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Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Well that was an interesting day end.....

I'd he good with blocking turmoil again. No else hinted at anything that I missed, right?
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Turmoil begged a doctor to save him, is what we're talking about.

Killing time would provide little to talk about. Or maybe sweetnicole since i can't figure out her voting patterns either.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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weemadarthur said:
Would theoretically give kenny a fake claim lol
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What would the claim be? I might be missing it, lol.

Are there roles that can give up their day phase in order to do something at night? I'm not trying to fish for info from you El Topo, so don't worry about responding, but something feels odd about the response we got about Castamere.

Maybe we do have a time traveler, and Castamere will show up tomorrow, lol
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Tomorrow is gonna be weird, but I wonder if we can use some of the confusion CS caused to clear you, Geno.

Maybe convince enough people that it wasn't "scum vs town", but "town vs player who was acting so random right down to the last minute it could be harmful to town".

Hell, this almost goes along with the Day One talk about a malicious town player. It's tough to read the end of Day Two as anything but a rage quit.
 
Geno

Geno

If they use CS to blame me I will mention how he was a bad player and it was a bad gambit, and they even agreed.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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I would be good with either a time or nicole kill tonight. Another option would be cast, as his death would give barely any discussion, and as the player count dwindles town is going to feel less safe with lynching inactives.

If he doesn't get lynched today, maybe he would be a good Night 3 kill.
 
Geno

Geno

We will someone that we will not be able to push for a lynch d3, Nicole is a good choice and so is Fireblend. Reason I want fireblend is because he was on my side and people might suspect us if someone against me died, even though in the end it probably does not matter.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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Ynnek7 said:
What would the claim be? I might be missing it, lol.

Are there roles that can give up their day phase in order to do something at night? I'm not trying to fish for info from you El Topo, so don't worry about responding, but something feels odd about the response we got about Castamere.

Maybe we do have a time traveler, and Castamere will show up tomorrow, lol
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Being the doctor! Covering turmoil as requested!

I don't want to kill castamere tonight.

Between time and Nicole, who's your preference?
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Oh! The thought to claim doctor was so out there to me that I couldn't figure that out, lol.

I'm gonna do a reread really quick and get back to you, but for now I'd say time is a good choice.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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Geno said:
We will someone that we will not be able to push for a lynch d3, Nicole is a good choice and so is Fireblend. Reason I want fireblend is because he was on my side and people might suspect us if someone against me died, even though in the end it probably does not matter.
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I'd like to keep Fireblend.
He and I have played together a lot. XD
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Yeah, timeaisis is a good choice.

Only thing I might consider is that that puts Fire, Geno, Me, and Fand as the voters on CS. Town will suspect multiple scum to have voted on CS at that point, I think, and since most have Geno in their sights already, that leaves me, fire, and fand against each other. Probably shouldn't be an issue, but just something I'll have to prepare for.

Unless town can be convinced that cast is scum, there's gonna be some debate about who out of wee, nicole, and turmoil are the scum hiding in the geno vote.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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We're kind of in the same spot as Day One. A watcher would more likely be on Geno, I think. But if they watched you night one and didn't see you move, maybe they would switch to someone else tonight.
 
Geno

Geno

I will do the kill, risking a random watch on weem is too risky. He is one of the most trusted town players rn.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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Sounds good to me. Are we settled on nicole? Day two should make her look pretty town, so taking out a trusted member is a good plan.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
And if she dies and goes to spec heaven, she can ponder the fact that no people whose names start with S are left in the game. <3
 
Geno

Geno

Keep in mind that we only need 2 votes on Castamare, if that happens we just set up a time and pile up to end it.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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If the Nicole kill goes through, that puts us at 3 vs 5.

Killing Castamere today would put us at 3 vs 4, still giving us a night phase.

If that nights kill goes through we enter the day at 3 vs 3 and win (would the day still have to play out in that case?)

If we pile on today, I think that's way too damning for us. On the off chance our night kill gets saved that night, we'd have pretty much revealed ourselves.

We could put votes on him throughout the day, of course.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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A doctor could also stop us on that 3vs3 night, assuming that day ends in a tie.
 
Geno

Geno

it's an automatic win if it ends with 3v3 on a night. It's an endless loop of mind games until the doctor doesn't find the one we shoot. There's a possibility for a double voter but that's rare.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Lol, I know it looks bad for us not getting the kill last night, but I love twists like this!

We knew you were gonna be in danger today either way, but maybe we can get Nicole to start leading the lynch on the rest of her scum reads. Wee and I are looking town right now. Just have to play for a couple extra days.
 
Geno

Geno

Like I said, we probably got this game in the pocket, wee is heavily trusted by almost everyone. 2 mislynches are easy to happen before they get to him.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Actually, the way turmoil is asking questions makes it look like he's a vig who tried to kill you last night. XD
In which case, we could both block and kill him in the night.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Now would probably be the time to do it. Early enough to not look like you're going for the hammer to end discussion. There's only two currently on Geno right?
 
Geno

Geno

I think I'm a done deal at this point, even though the claim was flawless some things are just unavoidable, I'm sorry guys.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Nothing to be sorry about! Most everyone seems to be trusting Wee, and even though some people are starting to look in my direction, there's still a few people ahead of me in that regard.

Days not over yet, but you're helping to keep us in a good position.
 
Geno

Geno

I think it was a good choice to add you to the people I would like to lynch, after I flip scum they might trust you a bit more and focus their attention on Fan and Turmoil.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Yes, I'm trying to gently indicate a thunderdome between Fandorin and turmoil for the following day.
But I don't think I can do anything other than vote you geno.
Enjoy your bus ride.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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Sorry Geno, but that there post was a terrible error.
Never be so sure of the size of the scum team when you're not supposed to have that data.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Eh, I do XD
Pushing hard on a reasoning that other people don't think is very effective can get them to resist back. So, it could also make people feel you're being unfairly attacked.

Hells yeah, my win ratio from games I've been scum speaks for itself. So my method of baiting is straight up asking a direct question in front of everybody.


And, to comment on the discussion about scum team size.
I'm also an expert on game design. In fact, the last time I started sharing some of my design ideas in the Discord chat, they gave me an honorary t-shirt that said "best mafia designer evar" and asked me to conduct seminars on the subject.

>.>
There's no Discord chat logs, right??
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DON'T WORRY RETRO I'M STILL OK AFTER THE T SHIRT INCIDENT
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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There's still enough time in the day. Not gonna get my hopes up yet, but I could see a turn towards Time, or even Nicole if there's enough of a push on her assumed towniness.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Yeah, it's possible. And time seems to be setting himself up for a major problem next day phase if we do get geno.

Ok, here's my thoughts, geno, esp weigh in since you may go poof in 2 hours.

Nicole has no more power, it was 1-shot, but we should not kill her yet.
Turmoil is a vig and we should block him.
Fandorin we should kill, he is obsessed with doctors and i think he might be one.

Do these make sense?
I think time is ordinary. Fireblend i want to keep a bit.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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I was just about to start writing a post about why I was going to vote for nicole...... lol
 
Geno

Geno

Sorry guys, wanted to end it with the final words being mine. What I said towards turmoil will not be ignored.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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I agree, Nicole's probably used up her power, but it's good to keep her around now. She'll be leading the push on Time tomorrow.

I'll definitely be keeping my block on turmoil. He's brought up a blocker a lot today, so I'm sure he's aware of someone stopping him.

I'll reread Fan, but I'd be good with killing either him or Kalor.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
This game will be one for the ages.

Only suicides allowed.

And mods can't count. Lol. Sorry topo.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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No worries, Geno. I've been posting/reading randomly throughout work today, but I should have been more clear once I had a plan for my vote.

Maybe people will think that after your flip you were a disgruntled scum calling out a scum mate.
 
El Topo

El Topo

Spanish for "The Topo"
Man, everyone keeps killing themselves just to get out of my game. :(
Hope you had fun, Geno.
 
Geno

Geno

That's what I was aiming for Ynnek. Even if they spend 2 hours talking about the stupid message it's still worth it. I'm sorry topo, I'm just trying to take advantage of the rules, fantastic game so far. Now how does this go, do I get the spectator board and no longer have permission to post here?
 
El Topo

El Topo

Spanish for "The Topo"
Apologies to you guys. I briefly spoiled the number of scum there for a second. Implying that Geno has partners, as is in your PM.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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And no worries El Topo, I don't think anyone was really set to believe a two scum team.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Awesome! Not the doctor, but at least they weren't protected tonight either, lol
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Ah! Okay, yeah, that does make sense. I thought i was missing something about what his kill might have revealed, lol.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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As long as Nicole doesn't come back saying that she received confirmation that her power worked, you may be in the clear for the bit with Fireblend's doctor claim. No clue if he can self-target, so if he survives today I'd say it's too risky to target him at night anymore.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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That was under the assumption that I might be lynched today. If I survive, do you think we should stop blocking turmoil and block+kill fireblend? I'd think the roleblock would block him protecting himself if he tried to, leaving him open to the kill.

I still think turmoil has some sort of night action, so it comes down to deciding if that action is more dangerous to us than risking fireblend saving someone.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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If we both survive long enough for people to start suggesting mass role claims, I'm gonna have to think up a historical character that no one else has. With Geno claiming Little Ted, me claiming Little Bill might be too damning, lol.
 
El Topo

El Topo

Spanish for "The Topo"
I only gave you guys one historical character for precisely that reason. Plenty of candidates to go around.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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Lol handicapping us is so mean.
Agreeed on all your points ynnek,
Wondering if I should claim vanilla though. I've been doing kills so.....I actually considered posing as a doc who protected Nicole and Swamped lol.
But, while you're alive, I'd rather keep Fireblend and kill Nicole or turmoil.

Problem is, if you stop blocking turmoil, and he's a vig like he hinted, he might shoot me in the night. So maybe it's better to hope FB doesn't protect him and block/kill him instead?
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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I think I'm gonna put in a vote on time even though you already are and then argue it would be a dumb move if i was scum. Arguments?
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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I think you should be okay with that vote on time. Nicole had 8 minutes between her post and yours, so maybe we can paint it that she had time to see the count and decided to hammer it herself to kill town.

We now have fire, nicole, and turmoil to figure out what to do with the night action.

Nicole claims that her power makes her immune, so a block won't do anything. (If we believe she can use it again).

Turmoil says he won't use his kill (Yay us for catching him!), but there's no guarantee on that.

Fireblend could use his power to save any of them, so we have maybe a 33%-50% chance of blocking the right person. 50% to kill the right one....
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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We can't really try to paint turmoil as a neutral, since town is now at the point where they need him to have majority.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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And I completely forgot Kalor in all that I was saying a few posts up, lol. He's another option to kill, but would the doctor protect him after times flip?
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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If we leave time alive tonight, I think I'm going to try to fight his vigilante claim. After three or four days with no extra kills, it's easy to assume that there are no extra kill roles and then claim vigilante and say you've been blocked every night. Would be a good strategy for a scum to hid behind.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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I'll be around all day to switch this before actions are locked if you think we can trust turmoil not to use his shot. Maybe would be good to block fireblend?

BLOCK: turmoil7
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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If we kill Fireblend, we have lost the most logical person left.

I sortof want to kill SN despite the vote argument thing, because she switches weird.

Turmoil I think I can go all in on him being a liar and scum and just misread.

I don't believe SN has another shot to use, I think she's trying to spread out the doctoring.

But, in the event it fails, we have 6 people and as long as a lynch gets done, it's still mylo. We would only have to fight against nolynchers.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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I don't think we should kill kalor, he's an easy target etc.

Killing turmoil just makes me look suspect, me arguing with him makes me look better.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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What should I focus on with fireblend? He's pretty townread, I think, and I doubt town will want to lynch a doctor (believing his claim)

Feel free to use my stuff up above about how Time could just be scum claiming vigilante after seeing days go by with no second kills, thinking it's a safe claim at that point. And how unlikely it is to be blocked both times he claims to have tried to make a kill.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
We will absolutely be asked to claim. What are the chances of Kalor being some motion detector? Should I claim ordinary?
If K can contradict that, I think it's over with me unless I can attack him really hard.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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I'd say claim ordinary, yeah. Any motion detector role would see you visited the ones killed, right?
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

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Fair enough! Don't rush to support my points on turmoil, but Step in and point out if I'm being off in my arguments against him, for sure.

Just gotta hope Kalor can't contradict me on the ordinary thing, but wouldn't he have said something if he had any night info?

Anyway it's a game of fairly handicapped roles so i doubt he'd be anything but a motion detector, and one kind of that detects motion but doesn't know who started it. So i could have been doctored or investigated. I just don't know which name goes with which role.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
You can't supoort my point too strongly. I need to either convice kalor OR fireblend thta turmoil is scum, or we need to all settle on kalor for lack of a better option lol.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Yeah, realized a bit too late there that I might have been pushing too hard, lol. Tried to back off a bit.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Hmmm, discussion isn't looking to favorably towards us, but there's still a chance we could tie things up at the end as long as the three of them don't come to a consensus.
 
Ynnek7

Ynnek7

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Also, I'm gonna be busy in about 2 hours (department Christmas party) but after that I'll be around to vote.
 
weemadarthur

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Yeah, don't support me at all unless you also support someone else's points. Just leave me hanging in the wind.
 
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