I have a plan you just have to trust me
- Thread starter Chuggernaut
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On the bright side... I'm just gonna be happy that I managed to survive 2 days while subbed into a red-checked position, even if it's mostly just luck.
I'm still talking myself into us killing Nin tonight. If we do, and he's other-scum team I might be able to convince them to let me live claiming he's untrustworthy for town.
I'm still talking myself into us killing Nin tonight. If we do, and he's other-scum team I might be able to convince them to let me live claiming he's untrustworthy for town.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Lol, I missed the entire phase, I've no idea what happened with nin/Faddy but it's difficult to see there being another scum team with the numbers now that even more folk are showing up as neutral. A Serial Killer (who also took aim at LP?) is more likely. I also don't see where Wiz learned that you're Arthur Hunter Cap, he just thinks you're Micah which doesn't mean much because that's one of the most hated characters from the game. Wiz is just wilding out and I think leaving him in there to be chaotic is the better play.
If there is another scum team, ideally we'd push for them instead of trying to kill them. I think nin is not a bad shout for a kill but I'm worried about protection (don't forget that with Faddy flipping town, nin and his results are going to be scrutinized pretty heavily, we can convince town we need to flip him to remove any doubts). ATP and Neki are good targets too, but keeping the latter alive to sow some continued confusion regarding nin's targets might be better. There's also jman, Hawthorn, Donnie and Bojack that are universally town read. I don't think Vere should be our kill, Faddy flipping town doesn't paint him in a good light and he may be out of shots if he is a rolecop.
Maybe Arthur check ATP, NK Donie/Hawthorn/Bo. We can either RB in that group or save it till the next night.
If there is another scum team, ideally we'd push for them instead of trying to kill them. I think nin is not a bad shout for a kill but I'm worried about protection (don't forget that with Faddy flipping town, nin and his results are going to be scrutinized pretty heavily, we can convince town we need to flip him to remove any doubts). ATP and Neki are good targets too, but keeping the latter alive to sow some continued confusion regarding nin's targets might be better. There's also jman, Hawthorn, Donnie and Bojack that are universally town read. I don't think Vere should be our kill, Faddy flipping town doesn't paint him in a good light and he may be out of shots if he is a rolecop.
Maybe Arthur check ATP, NK Donie/Hawthorn/Bo. We can either RB in that group or save it till the next night.
I can try the nin flip, but so far I feel like the inclination from town is going to be to just shoot me immediately. I'm going to make a hell of an attempt at reverting that impression with a pretyped post, but I might at the very least require some folks pushing to slow down to at least discuss since if we turbo, it's 2 sets of night actions without any discussion.
I am bothered somewhat by nin's whole "I'm surprised I'm not dead!!!" After claiming to be a spent cop. Any scum team is going to leave that role alive for a bit once it's not a threat, it's not surprising to be alive if you're seen as useless and flipping you just throws shade in.
Going to work on that defense a bit, along with Fate swap not panning out.
It's gonna be an uphill battle but agreed thats the best course right now.
Also I'm good with checking ATP. I think the main benefit to it is if I find Arthur he's dead, which helps us if we have bandwidth for me to use it.
I am bothered somewhat by nin's whole "I'm surprised I'm not dead!!!" After claiming to be a spent cop. Any scum team is going to leave that role alive for a bit once it's not a threat, it's not surprising to be alive if you're seen as useless and flipping you just throws shade in.
Going to work on that defense a bit, along with Fate swap not panning out.
It's gonna be an uphill battle but agreed thats the best course right now.
Also I'm good with checking ATP. I think the main benefit to it is if I find Arthur he's dead, which helps us if we have bandwidth for me to use it.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
We might, but that would seem like a scum team trying to help Cap. But tbf Cap's in a bad position already so it could be a hail mary. I think we're better off leaving nin alive and push hard on the fact that he gave us a fake red but I'm worried town will be a little lazy and just kill Cap anyway. Maybe this should be your call Cap, since it could potentially save you? Personally, I think nin's just town cop and there were some other shenanigans at play.
If you all think you're well positioned against me, we can take the risk and leave nin open for now.
I expect this to be another turbo day tbh, so we're probably better off trying to take down a different player who could still have shots.
I expect this to be another turbo day tbh, so we're probably better off trying to take down a different player who could still have shots.
Also...
It's been a lotta fun: AllThingsPurple
It's been a lotta fun: AllThingsPurple
Leo
Quack Pack King
I agree Wiz is probably better left alone, I'm not sure about his alignment anymore and killing him despite him being a big question mark might make town dig into his reads if he flips town after all.
So who else? I still think nin could be a good kill today. If he flips town, it doesn't change Cap's fate and we get rid of a player who would be confirmed town after Cap flipped, but before town actually tries to protect him. If he flips scum or anything other than a cop, that might save Cap.
Vere probably still has shots of whatever his power is, but I think he might be a mislynch along the way.
Neki could be a good anticipated kill before Cap flips mafia and town trusts nin's check. After that, we might have trouble killing him.
Donnie would also be a good kill, I think he's only gonna get more troublesome as the game goes.
My candidates for killing would be nin, Donnie, neki I think.
I have no idea who to block except for Vere again, any suggestions?
So who else? I still think nin could be a good kill today. If he flips town, it doesn't change Cap's fate and we get rid of a player who would be confirmed town after Cap flipped, but before town actually tries to protect him. If he flips scum or anything other than a cop, that might save Cap.
Vere probably still has shots of whatever his power is, but I think he might be a mislynch along the way.
Neki could be a good anticipated kill before Cap flips mafia and town trusts nin's check. After that, we might have trouble killing him.
Donnie would also be a good kill, I think he's only gonna get more troublesome as the game goes.
My candidates for killing would be nin, Donnie, neki I think.
I have no idea who to block except for Vere again, any suggestions?
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I wonder if we should save the RB tonight, so we can get a clearer pic after the flips tonight/tomorrow? We're definitely not losing you tomorrow, as long as you don't immediately get voted out the next day we'll still have one.
How about this, if we kill nin let's RB one of Don/Neki/Bojack/Hawthorn, otherwise let's save it? I feel like I've convinced myself to save it though lol.
For the time being,
Kill : nin
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
@CaptainNuevo You are now a Nexus
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO FUCKING WAY
We getting dual kills folks!
(Thanks for the suggestion on ATP)
Now if only I had done that last night pre-nin check :'(
(Thanks for the suggestion on ATP)
Now if only I had done that last night pre-nin check :'(
ATP was a 1-shot vig, and 2 vanilla townies dead.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Congrats, Cap! I hope you survive today to get the benefits for at least one night lol but at the very least, we got ATP out today as an extra
And.... Yeah, starting to look like there isn't another scum team after all and it's just a SK. I say that because 3 people flipped vanilla town already and that would feel unbalanced with two killing factions.
We're still missing the bastard (let alone Geno) factor of the game though, and I wonder what it could be. Everything has been straightforward so far.
And.... Yeah, starting to look like there isn't another scum team after all and it's just a SK. I say that because 3 people flipped vanilla town already and that would feel unbalanced with two killing factions.
We're still missing the bastard (let alone Geno) factor of the game though, and I wonder what it could be. Everything has been straightforward so far.
The thing I don't get is Nin then. He's either misleading us all, or something else happened (redirect, etc).
Think bringing up the Geno bastard level is gonna help my case here? I wonder...
Also I'm not sure I believe that's all. If a town role did anything to mess with the Faddy x Me swap, surely they'd claim it by now to help us out a second scum no?
...That's what's going to happen today huh. That's today's surprise.
Think bringing up the Geno bastard level is gonna help my case here? I wonder...
Also I'm not sure I believe that's all. If a town role did anything to mess with the Faddy x Me swap, surely they'd claim it by now to help us out a second scum no?
...That's what's going to happen today huh. That's today's surprise.
If we're the only scum team, is the thing here that town is basically all anti-town powers for the most part?
Leo
Quack Pack King
I'm really confused about the balance. 4 scum, a cult, likely a serial killer, lots of neutrals and town so far has a tracker, a vig (who's also a target), a switcher and and an override. 3 vanillas. Seems something's missing for town.
If nin and Vere are telling the truth, this gets better, 3-shot cop is a big power, and Vere's power is basically a cop, a rolecop, and a copycat all at once, and also at least 3-shot which is crazy (and honestly makes me think he's lying).
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think between the remaining players, our SK is among Vere, wee, jman or Wiz.
Jman and Wiz feel like they're playing a solo game. Wee seems unusually afraid to commit to conflict.
Wiz might have panicked about being investigated N1 and flubbed that miller claim, i still don't buy that.
I don't think I believe Vere's claim. But he did know Fate's role, so if he's a SK he also has some kind of rolecop shot.
Jman and Wiz feel like they're playing a solo game. Wee seems unusually afraid to commit to conflict.
Wiz might have panicked about being investigated N1 and flubbed that miller claim, i still don't buy that.
I don't think I believe Vere's claim. But he did know Fate's role, so if he's a SK he also has some kind of rolecop shot.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I'll get to it! lol
I'm gonna see if I can think through a defense, but honestly I'm pretty fried right now, so I'm popping in the game chat, and we'll see if me publicly saying I have no more defense stirs anything up.
Knock 'em dead for me.
Knock 'em dead for me.
Wizard's guess of my power is actually pretty fun sounding. Is it too late to change it to that?
Also claiming neutral survivor neighbor... Is that a bad move or the only move left? Think I can just pretend I thought a cop would only red check scum this entire time?
Leo
Quack Pack King
I don't think that's gonna fly, neutral claims work sometimes when people haven't made up their minds on voting for that person and there are other options available, but people won't risking voting out a towny over a neutral unless they're sure they can catch scum other wise. But it's your call if you want to try it!
Another option i though about and it's totally fine if you don't wanna do it (I'm not even super sure if it's a good idea myself) is to open wolf as Micah and shade Wiz, saying your role has nothing to do with what he's saying but he somehow guessed your flavor out if nowhere and that means he has some ability, which means he isn't a miller and could be in another scum team or be some neutral. All of that will be proven when you flip, so people will neturally question how Wiz knew your flavor even though it has nothing to do with what he speculated your role to be.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Town hammered so Cap didn't have the chance :(
Who do you think we should kill, Kop? Vere is most likely lying about his role, because in addition to it sounding really far fetched, he's lying about N3. I roleblocked him that night, so he should have had his shot refunded, and he said he switched you and Neki.
If Vere is the SK (or even in another team), should we kill him? Might be dangerous leaving him alive and he shoots one of us.
Who do you think we should kill, Kop? Vere is most likely lying about his role, because in addition to it sounding really far fetched, he's lying about N3. I roleblocked him that night, so he should have had his shot refunded, and he said he switched you and Neki.
If Vere is the SK (or even in another team), should we kill him? Might be dangerous leaving him alive and he shoots one of us.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Yeah I suppose Vere might be lying, but he took a big chance then by claiming wee didn’t move, unless they’re in cahoots. I think Vere might be someone we can get voted out tomorrow, so maybe we shouldn’t NK them. Maybe nin, though he might be protected. Or we could kill wee and try to clear that up a bit, but if she isn’t lying then she’s probably not the doc (since she didn’t move that night). I think we still need the SK alive to thin the herd a bit, since we’re not too towny we might be able to escape getting killed for now.
So maybe kill wee, RB Hawthorn/Bojack/jman? And assume nin/Vere are out of shots? Or we could kill nin and still RB within that group. Stan/HP are pretty null to me. Or if you’re feeling adventurous we can go another round with saving the RB.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think saving the rb again could be a waste because town is more likely almost out of shots by now. I think wee is vanilla by her reaction to my theory on Vere. I'd be down to rb Bojack or Haw.
Wee is a good kill. We have to kill Neki and in too, but might be safer to wait until the doc has surely used all of their shots.
I'll leave this here for now because I might get stuck at work today and I'm not sure I'll be able to check in again before actions lock, but you can change it if you have a better idea:
roleblock: Bojack Horseman
Wee is a good kill. We have to kill Neki and in too, but might be safer to wait until the doc has surely used all of their shots.
I'll leave this here for now because I might get stuck at work today and I'm not sure I'll be able to check in again before actions lock, but you can change it if you have a better idea:
roleblock: Bojack Horseman
Leo
Quack Pack King
Yeah, but also, thinking about it, we need to kill the SK soon. For a SK to win, he has to kill all the mafia before he kills all of town, otherwise mafia will shoot him the same night he shoots them and it will be a tie. So if either one of us die now, the SK probably figures there's only one left and they will shoot us immediately if he knows who it is.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I thought about claiming vanilla but if you want that (maybe best to use Tilly), then I think I'll try for bodyguard Lenny. Might fall apart but I'thoughm not in a great position anyway so what the hell. We're not yet at massclaim anyway.
It's not that easy to figure out, especially when SK might be better served voting us out so they can save their shots for town (and importantly to no get voted out themselves). At this point for either us/SK to win we still need each other I think, numbers aren't in our favour. We might not have also both shot at wee, maybe the SK's target got protected.
It's not that easy to figure out, especially when SK might be better served voting us out so they can save their shots for town (and importantly to no get voted out themselves). At this point for either us/SK to win we still need each other I think, numbers aren't in our favour. We might not have also both shot at wee, maybe the SK's target got protected.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
So this is my fakeclaim:
“I’m Lenny Summers an X-shot bodyguard. I crumbed Lenny earlier in post ###. I can’t select the same targets twice in a row so I’m not going to reveal my targets or number of shots to keep scum in the dark. Suffice to say none of my targets have been NK.”
I don’t know if they’ll be fine with me not mentioning my targets though, although it makes sense. If I’m then forced too, I’m planning to say this:
N1 - Saved my shot
N2 - ATP
N3 - Nin
N4 - Neki
N5 - melon/out of shots?
What do you think? If the target list is good should I just include it in my initial claim?
“I’m Lenny Summers an X-shot bodyguard. I crumbed Lenny earlier in post ###. I can’t select the same targets twice in a row so I’m not going to reveal my targets or number of shots to keep scum in the dark. Suffice to say none of my targets have been NK.”
I don’t know if they’ll be fine with me not mentioning my targets though, although it makes sense. If I’m then forced too, I’m planning to say this:
N1 - Saved my shot
N2 - ATP
N3 - Nin
N4 - Neki
N5 - melon/out of shots?
What do you think? If the target list is good should I just include it in my initial claim?
Leo
Quack Pack King
I think it's better to include it from the go, it gives it more credibility that you're willing to share everything without people asking
The list seems good, I'm just worried if anyone else is gonna claim bodyguard, it kinda makes sense in a western themed game doesn't it? Maybe you could wait a bit to see other claims to mitigate the risk, but it's your call
The list seems good, I'm just worried if anyone else is gonna claim bodyguard, it kinda makes sense in a western themed game doesn't it? Maybe you could wait a bit to see other claims to mitigate the risk, but it's your call
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Hooray!
I think Melon's the SK, now that she's revealed she's a Pinkerton that's where I'm planning to push a bit tomorrow as well, I think she's probably bulletproof too. She's probably not going to aim at either of us, least of all me since I'm the favourite to get voted out tomorrow.
Nin and Neki should definitely be our targets, I need to double-check but how do they feel about you? We should go for the one that feels worst about you. Neki's being a bit too coy about their role, I wonder if they could be something harmful to us. Best case scenario is the SK and us kill 1 each of nin/Neki, we get rid of one of melon/Stan/jman and then kill the lovers I guess.
But yeah tentatively let's kill Neki or we could kill nin and RB Neki since I can't think of a better RB target, maybe we don't really need to worry bout it anymore at this point. Or we could just spend both on Neki to ensure we don't get hit by any counterplay lol.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Hmmm melon could def be the SK. Town has been clearing people for no reason, they seem to think melon, Haw and HP are all cleared just because of their roles (and zipped too, for some reason I can comprehend), we could push a bit there.
Between nin and neki I'd rather go for neki precisely because I think he has the worst opinion of us and is more active. nin being alive for a while won't harm us much, and yeah, neki might still have some shots of whatever his power is.
I can't RB anymore, I'm out of shots :( it's just the NK for us now
I doubt we still have any move detecting powers, but just in case you should probably do the NK since I claimed vanilla and you claimed a PR. But if you think it's too risky for you, i can do it too!
Between nin and neki I'd rather go for neki precisely because I think he has the worst opinion of us and is more active. nin being alive for a while won't harm us much, and yeah, neki might still have some shots of whatever his power is.
I can't RB anymore, I'm out of shots :( it's just the NK for us now
I doubt we still have any move detecting powers, but just in case you should probably do the NK since I claimed vanilla and you claimed a PR. But if you think it's too risky for you, i can do it too!
Leo
Quack Pack King
There's still a little devil in my shoulder though telling me there might be another team and we're about to lose the game to them at any moment haha we still don't know what happened to nin's check, and it's unlikely a SK would have powers to mess with that.
But town being a bunch of vanillas against a cult and two scum teams is just too evil D:
But town being a bunch of vanillas against a cult and two scum teams is just too evil D:
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Haha that would suck, and make this game proper bastard lol. Ngl I really want to know what happened to the switch/check lol, watch it just be Fate forgetting to PM Chuggs or something that's nothing to do with powers lol.
I'm running the scenarios here and I don't think we're in a terrible place, nin isn't looking at either of us but can flip flop pretty easily and we've still got the lovers for an extra kill. I'm wondering at which point will shooting the SK/other team makes sense, especially if I'm pulling up trees and am no longer in as precarious voting position, I could see myself being a night target too. Just worried melon will also have a vest.
I'll continue looking into melon, but our best case is probably pushing the vote towards Bojack/Stan. I'm a bit worried about bussing you at this point, I think it's enough to send you over so maybe tunneling into melon is my best bet.
Leo
Quack Pack King
I'm on the tightrope today and it's only gonna get slimmer as we go because people want to flip the vanillas. Would be incredible if they flipped Bojack today and he flipped not town lol so people would leave me alone
Anyway, claiming bodyguard was a really good move, nice! Haha
Anyway, claiming bodyguard was a really good move, nice! Haha
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Too hard to figure out SK’s target, I think its best we just decide who we would rather not have alive tomorrow. Nin isn’t going to get voted out no matter what but he might be convinced to vote the lovers tomorrow (this is a big stretch though). The lovers are going to throw a lot of shade on me, especially with Bojack’s last post nailing us, but with Stan,myself and you pushing there who knows? But a vote out there is unlikely. Zipped needs/may get some added scrutiny too. I guess nin’s our best target. If the SK aims at the lovers great, if they hit nin or someone not us then we’re still in this.
Might be paranoia here but Chuggs mentioning that we can skip the night phase once actions are in makes it sound like we’re closer to the end than expected so maybe another mafia team or living cult member might not be an impossibility lol.
Might be paranoia here but Chuggs mentioning that we can skip the night phase once actions are in makes it sound like we’re closer to the end than expected so maybe another mafia team or living cult member might not be an impossibility lol.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
Oh wait I'm a dumbass, that would've voted you out lol
Leo
Quack Pack King
I'm not following, shoot when?
I think our best chance is to get zipped voted out today. BPs don't prevent being lynched, so if we can get either Stan or melon to vote Zipped even for one second, we can pile up and hammer together
Leo
Quack Pack King
think we either win today, or we lose. If we don't win, it means I'll be dead and you would have to shoot the SK twice while they can kill you instantly, so i think it's all or nothing now.
Kopite
Quickdraw King
There’s a real chance the SK and us can both win actually if we end up voting town today as we could be 1v1 then at endgame. Also possible if u get voted out and SK and I either NK 2 townies or 1 townie and misvote the other one. I’ll take it at this point haha. Lets hear from Stan, I hope you speaking out for him gets him to choose voting for Zipped.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Theres only 5 people alive, if town or the SK gets voted out today we win because we will have 50% of the votes.
Unless Stan had a change of heart after Bojack's flip, I think he would vote Zipped rather than me. As a vanilla himself, he must also feel that the vanilla claims were all in fact genuine. Let's hope for the best and be prepared to hammer as soon as someone votes Zipped lol
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I don’t know if we should take that as a certainty since on mafia universe it says :
”
As a general guideline, if a Serial Killer is still alive, the game should not be called over unless the Serial Killer has won or some groupscum faction controls more than half the votes in the game.
Variations
Serial Killer is the most difficult standard faction to win as, since being the sole survivor requires the player to dodge all of the Town's eliminations and the Mafia's Night-kills. Thus, they are generally given a boost of some kind, depending on the game.- Serial Killers are often awarded the win if all players die, typically done by wording the win condition akin to "you win when all other players are dead, whether you are alive or not".”
I doubt Chuggs can clarify that of course. The good news is I think we may be able to get away with voting Zipped since we ‘really’ do believe them. Miller is also apparently a usual SK fakeclaim so maybe it really is him.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Your win con is accurate. If you have 50% of the vote you will win.
Leo
Quack Pack King
Yeah, we should def wait to vote together! Stan is in a far timezone though so who knows when he's gonna check in, I'll try to stay alert!
Kopite
Quickdraw King
I was toying with the idea of maybe voting you or posting that I intend to do so, since I feel melon's just waiting for a possible connection between us and if I vote zipped she'll catch on and it's over. But I think if I vote you I might actually be in enough of a town position for Stan/melon to believe me and vote you out lol.
I think we wait for Stan, he's got to put a vote out soon before he goes to bed. If it's on Zipped I'll strike.
I think we wait for Stan, he's got to put a vote out soon before he goes to bed. If it's on Zipped I'll strike.