town) was voted out, with me as the second wagon.

We targeted Sawneeks with a Strong Kill on N1. She was a Cult Leader with a BP Vest. Great shot.

We also Role Cop'd Maol, and were told he was a "Head of the House" which makes no sense.

And my BP vest was used.

D2 starts, Terra (Town Watcher) and Sawneeks show up dead.

ATP claims he shot me, but I wasn't dead. I say "Oh, must have been a Switcher or something, no idea why I'm not dead"

Enter Ephidel, who says she tracked ATP to me, so no way there was a Switch or Redirect involved, and I was in no way someone worthy of protection on N1.

I decide to claim as a Neutral, which is generally being bought in the thread, but they all still want to kill me today.

That's about where we're at.
If anyone knows how much of my role is known to the public (I.e. has the neighbor chat with melon come up), that'd be good.
None, Launch hasn't claimed anything yet.
Ok, so word from my esteemed colleague is that there might be multiple scum teams and some neutrals. Unclear if thats something town might posit at this point as well or if it plays into the earlier theory I've seen here that it may be a neighbor chat of 2 non-aligned scum members.

Thoughts?
After learning of the fact that there were not 1, not 2, but 3 killing powers used last night, Town is thinking there is either 2 Scum teams, or a SK on the loose.

We somewhat assume 2 Scum teams in here, based on our small size, but now knowing that there was a chance for a Cult, I could see us as a smaller team just because the Cult was expected to actually be around instead of us killing them on N1.

So, unsure.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Actually, thinking on it a little more, the Terra kill doesn't make sense as an SK kill, Terra was widely Town read and was likely to be shot by Mafia even. So I would actually say Terra was likely shot by a second Scum team.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
The big brain theory is that Terra had protection on him, and was shot by both a second Scum team and a SK. How about that one?
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Zeke wouldn't be the worst Role Cop target btw. He keeps things so close to his chest all the time, getting a peek at his cards early is probably worth it.
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Sorry, Fanto, I was absent during the whole day yesterday which left me in a difficult position, I had to take a strong stance regarding your claim when I came back so :( I still haven't given up on you though, maybe if there's an opening during eod activity we can explore it. Most people seem to believe you're neutral, so theres a chance
 

Leo

Quack Pack King
Launch, you played really well, I think your slot in is a great spot, no worries! Take care!

And welcome aboard, Captain! :)
 
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