Pair Thread THE LOVE BOAT... OF INFLATABLE BOAT!

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Our boat floats another day.

 

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Not a big fan of Cruise's post here against Galleon. It's such lowhanging fruit to grasp on to https://www.outermafia.com/threads/949/post-161490

I do like HB's big reads list and vote. They wen't against the grain in some aspects which I appreciated - but I'm still wary. However, claiming Doc should clear itself up soon enough. https://www.outermafia.com/threads/949/post-161525

More fuel for the Houseboat/Yacht W/W Fire https://www.outermafia.com/threads/949/post-161540

What do you think of this from Yacht? Their dislike of Houseboat's claim. https://www.outermafia.com/threads/949/post-161593

'if i were to believe HB's claim' is a weird way to frame that, Beluga. https://www.outermafia.com/threads/949/post-161607
(also, did beluga townread galleon? cant remember, but they should given this reasoning for us https://www.outermafia.com/threads/949/post-161649 )

Just a general vibe from Skiff that they did not care how EOD went. Neutral/Scum?

Gondola's vote felt oppertunistic. Would need to look back and see how they evolved and got there

Why did people want to kill Kayak?

I don't know if I like Lifeboat tbh. vibes.

I keep flip flopping on Yacht's last 2 posts there. Part of me likes it (they seem to actually be looking) but part of me dislikes how they didnt answer the question of believing HB's claim or not. Plus they didn't move their vote when they were at death's door - trying to look good against killing a townie? Unsure.

notes for me to look into:
Did lifeboat ever give a read on Galleon before close to EOD? Or Houseboat?
Check in on that Beluga thing above re; their read on Galleon.
Figure out Yacht's alignment - if this was a town/town last minute spread we could figure out a lot.

notes for me;

look into Gondola's vote still.
figure out lifeboat vibes.
kayak ??

 

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So maybe mafia have a roleblocker and can kick the can down the road.

I guess that makes sense.

This killed me...lol.

 

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did...did lifeboat slip the fakeclaim? or did they just 100% misread and make up info?

 

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Let me catch up with what just happened. I've been compiling this long back-and-forth with Kayak and Beluga Whale that I want to ponder, or at least I want to be able to go back to it at a later time and ponder:

If I were to believe HB's claim then my vote is going to be between Kayak and Inflatable. They both were scum reading HB but Inflatable's insistence is more odd if knowing HB will flip town. Seeing as Kayak is in contention I'll go there for now.

Vote: Kayak

1. Why are you voting for me?
2. It seems my vote was on Yacht, not HB. So why are you voting for me(who didnt have a vote on HB) isntead of Inflatable, who did have a vote on HB before the claim?
3. "inflatables insistence is more odd if they knew HB would flip town" makes no sense. Anytime scum would vote for town, they would know they are flipping a townie.

Hardly any time later, before Beluga has responded:

@Beluga Whale There's still over an hour before eod, there is nothing stopping you from making a case on inflatable if you truly feel they are scummy.

Beluga then responded:

1. Read post #443 for my thoughts on you. If HB is town that makes me look for people who either wanted an easy vote or interacted weirdly.
2. Your initial vote was on HB but you changed to Yacht later on (tbf you mentioned wanting to vote Yacht and would like to in the same post you voted HB). The initial reasoning for your HB vote, to push it to contentious territory against Sub, made little sense and seemed to be testing the waters.
3. What I mean by that is being hardline from start to finish against someone you know is going to flip town is an odd scum strategy.

There's nothing stopping me, true, but why do you think I feel Inflatable is more apt than you to vote? I feel that there's something there but qualified it with you being the more odd one out of the two for how you backed down quickly on HB in comparison.

2. I didnt make the votes so cant comment on it
3. Scum tunneling on someone they know will flip town is not odd scum strategy, it's fairly common.

Perhaps, I just thought it would be very bold to do. What are your thoughts on Galleon?

As far as I can see, Kayak never responded.

 

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Ummmm....

I cannot find any single mention of 2 shot.

 

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okay so either lifeboat:

made up info and they are town
are scum and they have a role cop, hence why the found it
are scum with HB and slipped the fakeclaim way too early.

 

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The silence in the game thread is killing me. lol. Going to go back and re-read Lifeboat now.

 

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IF Lifeboat is scum, their posts end of day can come off like panicked scum really nervous how the tides were going to turn. I feel like I've seen that same panic a billion times from scum. They were all too glad to see things shift and hammer Ghaleon, which to me would point to Yacht truly being scum.

 

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it's either a hell of a slip to crack the game wide open or we're going to tumble down the rabbithole of no return

 

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If it's a slip, I feel so bad for that partner. They about to get tossed over the Lifeboat. Only possible return is to say, "Oh, whoops. I swear they said 2-shot. My mistake." Then we all sit and stare at one another for 48 hours trying to figure that shit out.

 

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If it's a slip, I feel so bad for that partner. They about to get tossed over the Lifeboat. Only possible return is to say, "Oh, whoops. I swear they said 2-shot. My mistake." Then we all sit and stare at one another for 48 hours trying to figure that shit out.

lmao, yeah. but i would still question why they asked the 2-shot for who they protected at day start. that seems not good

 

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lmao, yeah. but i would still question why they asked the 2-shot for who they protected at day start. that seems not good

Oh lord. That was Lifeboat who asked that, wasn't it. Welp.

 

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IF Lifeboat is scum, their posts end of day can come off like panicked scum really nervous how the tides were going to turn. I feel like I've seen that same panic a billion times from scum. They were all too glad to see things shift and hammer Ghaleon, which to me would point to Yacht truly being scum.

good catch btw. i could see this happening if lifeboat is scum

 

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I've gotta head out in a minute to go look at another house. In my head, I imagine I'm going to come back to---

 

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Hahahaha. Very likely, yeah.

Have fun looking at the house!

 

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I think ultimately it does not affect my read very much at the moment though I will certainly keep it in the back of my mind for later if Lifeboat starts acting stranger.

Fasciating.

So either HB is a full Doc and they see this as just a misread so it's a nothingburger.

OR they are trying to salvage it with their m8. Would be interesting to know if they ARE x-shot or not

 

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gonna be busy for a bit but im happy so many have gotten back and made comments. i will make a big 'these are our tinfoil hat theories' post when i get back.

but if you are here before me, what do you think with all the responses now? Yacht, Lifeboat, and HB

 

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more of an addition to when you return:

I'm unsure if LIfeboat is lying? I agree with Cruise it's wither T/T or W/W. So it's just if we think Lifeboat is lying here.

 

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Yum yum yum...Just done cookin' and chowin' down some delicious enchiladas. Time to catch up!

 

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My kneejerk reaction to this---

I think ultimately it does not affect my read very much at the moment though I will certainly keep it in the back of my mind for later if Lifeboat starts acting stranger.

---is, "How much stranger they gotta get?!" They ask for your target the start of the day, then this slip up. Come on now!

 

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Blah. I hate posts like this:

Not gonna lie guys everyone being boat varieties has confused the hell out of me and I don't remember shit. I might replace out.

The "might replace out" really fucks with reads. Either you should or shouldn't. Please don't talk about.

 

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more of an addition to when you return:

I'm unsure if LIfeboat is lying? I agree with Cruise it's wither T/T or W/W. So it's just if we think Lifeboat is lying here.

So....this is tough because I think the 2-shot comment was a genuine misread and mess up, BUT I don't necessarily think Lifeboat is town? If they are scum, I don't think that is the post to damn them for it. If that makes any sense.

Let's think about this:

We never vote houseboat without a counter claim (wait until day 3) or we see a flip that contradicts.

For why they didn't die. Mafia saw they claimed 2 shot and decided they could live with it. Was Jet ski the person you thought was going to die last night? I mean they were decently town read but i wouldn't put them as top town.

of course we could be wrong about submarine and keeping doctor alive gives more plausibility for them to continue in the game.

hrmmmm

 

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Houseboat. Are they scum? Is that a fake claim? A lot hinges on that. A fake claim of doctor is a wild claim. Very dangerous. Has this ever paid off for scum? Like....ever? No one would counter-claim. Every time a Cop or Doctor claim comes out, the room just about always yells DO NOT COUNTER-CLAIM. So why the shit would scum do so? It just seems needlessly risky and dumb considering. Tell me if I'm way wrong here.

BUT ALSO, now that I think about it, if I were the real doctor and HB claim is fake? Honestly, I would counter-claim. Especially at this point. It would help clear a whole bunch of shit up.

 

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I notice weird innocuous things sometimes. Right now, it's:

You can vote submarine out now. You need to wait until day 3 and call them the deep mafia before voting for them.

It could be a fake claim. But let's say we have a doctor. What benefit do we get from outing them right now? The whole point of a doctor is to get a save and counterclaiming removes that possibility. If there is a doctor battle to be had it can be on day 3.

We never vote houseboat without a counter claim (wait until day 3) or we see a flip that contradicts.

For why they didn't die. Mafia saw they claimed 2 shot and decided they could live with it. Was Jet ski the person you thought was going to die last night? I mean they were decently town read but i wouldn't put them as top town.

of course we could be wrong about submarine and keeping doctor alive gives more plausibility for them to continue in the game.

What is with Lifeboat bringing up Day 3?

 

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Houseboat. Are they scum? Is that a fake claim? A lot hinges on that. A fake claim of doctor is a wild claim. Very dangerous. Has this ever paid off for scum? Like....ever? No one would counter-claim. Every time a Cop or Doctor claim comes out, the room just about always yells DO NOT COUNTER-CLAIM. So why the shit would scum do so? It just seems needlessly risky and dumb considering. Tell me if I'm way wrong here.

BUT ALSO, now that I think about it, if I were the real doctor and HB claim is fake? Honestly, I would counter-claim. Especially at this point. It would help clear a whole bunch of shit up.

I would give it a day or two before counterclaiming to get some protections out of the way. The best case scenario if I were Doc is to get NKed myself so people immediately know Houseboat is lying without having to claim outright.

But I do think a real doc would be heavily hinting now to follow up on HB and get him out. I don't think they take this much farther.

So....it kinda leaves us with HB being honest. Or Town has no Doc and Scum got lucky as hell.

 

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I would give it a day or two before counterclaiming to get some protections out of the way. The best case scenario if I were Doc is to get NKed myself so people immediately know Houseboat is lying without having to claim outright.

But I do think a real doc would be heavily hinting now to follow up on HB and get him out. I don't think they take this much farther.

So....it kinda leaves us with HB being honest. Or Town has no Doc and Scum got lucky as hell.

God, that would be shit luck if we had no doc. Lol. Let's pretend that isn't true. I completely agree---someone at minimum would be hinting unless they were very, very weary. Yacht is only one I can think of who strongly called out the claim at first, but I think it was more annoyance at Doc/Cop claims saving people.

 

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So....I think we need to press forward that Houseboat is truthful. However, if we need to, a wild part of me could push Houseboat claim as scum to see who follows? Scum might have a very hard time resisting if we set them up for Hboat.

 

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God, that would be shit luck if we had no doc. Lol. Let's pretend that isn't true. I completely agree---someone at minimum would be hinting unless they were very, very weary. Yacht is only one I can think of who strongly called out the claim at first, but I think it was more annoyance at Doc/Cop claims saving people.

Yeah. Which in a weird way this thing with Lifeboat helps us out in the longrun.

Say Houseboat is scum, got lucky with no town doc, and doesnt die. They could've claimed on D3 that they were actually a 2-shot and are now out, meaning they have an excuse for living since 'scum wouldnt kill a shotless Doc'. If they try that now after not pushing Lifeboat? Sus as fuck. So if Houseboat ever claims x-shot I would 100% murder them.

 

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So....I think we need to press forward that Houseboat is truthful. However, if we need to, a wild part of me could push Houseboat claim as scum to see who follows? Scum might have a very hard time resisting if we set them up for Hboat.

I think I'm in this spot too.

I would hold back on a houseboat claim push. as much as i would want to see who follows, town seems aimless right now and i'd rather they coalesce into something outside of this possible T/T pair.

i kinda wanna push skiff even though thats easy. im fairly certain Signature Skiff is nin

 

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Roger roger. The only problem with Skiff, and Kayak a tad but less so, is they've been a bit uhh...prickly. That prickliness could also be an easy thing for scum to latch onto and push. Hrmmm

 

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Lemme get my head straight with where we are in terms of clears/reads. maybe that'll help lol

 

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My paranoid read that I haven't read much of---Rubber Duck. When I get some time tonight, I think they are who I want to look over.

 

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And of course that post about Rubber Duck now....lol

 

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i had a post ready for here and refreshed to see if you responded ; _____ ;

recreated from memory;

Town -> Scum

Houseboat (Doc Claim) - uncountered doc claim
Lifeboat - I believe they are the same alignment as Houseboat - therefore town

Submarine - Good start, softer now though
Duck - I remember liking but i would need to look

Yacht - central to day 1 end of day. T/T?

Gondola - Need to look
Kayak - Samesies
Cruise Ship - Ehhhhh
Beluga - also ehhhhhhhhhhh but better?

Skiff - Uninterested. Neutral?

 

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OKay. I'm back. Sittin' in bed on my laptop. Let's see if I can stumble on anything interesting while re-reading.

 

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OKay. I'm back. Sittin' in bed on my laptop. Let's see if I can stumble on anything interesting while re-reading.

good luck! hoping you do, i could use some guidance lol.

think ima try focusing on gondola and kayak today.

and....i think yacht is town. gut call.

 

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Do you have any clue who Kayak is? At least, the kayak rating memes out of 10? Because:

Lifeboats are orange.

this guy is mafia

Lifeboat specifically responds to Kayak with "this guy" day 1, but that could be simply because it's so obvious who Kayak is. Or they know from scum chat.

 

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And sorry---I just throw a ton of crap at the wall just in case something trips any kind of alarms for you. Or even myself later on.

 

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Do you have any clue who Kayak is? At least, the kayak rating memes out of 10? Because:

Lifeboat specifically responds to Kayak with "this guy" day 1, but that could be simply because it's so obvious who Kayak is. Or they know from scum chat.

No clue, but I havent played in ages.

I'd also semi-defend Lifeboat here because i use 'guy/this guy/etc' as gender neutral often. even when i dont realize it. could just be habit

 

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Hey no worries, that's how i play lol. lot of random thoughts and notes together until something peaks through.

speaking of, im going to go chill and play some games then sleep. here is where i'm at right now, in order. would love to know where your head is at regarding scum leans/reads;

Town -> Scum

Houseboat (Doc Claim) - uncountered doc claim
Lifeboat - I believe they are the same alignment as Houseboat - therefore town

Submarine - Good start, softer now though
Yacht - central to day 1 end of day. T/T? Strong D2 so far, and i believe the ‘didnt see the time’ thing for Day End (NAI).
Beluga - Townish but with hesitation. Passive writing feels odd.

Duck - I remember liking but i would need to look

Cruise Ship - Ehhhhh
Gondola - Need to look
Kayak - Samesies

Skiff - Uninterested. Neutral?

 

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Enjoy. I'm going to hang out for a bit just reading hoping to come up with at least something. For now, I can say that I think I agree on Houseboat and Lifeboat. I think I'm still comfortable keeping Submarine in town list as well. Everyone else---might be scum.

 

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I do feel better about Gondola. They claimed their partner wasn't around much for D1, and that they were now going to be around more. And then from that post onwards you do see more energy---more prodding and scum hunting. This last post in response to the tie they caused:

I think my other half ate the notification for this, my bad.

While the vote caused a tie, I wasn't trying to achieve anything by creating a tie in that sense as much as i had been pretty settled on the idea houseboat would be resolved and the day phase was probably wrapped up so i went away from the game for awhile. Then I came back and realised i was going to have to squeeze in some reading and figure out who was the best vote I could make in the time I had to play , so i was mostly just focused on making that happen and and getting the vote i came to down asap so that i didnt cause anytihng like a draw in the last minute. There wasnt any process like "if there's a draw i will see what x does so ill go or that" or that kind of thing.

As for how the vote did play out, i posted earlier that i didn't really understand why neither you nor Galleon moved, it was kind of odd really. You posted you lost track of the time which is what it is, i can only say okay to that part and consider the other possibilities,. Without knowing your alignmemt it's hard to pull too much meaning from it yet. Form your perspective you should know its TvT so what do you think about the movement and how it played out?

This kind of post reminds me of townie me. Just off the cuff, genuine town rambling. I think I feel a lot better about them in D2.

 

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I dunno. Cruise Ship is just setting off all kinds of weird flags. I would not be against a pressure vote there.

 

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I do think Yacht needs solved also. I'm leaning Yacht vs Cruise Ship.

 

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Gondola came in strong this morning furthering my town lean there. It certainly looks like the foundation has been laid for a Cruise Ship vote, which weirdly enough gives me pause even though I wanted to vote there. I'm afraid to drop a vote and start an avalanche. Or maybe a bit more pressure is exactly what we need?

 

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Also, good morning! What game(s) you been playing lately?

 

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Cruise Ship just counter-claimed the doctor. Shit is wild. I gotta get back to work, but....woo. I can't wait to come back to see what the hell has happened.

 

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I dunno. Cruise Ship is just setting off all kinds of weird flags. I would not be against a pressure vote there.

If this claim is real, it explains the weird flags I couldn't put my finger on.

 

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Cruise Ship just counter-claimed the doctor. Shit is wild. I gotta get back to work, but....woo. I can't wait to come back to see what the hell has happened.

 

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WERE WE RIGHT ABOUT LIFEBOAT AND HOUSEBOAT? LETS GO

 

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Lmao. I've been dying to see your response.

 

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I haven't been able to keep up with game thread, but if Cruise is pulling a fast one then this might go down as one of the best Mafia games. I love shenanigans.

 

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Lmao. I've been dying to see your response.

im so glad im wearing a mask in the office again because im grinning like an idiot at work lol.

If Cruise is lying then, well, well played. But a 3-shot even night doc makes no sense in a game this small. i would bet my entire mafia career they meant to claim 2-shot

 

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Beluga feels really good here since the claim. I think I feel good putting them in the town corner now.

So if we're right: Houseboat -> Lifeboat?

After that it gets tricky but we can reread. Maybe Yacht since I think we had a Yacht/Houseboat W/W team for a bit.

 

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That's a hammer lol. Bear is probably sleeping so it'll be a bit.

now what am i gonna do to kill time ; _ ;

Also, good morning! What game(s) you been playing lately?

FInal Fantasy 14 has a 14 day free login compaign right now so I'm taking the most of it until Starfield is on Gamepass. Then it's space time!

 

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My lord. I can't believe that was a fake claim. I'm going to have to ponder that move for a while....If Houseboat was going to go down anyway, it's a win to stall a day, and to get a doc to counter-claim. But....if scum actually got complacent enough to think they had gotten away with it....I don't know if they held their shit together enough to not slip and give away themselves with it. I dunno. This is interesting....Can't wait to dig in tonight.

 

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That's a hammer lol. Bear is probably sleeping so it'll be a bit.

now what am i gonna do to kill time ; _ ;

FInal Fantasy 14 has a 14 day free login compaign right now so I'm taking the most of it until Starfield is on Gamepass. Then it's space time!

Nice. I tried FFXIV back in the day. Got to around level 40, but I really wanted a game that felt like I was playing with someone and not side-by-side with them, if that makes sense? Without missions being shared and all that, I got bored. But I did just get my 50 foot HDMI and USB. cable in the mail today so I can run them from office to living room in prep for Starfield. Tired of sitting in this office to work from home, then also to play games. Now I'll be ready to blast off.

 

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It's a fantastic fake. You either get the real doc to counter OR you get to buy time and live. It's a decent scenario for scum despite still dying by the end of it.

Nice. I tried FFXIV back in the day. Got to around level 40, but I really wanted a game that felt like I was playing with someone and not side-by-side with them, if that makes sense? Without missions being shared and all that, I got bored. But I did just get my 50 foot HDMI and USB. cable in the mail today so I can run them from office to living room in prep for Starfield. Tired of sitting in this office to work from home, then also to play games. Now I'll be ready to blast off.

Yeah, I get you. FF14 is a fun mmo but it's not a co-op game in the way you were looking for.

You getting Starfield fully or on Gamepass? I think if you buy it you get to play it a bit earlier...?

 

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Ughhhh....I wish you didn't tell me I could play early. I was going to use Game Pass. Mrmmmmmmm..

Hrmmmmmm.......

 

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I may be wrong!! Hahaha, I'm not sure on that. I saw folks on Discord saying you can play it early and Gamepass was next week.

 

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You were right...I can start playing tonight. Did you preorder or doing Game Pass?

 

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Oh no, I'm so sorry. Or you're welcome?

I'm waiting for Gamepass. These 14 free days for FF are still going so I'm fine to wait.

 

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I have not much to say about the game rn. I think Lifeboat slipped and I'm going there tomorrow bar something weird.

Cruise is likely dead tho. F

 

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I have not much to say about the game rn. I think Lifeboat slipped and I'm going there tomorrow bar something weird.

Cruise is likely dead tho. F

Slipped with the 2-shot comment?

 

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Slipped with the 2-shot comment?

Yeah. I think they planned a 2 shot claim. Their "I misread the comment" doesn't make much sense when the 2s are clear and next to each other.

 

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I love the game thread being locked so we don't accidentally post, but also really annoying that it stops me from grabbing a quote!

So yeah. Go back to the 2-shot reaction and Houseboat / Lifeboat don't look good. Houseboat is very laid back and robotic with the response. "I did not claim X shot." Then throws some shade at Lifeboat by claiming they might have been projecting earlier reads. But then Houseboat says:

That is a bit strange but I can accept a brainfart, it would be quite hypocritical of me otherwise.

From ISOing Lifeboat they had a pretty townie Day 1. They were concerned with finding scum. They were quite consistent on thinking Kayak, Galleon, and Yacht were scum so no strange votes. They had a high post count which I know of course is not perfectly indicative of town but is more often than not during early game. I respect that they took lengths to avoid a tie at day end. Scum can want to avoid ties at day end to make the game go faster but generally a tie is a bigger pain for town than scum in my opinion. I would mark them down as light town for now.

Not even a little bit of, "Maybe they're scum" in here." Then when directly asked how that 2-shot claim affects their read, they're just like, "Meh, it doesn't much." Lifeboat looks purty bad indeed.

 

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I think Gondola and Beluga looked pretty good today. I really think we can put them into town pile.

 

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Agreed on all of that save Gondola - I need to go reread them lol. But I think we're in a good spot all things considered.

 

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I seek your wisdom:

Rip Jet Ski. They were too cool for this world.

@Houseboat who did you protect?

That's a weird thing to open D2 with if your scummates, right...?

 

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*you're. DAMN THE LACK OF EDIT BUTTON

 

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I seek your wisdom:


That's a weird thing to open D2 with if your scummates, right...?

There's reasons for and against doing that.....maybe it's kinda weird? I don't know...

 

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Hoping to sneak out of work early here shortly and catch up

 

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Hoping to sneak out of work early here shortly and catch up

No worries. I'm out doing errands and such so I'm free a bit later on.

 

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No worries. I'm out doing errands and such so I'm free a bit later on.

That's good. Cuz I was gonna catch up and life was like, "nope!" But tonight for sure.

 

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allllright, home now and important things are done for the day. time for mafia!

 

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going over day 1 again as i do lifeboat and this stuck out to me. We have a vote ocunt at

Houseboat (4 votes)
Galleon - #160
Giant Rubber Duck - #261
Kayak - #364 #391
Yacht - #392
Inflatable Boat - #397

Yacht (2 votes)
Jet Ski - #380
Kayak - #391

Kayak (1 votes)
Lifeboat - #109

Galleon (1 votes)
Submarine - #225

Followed by these very shortly after.

Alright, caught up on some of the stuff that happened since I was last on. The Houseboat thing with the prepared post is bizarre lol I don't quite know what to think of it. I think I have an idea of who the player might be and that makes me feel less like it's a slip and more like an eccentricity but it's the other stuff I don't like about their play today, I feel like I've tried to approach them a few times (#252, #348) on trying to striaghten out their thought process on the parts that weren't really checking out and they didn't respond at all, it feels a bit like they've picking the questions they think they can respond to. I suggested to my partner yesterday that Houseboat might be a good vote but they are relatively busy and haven't posted much to exchange reads or come up with a vote we are agreed on but this is where I'd like to go

Vote: Houseboat

I wouldn't vote Sub today, that seems like a straightforward slot to put aside, it feels towny and has been very active, no point in going over this deeply. Inflatable Boat has been ramping up quite nicely and engaging folks, and they had some comments about having not played in awhile at #359 that read pretty pure. They've also made a few observations about houseboat that I thought myself and that's the thing that's pinged me most today so I've nodded my head along to their posts a few times which makes it easier to get behind the slot. Jet Ski I like too, they have a nice easy relaxed feel to their posts, they give opinions on slots and respond when questioned. I think I just like the attitude to the game coming out of this account more than anything but that's a fine thing on D1.

I thought my heart was too broken to ever break again. But here I am, betrayed.
My soulmate posted once and left, not even a single post in the partner chat. To quote Socrates "The hottest love has the coldest end."

I will not punish houseboat for displaying honesty, the world would be a less cruel place if more people were like them.


Mafia needs to make a splash, otherwise the game's direction will be completely controlled by town. It also helps them avoid accusations of coasting. By some of the room do you mean me or are you positing a hypothetical? Regardless your defence of Lifeboat is noted.

The accounts I decided not to vote for were based on me thinking "who wouldn't I vote for?" and noting down the names I thought of, the only one I went back to double check was Gondola and that's only because I was afraid I mixing them up with Galleon.

Vote: Lifeboat

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It wasn't meant to add detail or explanation but saying anything else would be a lie. And I do not lie.

Looking at Kayak, Galleon and Yacht I think the later two are solid B-tier votes. I don't mind keeping Kayak around for now as the combined unsurety and snippiness seems real.

Galleon talking to each other here rather than in the partner chat feels a bit performative.

Yacht asks many questions but comes up with a very boring answer. Personally I'd be interested in seeing their flip due to their partial defence of Lifeboat (I think it would be rad to be right about an early game read).
Vote: Yacht

Unfortunately my activity will be slightly less than usual as it appears mobile doesn't support signatures.

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Question:

I think this makes Gondola look great. It pushed HB up to 2 from hammer. Ballsy if scum.

Skiff becomes more confusing. Does Scum!Skiff just sit off-wagon when HB is 2 from hammer with that Lifeboat vote (which may also be scum) or is it more likely a Town!Skiff does?

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Yeah, when I read Gondola the other night they came off looking really good to me. If you're on the same page, I think we can put them into our town pile.

Skiff can stay on the "you might be evil" pile

 

[Inflatable Boat]

This posts are the ones that make me scum read Yacht:

Kayak being on Yacht makes me not want to join in there. I am staying put.

Vote: Galleon

Kayak wagon is not taking off. I do not love Yacht but I actively dislike Kayak and Galleon so I prefer them as the vote.

Houseboat keeps saying that they don't like Yacht but are using excuses to not make a vote there.

This is a solid callout from Cruise Ship yesterday.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Something to be weary of: unless scum stink at planning ahead, they knew Houseboat was going to get sunk after that fake claim. Stuff like:

its ok i thought you were scum before the claims

has been said at least twice by Rubber Duck, and I can't tell if it's really for Houseboat, or performative for the rest of us.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

OKay. Call me bananas. Is Lifeboat fuckin' town? lol. They've fished for doctor and night action information so many times now, and have been called out on each time, that you'd think they'd shut the fuck up. Like:

I think having already claimed and without elaborating on other thing you can answer this yes or no. The is an inference from this post but just for clarity.

Are you an Even night doctor?

SHIRLEY scum would stop? But naive/innocent town might just keep on going. I dunno. Put it into my tinfoil pile, because you might have to wear tinfoil to not think of Lifeboat as scum at this point. But I'm still a page-and-a-half from catching up so maybe my mind will change once I hit today.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Never mind. Then Lifeboat followed up with:

It does matter. If we have an odd and even night doc and Cruise is just hard decided that two docs cannot exist then we don't have all the info we could have.

Why can't we have an odd and even night doc. All Cruise needs to say is I'm not Even night and I would be 100% that we were not walking into an error. Houseboat is going to die because of a counter claim, but if one is odd night and the other is even night then it isn't really a counter claim.

I am suspect of the shot limit but that could have explanations. Either it is a hold over from when the role had less shots or mafia has some shot removal mechanic or some other unknown condition.

which is right back to "you gotta be scum" pile.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I continually go back-and-forth on Lifeboat.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Hi Partner. I've developed tunnel vision. I'm really locked on the post I just made to Skiff. Why wasn't Yacht the NK? Why didn't that strike me as odd before? They wanted the doctor Yacht is thee only person to vocally call out HB claim as possible horseshit.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

And The Shining done. Time for bed. Niiight night.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I continually go back-and-forth on Lifeboat.

I'm doubting a bit as well but man their day 1 is sus as hell. I can't get over it.

Hi Partner. I've developed tunnel vision. I'm really locked on the post I just made to Skiff. Why wasn't Yacht the NK? Why didn't that strike me as odd before? They wanted the doctor Yacht is thee only person to vocally call out HB claim as possible horseshit.

We also gotta remember that Yacht was almost killed day 1. That post reads like such an outburst that them not counter claiming if they were the Doc seems really odd.

It's also possible that scum thought there was no doc since no one did counterclaim - hence the Jet Ski kill.

As much as it is a good point there's so many variables that it's hard to say exactly why they didn't kill yacht.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I have to assume Lifeboat is scum for my Yacht questioning. If Loboat is scum, they were open wolfing and explicitly stating exactly why HB did what they did, and what they were going for. If he's a direct pipe to their thoughts, they seemed to really think there was a doc, and in a game with few great choices who it might be, I can't see the option as anyone other than Yacht. Again, this is based on Lboat read, and me then taking his billion back and forths with Beluga as a direct line to scum thoughts on the whole thing.

Okay. I'll move on from now.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Also, I'm going to do the thing I didn't wanna do a bit, but The Wizard is out there and they're one of a few I see in that game list who have no fear of dropping early votes and "arguing" with scummates. They were scum in the last game I played, so maybe I'm just extra weary, but they're quite good at blending in as town trying to scumhunt.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Skiff might be town. I'm feeling better there after some D1 re-reads. They really do come across like town left alone by their partner. And they were consistent on pushing Lifeboat across a handful of posts.

I'm starting to see a trend. That Lifeboat is a thread that might need pulled.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

So, I just posted this in the game:

Ask again sorry, I read the original question and my brain melted on the wording for some reason

It's a small thing for now, and not one my partner thinks we can glean much from due to all the variables, but it still bugs me so here goes: let us go with the assumption that the fake Doctor claim was done to not only save Houseboat for at least a day, but also (and most importantly) to try and smoke out the real doctor. When I sift through everyone's reactions to Houseboat's claim, I couldn't find shade....except from Yacht. And it wasn't quiet or subtle. I couldn't be convinced scum missed it.

Nah, how come when we're about to vote scum out it's always a doctor or a cop? Am I the only one that thinks it's a fake claim?

Who would read this and reasonably think anything other than Yacht is the real doctor? Or put another way, why would Jet Ski specifically take the NK instead of Yacht?

I have a theory, but I'd prefer to hear from people first.

My tinfoil? Scum has a wolf being heavily town read and see their victory in keeping them safe. Thus, a gamble. They'd rather try to find a cop.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

The other, more boring possibility, is simply that they actively wanted to avoid the real doctor so they didn't get Houseboat killed. But Houseboat was on borrowed time anyway, so I don't know why they wouldn't go for it. Just different playstyles, I suppose.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

If Lifeboat is scum we still have 1 other scum player hidden somewhere and it would have to be amongst someone who went against HB on Day 1. I like The Wizard so it's a good reminder he's here and could be scum lol. I don't know his style well enough to call it out here though. I would say maybe Kayak as the deep wolf? Or, hell, Sub?

Something that also pinged me lightly on Lifeboat was cop fishing. They said they were hoping for a cop check on them today and that screamed Godfather to me. So if scum, it could back up your theory.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Or yacht as deep wolf. Idk why I keep forgetting them.

Didn't lifeboat vote galleon all the way to the end too? I believe they told me once they wouldn't vote Yacht either if we had switched.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Duck wtf, let me have my tunnel

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Real talk: I trust Duck's claim for now. But I wonder why even come out and say it at this point. My only guess is they are a 2-shot but Im not gonna say that publically.

My tunnel is unending: Lifeboat is the Godfather

 

[Inflatable Boat]

 

[Inflatable Boat]

VA i need your guidance

Lifeboat claims Ghost (dying means they stay an extra day but dont vote)
Duck claims Cop, green checked Lifeboat

 

[Inflatable Boat]

-wakes up from a nap- I miss somethin?

 

[Inflatable Boat]

WAIT.
Does this mean I can continue tunnelling Yacht now?!?