Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats

[The Bear]

==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start

Houseboat (2 votes)
Galleon - #160
Giant Rubber Duck - #261

Submarine (2 votes)
Beluga Whale - #113
Houseboat - #134

Kayak (1 votes)
Lifeboat - #109

Beluga Whale (1 votes)
Jet Ski - #105
Submarine - #108 #225

Galleon (1 votes)
Submarine - #225

Not voting: Cruise Ship, Gondola, Yacht, Kayak, Inflatable Boat, Skiff

Post Counts:
Submarine: 37 Giant Rubber Duck: 25 Jet Ski: 22 Beluga Whale: 22 Houseboat: 21 Gondola: 17 Lifeboat: 17 Cruise Ship: 10 Yacht: 10 Galleon: 10 Inflatable Boat: 6 Kayak: 3 Skiff: 3

Current Countdown:

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[Houseboat]

i think its fairly obvious that my partner was making a joke

i am also now making you aware that you are quoting two different people there so /shrug

I do not know if I believe it was a joke, but I believe it was your partner for a reason I only just now realized.

 

[Galleon]

Can you explain this a bit? I am an idiot and fail to completely understand how that post is a defense/protection.

It goes back to pre-game banter, which I attempted to erase from my memory at day start. Someone didn’t want to kill Duck. Then in-game, houseboat agreed with that by calling Duck an auto winner.

This interfered with my attempt to dismiss previous banter and created connections with Duck, or with the person who originally wanted Duck to win, whom I assumed was a duck squad member memeing. Which I haven’t looked back to see the account name because it wasn’t in game.

I get the memeing, but I don’t get why houseboat would want in on it. It pinged me weird and I called it out.

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The people whose arguments boil down to “scum wouldn’t do that” are incorrect. Scum would mimic anything. I’ve seen it. Their posts are therefore sus to me.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

I do not know if I believe it was a joke, but I believe it was your partner for a reason I only just now realized.

You're right, I don't joke with serious matters like townreads.

Early reads are always going to be weak, but look at the discussion it created. If I'm right I also get to boost my ego in the post game, it's a win win.

 

[Gondola]

All my posts come from cruise ship. Seriously, I think it’s more fun to play without distinguishing. We both have the same alignment (town) & the same role pm, so just think of us as one person.

What do you mean by “with a purpose?”

I am fine with thinking you as one, if that's what you want. I think ambiguity can be fun. Let me rephrase the question then: how annoyed were you when you realized that engineer #2 was being obvious? Exploit seems like such a strong negative word for me.

Purpose as in hints of a coordination, be it in their chat or them using each others as viewpoints.

Thank you for disabling this. I accidentally fucked up Engineer #2's draft in our chat yesterday lol

-Cruise ship's reaction to my partner was def a bit weird, but also i can see where they are getting out especially if they like costume games where we really don't know who is who. I'll keep it in mind but not sure there.

-I agree with number 2's suspicion of Galleon for assuming Houseboat is some form of protection, that's def a bit weird.

Faking interaction like good meanies should be, or just townies using the tools that they have been given? Can't rule out the former and could see it being the latter. Though now that I read the quotes again, they are both from #1. Huh. Just huh, don't think it is more than that.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Faking interaction like good meanies should be, or just townies using the tools that they have been given? Can't rule out the former and could see it being the latter. Though now that I read the quotes again, they are both from #1. Huh. Just huh, don't think it is more than that.

Does it have to be faked? Scummies also have to use their shared costume account for everything (the rules say this pretty clearly) so just like us townies (see? I'm town) have to discuss with "ourselves" in the shared boat chat it's gonna be the same with scummies in scumchat except there's more than one shared account in it.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Like that story about messing up the other engineer's draft could've been a real thing that happened in scumchat.

 

[Submarine]

Just some quick thoughts to throw down while looking over all the ISOs:

Gondola - Has made a few decent posts so far, I like #297 a lot. Looking forward to their thoughts more as the day progresses. Townish lean so far.

Inflatable Boat - Pretty quiet so far, main posts of substance are #220 and #249. Some questions asked, but not much thoughts given yet. NAI

Kayak - Also pretty quiet so far, main post of substance is #294 posing a question to Houseboat. Not much else to go off yet. NAI

Yacht - Not a ton of posts, but I liked #243, and they've been posing some questions and giving thoughts here and there. Early Townish lean.

Lifeboat - Good thread presence so far, I like #251 since they share a lot of early thoughts in it, and they've been prodding and not afraid to share reads. Townish lean.

Jet Ski - Perhaps my top Town read so far? I have liked a good number of their posts, and they have a pretty chill/comfortable feel to their posting. Unless something major happens in the next 24 hours, I don't see myself voting here today at all.

Houseboat - They've taken some flak for the posts in #232 and #235 questioning town reads on myself, but other than that I've liked most of their posts. #286 and #288 get some reads going, so looking forward to more of their thoughts later today. Will want to see more to start leaning one way or another.

Galleon - Went over them a bit last night when I voted there, but to reiterate, I don't like the vote on Houseboat and it feels like they had to really stretch for reasoning to try justifying it. They gave some other thoughts in #242, but not much. Scummish lean so far.

Cruise Ship - Outside of them not liking my posting gimmick (deal with it) they had a good icebreaker question for everyone about how people plan to approach a pair/costume/hydra combo game, gave some decent early thoughts in #292. NAI for now though.

Skiff - Only real post of substance so far is #256, gave a couple light reads but not much to go off of yet. NAI

Giant Rubber Duck - Good thread presence, kind of an easy Town lean for me so far, though I know my partner has reservations about them. I don't see myself voting there today though barring a major turn of events.

Beluga Whale - Their entrance was pretty chill, even with me coming at them with a vote right away and messing around with them, so that makes me feel decent for starters. They've had good thread presence and are engaging a lot, so I'd call it an early Townish lean for sure.

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That feels like a good snapshot of where I'm at this morning, going to do some other things and then I'll be around to post more again later.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Galleon - Went over them a bit last night when I voted there, but to reiterate, I don't like the vote on Houseboat and it feels like they had to really stretch for reasoning to try justifying it. They gave some other thoughts in #242, but not much. Scummish lean so far.

The reasoning feels pretty straight forward to me. Protecting Duck and voting Submarine for no good reason. I'm not quite sure if this is what they're thinking, but the posts about how mafia knows what alignment someone is makes it sound like they think Duck is town. It could be the opposite tho and they think Houseboat is blatantly protecting their teammate.

I refer to myself in third person because it makes it a little easier for context. Hope it doesn't confuse anyone.

 

[Yacht]

Galleon, how do you feel about duck and houseboat now that they have some more interactions down?

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

i apologize to my partner for assuming their read was a joke

if we were solo players i definitely would have made that assumption and moved on

 

[Galleon]

This post is a bit upside down due to quoting order, I’m replying to Duck at the end there.

I reread some people to update my reads. Gondola seems to be ramping up fine, a bit slow to get a handle on the idea that there’s a mafia game, but now they’re making reads etc without too much prompting. I feel okay there.

Turns out it was Houseboat themselves who made the Duck joke so they were continuing their own joke. Possibly a pair thing, whatever. Here’s what pinged me regarding their gameplay however.

Submarines are often armed with nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are bad. Ergo, submarines are bad.

Vote: Submarine

Joke vote

Whole lotta people townreading Submarine mere hours into the first day.

Questioning anyone who disagrees with their joke vote/possible current read(?)

Sure, but "moving the game out of the small talk phase" is enough to be town read?
Now I know that wasn't your read on Submarine, but I'm still throwing the question out there.

Ditto

I like Submarine more starting at post #189. The italicized half is engaging with people about the game, and they have a high post count. Good enough for this early on. I disagree with my other half about the vote.

The italics do not show up in the search tool which is quite annoying. Had to use CTRL+F and manually look.

Sudden switch on previously apparent read. “Good enough” they say, based mostly on post count. Looks like shading a team member to catch the zeitgeist of the thread and then letting themselves be walked back.

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It could be the opposite tho and they think Houseboat is blatantly protecting their teammate.

I think Houseboat has been consistently slimy in the way they engage with other playerS, both Duck and Sub references do not feel towny to me from them at all. Duck’s alignment should Houseboat be scum is up in the air, but the Submarine interactions feel like possible teaming.

 

[Cruise Ship]

Let me rephrase the question then: how annoyed were you when you realized that engineer #2 was being obvious? Exploit seems like such a strong negative word for me.

Not that much. I mostly found that boring. Maybe exploit is not the right word for it. I don't think that exploit has such negative meaning but there may be some language barrier there.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Galleon, how do you feel about duck and houseboat now that they have some more interactions down?

You should tag them if you want a direct answer @Galleon

i apologize to my partner for assuming their read was a joke

if we were solo players i definitely would have made that assumption and moved on

What happened here? You initially thought your partner was joking and they told you they weren't, or did you come to that conclusion here?

 

[Jet Ski]

Throwing large duck in the town pile for now. Reads like they genuinely think they have something here which is good.

Only scum has an idea who each other are at that point, so ordinary hello memes don’t work except for that team.

So, all early jokes in costume are sus.

It goes back to pre-game banter, which I attempted to erase from my memory at day start. Someone didn’t want to kill Duck. Then in-game, houseboat agreed with that by calling Duck an auto winner.

This interfered with my attempt to dismiss previous banter and created connections with Duck, or with the person who originally wanted Duck to win, whom I assumed was a duck squad member memeing. Which I haven’t looked back to see the account name because it wasn’t in game.

I get the memeing, but I don’t get why houseboat would want in on it. It pinged me weird and I called it out.

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The people whose arguments boil down to “scum wouldn’t do that” are incorrect. Scum would mimic anything. I’ve seen it. Their posts are therefore sus to me.

Appreciate you elaborating. I think the idea that only scum would be doing pre game and early game memes is incorrect.

 

[Galleon]

Not that much. I mostly found that boring. Maybe exploit is not the right word for it. I don't think that exploit has such negative meaning but there may be some language barrier there.

Exploit is right up there with sabotage, I also wondered why you seemed so down on the person.

 

[Cruise Ship]

Exploit is right up there with sabotage, I also wondered why you seemed so down on the person.

Maybe I watch too much gdq

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

What happened here? You initially thought your partner was joking and they told you they weren't, or did you come to that conclusion here?

I said it here:

You're right, I don't joke with serious matters like townreads.

Early reads are always going to be weak, but look at the discussion it created. If I'm right I also get to boost my ego in the post game, it's a win win.

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i apologize to my partner for assuming their read was a joke

if we were solo players i definitely would have made that assumption and moved on

It's alright. It helped me realize that it wasn't very clear what I meant.

 

[Houseboat]

Sudden switch on previously apparent read. “Good enough” they say, based mostly on post count. Looks like shading a team member to catch the zeitgeist of the thread and then letting themselves be walked back.

Are housemates not allowed differing opinions?

 

[Lifeboat]

Are housemates not allowed differing opinions?

Possible perspective slip where they don't know what it is like to be town because they are have the mafia thread and proper coordination where as i assume most of town are just big chilling on day 1.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

You should tag them if you want a direct answer @Galleon

What happened here? You initially thought your partner was joking and they told you they weren't, or did you come to that conclusion here?

my partner literally said here in thread they werent joking

i read it and thought they were

never went out of my way to ask them about it privately because it was a day 1 read based on nothing

 

[Galleon]

Are housemates not allowed differing opinions?

I wouldn’t know, as Galleon’s Mate is quite busy this hour but reserves the right to disagree with her Bosun by day end.

Your claim then is that the reads were genuine in the early bit, but that the two houseboat players feel differently on Sub?

 

[Beluga Whale]

I said it here:

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It's alright. It helped me realize that it wasn't very clear what I meant.

my partner literally said here in thread they werent joking

i read it and thought they were

never went out of my way to ask them about it privately because it was a day 1 read based on nothing

Thanks. When you apologized I didn't know if you talked about the read beforehand and were explaining so or learned it the same time as us.

 

[Cruise Ship]

Surprising to hear galleon has never heard of expressions like “exploit that loophole.” That’s the context in which I meant it, like “take advantage of.”

 

[Galleon]

Surprising to hear galleon has never heard of expressions like “exploit that loophole.” That’s the context in which I meant it, like “take advantage of.”

Computer exploits are practically a different word than “human exploits their access”. You used it about a player, not a user.

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I cannot get a read on kayak or skiff due to them having only about one post each with game opinions.

Lifeboat reads scummy to me. Very limited discussion points from them.

 

[Houseboat]

Your claim then is that the reads were genuine in the early bit, but that the two houseboat players feel differently on Sub?

Correct. One of us likes Sub, and one of us does not. We agreed that if I can produce a better argument for somebody else, then we will change our vote.

I do not particularly dislike anyone at the moment. I felt a bit iffy on Rubber Duck, but I am warming up to them after their recent posts. The disagreement amongst themselves felt genuine. I dislike that one of Kayak's 3 posts mentions neutrals, even if I am sure it is a joke. However, Kayak feels like low-hanging fruit so I do not want to push there at this time.

 

[Gondola]

It goes back to pre-game banter, which I attempted to erase from my memory at day start. Someone didn’t want to kill Duck. Then in-game, houseboat agreed with that by calling Duck an auto winner.

This interfered with my attempt to dismiss previous banter and created connections with Duck, or with the person who originally wanted Duck to win, whom I assumed was a duck squad member memeing. Which I haven’t looked back to see the account name because it wasn’t in game.

I get the memeing, but I don’t get why houseboat would want in on it. It pinged me weird and I called it out.

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The people whose arguments boil down to “scum wouldn’t do that” are incorrect. Scum would mimic anything. I’ve seen it. Their posts are therefore sus to me.

Houseboat wanted Duck to win and Sub agreed. Houseboat might've wanted in on it, because he was in on it from the beginning. To me it just looks like he was continuing the joke that he made. Which is NAI IMO, both scum and town can joke. Aaand you went back and looked yourself. Good, moving forward then.

RE: Houseboat. I think "I disagree with my other half about the vote." is the strongest thing in there, it being a possible sign of a reversal. The Submarine vote is by all accounts a joke vote, why is there a need to deny it? @Houseboat do you have a consensus opinion about Sub, how are things in your chat?

Does it have to be faked? Scummies also have to use their shared costume account for everything (the rules say this pretty clearly) so just like us townies (see? I'm town) have to discuss with "ourselves" in the shared boat chat it's gonna be the same with scummies in scumchat except there's more than one shared account in it.

No, it does not have to be fake as in non-existent, my use of fake was not limited to that. If anything, things that happened in reality can be a source of inspiration. Like you say, messing up a post in scum chat could lead into a thought about how that'd make for a good town story.

Gondola seems to be ramping up fine, a bit slow to get a handle on the idea that there’s a mafia game

a game, where. wanna play.

Not that much. I mostly found that boring. Maybe exploit is not the right word for it. I don't think that exploit has such negative meaning but there may be some language barrier there.

It felt like a strong statement to me, up to it possibly being even a condemnation. Looking back at it, Galleon's reaction perhaps gave your post some additional weight in my mind, weight that in your mind perhaps was not there in your post only. That's why the posts following exploit, to me, had that hint of a sudden tone change that felt odd or wrong, depending on how many voices were speaking.

 

[Kayak]

I’m so bad at following costume games. For the sake of trying to force myself to better process the game, is there any players or specific interactions anyone would want us to weigh in on? I know, lazy play, etc. but it’s all just a jumbled blur right now which isn’t helping

 

[Houseboat]

@Houseboat do you have a consensus opinion about Sub, how are things in your chat?

We do not have a consensus but our chat is relaxed and friendly.

 

[Gondola]

We do not have a consensus but our chat is relaxed and friendly.

What are the points against Sub? Why Sub bad?

 

[Yacht]

Summary for anyone caching up:

 

[Houseboat]

What are the points against Sub? Why Sub bad?

I'll speak since I'm the half of our account that has these points. So, basically, I always worry when someone gets townread based on stuff they have posted in the opening hours. That isn't to say there's nothing to be learned there, of course, but I voted there merely for the principal of the matter. As I've discussed with my other half, unless there is something major that happens with Sub, our vote will not be on Sub when the captain sends us to dock for the night.

 

[Galleon]

I’m so bad at following costume games. For the sake of trying to force myself to better process the game, is there any players or specific interactions anyone would want us to weigh in on? I know, lazy play, etc. but it’s all just a jumbled blur right now which isn’t helping

Please tell us a read of Yacht and of Giant Duck.

 

[Beluga Whale]

What are the points against Sub? Why Sub bad?

Not against you since I feel like you're asking why one half of HB doesn't town read Sub rather than why they think Sub is bad, but I dislike when a person reads not townread and it's thrown in a bad box on day 1 since it makes things too polarizing. Most of the times it'll be good and neutral when someone doesn't townread another player but it feels like they scumread them in that context.

 

[Jet Ski]

Not being talked about enough despite being the coolest one in the thread and nothing is jumping out to me as scummy so I’m gonna take a break for a bit. I’ll try to channel my inner fucking nerd and give the game a reread and see if there’s anything I notice

 

[Yacht]

You should tag them if you want a direct answer @Galleon

Oh yeah, forgot that pings are easier to fire off here since it's not like you're casually browsing the site like era.
By the way, any water vessels you like so far @Beluga Whale? You're higher up in post count but I don't have much sense where you are with the game so far.

I think Houseboat has been consistently slimy in the way they engage with other playerS, both Duck and Sub references do not feel towny to me from them at all. Duck’s alignment should Houseboat be scum is up in the air, but the Submarine interactions feel like possible teaming.

There's been some talk of strong words and slimy would be one of them for me. Can you expand on what you mean here about their engagement? Is it the jokey-seeming interactions you have highlighted or the way they have responded to other players?

 

[Lifeboat]

mechanics point against sub is that having to name themselves engineer 1 and engineer 2 is to tell someone else who they are like when they are speaking in mafia chat.

When there is only 2 of you it is easy to remember what posts you made and what posts your partner made. But if you need to talk to a wider group then individual id is more important so you don't give mixed messages. the idea of each member id'ing themselves in this thread was maybe a sound one but Sub had already done it for their private chat when to me it doesn't seem like there would be a need to do that.

 

[Galleon]

There's been some talk of strong words and slimy would be one of them for me. Can you expand on what you mean here about their engagement? Is it the jokey-seeming interactions you have highlighted or the way they have responded to other players?

I previously did quotes showing why. ‘Slimy’ is a word i meant for a synonym of ‘gut’, but with an indication that i find them toward the scummy side.

Their responses have intensified the feeling, as I found it odd for them to claim such a jokey looking vote post was sincere and a disagreement between the pair.

 

[Skiff]

I refreshed the page after I paused for food any lost my massive draft. Drat.

Barely game related but am I the only one whose partner has yet to show up at all? Skiff Prime is very lonely.

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[Yacht]

I was just about to ask if both halves of the skiff use the sick signature

 

[Jet Ski]

I refreshed the page after I paused for food any lost my massive draft. Drat.

Barely game related but am I the only one whose partner has yet to show up at all? Skiff Prime is very lonely.

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I too am seeing all this talk of partner chats and saying “must be nice” in my head

 

[Yacht]

So, basically, I always worry when someone gets townread based on stuff they have posted in the opening hours. That isn't to say there's nothing to be learned there, of course, but I voted there merely for the principal of the matter.

It seemed like your opening vote on sub was jokey and happened before they garnered town reads but you're now saying that you voted on principle based on the reception they were getting?

 

[Houseboat]

It seemed like your opening vote on sub was jokey and happened before they garnered town reads but you're now saying that you voted on principle based on the reception they were getting?

You're absolutely right, I do have my timeline confused.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Oh yeah, forgot that pings are easier to fire off here since it's not like you're casually browsing the site like era.
By the way, any water vessels you like so far @Beluga Whale? You're higher up in post count but I don't have much sense where you are with the game so far.

There's been some talk of strong words and slimy would be one of them for me. Can you expand on what you mean here about their engagement? Is it the jokey-seeming interactions you have highlighted or the way they have responded to other players?

I'm liking Sub, Gondola, Lifeboat right now.

Submarine is because of their activity and how I feel like with their presence anything they do would get hyperfocus. They're even doing ISOs already. Good feelings there as pushing forward is always welcome.

Gondola is putting out questions and trying to get the game moving. They're not filler either so it doesn't seem like busywork.

Lifeboat is aggressive, but in a townie way where I don't think they care about people liking them.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

mechanics point against sub is that having to name themselves engineer 1 and engineer 2 is to tell someone else who they are like when they are speaking in mafia chat.

When there is only 2 of you it is easy to remember what posts you made and what posts your partner made. But if you need to talk to a wider group then individual id is more important so you don't give mixed messages. the idea of each member id'ing themselves in this thread was maybe a sound one but Sub had already done it for their private chat when to me it doesn't seem like there would be a need to do that.

 

[Lifeboat]

I too am seeing all this talk of partner chats and saying “must be nice” in my head

Yeah what are people even talking about in there

 

[Skiff]

"These are all imitations. As you say, these are all trifling swords. But there is no rule that says an imitation cannot defeat the original." Emiya Shirou

Town must throwaway the idea that an argument made by town will make more reasonable or consistent than a mafia player. Regardless of alignment, humanity is chaos.

The quality of a post is unimportant, what is important is whether that post was made because they wanted to innocently share their thoughts on the game or whether it was to push for the mafia win condition. It can also be memes, I give you permission to ignore those posts. A mafia member coasting on memes will eventually die and whether they are killed D1 or not rarely changes town's win percentage.

How do you tell if a post is pushing for a mafia win condition. I don't know: mafia universe probably has guides on it. Who cares.

What I can tell you is that Lifeboat's post on #251 can be used by them as evidence for a vote on 4 different players depending on how the game turns out. That's way too efficient to be genuine.

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[Gondola]

I'll speak since I'm the half of our account that has these points. So, basically, I always worry when someone gets townread based on stuff they have posted in the opening hours. That isn't to say there's nothing to be learned there, of course, but I voted there merely for the principal of the matter. As I've discussed with my other half, unless there is something major that happens with Sub, our vote will not be on Sub when the captain sends us to dock for the night.

I thought your comments were more about the people who gave the town reads, not Sub themselves. Surely if you think the reads came too early/too confidentally that reflects on the reads, not the person being read? What's achieved by voting the person you thought the reads were too early for?

 

[Lifeboat]

anything I might want to say to my costume partner i can just post in the game thread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

our chat is pretty spare at the moment if that makes anyone feel better

there really isnt that much to privately talk about yet

 

[Skiff]

The typos are intentional.

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[Beluga Whale]

I like talking to my partner so thank god I didn't get a stiff.

 

[Beluga Whale]

"These are all imitations. As you say, these are all trifling swords. But there is no rule that says an imitation cannot defeat the original." Emiya Shirou

Town must throwaway the idea that an argument made by town will make more reasonable or consistent than a mafia player. Regardless of alignment, humanity is chaos.

The quality of a post is unimportant, what is important is whether that post was made because they wanted to innocently share their thoughts on the game or whether it was to push for the mafia win condition. It can also be memes, I give you permission to ignore those posts. A mafia member coasting on memes will eventually die and whether they are killed D1 or not rarely changes town's win percentage.

How do you tell if a post is pushing for a mafia win condition. I don't know: mafia universe probably has guides on it. Who cares.

What I can tell you is that Lifeboat's post on #251 can be used by them as evidence for a vote on 4 different players depending on how the game turns out. That's way too efficient to be genuine.

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You can make that argument. So you're saying Lifeboat is keeping Galleon, Yacht, HB and Duck in their pocket for later. Are you scum reading them for it? Do you think they've done anything to push them?

 

[Skiff]

You can make that argument. So you're saying Lifeboat is keeping Galleon, Yacht, HB and Duck in their pocket for later. Are you scum reading them for it? Do you think they've done anything to push them?

They haven't done anything to push anyone since #251, they've been concentrating on submarine drama. I could be wrong and even if I'm right it could be a town making an inauthentic post to try and seem more towny, it happens.

Ultimately I don't scum read anyone, I lack the confidence to hold that kind of belief. To trust or distrust another soul.

But I would vote them.

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[Beluga Whale]

They haven't done anything to push anyone since #251, they've been concentrating on submarine drama. I could be wrong and even if I'm right it could be a town making an inauthentic post to try and seem more towny, it happens.

Ultimately I don't scum read anyone, I lack the confidence to hold that kind of belief. To trust or distrust another soul.

But I would vote them.

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Your other half is no communicado?

 

[Gondola]

I’m so bad at following costume games. For the sake of trying to force myself to better process the game, is there any players or specific interactions anyone would want us to weigh in on? I know, lazy play, etc. but it’s all just a jumbled blur right now which isn’t helping

Just try and compartmentalise the game a bit. Pick someone, read through their posts and make a note on what kind of vibe you got and why, post numbers and that kind of thing. Rinse repeat. I'd be happy to hear two names you feel good about and why halfway through the day phase and if you've got anything else that's fine too. @Skiff sorry if I missed it but did you post up folks you did feel good about at this point?

 

[Skiff]

@Skiff sorry if I missed it but did you post up folks you did feel good about at this point?

I won't say this again, I don't feel good about anything.

I would not vote Giant Rubber Duck, Submarine, Gondola or Yacht today.

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[Gondola]

I have nothing to say but lmao, I'm expecting limp bizkit to play when Skiff posts at this point. The batman gif </3 Thanks, I think I can piece together where you're head is at right now with your other posts

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I apologize if we're a bit quiet today - both of us are busy with work.

Page 3 only

concern trolling is acting like there is an issue when you dont actually believe there is an issue

not the same as regular trolling

i do not believe houseboat made those two posts in good faith

I will quack to that.

Definitely something to keep an eye on, a little sus. Our vote might end up there today

Walk me through how you see scum playing through that situation. Why they do it, etc.

What is your intended approach to solving this game?

As a collective of inflatable technology we're using our group chat to work out reads and just chat in general. We're pointing out things to one another and going over what we agree/don't agree to. We had a brief discussion about having a united front for posting but given our schedules it won't work out well so we have taken to posting individually. My Other Half has yet to post here but they have been active in our chat. We are likely going to be deciding our vote privately and posting it as an agreement though - with the caveat that any strong reads or EOD fires can be handled individually.

As for myself as an individual piece of this flotation device I'm planning to use my partner as a sounding board for much of this. It has been some time since I played last and my rust has made it really hard to get a handle on everyone, so having someone I can 100% trust is helpful. I do like the suggestion that you can solve a pair by focusing on one piece of it (a pair being unsure/townie is likely townie for instance) so I may try that going forward but I worry that a strong scum can fool me there. Things may have changed since I last played but I think looking at sideliners/non-confrontational players may lead to Scum so I do have my eye on Houseboat for that reason. Others likely fit here as well but I would need to reread.

We could call you Dinghy.

I kinda see what duck is saying, it looks to me like Houseboat wants to be contrarian for the sake of it instead of just saying something more personal like "I know a few people like sub but I'm not seeing it yet"

Dinghy this

 

[Skiff]

The skiff arrived.
It seems that the weather on the sea was bad. This cause the skiff to arrive later as planned. The skiff does apologize

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I will confer with my other half but I do believe I want to vote for Houseboat at the moment. Galleon seems too forward to be scum in how they are positioning themselves and digging deeper into the 'early jokes are sus' group. I disagree with that point but I don't think it makes them scum.

I'll speak since I'm the half of our account that has these points. So, basically, I always worry when someone gets townread based on stuff they have posted in the opening hours. That isn't to say there's nothing to be learned there, of course, but I voted there merely for the principal of the matter. As I've discussed with my other half, unless there is something major that happens with Sub, our vote will not be on Sub when the captain sends us to dock for the night.

I thought your comments were more about the people who gave the town reads, not Sub themselves. Surely if you think the reads came too early/too confidentally that reflects on the reads, not the person being read? What's achieved by voting the person you thought the reads were too early for?

I, too, would like to know this. And as to why this wasn't directed at Sub specifically nor why this makes Sub sus.

mechanics point against sub is that having to name themselves engineer 1 and engineer 2 is to tell someone else who they are like when they are speaking in mafia chat.

When there is only 2 of you it is easy to remember what posts you made and what posts your partner made. But if you need to talk to a wider group then individual id is more important so you don't give mixed messages. the idea of each member id'ing themselves in this thread was maybe a sound one but Sub had already done it for their private chat when to me it doesn't seem like there would be a need to do that.

Interesting, as I read it the opposite. Having distinct voices cuts down on the confusion for us here in the thread trying to make reads and I took that to be a Townie initiative. It does make them far easier to read imo.

 

[Submarine]

The reasoning feels pretty straight forward to me. Protecting Duck and voting Submarine for no good reason. I'm not quite sure if this is what they're thinking, but the posts about how mafia knows what alignment someone is makes it sound like they think Duck is town. It could be the opposite tho and they think Houseboat is blatantly protecting their teammate.

I refer to myself in third person because it makes it a little easier for context. Hope it doesn't confuse anyone.

They seemed to be saying earlier in #204, #219, and #236 that they saw Duck/Houseboat as Scum partners, though that seems to have changed now in #312 to me and Houseboat being partnered, and Duck is unknown.

I think Houseboat has been consistently slimy in the way they engage with other playerS, both Duck and Sub references do not feel towny to me from them at all. Duck’s alignment should Houseboat be scum is up in the air, but the Submarine interactions feel like possible teaming.

The rest of the above post is strange too, because Galleon voted for Houseboat well before most of the stuff they are bringing up there, so it goes back to what I said yesterday about an early vote being carried on with "this player just be sus" reasonings, and it gives me bad vibes.

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I like Skiff's posts above btw, if I haven't marked them as a Townie lean, I prob would now.

 

[Submarine]

We are likely going to be deciding our vote privately and posting it as an agreement though - with the caveat that any strong reads or EOD fires can be handled individually.

For the record, Engineer #1 and I have discussed voting as well, and I will likely be taking the lead on such things, as they are less comfortable handling it, whereas I revel in it. I'm also the one manning the torpedo bays, so it makes sense for me to be the one pulling the trigger.

We have collaborated a bit in chat, but for the most part our reads are just being given here in thread, with mostly joking and schedule discussion in private.

 

[Kayak]

Responding to a request on reads for Duck and Yacht:

On a serious note I don't think there is any rule against signaling which part of the pair is posting.

Sus backtracking

exploiting the game is pretty strong wording lol

I liked the thought process here, it shows an interest in trying to solve by being able to better read player pairs. It’s small, but early on I like the initiative. Idk that I fully agree with their appraisal of others during this discussion, but that’s not a big red flag or anything.

these two posts are concern trolling

the first post insinuates a lot of the game town reading them which isn't true

the second is you vibe checking hoping that someone agrees with you

VOTE: Houseboat

concern trolling is acting like there is an issue when you dont actually believe there is an issue

not the same as regular trolling

i do not believe houseboat made those two posts in good faith

I don’t really disagree with their assessment here. Houseboat is currently feeling off to me from their posts so far. I’d entertain a vote there especially for extra pressure, because so far it doesn’t feel like there’s much in the way of defense for them either.

At this point I’d say Duck is a small town lean, enough that I probably wouldn’t consider voting there today.

How much of my identity will I reveal by admitting I have no idea what this means?

Was your plan something that would be more effective as a secret with your partner or a general approach for a hydra game?

I think the doubling up of voices should be a net positive, so many games come down to being able to find the town in someone so having two perspectives should help there where one half might be a tougher read.

I like this line of thinking and this post.

This is one argument for the more clear cut delineation submarine is going for. That said, I think it might not be as bad as it seems since a town pair with genuine disagreement should have more tells if their vote/read was in conflict. We can ask if they really disagreed or are just hiding behind the murkiness of the pair mechanic.

Currently giving galleon the benefit of the doubt, thinking you've caught a scum/scum pair off an early day 1 post feels more like misplaced town optimism than a scum opener.

Yacht is more interesting in that I think their posts feel a bit more “fluffy”. There’s content, but often it isn’t content that feels directly like it’s coming from a town mindset. There’s discussion, but not much in the way of firm stances imo. I’d say a light scum lean, would at least consider a vote here today as well. Honestly - would maybe be my preferred vote, though with the tie that’s down right now I’ll push to make things more interesting instead:

VOTE: Houseboat

 

[Submarine]

mechanics point against sub is that having to name themselves engineer 1 and engineer 2 is to tell someone else who they are like when they are speaking in mafia chat.

When there is only 2 of you it is easy to remember what posts you made and what posts your partner made. But if you need to talk to a wider group then individual id is more important so you don't give mixed messages. the idea of each member id'ing themselves in this thread was maybe a sound one but Sub had already done it for their private chat when to me it doesn't seem like there would be a need to do that.

Just to be clear, we do not call each other engineer 1 and 2 in our chat. The names sort of just emerged organically In this thread when 2 started posting with their gimmick, which was something they chose to do on their own. I would have been fine either way not making it clear who was talking. Also yes 2 does do the gimmick in our chat as well. I appreciate it because it makes it easier to check chat and see if they have responded or not without having to reread my own posts multiple times just to be sure I’m not missing anything.

The fact I don’t get notified when 2 posts in the chat and coming into this thread just goes to where both of us left off is driving me insane honestly. Yes yes click the number where you left off, but jumping between three different devices throughout the day doesn’t help much especially when one of those is on mobile.

(Fuck playing mobile on mafia btw)

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I like talking to my partner so thank god I didn't get a stiff.

Yeah I really am glad I got a chatty partner too. What’s the point of pairs game if you can’t have fun in your private chat.

 

[Cruise Ship]

Computer exploits are practically a different word than “human exploits their access”. You used it about a player, not a user.

Don't want to drag this out, but feel compelled to point out that exploiting a loophole is not a computer-specific term.

No, it does not have to be fake as in non-existent, my use of fake was not limited to that. If anything, things that happened in reality can be a source of inspiration. Like you say, messing up a post in scum chat could lead into a thought about how that'd make for a good town story.

I don't really understand this, because if it's something that could happen to mafia as well as to town, why would mafia pretend it had happened in order to look towny? What's the point of the "fake" comment?

mechanics point against sub is that having to name themselves engineer 1 and engineer 2 is to tell someone else who they are like when they are speaking in mafia chat.

When there is only 2 of you it is easy to remember what posts you made and what posts your partner made. But if you need to talk to a wider group then individual id is more important so you don't give mixed messages. the idea of each member id'ing themselves in this thread was maybe a sound one but Sub had already done it for their private chat when to me it doesn't seem like there would be a need to do that.

I think this is a real reach, but not sure if it's scummy or towny. I guess on balance town is more likely to come up with wild theories.

Starting to see it with houseboat a little bit, but I'm not sure how much we're used to reading inconsistency with previously expressed views as scummy when in this game it may be an "internal struggle"

 

[Submarine]

With Houseboat, I think it's a tale of the two voices for me, where one of them comes off a bit worse than the other. The stuff about being sus on town reads and all that, it's standard fare around here for people to get ultra paranoid like that early, usually directed at me too, so it doesn't rub me the wrong way much.

Then there's the fact that I think Galleon's vote on them is sus and remains sus, so that colors my perception a bit too where I don't see myself wanting to join in on their vote.

 

[Lifeboat]

"These are all imitations. As you say, these are all trifling swords. But there is no rule that says an imitation cannot defeat the original." Emiya Shirou

Town must throwaway the idea that an argument made by town will make more reasonable or consistent than a mafia player. Regardless of alignment, humanity is chaos.

The quality of a post is unimportant, what is important is whether that post was made because they wanted to innocently share their thoughts on the game or whether it was to push for the mafia win condition. It can also be memes, I give you permission to ignore those posts. A mafia member coasting on memes will eventually die and whether they are killed D1 or not rarely changes town's win percentage.

How do you tell if a post is pushing for a mafia win condition. I don't know: mafia universe probably has guides on it. Who cares.

What I can tell you is that Lifeboat's post on #251 can be used by them as evidence for a vote on 4 different players depending on how the game turns out. That's way too efficient to be genuine.

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I can't speak for my partner, but at least I'm leaning Town on Duck and I haven't payed enough attention to houseboat to form a solid opinion yet.

Yacht is still under investigation, but their recent posts have put them solidly below Galleon on the Scum scale.

 

[Galleon]

It hurts me that submarine hates my guts.

 

[Submarine]

It hurts me that submarine hates my guts.

Be more townie.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Be more townie.

 

[Lifeboat]

I am very comfortable with my red read on kayak

that vote on houseboat is so hesitant and clause filled. It is half way through day 1. You don't need a good reason to vote for anyone but it seems like they were feeling exposed by not having a voted down. I honestly don't even know why they voted other than to fit in. I don't see how pressuring houseboat does anything but it looks like they are playing when they are not really engaged at all.

 

[Submarine]

I am very comfortable with my red read on kayak

that vote on houseboat is so hesitant and clause filled. It is half way through day 1. You don't need a good reason to vote for anyone but it seems like they were feeling exposed by not having a voted down. I honestly don't even know why they voted other than to fit in. I don't see how pressuring houseboat does anything but it looks like they are playing when they are not really engaged at all.

So your vote is a case of one that started out as a joke but became real as the day went on?

 

[Lifeboat]

So your vote is a case of one that started out as a joke but became real as the day went on?

I don't see any reason to move off it.

 

[Submarine]

I don't see any reason to move off it.

Yeah I get that, was just wanting to clarify c:

 

[Kayak]

I am very comfortable with my red read on kayak

that vote on houseboat is so hesitant and clause filled. It is half way through day 1. You don't need a good reason to vote for anyone but it seems like they were feeling exposed by not having a voted down. I honestly don't even know why they voted other than to fit in. I don't see how pressuring houseboat does anything but it looks like they are playing when they are not really engaged at all.

I’ve already shared that I struggle in costume games due to everyone basically being a “new” person to remember which makes it harder for me to keep clear in my head who has said what. I didn’t feel exposed without a vote - it’s not as if we were under pressure or had been a serious topic of conversation. I instead opted to put a vote down between two players that have been more under the spotlight, going for the one I’ve found to be more suspect.

 

[Lifeboat]

I’ve already shared that I struggle in costume games due to everyone basically being a “new” person to remember which makes it harder for me to keep clear in my head who has said what. I didn’t feel exposed without a vote - it’s not as if we were under pressure or had been a serious topic of conversation. I instead opted to put a vote down between two players that have been more under the spotlight, going for the one I’ve found to be more suspect.

How much interaction have you had with your partner. Did you post the neutral retort?

 

[Kayak]

How much interaction have you had with your partner. Did you post the neutral retort?

I’d have to check again, but I don’t think my partner has posted at all in here. I’ll also freely admit that it only dawned on me shortly ago that my new post notifications and from what point “my” reading would be continued from in a thread would be impacted by the other, so, uh, I kinda ghosted them for half a day in our chat and honestly can’t be sure I didn’t miss some posts in this thread lol I made the neutral post because orange is just mild red in case that joke totally whiffed.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Surprising to hear galleon has never heard of expressions like “exploit that loophole.” That’s the context in which I meant it, like “take advantage of.”

What is the point of this post?

I'll speak since I'm the half of our account that has these points. So, basically, I always worry when someone gets townread based on stuff they have posted in the opening hours. That isn't to say there's nothing to be learned there, of course, but I voted there merely for the principal of the matter. As I've discussed with my other half, unless there is something major that happens with Sub, our vote will not be on Sub when the captain sends us to dock for the night.

It seemed like your opening vote on sub was jokey and happened before they garnered town reads but you're now saying that you voted on principle based on the reception they were getting?

You're absolutely right, I do have my timeline confused.

So are we going to talk about Houseboat trying to manufacture a reason for their vote despite it not being the reason for their vote?

I understand getting timelines confused but not to the extent of coming up with a reason for a vote that did not exist when I voted.

 

[Jet Ski]

Vote: Yacht

I was honestly expecting to come out on the other side of this with a vote on Lifeboat, but I think the aggroness just reads a bit funky in the moment. I do think they're wrong about Kayak who just gives me lost townie vibes right now though.

So what I noticed on reading through the game is we have quite a bit of slots who are right in that sweet spot of not really rocking the boat, but also doing just enough to stay out of the sus pile and the slots that I noticed this the most from was Cruise Ship, Yacht, and the inflata boat. Of those 3 Cruise Ship has that weird opening post, but they kind of fall off pretty hard after that and that conversation about exploit made my eyes glaze over. Yacht and Inflata boat didn't stick out to me at all. I feel slightly better about the boat for reasons I can't put my finger on, so the vote is going here.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Not much to go off of, but so far based on vibes I'm also in camp Town-Submarine.

Vote candidates for me are Galleon and Yacht. I'm not a fan of the reasoning based on the pre game joke. While it is the case that Scum know their team, in my experience they won't make it this obvious unless they post in the wrong thread by accident. In fact usually Scum have a harder time interacting with each other than with Town, so if anything I'd say Houseboat and Duck are probably not Scum/Scum.
Yacht is more vibes based. Their read on Galleon feels a bit off I think, not sure why it's bothering me though.

I can't speak for my partner, but at least I'm leaning Town on Duck and I haven't payed enough attention to houseboat to form a solid opinion yet.

Yacht is still under investigation, but their recent posts have put them solidly below Galleon on the Scum scale.

I am very comfortable with my red read on kayak

that vote on houseboat is so hesitant and clause filled. It is half way through day 1. You don't need a good reason to vote for anyone but it seems like they were feeling exposed by not having a voted down. I honestly don't even know why they voted other than to fit in. I don't see how pressuring houseboat does anything but it looks like they are playing when they are not really engaged at all.

Apologies if this is two seperate people here.

I'm noticing you go from vote candidates of Galleon/Yacht to a Town read of Duck, being unsure on Houseboat situation, to scum on Kayak all WITHOUT giving an actual read on Houseboat at all. They feel pretty center to this situation so you dancing around it is not giving me a good feeling. This feels like you are keeping yourself open for any potential vote option towards end of day.

 

[Houseboat]

So are we going to talk about Houseboat trying to manufacture a reason for their vote despite it not being the reason for their vote?

I understand getting timelines confused but not to the extent of coming up with a reason for a vote that did not exist when I voted.

I'm very glad you brought this up, allow me to explain better. When I first voted for Submarine, yes, it absolutely was a joke vote. As the game progressed, however, instead of moving it off of them, I kept it on them for the reasons I listed in the big post you quoted.

As of right now, though, Submarine is not my account of interest, and thus...
UNVOTE

I appreciate you calling me out of this though so I could further elaborate!

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

I'm very glad you brought this up, allow me to explain better. When I first voted for Submarine, yes, it absolutely was a joke vote. As the game progressed, however, instead of moving it off of them, I kept it on them for the reasons I listed in the big post you quoted.

As of right now, though, Submarine is not my account of interest, and thus...
UNVOTE

I appreciate you calling me out of this though so I could further elaborate!

and who is your account of interest

ignoring that i dont know who is making which posts so the one im thinking of might not be you

the last post where you listed out people said you dont particularly dislike anyone except low hanging fruit kayak

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I appreciate you calling me out of this though so I could further elaborate!

Were you aware this was a point of confusion that needed elaborated on prior to my post? Or not until?

 

[Submarine]

Vote: Yacht

I was honestly expecting to come out on the other side of this with a vote on Lifeboat, but I think the aggroness just reads a bit funky in the moment. I do think they're wrong about Kayak who just gives me lost townie vibes right now though.

So what I noticed on reading through the game is we have quite a bit of slots who are right in that sweet spot of not really rocking the boat, but also doing just enough to stay out of the sus pile and the slots that I noticed this the most from was Cruise Ship, Yacht, and the inflata boat. Of those 3 Cruise Ship has that weird opening post, but they kind of fall off pretty hard after that and that conversation about exploit made my eyes glaze over. Yacht and Inflata boat didn't stick out to me at all. I feel slightly better about the boat for reasons I can't put my finger on, so the vote is going here.

Love this vote, tell me more about Yacht though. Is it just a PoE from your list of three middle-of-the-roaders, or is there anything else that sticks out? Also, I agree about the exploit thing making my eyes glaze over as well, but how does that move Cruise Ship out of vote contention among those three exactly? Just trying to understand more how your thought process went there.

 

[Yacht]

You're absolutely right, I do have my timeline confused.

You got confused on the reasoning behind your own vote?

 

[Houseboat]

Were you aware this was a point of confusion that needed elaborated on prior to my post? Or not until?

I did, yes, my accountmate mentioned it in our chat and I said I would have a response formulated if someone decided to bring it up, which you did.

 

[Jet Ski]

Vote: Yacht

I was honestly expecting to come out on the other side of this with a vote on Lifeboat, but I think the aggroness just reads a bit funky in the moment. I do think they're wrong about Kayak who just gives me lost townie vibes right now though.

So what I noticed on reading through the game is we have quite a bit of slots who are right in that sweet spot of not really rocking the boat, but also doing just enough to stay out of the sus pile and the slots that I noticed this the most from was Cruise Ship, Yacht, and the inflata boat. Of those 3 Cruise Ship has that weird opening post, but they kind of fall off pretty hard after that and that conversation about exploit made my eyes glaze over. Yacht and Inflata boat didn't stick out to me at all. I feel slightly better about the boat for reasons I can't put my finger on, so the vote is going here.

You're going to have to explain this all to me like I'm a child.

 

[Cruise Ship]

So what I noticed on reading through the game is we have quite a bit of slots who are right in that sweet spot of not really rocking the boat, but also doing just enough to stay out of the sus pile and the slots that I noticed this the most from was Cruise Ship, Yacht, and the inflata boat.

Sorry about that. I'm having trouble following the game with all this new players and relating avatars to posts like I usually do. I'm still a bit lost.

Some early impresions:

- Top town would be Submarine. The posts have a townie vibe and I think that I have a good idea who is #2 and they are in their usual townie range.
- I liked post #237 from Jet Ski. It was the exact same thing that I had in my mind when I was reading Houseboat point.
- I'm also liking most of Gondola posts.
- Unsure what to think about Houseboat. I think that their argument against Sub's early town reads is not good and pretty sus but I liked #288 so, I don't know.
- Not feeling good about Galleon. Their initial vote was weird and there is not much there.

 

[Jet Ski]

Love this vote, tell me more about Yacht though. Is it just a PoE from your list of three middle-of-the-roaders, or is there anything else that sticks out? Also, I agree about the exploit thing making my eyes glaze over as well, but how does that move Cruise Ship out of vote contention among those three exactly? Just trying to understand more how your thought process went there.

You're going to have to explain this all to me like I'm a child.

I'll throw you in here as well other really cool person because I think my answer here will probably answer your question also.

Anyway Submarine Sandwich, so the big thing that caught my eye rereading Yacht is that I counted a total of 3 times where they a give a stance on anything. One where they say Duck is probably wrong town so that might be something to note, and the other two are posts disagreeing with themselves. Other than that every single post is mechanics talk, a meme, or a question. There's very little actually there despite them being present. Out of contention is strong wording. I just dislike their posts less.

 

[Kayak]

Vote: Yacht

I was honestly expecting to come out on the other side of this with a vote on Lifeboat, but I think the aggroness just reads a bit funky in the moment. I do think they're wrong about Kayak who just gives me lost townie vibes right now though.

So what I noticed on reading through the game is we have quite a bit of slots who are right in that sweet spot of not really rocking the boat, but also doing just enough to stay out of the sus pile and the slots that I noticed this the most from was Cruise Ship, Yacht, and the inflata boat. Of those 3 Cruise Ship has that weird opening post, but they kind of fall off pretty hard after that and that conversation about exploit made my eyes glaze over. Yacht and Inflata boat didn't stick out to me at all. I feel slightly better about the boat for reasons I can't put my finger on, so the vote is going here.

Yeahhh this is what I’m thinking too. I just like this vote more tbh, too milquetoast so far. Since votes have shifted a bit anyways I’m jumping ship (harr harr).

VOTE: Yacht

 

[Yacht]

Yacht is more interesting in that I think their posts feel a bit more “fluffy”. There’s content, but often it isn’t content that feels directly like it’s coming from a town mindset. There’s discussion, but not much in the way of firm stances imo. I’d say a light scum lean, would at least consider a vote here today as well. Honestly - would maybe be my preferred vote, though with the tie that’s down right now I’ll push to make things more interesting instead:

VOTE: Houseboat

Lifeboat brought it up already but this posts flows a bit odd with you landing on houseboat. The tie you're referring to breaking is a 2:2 between houseboat and sub so I don't think someone who is reading the room would see that going either way. I think I would have preferred if you stayed closer to your read and voted me rather than constrain yourself to an existing wagon.

I'm very glad you brought this up, allow me to explain better. When I first voted for Submarine, yes, it absolutely was a joke vote. As the game progressed, however, instead of moving it off of them, I kept it on them for the reasons I listed in the big post you quoted.

As of right now, though, Submarine is not my account of interest, and thus...
UNVOTE

I appreciate you calling me out of this though so I could further elaborate!

The tone of this post feels off, like you're trying too hard to play nice. I'd almost say it feels coached, which:

I did, yes, my accountmate mentioned it in our chat and I said I would have a response formulated if someone decided to bring it up, which you did.

I'm not seeing the town thinking behind holding a prepared statement in case you face further pressure.
Vote: Houseboat

One where they say Duck is probably wrong town so that might be something to note

I think you've gotten confused with a post I made on Galleon here.

 

[Kayak]

Lifeboat brought it up already but this posts flows a bit odd with you landing on houseboat. The tie you're referring to breaking is a 2:2 between houseboat and sub so I don't think someone who is reading the room would see that going either way. I think I would have preferred if you stayed closer to your read and voted me rather than constrain yourself to an existing wagon.

The tone of this post feels off, like you're trying too hard to play nice. I'd almost say it feels coached, which:

I'm not seeing the town thinking behind holding a prepared statement in case you face further pressure.
Vote: Houseboat

I think you've gotten confused with a post I made on Galleon here.

It’s effectively a small game when we consider how many accounts there are, a 2-2 tie isn’t nothing and even if we do feel so, I felt putting a vote down to break that tie, push a wagon into the lead, and see what may result was of better merit than at the time what would’ve been a solo vote on you. I get your point, just approached it from a different mindset.

 

[Houseboat]

The tone of this post feels off, like you're trying too hard to play nice. I'd almost say it feels coached, which:

I'm not seeing the town thinking behind holding a prepared statement in case you face further pressure.

Well, remember, I'm not just playing for myself here, I'm playing for my accountmate. Whether I'm town or scum, I'd prefer to not let my words be the reason we get voted off day one, so it's only fair for me to get a nudge by them to "play nice", as you put it.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I'll throw you in here as well other really cool person because I think my answer here will probably answer your question also.

Anyway Submarine Sandwich, so the big thing that caught my eye rereading Yacht is that I counted a total of 3 times where they a give a stance on anything. One where they say Duck is probably wrong town so that might be something to note, and the other two are posts disagreeing with themselves. Other than that every single post is mechanics talk, a meme, or a question. There's very little actually there despite them being present. Out of contention is strong wording. I just dislike their posts less.

Following this, what do you think of Beluga Whale? I reread them earlier today and I'd argue they have less stances than Yacht.

Well, remember, I'm not just playing for myself here, I'm playing for my accountmate. Whether I'm town or scum, I'd prefer to not let my words be the reason we get voted off day one, so it's only fair for me to get a nudge by them to "play nice", as you put it.

In that case, who are you focused on right now?

 

[Submarine]

The fact I had to scroll through this thread three different times to find what conent was new for me specifically is making me cry lol.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

For the sake of clarity:

Vote: Houseboat

as I agree with Yacht that having a pre-prepared response to pressure and only keeping it when said pressure arrives is sus. On top of everything else.

Interestingly, I have been putting together a reads list in our boat chat and the only ones I couldn't do off the top of my head were Yacht, Jet Ski, and Cruise Ship. I'm hoping to get a handle on those reads before today ends but I am curious to see how this Yacht push turns out as I have nothing on them.

 

[Submarine]

Houseboat just feels too much like low hanging fruit to me lol, idk, I just can't see myself voting there.

Beluga Whale is a good shoutout above by Inflatable though I think, they've definitely had that lowkey blending/background behavior too as the day has moved forward, could see myself ending up there maybe if that keeps up.

 

[Jet Ski]

Following this, what do you think of Beluga Whale? I reread them earlier today and I'd argue they have less stances than Yacht.

In that case, who are you focused on right now?

I'll be honest, I was expecting to come out more negative about them than I did.

Definitely something to keep an eye on, a little sus. Our vote might end up there today

Does potential avenues mean Lifeboat looking at Yacht and Galleon? Can you explain the narrative bit?

As for the whole don't town read this person early, it's NAI for me atm. This early in the game, less than 12 hours, I would say it could be a conservative mindset and not exactly done with malicious intent. Some people dislike giving out town or scum reads too early. At EoD if they were still saying similar without any reasoning then I'd want them to give thoughts on why rather than asking.

I'm liking Sub, Gondola, Lifeboat right now.

Submarine is because of their activity and how I feel like with their presence anything they do would get hyperfocus. They're even doing ISOs already. Good feelings there as pushing forward is always welcome.

Gondola is putting out questions and trying to get the game moving. They're not filler either so it doesn't seem like busywork.

Lifeboat is aggressive, but in a townie way where I don't think they care about people liking them.

But these are actual stances and reads. I'm not going to see they're great or anything, but it's a good starting place. It's enough to make me not want to kill them day 1 at least.

 

[Submarine]

Mmm, those are some good Beluga posts, agreed.