Scum Thread The Salon

[FateShirou]

zeke perma or chuggs?

 

[Hawthorn]

You pick Fate, we only have like an hour. I say Zeke perma, but ok going the other way

 

[Hawthorn]

Claim plan:

Wizard - Amelie - vanilla

Hawthorn - Det. McCaw - chat spy, or back = jailor

Fate - Cabanela - vanilla cop?

 

[Hawthorn]

Fate: perma kill: EzekelRAGE

Hope it's ok me putting this in, since you said you wanted to submit the kill. Checking in late & nervous

 

[Hawthorn]

Claim plan:

Wizard - Amelie - vanilla

Hawthorn - Det. McCaw - chat spy, or back = jailor

Fate - Cabanela - vanilla cop?

*backup

 

[Randomless]

Fate: perma kill: EzekelRAGE

Hope it's ok me putting this in, since you said you wanted to submit the kill. Checking in late & nervous

Command Received

 

[FateShirou]

Fate: perma kill: EzekelRAGE

Hope it's ok me putting this in, since you said you wanted to submit the kill. Checking in late & nervous

thank you
i went to eat popcorn

 

[FateShirou]

Claim plan:

Wizard - Amelie - vanilla

Hawthorn - Det. McCaw - chat spy, or back = jailor

Fate - Cabanela - vanilla cop?

i wanna be jailer
actually i will be vanilla cop
lets see who they pressure first when day start, between me and wiz

 

[Hawthorn]

Yes, I don't think we should plan to claim, but good to have a plan if there's pressure.

I'm ok with you taking the jailor claim, I can keep the chat peek claim, or actually I could be vanilla cop.

 

[Hawthorn]

thank you
i went to eat popcorn

We'll all need popcorn this day phase

 

[Hawthorn]

Just remember if you say who you jailed, it can't be anybody who was killed that night or was seen to have moved

Possible jailed claims:
N1 - Zeke, LP, Sparks (vanilla), nin, VA, TWE, Wizard, me
N2 - Zeke, nin, VA, TWE, Wizard, me
N3 - same as N2

Any living/unclaimed players are risky.

 

[Hawthorn]

Possible chat snippets to have "overheard":
"Ok I will"
"kill: Hedin"
"looking great they'll just take each other down"
"Random, please clarify: can one of us be in the chat?" (setting the chat creator up to be mafia)

I guess it's not allowed to have verbatim fake quotes, so I might have to just describe these.

I actually kind of like the idea of the last one as a subtle fake red check on the chat creator if they claim, but maybe it's too flashy?

 

[The Wizard]

Waiting for day start:

 

[FateShirou]

Dw if any o us were dead. Rando would have told us.

 

[The Wizard]

Ah not too strong of a role on Zeke then. Probably need to reign in our claims in a bit based on what we've seen, not sure if these minor roles like perceptive and macho replace vanillas aside from Sparks.

 

[FateShirou]

How many votes do we need for a turbo?

 

[Hawthorn]

Majority is 5, and we're at 3 mafia vs 5 town. So a miselim today would get us to 3/4 -> 3/3 after the night kill, which is our wincon. However, we shouldn't all pile on and openly stack as soon as there are two votes, because we'd then be screwed if anything happened to the kill over the night phase.

Pleased with this result. We killed Zeke for his gameplay, not because we thought he had a great role.

 

[FateShirou]

alright we need a 2 vote and then we can turbo for the W

 

[FateShirou]

Majority is 5, and we're at 3 mafia vs 5 town. So a miselim today would get us to 3/4 -> 3/3 after the night kill, which is our wincon. However, we shouldn't all pile on and openly stack as soon as there are two votes, because we'd then be screwed if anything happened to the kill over the night phase.

Pleased with this result. We killed Zeke for his gameplay, not because we thought he had a great role.

we never return to thread, its a W

 

[Hawthorn]

But what if the night kill gets blocked? It would then be 3/4 in the next day phase. There's probably still a protective role out there.

 

[FateShirou]

But what if the night kill gets blocked? It would then be 3/4 in the next day phase. There's probably still a protective role out there.

in my world, we are already celebrating and cracking the champagne
:cheers

 

[Hawthorn]

OK, we can open one bottle early, but that's it

 

[FateShirou]

"
Unvote now this is probably mylo"
nah town could have a protect

 

[The Wizard]

Going to claim Vanilla now if no objections?

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah do it. Swamped also claimed vanilla, no reason why there couldn't be three.

 

[Hawthorn]

I'm not sure about my claim yet. Going to ghost the thread until I figure it out. I was considering doctor/protective role for a sec -- let the real doc counterclaim and get voted out, I'm highly town read -- but don't think it works with the flavor

 

[FateShirou]

alright let me know if u dont want me to claim vanilla
i think my jailer claim will get me insta killed

 

[Hawthorn]

IDK -- we already have two vanillas

 

[The Wizard]

Okay if I switch my item to something in the same scene as my character?

 

[Hawthorn]

There are prison guards in the game, they would be the jailors. But if it was you, Fate, the flavor could be that you went dancing with them?

 

[Hawthorn]

It's a big risk, because roles can check the items, isn't that the entire reason we went with those flavor claims in the first place?

Okay if I switch my item to something in the same scene as my character?

 

[Hawthorn]

I'm going to name claim and tease the chat listener role by saying I think it could be more helpful after another day (implying I haven't caught anyone with it), but that I'll claim if asked. I can't think of a better option. We shouldn't have three vanilla claims

 

[FateShirou]

 

[Hawthorn]

LMK if you have concerns about that plan, I'll wait to go.

 

[FateShirou]

I'm going to name claim and tease the chat listener role by saying I think it could be more helpful after another day (implying I haven't caught anyone with it), but that I'll claim if asked. I can't think of a better option. We shouldn't have three vanilla claims

alright i think you can play this off
you claim chat listener and i will claim vanilla and not jailer

 

[The Wizard]

Thinking vanilla cop could work with the amount of vanillas.
Thinking on jailor a bit more. Better to delay the claims than get stuck with something we're not happy with.

 

[Hawthorn]

Vanilla cop would be like they can check who's vanilla?

 

[Hawthorn]

WTF WE KILLED HIM

 

[The Wizard]

It's a big risk, because roles can check the items, isn't that the entire reason we went with those flavor claims in the first place?

Yeah based on Chuggs claim I think there is one more ghost who might have seen it. But TWE is gonna grill on flavor if it doesn't match which is a bit awkward.

 

[Hawthorn]

Hopefully Zeke's just posting by mistake, if not I'm super annoyed.

I don't love the check-who's-vanilla role b/c it feels like a scum role. It's essentially a less powerful flavor cop

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah based on Chuggs claim I think there is one more ghost who might have seen it. But TWE is gonna grill on flavor if it doesn't match which is a bit awkward.

Go for it if you want to, but I think you could play it off based on it being a toy. I see what you mean about TWE and his flavor though

 

[The Wizard]

It's usually a town role I think, sometimes called Neopolitan https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neapolitan

 

[Hawthorn]

Never heard of that, but in games here I've only ever seen flavor cop as a scum role.

 

[The Wizard]

For office bailey if you want to be non vanilla you can do an odd night weak-willed jailkeeper. Your target is roleblocked/protected but if they perform a killing action they'll kill you instead of being blocked.

Needs to have drawback to fit in overall I guess. But vanilla seems fine with other roles claimed so far too.

 

[Hawthorn]

I want to do the chat listener role -- what's the issue with it?

 

[FateShirou]

follow ur heart haw
claim the role you beleaf you have not the one you actually have
:worrysalute

 

[Hawthorn]

Fate, you could be the vanilla cop instead of the jailer if you like that role. Just need to think back what the checks would have been

 

[The Wizard]

I want to do the chat listener role -- what's the issue with it?

Maybe a flavor issue, maybe a conflict with the chat creator. Otherwise should be okay. Do what you feel comfort in speaking to.

 

[FateShirou]

my item claim would be jail cell keys

 

[The Wizard]

Another idea for Cabanela, watcher who has to alternate between self watching and watching someone else.

 

[Hawthorn]

Good point swamped. Fate, you could claim watcher

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, I like that alternating thing, because that's fewer nights you have to account for XD

 

[FateShirou]

Alright
N1: Nin
N2: Self
N3: Zeke

 

[FateShirou]

FK TWE claimed something close to a watcher
sheeesh this game

 

[Hawthorn]

Assuming you keep that claim for now, who would you be saying visited Zeke?? That would be the smoking gun

 

[Hawthorn]

Back to jailor idea? Or vanilla? Vanilla cop?

I think I might be able to get away without actually elaborating on my own claim.

 

[The Wizard]

I kinda like jailor, do odd night and you just need to think of the people you found most supsicious on day 1 and day 3.

 

[FateShirou]

Assuming you keep that claim for now, who would you be saying visited Zeke?? That would be the smoking gun

Oh right lol
The wine hits hard on pasta night

 

[Hawthorn]

Right, but no one who's been the target of or performed a night action.

Would be awesome if it was me you jailed one night, then I won't need a claim for that night

 

[Hawthorn]

I'm glad you've moved past white claw to real drinks XD

Oh right lol
The wine hits hard on pasta night

 

[FateShirou]

Would be awesome if it was me you jailed one night, then I won't need a claim for that night

Alright you night one and night two I did nothing and night three I jailed one of the vanilla people that wasn’t item watched

 

[Hawthorn]

Who were you suspicious of D1? Could be you jailed one of them N1 and me N3? Risky if someone checked me, but whatever

 

[The Wizard]

Looking at Chuggs reads and think you were right on killing him D:

 

[FateShirou]

Who were you suspicious of D1? Could be you jailed one of them N1 and me N3? Risky if someone checked me, but whatever

Pretty sure I called you out on pushing Nin day 1 or something

 

[Hawthorn]

Alright you night one and night two I did nothing and night three I jailed one of the vanilla people that wasn’t item watched

Yeah that works too. Who's claimed vanilla? Swamped, Wizard, VA. Swamped is probably best bet. TWE checked her N2. You could say it was a protective jail, b/c she was highly town read

 

[FateShirou]

Looking at Chuggs reads and think you were right on killing him D:

Zeke could have truffleshuffled us

 

[FateShirou]

Yeah that works too. Who's claimed vanilla? Swamped, Wizard, VA. Swamped is probably best bet. TWE checked her N2. You could say it was a protective jail, b/c she was highly town read

Perfect claim all worked out and when the heat gets hot. I will pull it out like how I pull out my degenerate card on discord

 

[Hawthorn]

OK let's stick with that for now. VA is also a potential option for the N3 jail. And the flavor can be that you took the person you jailed out dancing with you?

 

[Hawthorn]

Did Chuggs gain a new power overnight or something? How are his reads like this ... he was in such a workable place yesterday!

 

[The Wizard]

OK let's stick with that for now. VA is also a potential option for the N3 jail. And the flavor can be that you took the person you jailed out dancing with you?

He claimed Bailey already so it can just be putting them in a cell as a prison guard.

 

[Hawthorn]

Argh, missed that. OK, yeah, that then.

 

[The Wizard]

Having 2nd thoughts about the complexity of the claims with the pressure being on the two of you, don't want to stick out once all the claims are on the board.

Maybe Officer Bailey is just vanilla? Pairs with Bailey's friend, same way my vanilla claim pairs with Sparks?

@Hawthorn any thoughts on a motion detector with a potential contradiction on nin?

 

[Hawthorn]

What do you mean about contradiction on nin?

 

[The Wizard]

Push wise, I think one path would be to see if we can turn Swamped on Chuggs to create fiction. I'll probably buddy up and pursue similar angles to Chuggs and push you as my first choice Haw. Then hope that Swamped takes her town read of you and has some paranoia me and Chuggs are teamed to create a choice for town to make.

What do you mean about contradiction on nin?

Thinking nin was vanilla and you could claim movement detected. But missed that TWE is a tracker and targeted him night 1 so that wouldn't be a red on its own.

 

[Hawthorn]

Not sure about that. That's another role than can be very easily caught in an inconsistency. I'd personally rather stick with the plan, but I also think I may not have to claim just yet.

You should feel free to bus me, but I'm not following the logic of that turning swamped against Chuggs, I don't think that'll follow

 

[Hawthorn]

Watcher/tracker roles are tough for fake claims, because all it takes is one person to claim a movement in a way that isn't accounted for and you're in a thunderdome. I'd rather not go that risky with us all suspected. I think jailor is fairly safe, but I could see Fate going vanilla if he'd rather also -- there's still room for more

 

[The Wizard]

Not sure about that. That's another role than can be very easily caught in an inconsistency.

For sure, but seems like almost all of the town info is out in the open so the chance of getting tripped up is low. Say it's odd night you can have N1: nin: movement and I think we could figure out what the result would be for anyone N3 based on who you were most suspicious of at that time (maybe that's nin again and maybe that's where there's a thunderdome if you want one or maybe it just checks out)
Motion detector fits the design well because there is a good mix of vanillas and red herrings for movement around the place, so it is in the same power range as most roles we can see. Also works for your half-claim because you still have the power to catch someone in a lie based on past movements or in the future.

I'd personally rather stick with the plan

So for chat spy I think the following could be issues:

• If anyone remembers the scum game you were in where that was a prominent role they can maybe trace the inspiration (I would prob raise this as town, unsure who else living was in it)
• Why is detective mccaw a chat spy? I guess because he is a cop, but the flavor is weaker than other things we've seen.
• The chat creator being unaccounted for looks scummy, so having a chat based role might look like you are really that role.
  • Additionally won't have any snippets from the chuggs/geno chat - which is fine, it would be random - but people might question why you didn't ask chuggs or geno questions around your n2 snippet

Unsure on the chat creator piece - could be nin, could be not a role at all.

but I also think I may not have to claim just yet.

Yeah maybe, might circle back to you once everyone is out there and someone is trying to write a list and getting annoyed you are coy at this stage of the game.

You should feel free to bus me, but I'm not following the logic of that turning swamped against Chuggs, I don't think that'll follow

I don't think Swamped will vote Chuggs, but having some friction between louder players would be ideal cause otherwise it's just Chuggs filling up space on you and if he looks townier people will follow. Can't really write a big case on nin or VA who have not said or done as much, so getting Swamped closer to looking through Chuggs posts gives some nice noise and breathing room I think.

 

[The Wizard]

Watcher/tracker roles are tough for fake claims, because all it takes is one person to claim a movement in a way that isn't accounted for and you're in a thunderdome. I'd rather not go that risky with us all suspected. I think jailor is fairly safe, but I could see Fate going vanilla if he'd rather also -- there's still room for more

Agreed on watcher or tracker, I think motion detector is a little easier since the result is binary and easy to work out with claimed roles.

Regarding jailor, just worried it seems a bit strong (roleblocking + protection) and could look like scum roleblock cover. Also don't love the optics if you are one of the targets since you and Fate are being put together today.

 

[The Wizard]

Morning murder friends

1. Don't think I've said enough how much fun this game has been, thank you both as well as Rando and team. Been fun to uncover the flavor and see our murder plots succeed and backfire
2. Sorry again for talking us out of a Chuggs kill
3. I think I like odd-night jailkeeper best for Fate. I like a restriction like "You are weak-willed and if your target performs a killing action your target will not be roleblocked and will target you instead"
4. I'm less sold on the chat spy with no one claiming chat maker. Wtf happened with the chat maker? Maybe it was Swamped?
5. Haw I think Swamped expects another movement role so Motion Detector could win her over more. If you don't like it we can workshop further.
6. We're in an awkward spot with ghosts because 2 of us have claimed items that don't quite match the flavor and can get caught out. We need to kill TWE or Chuggs tonight, and the one we don't kill can check those items. But Amelie having a toy guitar or Bailey having a red scarf would be called out as dodgy by TWE so I guess we're stuck with this. Like the Ring of keys for Bailey

 

[The Wizard]

Regarding pushes for the day, I'm thinking we should make it a Wiz Vs Haw showdown with me taking the fall? I think my flip opens up the most paths tomorrow whereas there's a chance they chain the two of you by following Chuggs.
Don't bother playing defense with Chuggs, I don't think you can change his mind and all it does is put the spotlight on you.
Haw I think Swamped trusts you a good bit. You've put me and Chuggs down as town but if you want to work towards pointing out weird stuff about the two of us do you think you could get closer to a scum read on either one?
There's a ton of weird stuff with Chuggs between the chat stuff, how his scum read is based so heavily on day 3 where he showed doubt but didn't do anything to press Geno or talk with LP and just hesitated while still saying it had to be LP, his role could be scummy if he swapped the night kills item with a towny for TWE to find etc.

Trying to see if you can get me to flip and have it seem like I have a team among Chuggs/nin/VA for tomorrow.
If I flip with the strong kill a jail roleclaim will look more plausible.

 

[Hawthorn]

About roles:

Known roles and town claims:
-Geno: hunter
-LP: 2-shot cop with restrictions
-Salva: bodyguard
-Zook: fruit ventor
-Hedin: unable to be protected (negative value role)
-TWE: item watcher/"mover", ghost
-Zeke: self-watcher, but only for ghosts
-Chuggs: item watcher/switcher, ghost
-Vanillas: Swamped, nin, Sparks, VA

Everyone has claimed, which means that the chat creator is hiding for some reason. Neutral? Kingkitty???

Claims:
-Wizard: neutral
-Hawthorn: chat listener, or movement detector
-Fate: jailor, or vanilla

I think we're all agreed about odd-night jailor working for Fate at this point. I also think the planned list of roles he checked would be ok, including the interaction with me. We have been suspected as being a team, but conspicuously avoiding interaction at this point would be more suspicious. It's also a pretty small game.

For me:
I don't want to sound too attached to my idea, but I do have concerns about the movement detector claim, because I actually feel like there have been a lot of movement-watching roles already. TWE and Chuggs are both item trackers, and Zeke was also a self-watcher. I also think the flavor for chat listener is ok (yes, because he's a cop), and and whatever I heard N2 can have been kind of obviously from the scum chat, such that I wouldn't have wondered if it was Chuggs/Geno. Something about Zook as a kill target maybe. I also think my claim could focus the attention on the missing chat creator, putting pressure on them to claim. If it turns out they can also see their chat, fine.

An alternative claim, though, would be something to do with items. There have been a lot of roles involving messing around with items, but none that involve actually using items. However I can't think what exactly. If either of you has a good idea, I would totally go for it. TBH I really want to try out chat spy, I think it could work, but I also don't want to disregard your concerns, Wizard, and just blaze ahead with it. Fate, you should feel free to weigh in BTW! If you also think motion detector is the best option, definitely say, it's still in the running.

About the plan for today:
I agree that swamped seems to have a lot of trust in me, and she herself is highly town read, so that's something that should be useful. The issue is at this point I feel like Fate is closer to the chopping block than Wizard, so I'm not sure that sequence will play out. I had been thinking that nin and VA are both good miselim targets. Not sure I can make the swing for chuggs. I said a bunch of times that I townread him, so it's going to look very OMGUS, but I see what you mean about him having suspicious aspects that were never pointed out, so I will try, at the very least maybe set him up for tomorrow, if we don't kill him tonight.

The plan for tonight:
Totally agreed, either FINALLY Chuggs, or Mr. I-got-an-A+-in-flavor, TWE.

About this game:
Yes, having a great time, especially playing with all of you (and that includes you Rando, in my heart you're rooting for us!)

 

[The Wizard]

I think we're all agreed about odd-night jailor working for Fate at this point. I also think the planned list of roles he checked would be ok, including the interaction with me. We have been suspected as being a team, but conspicuously avoiding interaction at this point would be more suspicious. It's also a pretty small game.

What about nin or me for the n1?
Top wagons seem plausible as a suspect to block, idk if Fate had any opinion on you D1.
Also for chat spy (or Infiltrator as it has been called before) not sure the jail should block the ability since it should be a passive at day start AFAIK.

I don't want to sound too attached to my idea, but I do have concerns about the movement detector claim, because I actually feel like there have been a lot of movement-watching roles already. TWE and Chuggs are both item trackers, and Zeke was also a self-watcher

TWE is an item tracker. Chuggs interacts with the item, but not with movement. Zeke was able to see if he alone was visited by ghosts. So think there is room for one more, and motion is the only thing that would interact with the vanillas which are kinda just there on their own at the moment.

I also think the flavor for chat listener is ok (yes, because he's a cop), and and whatever I heard N2 can have been kind of obviously from the scum chat, such that I wouldn't have wondered if it was Chuggs/Geno. Something about Zook as a kill target maybe. I also think my claim could focus the attention on the missing chat creator, putting pressure on them to claim. If it turns out they can also see their chat, fine.

I do think it's a cool idea. One thing to call out is can you speak to it if pressured e.g why hold onto that info for so long, why think it would be useful to not reveal so close to end game vs sharing and having town analyses the messages, how did the message you got each day inform your play for that day etc. I think it has more moving pieces. Maybe it gets you heat as the chat creator, which pushes the real one out of the woodwork but just be prepared for more scrutiny on it since it's a bit more out there.

An alternative claim, though, would be something to do with items. There have been a lot of roles involving messing around with items, but none that involve actually using items. However I can't think what exactly. If either of you has a good idea, I would totally go for it. TBH I really want to try out chat spy, I think it could work, but I also don't want to disregard your concerns, Wizard, and just blaze ahead with it. Fate, you should feel free to weigh in BTW! If you also think motion detector is the best option, definitely say, it's still in the running.

Problem I'm having with an item role is they have all been ghosts so far. Could be an item checker that checks to see if the item someone is holding is the one they started the game with, but that's similar to what TWE has. Plus you have the complexity of what items you checked when etc. Not sure if there is a good angle with the item stuff.

Good point with Fate, Fate what would you trust more as a claim here a chat spy or a motion detector?

I agree that swamped seems to have a lot of trust in me, and she herself is highly town read, so that's something that should be useful. The issue is at this point I feel like Fate is closer to the chopping block than Wizard, so I'm not sure that sequence will play out. I had been thinking that nin and VA are both good miselim targets. Not sure I can make the swing for chuggs. I said a bunch of times that I townread him, so it's going to look very OMGUS, but I see what you mean about him having suspicious aspects that were never pointed out, so I will try, at the very least maybe set him up for tomorrow, if we don't kill him tonight.

Yeah I just want more discussion out there to open up more routes. nin and VA could be possible, particularly as a 2nd elim after one of us. Good points on TWE claiming with no additional info today too. Agree Chuggs is tough sell, even just set up to open up some distrust on him would help I think.
Would you worry about OMGUS as town? Situation as town is town is about to lose unless they make the right choice several times, I think going back over the options and adjusting reads will be fine.
Chat creator could be an opening to suspect Chuggs, if you feel like they could be a scum role. Scum Chuggs keeps "cop" Geno alive if he thinks he has a green check on him and is going to green check LP instead of a red on a team mate.

 

[The Wizard]

Also should I push for both of you to expand on your claims in the game thread? Feels a bit conspicuous to miss those while I ask others, but I get that we're still finalizing.

 

[Hawthorn]

Do whatever you would naturally do as town, I'm not planning to claim unless town read people pressure me.

 

[Hawthorn]

Fate suspected me N1, and did not suspect nin, that was part of our whole discussion earlier here, leading up to the decision of me N1, one of the vanillas N3.

The infiltrator claim is a night ability, even if it doesn't involve an action, so yes, it would be blocked.

My reason for hanging on to the claim would be that I hoped I would get a smoking gun from scum chat, but after the claim they'll know to be circumspect, not use names, etc.

Good point about the item-related roles being ghosts.

I definitely would worry about omgus as town, but I've opened the door to suspecting chuggs, think I can get there.

 

[The Wizard]

Fate suspected me N1, and did not suspect nin, that was part of our whole discussion earlier here, leading up to the decision of me N1, one of the vanillas N3.

Hmm took a look to make sure, maybe I missed it?
Fate on you

Hae why would town say "im scum"?

vs on nin

No, It's Nin who is scum this time and is trying to grasp straws and try to put Geno in a bad light

memey

i like what wiz has posted compared to nin, but im not sure about chugg's position as well as hedins

slight sus of nin

A jail of nin would weaken the non movement town read from TWE. Also Fate is supposedly more sus of me and more trusting of nin from day 2 which can fit.

The infiltrator claim is a night ability, even if it doesn't involve an action, so yes, it would be blocked.

Checked maols role from the other game, you are right:

You are Griffinkey and you are a 2 shot Infiltrator!

You are aligned with town!

During the night use the command My Chat Senses are Tingling! (Mino will get this :kanna:) At actions lock you will receive one random post from a game related thread on OuterMafia.

My reason for hanging on to the claim would be that I hoped I would get a smoking gun from scum chat, but after the claim they'll know to be circumspect, not use names, etc.

Good point about the item-related roles being ghosts.

I definitely would worry about omgus as town, but I've opened the door to suspecting chuggs, think I can get there.

Good with all this

 

[The Wizard]

So to recap last things to nail down:

• Fates n1 target (odd-night jailkeeper, n3 is a protect on swamped)
• If Haw should claim chat spy or motion detector

@FateShirou thoughts?

 

[Hawthorn]

Hmm took a look to make sure, maybe I missed it?
Fate on you

IDK it was fate who said that XD

TY for the recap. I'll be in & out until tomorrow morning for RL reasons but will check in when I can

 

[The Wizard]

Ah with the not visiting you may as well go chat spy.
Liked the suggestion of grabbing something for the Zook kill. TWE drew attention to his role hint so could tie back that snippet to who might have picked up on that.

Like nin more for a n1 jail. Kinda awkward if you corroborate a block and the flip with an even night role.

 

[FateShirou]

So to recap last things to nail down:

• Fates n1 target (odd-night jailkeeper, n3 is a protect on swamped)
• If Haw should claim chat spy or motion detector

@FateShirou thoughts?

sounds good

 

[FateShirou]

N1: Nin
N2: Relaxing with rando
N3: Swamped (protect)

 

[Hawthorn]

Ah with the not visiting you may as well go chat spy.
Liked the suggestion of grabbing something for the Zook kill. TWE drew attention to his role hint so could tie back that snippet to who might have picked up on that.

Like nin more for a n1 jail. Kinda awkward if you corroborate a block and the flip with an even night role.

Argh, sorry, in my mind when I posted motion detector was also not visiting because it's passive, but of course it would be. Blind spot.

 

[Hawthorn]

@Randomless may I directly quote chat excerpts that I made up, or should I "paraphrase"? To be clear these would be fake

 

[Randomless]

You can't directly quote, even if it's a fake quote. You can paraphrase.

 

[The Wizard]

if one of you is claiming you should stagger it out. Otherwise it looks like you both settled on your fake claim at the same time. I guess Fate is more "in-thread" right now

 

[Hawthorn]

Thinking of putting a shot limit on my claim. Three-shot feels right, but I would have had to hold back one night -- not sure why I would do that

 

[Hawthorn]

Not looking good. Swamped is now suspicious of exactly the correct scum team.

 

[Hawthorn]

How did things go from so good to so bad :-( :-( :-(

 

[Hawthorn]

I think holding the shot works if it’s from a chat that happened that day/night, or even if I only thought it did. Then I can say I held the shot n1 hoping to use it at a more opportune time

 

[Hawthorn]

Agree fate should claim first. I’m about to go get groceries anyway