Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats

[The Bear]

“Look at me everyone! I’m riding a Jet Ski!”

“OMG, yes he is! That Bear is riding a Jet Ski!”

“Wait… if that’s true… then where’s…?”

Jet Ski has died!

Welcome to the Love Boat Spin-Off Mafia!

You and another anonymous player have invaded the body of a costume account Jet Ski. You both will post in the game using this same account.

You are aligned with THE BOATS which means Town.

Your shared role is Vanilla Town. You have no special powers, but may vote.

If your shared costume account dies during the game, both of you leave the game in the process.

You do not know who the other player controlling the account is. But you both share the same alignment and role.

You may talk with the other player in the special Partner Chat during the game. You both must use the singular costume account to post in that chat.

You win the game, when all threats to THE BOATS have been defeated.

Costume account username: Jet Ski

Costume account password: Removed

Please confirm you have received your Role PM by replying here.

Day 2 Begins

Majority is 6

Day 2 Ends in:

 

[Lifeboat]

Rip Jet Ski. They were too cool for this world.

@Houseboat who did you protect?

 

[Houseboat]

Ah great I am still alive.

@Houseboat who did you protect?

I do not see how revealing that information helps town.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

They likely cannot protect same target two nights in a row. I don't know if it would be wise to answer. Others can disagree.

 

[Submarine]

Yeah, Jet Ski makes sense.

Took a break during the night phase, but I'm going to look over votes later today to see if anything stands out. I remember feeling kind of sus on Cruise Ship towards EoD, it felt like they were sheeping me hard on Galleon before votes started moving there, so I think I want to start there.

 

[Lifeboat]

They likely cannot protect same target two nights in a row. I don't know if it would be wise to answer. Others can disagree.

Makes sense, I didn't think of that. It can wait for D3 if they're still alive then.

 

[Gondola]

Rip, hope Bear enjoys the Jetski? Gondola reporting in *waves*

 

[Beluga Whale]

Yeah, Jet Ski makes sense.

Took a break during the night phase, but I'm going to look over votes later today to see if anything stands out. I remember feeling kind of sus on Cruise Ship towards EoD, it felt like they were sheeping me hard on Galleon before votes started moving there, so I think I want to start there.

Why does Jet Ski make sense?

 

[Submarine]

Why does Jet Ski make sense?

Thinking from Scum's perspective, I would say the top targets were Houseboat, myself, and Jet Ski. I was basically the Top Town Read™, Houseboat claimed Doc, Jet Ski was #2 Town. Scum didn't want to shoot Top Town in case Doc goes there, don't shoot Doc in case self protect, shoots #2 Town instead. I've made that decision as Scum myself plenty of times, hence, makes sense.

 

[Lifeboat]

I tried to look at the reactions to the Doc claim during the night, but didn't really came to a solid conclusion.
Yachts stands out as one of the few that openly doubts the claim. I'd like to hear their thoughts now that we've had some time to let it simmer.

 

[Gondola]

Gondola reporting in *waves*

 

[Inflatable Boat]

RIP Jet Ski. May you ride the waves of boat-heaven

My partner and I were busy over the night so we did not get the chance to discuss much. I have a few notes I want to go over though.

Why did people want Kayak dead?

What is the general consensus on Yacht at the moment? Are we thinking it's a T/T day end there or something else?

There are a handful of people I want to call attention to but I will do that in my next post. In general I still feel good about: Sub, Duck, and HB (Doc).

 

[Houseboat]

Speculating kills is just WIFOM, but I thought Jet Ski had a pretty strong EOD.

I am not interested in relitigating Day 1 at the start of Day 2 so I am not going to look at Yacht and Kayak right away. I did not do much reading overnight so time to start.

 

[Beluga Whale]

Thinking from Scum's perspective, I would say the top targets were Houseboat, myself, and Jet Ski. I was basically the Top Town Read™, Houseboat claimed Doc, Jet Ski was #2 Town. Scum didn't want to shoot Top Town in case Doc goes there, don't shoot Doc in case self protect, shoots #2 Town instead. I've made that decision as Scum myself plenty of times, hence, makes sense.

I see. I need to go back for everyone's readlists because I only have vague impressions of them. Or, if people didn't get around to it yesterday they can just write it now so it's easy (for me) to see.

 

[Gondola]

RIP Jet Ski. May you ride the waves of boat-heaven

My partner and I were busy over the night so we did not get the chance to discuss much. I have a few notes I want to go over though.

Why did people want Kayak dead?

What is the general consensus on Yacht at the moment? Are we thinking it's a T/T day end there or something else?

There are a handful of people I want to call attention to but I will do that in my next post. In general I still feel good about: Sub, Duck, and HB (Doc).

I was definitely put off by the way Kayak presented themselves and engaged later in the day, felt like they were just taking a negative view on things and weren't really willing to engage in discussion back the way. This was a slot I had a think about with my partner over night though and we think they're just within their usual zone. I don't think this is a slot to go after today.

Not sure with Yacht, they're definitely on the lower end of my reads right now, if we take houseboat as the doc then there isn't much left to their day one. Wasn't sure what to make of them sitting off on skiff til the very end of day. Is that what makes you suggest T/T or is it something else?

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I still don't feel good about Galleon:

As has been previously mentioned this vote was really weird:



Early vote so it could easily be explained with claiming it being a joke but:



They double down on that read. It seems so sus.

This post read that someone else wrote it and, to me, it reads like they are doing some damage control:



But then they go back to calling Houseboat slimy and tried to make connections to another players:



And super scummy:



Something similar has been brought up for Houseboat here:



I agree that Houseboat vote looks bad but Galleon's early vote and how they are now trying to justify it also seems like someone who is worried about moving their vote and also trying to create a reason for not moving it.

Right now I think that I Galleon and Houseboat feel like a good place to vote. Planning to put a vote down on one of them later, after I talk it with myself a little bit more.

I just want to point out this vote for Galleon is on lowhanging fruit and was one of the more bandwagon-y votes I noticed when rereading. It's very surface level vote with easy justification and, imo, lookeds pretty bad now that we know Galleon's alignment.

If I were to believe HB's claim then my vote is going to be between Kayak and Inflatable. They both were scum reading HB but Inflatable's insistence is more odd if knowing HB will flip town. Seeing as Kayak is in contention I'll go there for now.

Vote: Kayak

Question for you Beluga. You say here that you're giving us the benefit of the doubt and say that we're unlikely to be scum because of our insistence on HB. However, you never say the same about Galleon! The closest you get is saying that Galleon is 'like a disorganized inflatable' but don't give a clear read there. In fact, you keep yourself pretty open to voting there and don't seem to question the vote heading in that direction a whole bunch.

So, why was Galleon different from us?

A couple of thoughts. If a name isn't here that means I'm okay or neutral with them currently but not necessarily townreading.

Inflatable boat
Weird feelings here. They're consistent with not liking Houseboat and want to vote them, that doesn't change although the reasoning grows. HB seems like their primary concern most of the day. They do show an inquisitiveness to ask questions such as to Lifeboat and Cruise Ship but doesn't seem to follow through afterwards. Mentions half of them liking Sub but follows up in post #410 and #423 with some minor and joking shade. It's not enough to vote them today but I would certainly keep an eye on their vote history and read list.

Kayak
A little easier to read since it's apparently one person atm posting. Don't like that reasoning for their HB vote. It was early in the game and didn't need a qualifier of voting to make things interesting. No one is going to jump to vote because of it 12 hours into the game, it didn't need a justification so it feels like Kayak was being unnecessarily careful here. Their later Yacht vote was consistent with their initial read but they did so attached to Jet Ski's read and vote of Yacht, so I'm unsure of if they were confident in the read or needed a push. A slight scum read.

Yacht
I've read through Yacht and have a hard time knowing what they're going for. There's a lot of outreach but little introspection. I am curious when they said they had a quick read on people they haven't mentioned and didn't say anything about Inflatable despite referencing them. I think the difference is that they've talked to and about other players but we don't know what they think of them.

Houseboat
A lot of points have been said about HB but I don't know what to think here. Their initial pushback against Submarine being townread started with Giant Rubber Duck's post in #168 and then continued until they claimed the pair's opinion was split afterwards. I think not liking early town reads is an acceptable stance, but It was a strange stance and one that has me looking over towards Sub tbh, because if they were linked HBs initial reaction and then their confused retraction would make a lot of sense. They don't rock the boat (...) afterwards so it seems like they're being careful about what they post. Slight scum read.

Skiff
Not much there and I think their insistence on LB having 4 potential votes and therefore scum reads is kind of silly this early (Logically, it would be 3 at most since one pair is written as T/S). Kind of a wildcard. I won't be voting here today but would like to see something more from them.

1. Read post #443 for my thoughts on you. If HB is town that makes me look for people who either wanted an easy vote or interacted weirdly.
2. Your initial vote was on HB but you changed to Yacht later on (tbf you mentioned wanting to vote Yacht and would like to in the same post you voted HB). The initial reasoning for your HB vote, to push it to contentious territory against Sub, made little sense and seemed to be testing the waters.
3. What I mean by that is being hardline from start to finish against someone you know is going to flip town is an odd scum strategy.

There's nothing stopping me, true, but why do you think I feel Inflatable is more apt than you to vote? I feel that there's something there but qualified it with you being the more odd one out of the two for how you backed down quickly on HB in comparison.

Reading back, I can see a scum Galleon if HB is town. They seem to just really dislike HB and instead of having a reason it's like the reason follows the intention of voting for HB. I'd say that Galleon's HB read is like a more disorganized Inflatable.

I won't say this again, I don't feel good about anything.

I would not vote Giant Rubber Duck, Submarine, Gondola or Yacht today.

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It wasn't meant to add detail or explanation but saying anything else would be a lie. And I do not lie.

Looking at Kayak, Galleon and Yacht I think the later two are solid B-tier votes. I don't mind keeping Kayak around for now as the combined unsurety and snippiness seems real.

Galleon talking to each other here rather than in the partner chat feels a bit performative.

Yacht asks many questions but comes up with a very boring answer. Personally I'd be interested in seeing their flip due to their partial defence of Lifeboat (I think it would be rad to be right about an early game read).
Vote: Yacht

Unfortunately my activity will be slightly less than usual as it appears mobile doesn't support signatures.

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Hey Skiff, what happened to "I would not vote for Yacht today"? Considering you said they were an early game scum read for you but that wasn't the case at all.

 

[Lifeboat]

Why did Yacht not vote at the end of the day?

You said you thought there might be scum between Duck and Galleon but you didn't put a vote down. Were you worried about the perception of you self preserving?

 

[Skiff]

Hey Skiff, what happened to "I would not vote for Yacht today"? Considering you said they were an early game scum read for you but that wasn't the case at all.

lmao, why did I put Yacht in my would not vote list, this is why you should give these things more than 10 seconds of thought I guess.

I wouldn't call Yacht an early game scum read though, I just found them to be the most suspect out of the candidates with more than one vote (who weren't houseboat). In terms of my actual reads I've actually called off a lot on lifeboat after rereading their more recent posts.

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[Beluga Whale]

I just want to point out this vote for Galleon is on lowhanging fruit and was one of the more bandwagon-y votes I noticed when rereading. It's very surface level vote with easy justification and, imo, lookeds pretty bad now that we know Galleon's alignment.


Question for you Beluga. You say here that you're giving us the benefit of the doubt and say that we're unlikely to be scum because of our insistence on HB. However, you never say the same about Galleon! The closest you get is saying that Galleon is 'like a disorganized inflatable' but don't give a clear read there. In fact, you keep yourself pretty open to voting there and don't seem to question the vote heading in that direction a whole bunch.

So, why was Galleon different from us?

Reasonable, the difference here is that the trains were between Galleon and Yacht. I didn't see scum in Yacht while I had reason to scum read Galleon. I hadn't realized that Galleon was similar to Inflatable until later, when I ISO'd them after their train took off and in hindsight maybe should have refocused on why I thought they were disorganized. Initially taking HB as town, my vote would have landed between either Kayak or Inflatable. As I had said, in comparison between Inflatable and Kayak I would err on Kayak's side as I thought being so insistent made you less likely to be scum. Therefore there really wasn't a big difference between you. If you were in contention I would have similarly swung that way.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Speculating kills is just WIFOM, but I thought Jet Ski had a pretty strong EOD.

I am not interested in relitigating Day 1 at the start of Day 2 so I am not going to look at Yacht and Kayak right away. I did not do much reading overnight so time to start.

Where are you interested in looking, then?

I was definitely put off by the way Kayak presented themselves and engaged later in the day, felt like they were just taking a negative view on things and weren't really willing to engage in discussion back the way. This was a slot I had a think about with my partner over night though and we think they're just within their usual zone. I don't think this is a slot to go after today.

Not sure with Yacht, they're definitely on the lower end of my reads right now, if we take houseboat as the doc then there isn't much left to their day one. Wasn't sure what to make of them sitting off on skiff til the very end of day. Is that what makes you suggest T/T or is it something else?

Interesting, okay. What are your read(s) of Skiff?

Sort of. I'm unsure still how I take their last two posts of Day End there as it's clear they were going back and looking over things but they never actually answered the question if they believed HB's claim or not. Not moving their vote at Day End can be taken so many ways that I'm WIFOMing it a lot - Scum who knows Galleon is Town and doesn't want to look bad, Town who really doesn't think Galleon is scummy and won't vote there, etc. etc.

However, I think figuring out Yacht's alignment will help determine how to best look at Day End there. If it's T/T then Scum don't have too much investment as to who dies - so we can look at those who didn't seem interested, easy votes, etc. But if Yacht IS Scum then it becomes far more important to look at the Galleon voters. Hence why I'm asking so we can figure this out.

 

[Houseboat]

I wouldn't call Yacht an early game scum read though, I just found them to be the most suspect out of the candidates with more than one vote (who weren't houseboat).

So are you rethinking this stance or do you still feel the same way?

 

[Cruise Ship]

A self-protect is not common, so I'm a little surprised to see Houseboat alive today.

Took a break during the night phase, but I'm going to look over votes later today to see if anything stands out. I remember feeling kind of sus on Cruise Ship towards EoD, it felt like they were sheeping me hard on Galleon before votes started moving there, so I think I want to start there.

I was one of the originators of the Galleon train -- made my big ISO of them before you were really making a case, so if anybody sheeped anybody it would be you ... but I think we just both came to the same wrong conclusions.

 

[Lifeboat]

RIP Jet Ski. May you ride the waves of boat-heaven

My partner and I were busy over the night so we did not get the chance to discuss much. I have a few notes I want to go over though.

Why did people want Kayak dead?

What is the general consensus on Yacht at the moment? Are we thinking it's a T/T day end there or something else?

There are a handful of people I want to call attention to but I will do that in my next post. In general I still feel good about: Sub, Duck, and HB (Doc).

I wanted Kayak dead because they weren't contributing. Their reads and vote felt forced. They did not seem to be having a good time like the whole game was a strain.

These are things i normally associate with people who are mafia

 

[Beluga Whale]

Why did Yacht not vote at the end of the day?

You said you thought there might be scum between Duck and Galleon but you didn't put a vote down. Were you worried about the perception of you self preserving?

Might want to tag them so they don't gloss over the post. @Yacht

Where are you interested in looking, then?

Interesting, okay. What are your read(s) of Skiff?

Sort of. I'm unsure still how I take their last two posts of Day End there as it's clear they were going back and looking over things but they never actually answered the question if they believed HB's claim or not. Not moving their vote at Day End can be taken so many ways that I'm WIFOMing it a lot - Scum who knows Galleon is Town and doesn't want to look bad, Town who really doesn't think Galleon is scummy and won't vote there, etc. etc.

However, I think figuring out Yacht's alignment will help determine how to best look at Day End there. If it's T/T then Scum don't have too much investment as to who dies - so we can look at those who didn't seem interested, easy votes, etc. But if Yacht IS Scum then it becomes far more important to look at the Galleon voters. Hence why I'm asking so we can figure this out.

If Yacht does flip T/T, then what do you think are easy votes/people who are disinterested?

 

[The Bear]

Jet Ski has left a will:

"Don’t touch my jet ski, nerds."

 

[Skiff]

So are you rethinking this stance or do you still feel the same way?

I'm kind of hoping my partner will come out and do the rethinking for me :p

Between Yacht and Kayak I'd still vote Yacht at the moment, but I don't have any real desire to vote anyone right now.

Inflatable Boat is coming out of the dock very strong today compared to their more subdued performance on day 1, is there a particular reason for that @Inflatable Boat?

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[Gondola]

Where are you interested in looking, then?

Interesting, okay. What are your read(s) of Skiff?

Sort of. I'm unsure still how I take their last two posts of Day End there as it's clear they were going back and looking over things but they never actually answered the question if they believed HB's claim or not. Not moving their vote at Day End can be taken so many ways that I'm WIFOMing it a lot - Scum who knows Galleon is Town and doesn't want to look bad, Town who really doesn't think Galleon is scummy and won't vote there, etc. etc.

However, I think figuring out Yacht's alignment will help determine how to best look at Day End there. If it's T/T then Scum don't have too much investment as to who dies - so we can look at those who didn't seem interested, easy votes, etc. But if Yacht IS Scum then it becomes far more important to look at the Galleon voters. Hence why I'm asking so we can figure this out.

There's not a lot there for Skiff on ISO. I think the account is genuinely amusing but they didn't really do much yesterday. On the lower end of things and would like to see them play the game a bit more today.

Looking at Yatch sitting off wagon at day end, I could see them being afraid of getting back on a flip they know is going to be green and risk getting heat so they just sat off and hoped people on would look worse. Reading their posts and they kind of wiggle back and forth on Galleon so I don't know why you don't just take the surefire bet (yourself) in that scenario. I don't really understand why why Galleon didn't move either tbh.

 

[Houseboat]

I wanted Kayak dead because they weren't contributing. Their reads and vote felt forced. They did not seem to be having a good time like the whole game was a strain.

These are things i normally associate with people who are mafia

And you still feel this way, yes? Would them suddenly participating in a more fun way today change your mind or confirm your suspicions?

 

[Submarine]

A self-protect is not common, so I'm a little surprised to see Houseboat alive today.


I was one of the originators of the Galleon train -- made my big ISO of them before you were really making a case, so if anybody sheeped anybody it would be you ... but I think we just both came to the same wrong conclusions.

We started the train on Galleon and both of us were suspicious of them, I was just containing those thoughts more to our chat until I had time to do a read on them. You saved me some of that time by posting your big reread of them and that’s when I said I agreed with you.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

lmao, why did I put Yacht in my would not vote list, this is why you should give these things more than 10 seconds of thought I guess.

I wouldn't call Yacht an early game scum read though, I just found them to be the most suspect out of the candidates with more than one vote (who weren't houseboat). In terms of my actual reads I've actually called off a lot on lifeboat after rereading their more recent posts.

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I feel like I may know who the person behind the signature is here and this seems in-line with how you play.

But I would still like to posit that Skiff could be Neutral lol.

Reasonable, the difference here is that the trains were between Galleon and Yacht. I didn't see scum in Yacht while I had reason to scum read Galleon. I hadn't realized that Galleon was similar to Inflatable until later, when I ISO'd them after their train took off and in hindsight maybe should have refocused on why I thought they were disorganized. Initially taking HB as town, my vote would have landed between either Kayak or Inflatable. As I had said, in comparison between Inflatable and Kayak I would err on Kayak's side as I thought being so insistent made you less likely to be scum. Therefore there really wasn't a big difference between you. If you were in contention I would have similarly swung that way.

Would you be willing to walk me through your Kayak read and why they stuck out so much more?

I wanted Kayak dead because they weren't contributing. Their reads and vote felt forced. They did not seem to be having a good time like the whole game was a strain.

These are things i normally associate with people who are mafia

Replying to this to also make a note that I plan to go over Kayak myself. So I'll respond when I do so.

Might want to tag them so they don't gloss over the post. @Yacht


If Yacht does flip T/T, then what do you think are easy votes/people who are disinterested?

Cruis Ship for sure, I dislike the vote. Skiff seems disinterested in the game as whole so I would look there too, but I lean neutral. I have a note that I didn't like Gondola's vote as it "felt bandwagony" so I would look there as well.

Honestly, knowing Yacht is T for a T/T would help me clear some people some as well. Lifeboat, Beluga, and Sub were all around towards day end and asking questions/making vote changes and the like. I find that investment to be Townie in that case so it would help me narrow the field more.

I'm kind of hoping my partner will come out and do the rethinking for me :p

Between Yacht and Kayak I'd still vote Yacht at the moment, but I don't have any real desire to vote anyone right now.

Inflatable Boat is coming out of the dock very strong today compared to their more subdued performance on day 1, is there a particular reason for that @Inflatable Boat?

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I'm bored at work and have stuff to comment on :shrug:

 

[Lifeboat]

And you still feel this way, yes? Would them suddenly participating in a more fun way today change your mind or confirm your suspicions?

i do.

obviously if they started participating more I would re-evaluate. but until they actually give me causse to i don't know why I would change my scum read on them. Obviously some other flips might also change things. i said that i don't see them with yacht.

As far as Yacht is concerned it is strange they did not do anything at end of day despite being there. if it turns out they are scum then Galleon should learn a lesson that you need to vote for the person against you. If it was sitting at 6-5 in favour of voting out yacht then the day doesn't end on Galleon imo.

i really wanted inflatible to make the casting vote just for receipts. If they pick the mafia then it is all good. So I was kind of annoyed that Jet Ski was son antsy at end of day. but also inflatible should be making a decision way earlier. I don't know what to make of them dithering tbh. Did they see Jet Ski move before they voted, unlikely, but we can't know for sure.

 

[Submarine]

I agree with others that the focus for today should be to solve yacht and decide whether we need to do that via voting or not lol

my read of them yesterday when I did an iso was that they seemed fine posting wise, but their voting record and their vote of house boat in particular felt off. I also found it weird that they didn’t go with Galleon even in self defense, but to be fair Galleon didn’t either.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

i do.

obviously if they started participating more I would re-evaluate. but until they actually give me causse to i don't know why I would change my scum read on them. Obviously some other flips might also change things. i said that i don't see them with yacht.

As far as Yacht is concerned it is strange they did not do anything at end of day despite being there. if it turns out they are scum then Galleon should learn a lesson that you need to vote for the person against you. If it was sitting at 6-5 in favour of voting out yacht then the day doesn't end on Galleon imo.

i really wanted inflatible to make the casting vote just for receipts. If they pick the mafia then it is all good. So I was kind of annoyed that Jet Ski was son antsy at end of day. but also inflatible should be making a decision way earlier. I don't know what to make of them dithering tbh. Did they see Jet Ski move before they voted, unlikely, but we can't know for sure.

Since Yacht didn't move to a Town!Galleon to save themselves wouldn't you see it as Town? I feel like Scum in this instance wouldn't hesitate with their life on the line.

My other half and I were discussing in our boat chat what to do about the vote and they were the ones making the posts at that time. They were 50/50 on Galleon and Yacht while I was still more in the 'Galleon seems fine' camp and wwanted Yacht out of the two - so they were checking with me about how to vote, hence the delay. We both lament that Jet Ski was so antsy at the time but it is what it is.

If we had voted earlier would you have gone for Yacht?

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

:|

 

[Beluga Whale]

Would you be willing to walk me through your Kayak read and why they stuck out so much more?

Sure. Kayak's vote for HB felt like they were feeling the temperature of the room and voting for them because traction against HB kicked up rather than anything else. They weren't Kayak's top vote choice. Their reasoning, that they wanted to tie the votes up and spur activity ring hollow 12 hours into D1, but that has been gone over a lot of times. They switched to their scum read later on after agreeing with (Jet Ski I think?) that Yacht was scummy and it's the passivity of it all that sticks out to me. Like they didn't want to be attracting attention.

 

[Beluga Whale]

:|

What is it rubber duckie

 

[Inflatable Boat]

:|

:O

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

So maybe mafia have a roleblocker and can kick the can down the road.

I guess that makes sense.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

Just a little sus the claimed doctor survived, but I might be a bit jumpy. I dunno if they've changed their mind, but my partner was still sus of Houseboat last night when they came back.

 

[Beluga Whale]

So maybe mafia have a roleblocker and can kick the can down the road.

I guess that makes sense.

 

[Lifeboat]

Since Yacht didn't move to a Town!Galleon to save themselves wouldn't you see it as Town? I feel like Scum in this instance wouldn't hesitate with their life on the line.

My other half and I were discussing in our boat chat what to do about the vote and they were the ones making the posts at that time. They were 50/50 on Galleon and Yacht while I was still more in the 'Galleon seems fine' camp and wwanted Yacht out of the two - so they were checking with me about how to vote, hence the delay. We both lament that Jet Ski was so antsy at the time but it is what it is.

If we had voted earlier would you have gone for Yacht?

i wouldn't have moved. At that point i felt like everyone had put their vote down. You would have decided and i was looking for a hammer just because neither candidate was on a voting wagon and it would be sort of dangerous to leave it at 6-5. I wanted submarine to hammer if you went Yacht.

I do get what you are saying about if Yacht was mafia then the need to self preserve should be greater. TBH with neither of them voting I did not feel great after end of day (before the reveal) It just didn't play out right in my mind.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

I will be busy pretty much all of this day phase, traveling, but I should have time to catch up with the thread in between stuff.

It's possible I will miss EoD.

 

[Gondola]

A self-protect is not common, so I'm a little surprised to see Houseboat alive today.


I was one of the originators of the Galleon train -- made my big ISO of them before you were really making a case, so if anybody sheeped anybody it would be you ... but I think we just both came to the same wrong conclusions.

Cruise Ship, looking through your Day 1 and it's kind of sparse for reads beyond the Galleon push and a relatively strong sub town read. What are you thinking now/where are you at?

 

[Lifeboat]

Just a little sus the claimed doctor survived, but I might be a bit jumpy. I dunno if they've changed their mind, but my partner was still sus of Houseboat last night when they came back.

We never vote houseboat without a counter claim (wait until day 3) or we see a flip that contradicts.

For why they didn't die. Mafia saw they claimed 2 shot and decided they could live with it. Was Jet ski the person you thought was going to die last night? I mean they were decently town read but i wouldn't put them as top town.

of course we could be wrong about submarine and keeping doctor alive gives more plausibility for them to continue in the game.

 

[Gondola]

Also, outside of like 6 or 7 posts last day phase it was a one man gondala but I should have a second aboard our gondala more regularly this day phase. Everyone please be excited for them

 

[Gondola]

Also, outside of like 6 or 7 posts last day phase it was a one man gondala but I should have a second aboard our gondala more regularly this day phase. Everyone please be excited for them

 

[Submarine]

Welcome other gondola lol

 

[Inflatable Boat]

We never vote houseboat without a counter claim (wait until day 3) or we see a flip that contradicts.

For why they didn't die. Mafia saw they claimed 2 shot and decided they could live with it. Was Jet ski the person you thought was going to die last night? I mean they were decently town read but i wouldn't put them as top town.

of course we could be wrong about submarine and keeping doctor alive gives more plausibility for them to continue in the game.

am i blind? when did they claim 2 shot?

 

[Inflatable Boat]

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Vote: Lifeboat

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I have many theories but I agree with my partner's vote.

Your turn, Lifeboat

 

[Gondola]

Interesting, okay. What are your read(s) of Skiff?

Skiff just pinged as aloof to me because I couldn't get past the gimmick... and unlike my partner I didn't really find it funny. I haven't played the game which might contribute to that. They didn't seem overly bothered, and considering Skiff's style has already changed up today they were probably right when they said they were just having some fun on D1.

Fwiw the more readable style today is appreciated :P
And actually makes me feel a little better there already. But uh, more readable doesn't necessarily mean clearer.

In terms of my actual reads I've actually called off a lot on lifeboat after rereading their more recent posts.

I'm not actually sure if when you say you've... cooled?... off on this you're saying you feel worse about them or worse about your read of them.

 

[Beluga Whale]

 

[Kayak]

I wanted Kayak dead because they weren't contributing. Their reads and vote felt forced. They did not seem to be having a good time like the whole game was a strain.

These are things i normally associate with people who are mafia

Idk what you are talking about and you are definitely reading too much into w/e you think is goin on. You should probably stick to trying to scum hunt instead of trying to judge someone emotions during the game.

 

[Gondola]

Oh. Interesting.

 

[Kayak]

And it seems lifeboat may have slipped?
Scum role cop maybe?

 

[Houseboat]

I have not claimed any shots or if I am even x-shot at all.

One thing of note with the possible slip above is that more than once they were concerned with perspective slips:

Possible perspective slip where they don't know what it is like to be town because they are have the mafia thread and proper coordination where as i assume most of town are just big chilling on day 1.

mechanics point against sub is that having to name themselves engineer 1 and engineer 2 is to tell someone else who they are like when they are speaking in mafia chat.

When there is only 2 of you it is easy to remember what posts you made and what posts your partner made. But if you need to talk to a wider group then individual id is more important so you don't give mixed messages. the idea of each member id'ing themselves in this thread was maybe a sound one but Sub had already done it for their private chat when to me it doesn't seem like there would be a need to do that.

Possible projection there?

 

[Submarine]

Definitely strange that Lifeboat was that confident that Houseboat claimed 2 Shots.

 

[Lifeboat]

am i blind? when did they claim 2 shot?

I saw the 2s in their post and just auto assumed they said 2 shot. Ignore me. Reading is hard.

 

[Submarine]

I saw the 2s in their post and just auto assumed they said 2 shot. Ignore me. Reading is hard.

 

[Lifeboat]

And it seems lifeboat may have slipped?
Scum role cop maybe?

This is actually the scummiest take on the whole thing

If houseboat isn't mafia they are going to assume houseboat is actually the doctor. Why waste a role cop on that. The whole point of a role cop is to find the town PRs you don't know. I guess it sounded good in your head.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I saw the 2s in their post and just auto assumed they said 2 shot. Ignore me. Reading is hard.

This post?

Alright, -2 with 2 hours to go is not where I wanted to be on Day 1. I will simply put my cards on the table.

I am the doctor.

I was trying to be more lowkey at the start because of this role. When my partner started getting heat I told them to play it cool. Perhaps that is why they were nervous and fumbled their explanation. Shit happens, no worries partner. You do not need to apologize or explain to me.

Do with that information as you will. I would like to live but I am still not going to vote my town reads. If you want to kill your doctor go ahead.

Because I find it hard to believe you misread that.

If you believe they were 2-shot why did you ask who they protected last night?

 

[Lifeboat]

This post?

Because I find it hard to believe you misread that.

If you believe they were 2-shot why did you ask who they protected last night?

My partner asked that. I assume they read correctly.

 

[Lifeboat]

This post?

Because I find it hard to believe you misread that.

If you believe they were 2-shot why did you ask who they protected last night?

Yes the one with multiple 2s in it

 

[Inflatable Boat]

I have not claimed any shots or if I am even x-shot at all.

One thing of note with the possible slip above is that more than once they were concerned with perspective slips:


Possible projection there?

How does the affect your read of LIfeboat?

@Yacht same question to you

 

[Houseboat]

That is a bit strange but I can accept a brainfart, it would be quite hypocritical of me otherwise.

From ISOing Lifeboat they had a pretty townie Day 1. They were concerned with finding scum. They were quite consistent on thinking Kayak, Galleon, and Yacht were scum so no strange votes. They had a high post count which I know of course is not perfectly indicative of town but is more often than not during early game. I respect that they took lengths to avoid a tie at day end. Scum can want to avoid ties at day end to make the game go faster but generally a tie is a bigger pain for town than scum in my opinion. I would mark them down as light town for now.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

My partner asked that. I assume they read correctly.

So you never once brought up 'the 2-shot Doc claim' in your chat last night to confer?

 

[Houseboat]

How does the affect your read of LIfeboat?

@Yacht same question to you

I think ultimately it does not affect my read very much at the moment though I will certainly keep it in the back of my mind for later if Lifeboat starts acting stranger.

 

[Yacht]

Yachts stands out as one of the few that openly doubts the claim. I'd like to hear their thoughts now that we've had some time to let it simmer.

We were pretty gung-ho on our scum read of HB so the claim gave some whiplash. I think I'd still feel better if the claimed doc was dead this morning, let's see if they coast on that claim.

 

[Lifeboat]

So you never once brought up 'the 2-shot Doc claim' in your chat last night to confer?

Nope. It was only ever referred to as the "doctor claim". I am in the camp that it is real, my partner was after reactions arround the claim but didn't get any solid reads

I said I expected Houseboat to protect Submarine and I guess my partner was after receipts early in justifying who HB protected.

What did you and your partner think of Houseboat's claim and potential actions?

 

[Yacht]

Why did Yacht not vote at the end of the day?

You said you thought there might be scum between Duck and Galleon but you didn't put a vote down. Were you worried about the perception of you self preserving?

I misjudged the clock thinking we still had an hour left and was only caught up to that question from Cruise which lead to me reading over Galleon. If the question is would I have self-pressed then yeah I think so although looking back Galleon could always tie it back so it wouldn't have helped a ton.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

I misjudged the clock thinking we still had an hour left and was only caught up to that question from Cruise which lead to me reading over Galleon. If the question is would I have self-pressed then yeah I think so although looking back Galleon could always tie it back so it wouldn't have helped a ton.

The openness here feels town to me.

Galleon could’ve voted last minute you know

 

[Yacht]

lmao, why did I put Yacht in my would not vote list, this is why you should give these things more than 10 seconds of thought I guess.

From what I recall you said I made the list of people you wouldn't vote because I was one of the boats you wouldn't vote for.

Honestly, knowing Yacht is T for a T/T would help me clear some people some as well. Lifeboat, Beluga, and Sub were all around towards day end and asking questions/making vote changes and the like. I find that investment to be Townie in that case so it would help me narrow the field more.

Okay how do you feel about these 3 names now and how would my town flip help in solving them?

 

[Yacht]

How does the affect your read of LIfeboat?

@Yacht same question to you

Got excited for a moment but this response from Lifeboat seems reasonable

This is actually the scummiest take on the whole thing

If houseboat isn't mafia they are going to assume houseboat is actually the doctor. Why waste a role cop on that. The whole point of a role cop is to find the town PRs you don't know. I guess it sounded good in your head.

If it's a slip how did they obtain the information? If it's a role cop why role cop the claimed doc?

 

[Kayak]

Got excited for a moment but this response from Lifeboat seems reasonable

If it's a slip how did they obtain the information? If it's a role cop why role cop the claimed doc?

To show what type of doc they are. Even/Odd or X shot.
So when the slip happened how did everyone else think Lifeboat would know Houseboat is X shot and the number of shots?

 

[Yacht]

Looking at EoD votes

After a bit of me talking to myself I'm ok doing this:

Vote: Galleon

What did this conversation entail, were there other names bandied about?

Vote: Galleon

Kayak wagon is not taking off. I do not love Yacht but I actively dislike Kayak and Galleon so I prefer them as the vote.

It was 4:3 so how did you conclude Kayak wasn't taking off?

Alright, partner hasn't showed and I'm not voting last minute or causing a tie last minute. There isn't much to Galleon on an iso beyond the houseboat stuff, they had a pretty singularly focused day so let try it

Vote: Galleon

What were you hoping to do by creating a tie here and what do you think of how it played out?

Vote: Galleon

Hammer

Lifeboat looked invested in breaking the tie - this can be done for points but it reads genuine to me.

 

[Kayak]

Looking at eod, more interested in a Yacht/Lifeboat flip. Lifeboat seemed to have been doing a lot of steering eod day 1, votewise.

Kayak being on Yacht makes me not want to join in there. I am staying put.

With the other wagon being town, how do you feel about Yacht now?

This is actually the scummiest take on the whole thing

If houseboat isn't mafia they are going to assume houseboat is actually the doctor. Why waste a role cop on that. The whole point of a role cop is to find the town PRs you don't know. I guess it sounded good in your head.

How is my take scummier than someone actually voting you for the slip(IBoat voted you because of the slip)?

I also dont agree with reading too much into yacht not voting Gal at the end and giving them towncred for it. It's too WIFOM.
Gonna look over the gal wagon later, seems like a good starting point.

 

[Gondola]

I saw the 2s in their post and just auto assumed they said 2 shot. Ignore me. Reading is hard.

Just to double check, is this something you conflated when the claim was originally made or on the spot when you made the post that mentions it?

 

[Gondola]

*when i say on the spot, I mean when you posted #644

 

[Lifeboat]

How is my take scummier than someone actually voting you for the slip(IBoat voted you because of the slip)?

Do you think the vote is scummy. They noticed something wrong and voted it.

i'm not sure on inflatable at all and why I wanted them to pick and potentially prove themselves at end of day. But their reaction here seemed fine.

 

[Lifeboat]

Just to double check, is this something you conflated when the claim was originally made or on the spot when you made the post that mentions it?

When the original claim was made i think. In my head they were always 2-shot. I think I even said about having a doc battle on day 3. Maybe i got messed up then but I was thinking they were 2 shot during the night when I was considering whether I expected mafia to kill them.

I think regardless mafia should have just killed them. Although since they didn't that probably has implications too. They aren't afraid of the doc. You absolutely kill the doc if you don't have a counter. For example if they let the doc live and then a cop says today they have a red check then they are still going to get another check. unless they really were worried about a self protection.

I still think the situation is likely to resolve itself

 

[Gondola]

Alright, the reason I asked was because I had a look back and noticed lifeboat had referenced it at day start in passing

Makes sense, I didn't think of that. It can wait for D3 if they're still alive then.

so i wanted to see if the response would be consistant with that. I missed the doctor battle thing

It could be a fake claim. But let's say we have a doctor. What benefit do we get from outing them right now? The whole point of a doctor is to get a save and counterclaiming removes that possibility. If there is a doctor battle to be had it can be on day 3.

but that does exist so it seems like it was in their head during the previous day phase at least.

 

[Kayak]

Do you think the vote is scummy. They noticed something wrong and voted it.

And I noticed something wrong, and gave my thoughts on it. It's just odd that of the 3-4 ppl that viewed the potential slip of scummy, you only singled me out as scummy.
Was just trying to see why me voicing my thoughts on the situation is scummier than Iboat voting you for it.

 

[Lifeboat]

And I noticed something wrong, and gave my thoughts on it. It's just odd that of the 3-4 ppl that viewed the potential slip of scummy, you only singled me out as scummy.
Was just trying to see why me voicing my thoughts on the situation is scummier than Iboat voting you for it.

You added in a very hamfisted theory to support it which I didn't like but i guess i should not be surprised there is animosity in your posts towards me since i want you voted out.

 

[Cruise Ship]

I've made a table of my thoughts on Lifeboat's 2-shot comment:

	Houseboat is town	Houseboat is mafia
Lifeboat is town	-Scum decided not to kill the doctor, perhaps banking on how suspicious they were yesterday & hoping to push them for a miselim -Lifeboat A misread Houseboat's post, in which they stated "2 with 2 hours to go is not where I wanted to be on Day 1" in reference to the 2 votes they had. -Lifeboat A assumed this post meant that Houseboat was 2-shot, but never discussed it with Lifeboat B	-Houseboat fake claimed doctor. -Lifeboat, a towny, misread Houseboat's post & thought Houseboat claimed 2-shot -Rather than capitalizing on this to push Lifeboat for elimination, Houseboat took an attitude of saying that it could be a towny mistake.
Lifeboat is mafia	-Scum discussed overnight whether they should kill the doctor. -There are (I assume) at least three scum, meaning there are six people in scum chat. -In the course of the 24-hour discussion on this topic between 6 people, it never came up that Lifeboat A thought that Houseboat was 2-shot. -Despite never mentioning/being corrected on this theory in scum chat, Lifeboat A mentioned it almost immediately at day start.	-Over the course of D1, as Houseboat gathered increased suspicion, scum discussed potential fake claims. They considered a doctor claim for Houseboat. -The scum team considered and rejected the idea that Houseboat should claim 2-shot. -Lifeboat A erroneously remembered that the scum team had settled on the 2-shot plan, and never read back over D1 to confirm it.

In conclusion, I basically don't think the Town!Houseboat/Scum!Lifeboat scenario is very likely. Scum!Houseboat/Town!Lifeboat is possible, but IMO the two most likely scenarios are the two in which the Life & House boats match alignment. So, I think Lifeboat will become clear as Houseboat also comes clear -- as we see the claim play out.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Now that more time has passed (and i’m free) let me go through the theories floating around in this boat. Either:

A) Lifeboat is Town and did simply misread the post and thought HB was 2-shot.
B) Lifeboat is Scum, they scanned Town!HB to find out they were 2-shot, and let this info slip.
C) Lifeboat AND HB are scum, with Lifeboat slipping the fakeclaim too early without realizing it.

Now thanks to some replies we have more to go through to parse this all out, specifically whether or not we believe Lifeboat simply misread that post. For ease we will have Lifeboat 1 and Lifeboat 2 to differentiate.

Lifeboat 2 says: They believed HB was 2-shot, they misread the claim post, they did not discuss the 2-shot aspect in their Boat chat
Lifeboat 1 says: They asked who HB protected last night, they are interested in reactions to HB’s claim, they (according to 2) did not believe HB was x-shot

So, how much do we believe that Lifeboat 2 misread this claim post here (which I find hard to believe?) and, despite Lifeboat 1 being invested in HB’s claim, never once realized their discrepancy between x-shot/not x-shot?

Alright, -2 with 2 hours to go is not where I wanted to be on Day 1. I will simply put my cards on the table.

I am the doctor.

I was trying to be more lowkey at the start because of this role. When my partner started getting heat I told them to play it cool. Perhaps that is why they were nervous and fumbled their explanation. Shit happens, no worries partner. You do not need to apologize or explain to me.

Do with that information as you will. I would like to live but I am still not going to vote my town reads. If you want to kill your doctor go ahead.

I personally find that hard to believe to misread that and be so focused on HB’s claim that this never popped up in chat, which leads us to options B and C. Unfortunately the only confirmation we can get is from HB and I would rather they didn’t claim more than they already have, but this doesn’t free Lifeboat in any way. So they either scanned them or they are in cahoots, which both have their own problems.

I say all of this like I’m confident but I’m not. Could this be a misread and mistake from Town? Yes. Could they have never brought up the x-shot aspect? Sure, I guess. There are a handful of posts here between HB and Lifeboat now that I’m hesitating and thinking, “okay, maybe they are being honest?” Which, hey, that helps read two boats which is a win. But I can’t figure it out and it’s bothering me.

Also, there is something interesting here as I’m thinking this through. I feel that Lifeboat is now tied to Houseboat, our claimed Doc. So if both parties are telling the truth then Scum has to gamble with the Doc claim here - do they let them live and potentially stop a kill to keep things muddled OR do they kill them, clearing up (or damning) Lifeboat? So if there is a consensus of ‘dunno’ we can leave them be for now.

My partner is out and I plan to chat with them when they come back about what we want to do.

 

[Yacht]

Not gonna lie guys everyone being boat varieties has confused the hell out of me and I don't remember shit. I might replace out.

 

[Kayak]

You added in a very hamfisted theory to support it which I didn't like but i guess i should not be surprised there is animosity in your posts towards me since i want you voted out.

There you go again trying to assign some emotion to my posts where there is none.
I simply asked why you saw my post as scummy and not IBoat's vote as scummy, which is a valid question.
I also didnt know you were gunning that hard for me since you defended me heavily eod yesterday to get ppl to vote gal/yacht.
You wanting me voted out doesnt bother me at all.

 

[Yacht]

I can answer the vote at least, I wasn't here but if I were I would've probably went Galleom for self preservation.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Nope. It was only ever referred to as the "doctor claim". I am in the camp that it is real, my partner was after reactions arround the claim but didn't get any solid reads

I said I expected Houseboat to protect Submarine and I guess my partner was after receipts early in justifying who HB protected.

What did you and your partner think of Houseboat's claim and potential actions?

I checked my boat chat that morning before main chat since I was only available close to day end. My partner commented that HB's 'more recent posts' were good and, later on, they had now claimed Doc. My gut reaction was 'lol they lying' because I really did not like their early D1 and claiming Doc near day end seemed sus as hell. But going into the thread and seeing that no one had counterclaimed, HB's posts right before their claim were actually not bad, and it was D1 meant I put my hands up and let it slide. It was Scum's problem, not mine. I still think it is mostly their problem but I dread going into late game with them still there. I hope they are Town.

My partner has been busy and we haven't had much chance to go over the claim. What they did post in-the-moment gives me the impression they believe Houseboat is Town.

From what I recall you said I made the list of people you wouldn't vote because I was one of the boats you wouldn't vote for.


Okay how do you feel about these 3 names now and how would my town flip help in solving them?

Let me settle this whole Lifeboat/HB thing and I'll get back to you lol

Looking at eod, more interested in a Yacht/Lifeboat flip. Lifeboat seemed to have been doing a lot of steering eod day 1, votewise.


With the other wagon being town, how do you feel about Yacht now?


How is my take scummier than someone actually voting you for the slip(IBoat voted you because of the slip)?

I also dont agree with reading too much into yacht not voting Gal at the end and giving them towncred for it. It's too WIFOM.
Gonna look over the gal wagon later, seems like a good starting point.

Do you find our vote scummy?

I've made a table of my thoughts on Lifeboat's 2-shot comment:

	Houseboat is town	Houseboat is mafia
Lifeboat is town	-Scum decided not to kill the doctor, perhaps banking on how suspicious they were yesterday & hoping to push them for a miselim -Lifeboat A misread Houseboat's post, in which they stated "2 with 2 hours to go is not where I wanted to be on Day 1" in reference to the 2 votes they had. -Lifeboat A assumed this post meant that Houseboat was 2-shot, but never discussed it with Lifeboat B	-Houseboat fake claimed doctor. -Lifeboat, a towny, misread Houseboat's post & thought Houseboat claimed 2-shot -Rather than capitalizing on this to push Lifeboat for elimination, Houseboat took an attitude of saying that it could be a towny mistake.
Lifeboat is mafia	-Scum discussed overnight whether they should kill the doctor. -There are (I assume) at least three scum, meaning there are six people in scum chat. -In the course of the 24-hour discussion on this topic between 6 people, it never came up that Lifeboat A thought that Houseboat was 2-shot. -Despite never mentioning/being corrected on this theory in scum chat, Lifeboat A mentioned it almost immediately at day start.	-Over the course of D1, as Houseboat gathered increased suspicion, scum discussed potential fake claims. They considered a doctor claim for Houseboat. -The scum team considered and rejected the idea that Houseboat should claim 2-shot. -Lifeboat A erroneously remembered that the scum team had settled on the 2-shot plan, and never read back over D1 to confirm it.

In conclusion, I basically don't think the Town!Houseboat/Scum!Lifeboat scenario is very likely. Scum!Houseboat/Town!Lifeboat is possible, but IMO the two most likely scenarios are the two in which the Life & House boats match alignment. So, I think Lifeboat will become clear as Houseboat also comes clear -- as we see the claim play out.

I'm both happy and sad you beat me to the punch lol. As I'm thinking more as I type I agree with you that it's more likely that Lifeboat and Houseboat are the same alignment here. There's the off-chance it's Town!Lifeboat and Scum!Houseboat (which would be funny lol) but I find it the least likely. Even IF Houseboat kept themself open to a Lifeboat vote.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Not gonna lie guys everyone being boat varieties has confused the hell out of me and I don't remember shit. I might replace out.

Hey, no worries. It's been tough trying to keep all these boats straight so I get it. Do what's best for you.

 

[Giant Rubber Duck]

i do like a good slip but i dont think that lifeboat comment is much of anything tbh

we shouldnt forget day 1 but i think we need new material instead of just spinning back up the same day 1 eod

i honestly have issue with cruise ship

i am having a bit of an issue following the costume accounts but cruise ship pinged early on to me because of the hard defense of houseboat early on and nothing theyve done since then has really filled me with confidence

 

[Kayak]

Do you find our vote scummy?

Currently, no. You probably came to the same conclusion I did, that LB was possibly a rolecop who slipped. I just found it odd LB would say it was scummy for me to say what everyone who posted at that time was thinking, but not find you just as scummy for taking the opportunity to vote/push them for it.

 

[Lifeboat]

i do like a good slip but i dont think that lifeboat comment is much of anything tbh

we shouldnt forget day 1 but i think we need new material instead of just spinning back up the same day 1 eod

i honestly have issue with cruise ship

i am having a bit of an issue following the costume accounts but cruise ship pinged early on to me because of the hard defense of houseboat early on and nothing theyve done since then has really filled me with confidence

Let's talk more about Cruise ship.

They were definitely someone I had as suspicious too. And I think Jet Ski said something about them being scummy too.

Time to #RespectTheDead and read some of Jet Ski's posts.

 

[Yacht]

A) Lifeboat is Town and did simply misread the post and thought HB was 2-shot.
B) Lifeboat is Scum, they scanned Town!HB to find out they were 2-shot, and let this info slip.
C) Lifeboat AND HB are scum, with Lifeboat slipping the fakeclaim too early without realizing it.

Scenario D)Lifeboat is Town, HB is scum.

 

[Inflatable Boat]

Currently, no. You probably came to the same conclusion I did, that LB was possibly a rolecop who slipped. I just found it odd LB would say it was scummy for me to say what everyone who posted at that time was thinking, but not find you just as scummy for taking the opportunity to vote/push them for it.

Actually my first instinct was 'he slipped the claim too early' and they were both mafia and then the scanned idea. I was just curious that you painted our vote as scummy.

Scenario D)Lifeboat is Town, HB is scum.

Also possible but I find even less likely and the hardest to prove. It would be the funniest though lol

 

[Cruise Ship]

i am having a bit of an issue following the costume accounts but cruise ship pinged early on to me because of the hard defense of houseboat early on and nothing theyve done since then has really filled me with confidence

What hard defense?

I even said this:

Unsure what to think about Houseboat. I think that their argument against Sub's early town reads is not good and pretty sus but I liked #288 so, I don't know.

Does that read like a hard defense?

 

[Yacht]

Actually my first instinct was 'he slipped the claim too early' and they were both mafia and then the scanned idea. I was just curious that you painted our vote as scummy.

Also possible but I find even less likely and the hardest to prove. It would be the funniest though lol

HB imo is not cleared in the slightest, I still have my suspicions from yesterday, the only thing they got going for them is the claim, granted it's a doc claim but after N2 I see no reason why we should keep them around.

 

[Houseboat]

It was 4:3 so how did you conclude Kayak wasn't taking off?

Kayak had been sitting at 3 for about 50 posts. Multiple players had stated they would consider voting Galleon, not as many were interested in Kayak.

 

[Beluga Whale]

As one half of this Beluga Whale, I'm also of the same mind about Houseboat and Lifeboat sharing alignment. I'd definitely like to hear more from Gondola and Yacht today, I think.