Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats

Lifeboat

Costume
On reading through Jet Ski there was a lot of cool posting then one actual town read of Duck.

Then they threw out 3 people who they felt were middle of the pack Yacht, Inflatable and Cruise ship.

Obviously they were not too keen on Galleon either.

Many people called them town or townie. it seems like only Houseboat offered up anything that could be seen as negative on Jet Ski. Submarine said Jet Ski was their top town. Galleon called them town
 

Lifeboat

Costume
As one half of this Beluga Whale, I'm also of the same mind about Houseboat and Lifeboat sharing alignment. I'd definitely like to hear more from Gondola and Yacht today, I think.

Sorry you are going to have to elaborate here.

Let's say I am killed today and flip town. Why would that influence what you think about Houseboat. You would know I didn't slip and it was a genuine misread but also you would see I have ZERO additional insight into Houseboat. i believe their claim but I could be wrong.

This makes no logical sense.
 

Kayak

Costume
A self-protect is not common, so I'm a little surprised to see Houseboat alive today.


I was one of the originators of the Galleon train -- made my big ISO of them before you were really making a case, so if anybody sheeped anybody it would be you ... but I think we just both came to the same wrong conclusions.
I would be shocked if you had any real reasoning or facts behind the claim that a self-protect isn’t common. A doctor without limits is rare, what those limits are varies pretty regularly.

I wanted Kayak dead because they weren't contributing. Their reads and vote felt forced. They did not seem to be having a good time like the whole game was a strain.

These are things i normally associate with people who are mafia
What a lame, over inflated take. I was the one that posted about struggling in costume games. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t enjoying the game and frankly said nothing remotely to that effect. Guess what! Multiple people have also stated struggling since then. Guess what else! I know for a fact costume games have been changed in the past flavor wise to try and better differentiate accounts for everyone. Removing that leaves just your contribution comment. Do you feel every other slot contributed more D1 then?

Sure. Kayak's vote for HB felt like they were feeling the temperature of the room and voting for them because traction against HB kicked up rather than anything else. They weren't Kayak's top vote choice. Their reasoning, that they wanted to tie the votes up and spur activity ring hollow 12 hours into D1, but that has been gone over a lot of times. They switched to their scum read later on after agreeing with (Jet Ski I think?) that Yacht was scummy and it's the passivity of it all that sticks out to me. Like they didn't want to be attracting attention.
No, my reasoning was I wanted to BREAK a tie by voting for which of them felt scummier. Not tie it up for funsies. I moved once I thought there may be momentum for my preferred vote.

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I’m still interested in trying to solve Yacht, and Beluga has stood out to me some. I haven’t had a chance to dig in further on Beluga though so when I can I’ll dig into them more with an ISO.
 

Houseboat

Costume
With the other wagon being town, how do you feel about Yacht now?
The votes were very even and could have gone either way. If Inflatable had voted a few seconds earlier Yacht would be dead instead of Galleon. I find it likelier it was T/T than T/S, because I do not see why scum!Yacht would not have self-pressed. Leaving it up to chance would be a very risky scum play that could jeopardize the team. Both players behind the account would need to agree to the risky play, which is an even lower chance.

I am not ruling them out as scum. As I stated previously, I found their Day 1 to be pretty NAI. Scum have skated by on risky plays before. For the time being, I am content to let them try to prove their towniness while I look elsewhere. If they are still NAI or worse by day end, then I think it could be worth looking into voting them to clear up the Day 1 wagons.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Sorry you are going to have to elaborate here.

Let's say I am killed today and flip town. Why would that influence what you think about Houseboat. You would know I didn't slip and it was a genuine misread but also you would see I have ZERO additional insight into Houseboat. i believe their claim but I could be wrong.

This makes no logical sense.
What we're saying (I think) is that in this situation the slip-up only really matters if both you and HB are scum. If you're town then this is an honest mistake, and if HB is town then it's similarly NAI given the conditions. Mixed alignment between you two based on this seems baseless.
No, my reasoning was I wanted to BREAK a tie by voting for which of them felt scummier. Not tie it up for funsies. I moved once I thought there may be momentum for my preferred vote.
Fair enough, it was to break a tie to HB. There didn't seem to be any action that happened afterward, nor did you call for more votes to be made. Did you get what you wanted from it?
 

Gondola

Costume
Looking at EoD votes

What were you hoping to do by creating a tie here and what do you think of how it played out?

I think my other half ate the notification for this, my bad.

While the vote caused a tie, I wasn't trying to achieve anything by creating a tie in that sense as much as i had been pretty settled on the idea houseboat would be resolved and the day phase was probably wrapped up so i went away from the game for awhile. Then I came back and realised i was going to have to squeeze in some reading and figure out who was the best vote I could make in the time I had to play , so i was mostly just focused on making that happen and and getting the vote i came to down asap so that i didnt cause anytihng like a draw in the last minute. There wasnt any process like "if there's a draw i will see what x does so ill go or that" or that kind of thing.

As for how the vote did play out, i posted earlier that i didn't really understand why neither you nor Galleon moved, it was kind of odd really. You posted you lost track of the time which is what it is, i can only say okay to that part and consider the other possibilities,. Without knowing your alignmemt it's hard to pull too much meaning from it yet. Form your perspective you should know its TvT so what do you think about the movement and how it played out?
 

Houseboat

Costume
I feel like Giant Rubber Duck did not really do that much on Day 1?

They spent a lot of Day 1 talking about me, which is semi-understandable. They did not spend much time on Day 1 making reads otherwise.

With the exception of the scum read on myself, these are the ones I could find, please correct me if I am missing any:
Submarine's role playing is too nerdy to be scum
Vote: Yacht

Don’t have terribly strong reads RN. They looked sus when I gave them a quick ISO earlier, didn’t seem to care that much about their reads.
Townreading Submarine early and scumreading Yacht as a quick justification for the vote.

That is... not really much content when you think about it. Both easy reads to give out. I would argue the scum read on myself was also easy and they would have sleepwalked into my elimination if I had been unlucky enough to roll Vanilla.

Today they have posted a few more reads, which I appreciate:
The openness here feels town to me.

Galleon could’ve voted last minute you know
i honestly have issue with cruise ship

i am having a bit of an issue following the costume accounts but cruise ship pinged early on to me because of the hard defense of houseboat early on and nothing theyve done since then has really filled me with confidence
Saying Yacht leans townie and Cruise Ship pinged them for the defense of myself, which as Cruise Ship already mentioned is not something that actually seems to exist.

The only major interaction between Duck and Cruise I could find is the following:
exploiting the game is pretty strong wording lol
That early disagreement seems to be more the basis of being pinged than an early defense.

There is this post from Cruise:
I agree with this analysis because the slip theory doesn't make sense from a scum perspective. Houseboat was clearly aware they were posting in the game thread, not the scum thread or pair thread, and specifically volunteered that they had a response prepared. I feel like doing that when you mean some explanation you'd cooked up in scum thread is like saying "as I was discussing with my mafia teammates" just not something a mafia player would type as a slip.
That could be loosely interpreted as a defense, but that was not early on in the day. As Cruise Ship already noted, they later expressed apprehension about my slot even after the claim.

It is possible Duck could have mixed up the timelines, this is a very confusing game. So I will ask:

@Giant Rubber Duck when did you first get pinged about Cruise Ship? Was it the early exploit comment or the latter response?
 

Kayak

Costume
And they would know about being inflated, being a lifeboat and all.
Ayyy

What we're saying (I think) is that in this situation the slip-up only really matters if both you and HB are scum. If you're town then this is an honest mistake, and if HB is town then it's similarly NAI given the conditions. Mixed alignment between you two based on this seems baseless.

Fair enough, it was to break a tie to HB. There didn't seem to be any action that happened afterward, nor did you call for more votes to be made. Did you get what you wanted from it?
I didn’t have any sort of grand plan. I felt like my vote was more effective breaking the tie initially. While HB wasn’t my top scum lean, they were one of two at the time. As votes shifted, I felt like I could move to my favored vote and still have impact. Then my partner showed up and took over while I missed EOD.
 
What hard defense?

I even said this:



Does that read like a hard defense?

I feel like Giant Rubber Duck did not really do that much on Day 1?

They spent a lot of Day 1 talking about me, which is semi-understandable. They did not spend much time on Day 1 making reads otherwise.

With the exception of the scum read on myself, these are the ones I could find, please correct me if I am missing any:


Townreading Submarine early and scumreading Yacht as a quick justification for the vote.

That is... not really much content when you think about it. Both easy reads to give out. I would argue the scum read on myself was also easy and they would have sleepwalked into my elimination if I had been unlucky enough to roll Vanilla.

Today they have posted a few more reads, which I appreciate:


Saying Yacht leans townie and Cruise Ship pinged them for the defense of myself, which as Cruise Ship already mentioned is not something that actually seems to exist.

The only major interaction between Duck and Cruise I could find is the following:

That early disagreement seems to be more the basis of being pinged than an early defense.

There is this post from Cruise:

That could be loosely interpreted as a defense, but that was not early on in the day. As Cruise Ship already noted, they later expressed apprehension about my slot even after the claim.

It is possible Duck could have mixed up the timelines, this is a very confusing game. So I will ask:

@Giant Rubber Duck when did you first get pinged about Cruise Ship? Was it the early exploit comment or the latter response?

im the duck you are looking for here

i am editorializing a bit since i made this read in our chat but what pinged me specifically as a defense was trying to compare scenarios here:

Ok, but why doesn’t the same principle that people play differently apply to houseboat’s concern about sun being too town read? I don’t fully get why that’s scummy

i thought the comparison was a false equivalency at the time and it always struck me weird

at the end of the day i think day 1 kind of fell flat because of the claim at the 11th hour and i think we need to push on other angles because honestly i could pretend to have more reads from day 1 but i really dont

it doesnt help that i specifically was afk for day end but still even being here i dont think i would have swayed much with what i read
 

Yacht

Costume
In conclusion, I basically don't think the Town!Houseboat/Scum!Lifeboat scenario is very likely. Scum!Houseboat/Town!Lifeboat is possible, but IMO the two most likely scenarios are the two in which the Life & House boats match alignment. So, I think Lifeboat will become clear as Houseboat also comes clear -- as we see the claim play out.
Tables are sweet but I'm not sure the work justifies the conclusion here. There is a lot of conjecture in some of the cases and both the misaligned cases assume a mistake between Lifeboat halves. If I was looking at this pairing I think Lifeboats lack of interest in the HB discussion would be a more notable connection.
Also, there is something interesting here as I’m thinking this through. I feel that Lifeboat is now tied to Houseboat, our claimed Doc. So if both parties are telling the truth then Scum has to gamble with the Doc claim here - do they let them live and potentially stop a kill to keep things muddled OR do they kill them, clearing up (or damning) Lifeboat? So if there is a consensus of ‘dunno’ we can leave them be for now.
What is the OR in clearing vs damning here? Whether town HB flips with 2 shots or not?
Let me settle this whole Lifeboat/HB thing and I'll get back to you lol
Sure, want to hear on Sub and Beluga too.
i am having a bit of an issue following the costume accounts but cruise ship pinged early on to me because of the hard defense of houseboat early on and nothing theyve done since then has really filled me with confidence
Think I missed this, do you know where it happened?
I'm also of the same mind about Houseboat and Lifeboat sharing alignment. I'd definitely like to hear more from Gondola and Yacht today, I think.
Anything you want me to go over in paticular?
 

Yacht

Costume
Sorry you are going to have to elaborate here.

Let's say I am killed today and flip town. Why would that influence what you think about Houseboat. You would know I didn't slip and it was a genuine misread but also you would see I have ZERO additional insight into Houseboat. i believe their claim but I could be wrong.

This makes no logical sense.
I agree with this this, the town/town and town/scum case for you and HB are pretty much the same "Lifeboat made a mistake and not a slip". I can see the teamed argument, but the same alignment thing just seems like something people are saying cause they think it sounds good.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
i thought the comparison was a false equivalency at the time and it always struck me weird

Don't really see why, it's not like I was saying that I thought the two were directly equivalent, I asked why the same principle didn't apply. I think it can be easy on D1 to label erratic behavior as scummy when in fact town is actually just as likely to act a bit weird D1, but it's less noticeable in a costume game bc no one says "oh, it's that person who always gets suspected D1"

Tables are sweet but I'm not sure the work justifies the conclusion here. There is a lot of conjecture in some of the cases and both the misaligned cases assume a mistake between Lifeboat halves. If I was looking at this pairing I think Lifeboats lack of interest in the HB discussion would be a more notable connection.
Lifeboat said that their partner didn't make the same mistake, so I built it in. It absolutely is conjecture, just because it's in a table doesn't mean it's supposed to be math, but I feel pretty solid about my conclusions, especially that the mafiaLifeboat/townHouseboat pairing is very unlikely. If you disagree that's cool, I'd actually like to hear more of the specifics to help us get to the truth here.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Ayyy


I didn’t have any sort of grand plan. I felt like my vote was more effective breaking the tie initially. While HB wasn’t my top scum lean, they were one of two at the time. As votes shifted, I felt like I could move to my favored vote and still have impact. Then my partner showed up and took over while I missed EOD.
Alright, fair enough. You said you suspect Lifeboat for directing EoD 1. They offered for either them or Submarine to hammer yesterday, which would be pretty high profile. Does that change your opinion or is it NAI?
 

Yacht

Costume
Form your perspective you should know its TvT so what do you think about the movement and how it played out?
Scum should be less invested in outcomes but may have considered the optics of stacking. Skiffs vote on me remains the least well reasoned and scummiest IMO. Inflatable feeling the decision making pressure and hesitating feels real. Your vote didn't look like you cared that much. Lifeboat coordinating to ensure a hammer felt towny.
Lifeboat said that their partner didn't make the same mistake, so I built it in. It absolutely is conjecture, just because it's in a table doesn't mean it's supposed to be math, but I feel pretty solid about my conclusions, especially that the mafiaLifeboat/townHouseboat pairing is very unlikely. If you disagree that's cool, I'd actually like to hear more of the specifics to help us get to the truth here.
I don't find that pairing likely based on reads and I'm leaning toward the inverse. But rather than one scum making a mistake and not bringing it to chat I think this case would be more likely if Life learned the real shot count or scum had speculated on it being a 2-shot based on their more informed view of the design and that was the slip.

Open question:
Ignoring their claim, how does Houseboat look?
Outside of the 2-shot comment, does Lifeboat look more like town or scum?
 

Yacht

Costume
@Lifeboat did the wait until day 3 comment come from the same half that thought HB was 2-shot or the other/both halves? Was the thinking wait until the claimed shots are burnt or that scum will resolve a real doc within that timeframe?

Taking a break for a while, I still find Skiff to be dodgy in what they have posted and feel like they haven't been discussed much. Houseboat I really want to see resolution soon because it feels a lot of cases hinge on taking their claim as proof of innocence. Might reread Cruise Ship as well.
 
no one will confuse our avi for anything else
yeah you're a penguin, right
Scum should be less invested in outcomes but may have considered the optics of stacking. Skiffs vote on me remains the least well reasoned and scummiest IMO. Inflatable feeling the decision making pressure and hesitating feels real. Your vote didn't look like you cared that much. Lifeboat coordinating to ensure a hammer felt towny.

I don't find that pairing likely based on reads and I'm leaning toward the inverse. But rather than one scum making a mistake and not bringing it to chat I think this case would be more likely if Life learned the real shot count or scum had speculated on it being a 2-shot based on their more informed view of the design and that was the slip.

Open question:
Ignoring their claim, how does Houseboat look?
Outside of the 2-shot comment, does Lifeboat look more like town or scum?
What's the reason for these open questions?

1. I mentioned this ealier but I felt that HB's comments right before their claim looked good and felt townie. Them keeping Lifeboat open as an option despite the 2-shot comment rings alarms in my brain but only if they are both scum - which, like i said, I'm not considering until one flips. So to answer your question? Town lean but not very high.
2. I feel like Lifeboat is answering things today in-the-moment and honestly, if that makes sense. I'm trying not to prescribe an alignment to it since scum can do so as well and nothing Lifeboat has said with those posts is particularly townie. I do find it interesting they still want Yacht so much despite acknowledging that Town!Galleon also didn't move when they were able to so it's hard to figure out alignment that way. Coupled with how I disliked their D1 narrowing of Yacht/Galleon I'd say scum lean.
 
Yacht inspired me, so here's Skiff from today.

Like I said earlier, Skiff posted early D1 that they wouldn't vote for Yacht and had 'no scum reads'. However, they end D1 with a vote on Yacht like they scum read them the whole time. Skiff plays it off that it (the 'wont vote for' list) was something they barely thought of when they made it. They double down and still would vote for Yacht, but would prefer voting for no one.

Yacht points out that this '10 seconds of thought' list Skiff made was in response to someone saying they wouldn't vote for Yacht. So....this whole thing started because they wouldn't vote for Yacht. And forgot, voting for Yacht.

I'd argue Neutral at worst who just needs to survive and that's why they are indifferent to voting for people - for them it does not actually matter who dies as long as they live. Apathetic Town is the flipside, which hurts us just as badly if not worse.
Hey Skiff, what happened to "I would not vote for Yacht today"? Considering you said they were an early game scum read for you but that wasn't the case at all.
lmao, why did I put Yacht in my would not vote list, this is why you should give these things more than 10 seconds of thought I guess.

I wouldn't call Yacht an early game scum read though, I just found them to be the most suspect out of the candidates with more than one vote (who weren't houseboat). In terms of my actual reads I've actually called off a lot on lifeboat after rereading their more recent posts.
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So are you rethinking this stance or do you still feel the same way?
I'm kind of hoping my partner will come out and do the rethinking for me :p

Between Yacht and Kayak I'd still vote Yacht at the moment, but I don't have any real desire to vote anyone right now.

Inflatable Boat is coming out of the dock very strong today compared to their more subdued performance on day 1, is there a particular reason for that @Inflatable Boat?




From what I recall you said I made the list of people you wouldn't vote because I was one of the boats you wouldn't vote for.
 
After talking amongst ourselves we are going to

Unvote

Houseboat and Lifeboat are now somewhat tied together in our opinion and, given Houseboat not being counterclaimed, means that scum would need to weigh leaving a Doc around to maybe have a misvote or kill the doc. Either way, Lifeboat gets more info on them from the fallout. Please throw Houseboat overboard if they claim 2-shot, however.
Tables are sweet but I'm not sure the work justifies the conclusion here. There is a lot of conjecture in some of the cases and both the misaligned cases assume a mistake between Lifeboat halves. If I was looking at this pairing I think Lifeboats lack of interest in the HB discussion would be a more notable connection.

What is the OR in clearing vs damning here? Whether town HB flips with 2 shots or not?

Sure, want to hear on Sub and Beluga too.

Think I missed this, do you know where it happened?

Anything you want me to go over in paticular?
clearing v damning:
Yes. If HB is Town and Lifeboat is Scum, killing HB could easily damn Lifeboat if they did cop check and find the 2-shot. But if Town!Houseboat flips unlimited doc, it does not damn Lifeboat who said 2-shot as those don't align.

Reads request:
Sub, Beluga, Lifeboat.
Sub: Had them as a pretty good Townread on D1 due to them being the first to really questionback Galleon on their vote and take things a bit more seriously. I've since liked their posts and reasonings, though I've noticed a drop off for this Day Phase so far as well. It's caught my eye as I would've expected more from them so far. Townish but not crazy strong like D1.
Beluga: Not much of a read on them D1 (outside of scummish i think?) and I noticed the difference between their read on us vs Galleon and how their logic didn't follow. Their response back was better than I expected and felt like a rather honest "i didnt really make the comparison in the moment" type deal. Same with their explination on their Kayak read, which I see they have sort of followed up on. I still feel like their writing is passive in a way that bothers me - sort of going through the motions - but it's nothing I can put my finger on. Townish but with hesitation
Lifeboat: They are tied with Houseboat in my mind now. Whatever Houseboat it, Lifeboat is. Considering Houseboat has no counterclaim against them, I assume both are Town.
 

Kayak

Costume
Alright, fair enough. You said you suspect Lifeboat for directing EoD 1. They offered for either them or Submarine to hammer yesterday, which would be pretty high profile. Does that change your opinion or is it NAI?
Nope. NAI at best. LB didnt even choose who IBloat voted for. They hammered Gal instead of yacht.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Lifeboat (0 votes)
Inflatable Boat - #650 #728

Not voting: Giant Rubber Duck, Cruise Ship, Gondola, Submarine, Yacht, Kayak, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Houseboat, Inflatable Boat, Skiff

Post Counts:
Inflatable Boat: 23 Lifeboat: 19 Yacht: 15 Houseboat: 13 Gondola: 13 Beluga Whale: 11 Kayak: 10 Giant Rubber Duck: 9 Submarine: 7 Cruise Ship: 5 Skiff: 2

Current Countdown:
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Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

Gondola

Costume
Alright tried to get these done before I had to go yesterday and failed but where I'm at right now

Sub - Still feel good about Sub. Sure their vote was on Galleon early and that push didn't work out but I thought their play during the day phase was strong in terms of giving reads without prompting, engaging others, saying who they would not vote and so on. They also did not go after houseboat at all. It just feels like loud towny and unless the slot tails off massively I think it would take still being around later and things to be going badly for me to think otherwise on it. Quiet so far this day phase but there’s 48 hours.

houseboat - this slot was in a dicey spot before the claim. Willing to take that on face value for now and let the claim play out and accept my read was just off but do want to point out that I've noticed the second partner just doesn't seem to have come back at all since the claim lol, @Houseboat has the other one been put in boat storage?

inflatable - liking inflatable still today, I felt of a similar mind to them at different times on D1; some of those reads turn out wrong but I still like the play and engagement running through their iso. Originally pushes houseboat hard then pivots to Yacht in the final minutes. Going through their earlier reads the vote towards Yacht is consistent with what they had said earlier in the day phase so I think that makes sense as a move. Has come out quicker and more fiery today compared the D1 ramp up. I don't know about the lifeboat slip stuff, it looks like lifeboat had that in mind from the start of the claim and I don’t think I’m paranoid enough to entertain it was a scum scum plan form the start at this stage in the game but I do like that they're accomodating all the possibilities and running through them, it doesn't read like something they just grabbed and didn't consider. I think this slot just carries a towny feel for me with the way they engage.

Kayak - weighed in on kayak earlier but this is one I considered over the night phase because it had caught my eye a bit in the previous day phase and got me a little omgusy but after going over it, I think this slot is fine.The initial votes yesterday do read a bit hedgy some of the play/takes are too strong for me, but my gut is saying not to worry about this one right now, their play is progressing a way that checks out to me so far. They’re engaging people in a forward manner, there’s no sense that they’re holding back or worried about getting into it with folks. This is more one I’d be concerned if they slid into the background later in the game.

Lifeboat - going over their iso, I like their general engagement, I feel like there's moments where they keep a level head on things in a towny way like calling out being close to hammer, their reaction when the claim happens, the offer to hammer to prevent a draw or shenanigans reads wel, that’s the kind of stuff it’s easy to just sit back and just say nothing so it feels more towny to act. D1 they have a kind of small size pool of who they engage with but they are consistent within that pool. Votewise they were on Kayak, ends up moving to Yatch but seemed happy for either to be solved which felt like a general thought adopted at day end.

Beluga - This is a slot I didn't have a good idea of last day phase. Beluga on iso has some towny stuff, like encouraging folks to tag instead of just talk about people into the vaccum, I like that and they definitely poke and prod and give some reads, they question people in a way I can get behind. They greatly favoured Kayak but ended up jumping over to Galleon when that wasn't viable. That seems to check out with their takeaway that Galleon looks worse if houseboat is town. Responses so far today have been reasonable, some updated reads would be good


Things get a bit mushier after here

Skiff - This account has been amusing but there isn't much in the way of actual playing the game, on iso it’s very sparse. They did give a few names they wouldn’t vote yesterday after a few prompts and one particular read they had was thinking lifeboat was keeping their net too wide. Updates and more on the larger roster today is what I want to see.

Duck - They seem to be ramping up a little today and saying some stuff about cruise ship, on ISO it’s another one that’s surprising how little there is to look at. They’re firm on houseboat but that’s kind of it. I think I’d like to see some sustantial reads from this slot today because I can’t really get any sort of good grasp on it from iso. Just anything so that I can tell where the account stands on everyone.

Cruise Ship - it’s a similar thing where the account is almost a mystery looking at ISO. They had the icebreaker question that I did like and I appreciate thing like that in games. They have a case for Galleon but there isn’t much in the way of reads beyond that, I feel like this account could pivot most directions and I wouldn’t be able to go back and check if it’s consistent. Also they didn’t respond to my ping for some reads and they’ve been back while I was away so I’d like to see that.

Yacht - Reading Yacht’s D1 iso is just fine, it’s mostly interactions with or about houseboat and what was going on there. There’s a little early on where they don’t want to judge Galleon for their serious vote opener but then push back on some of the language they used. They do have a bit of a prod at Skiff so the move there after the houseboat collapse makes sense on that level but I really the EoD that sours me, Ijust don’t really get the total lack of participation with their head on the line. After spending the day scum reading houseboat I could empathise not wanting to have to turn around and follow them onto Galleon but when you know you are town and are the only other train and things are *this* close to it going one way or the other, the logical thing to do is bet on yourself. They’re there in the thread at day end but just sit there. It looks like not wanting to be the flip and there being nowhere else left to go. This feels like a good place to go today imo and my most negative read right now.

Which leaves me with something like

Feels good in this order -

Sub
Inflatable
Houseboat for the claim
Kayak
Lifeboat
Beluga

Just totally null

Skiff
Duck
Cruise Ship

Think this would be a good flip

Yacht
 

Lifeboat

Costume
@Lifeboat did the wait until day 3 comment come from the same half that thought HB was 2-shot or the other/both halves? Was the thinking wait until the claimed shots are burnt or that scum will resolve a real doc within that timeframe?

Taking a break for a while, I still find Skiff to be dodgy in what they have posted and feel like they haven't been discussed much. Houseboat I really want to see resolution soon because it feels a lot of cases hinge on taking their claim as proof of innocence. Might reread Cruise Ship as well.
The waiting for D3 was from me (the half that didn't think it was 2-shot). The reasoning is that on D3 who they protected N1 probably wouldn't influence who they could protect N3. The question about the target is mainly so we have some receipts early in case more info is revealed later.

To the game: I think Yacht not self preserving at EoD1 points to them being Town. In my opinion the vote could have gone either way until the end, so not voting would pose a substantial risk and nobody would have questioned the vote either. Even if they misread the time remaining, their team would have probably told them to vote, so that's a further point in favor of them not having more players to coordinate with.

Houseboats reaction to the "slip" seems Towny. If they are Scum they could have easily used it to push a vote but opted not to.

Still feeling okay with Sub. They're not as active today as they were D1, but not enough to make me worry they'll coast on the early Town reads.
 

Skiff

Costume
I may have missed stuff but it's very funny that very few considered the possibility of a scum lifeboat just making an honest mistake.

Think it's unlikely that houseboat is scum while lifeboat is town, in this scenario houseboat would be on borrowed time and could have easily used the 'slip' to push voting out lifeboat.

I'd argue Neutral at worst who just needs to survive and that's why they are indifferent to voting for people - for them it does not actually matter who dies as long as they live. Apathetic Town is the flipside, which hurts us just as badly if not worse.
I admit to a degree of Apathy as playing with a partner isn't as fun as I hoped (The only thing they've posted after day start is a quite annoying non-answer to the questions and theories I pondered during the night), but the lack of scum reads is more incompetence than indifference.

I'd also like to make it very clear that I am neither mafia or a neutral and if you think I'm lying you should properly scum read me, rather than hope that my slot will sort itself out.


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Submarine

Costume
Ok, so at the top of the day I mentioned Cruise Ship as being kind of the top of my suspect list moving into today, one of the reasons being their vote/read on Galleon.

They said earlier today that if anything, it was I who was sheeping them on the Galleon read, but let's take a look at the order of events again:

The reason this stuck out to me so much is that everyone else was just fucking around with early joke votes, but yours straddles the line between joking (least fun flotation device) and serious (protecting players and sus votes). It reads to me as someone wanting to say something to justify their early vote and maybe plant a seed that can take that vote all the way to EoD by never letting off the "this player is kinda sus" train. Upon examination, and then questioning, I just find myself not agreeing at all that Houseboat seemed like they were protecting anyone or voting in a sus way, and so I instead find you to be the sus one for the way in which the vote came about and feeling like you were scraping for reasons to justify it.

Vote: Galleon
Galleon - Went over them a bit last night when I voted there, but to reiterate, I don't like the vote on Houseboat and it feels like they had to really stretch for reasoning to try justifying it. They gave some other thoughts in #242, but not much. Scummish lean so far.
They seemed to be saying earlier in #204, #219, and #236 that they saw Duck/Houseboat as Scum partners, though that seems to have changed now in #312 to me and Houseboat being partnered, and Duck is unknown.

The rest of the above post is strange too, because Galleon voted for Houseboat well before most of the stuff they are bringing up there, so it goes back to what I said yesterday about an early vote being carried on with "this player just be sus" reasonings, and it gives me bad vibes.
Then there's the fact that I think Galleon's vote on them is sus and remains sus, so that colors my perception a bit too where I don't see myself wanting to join in on their vote.
So there's me Scum reading Galleon most of the first half of the day.
- Not feeling good about Galleon. Their initial vote was weird and there is not much there.
The above is the first read that Cruise ship gave on Galleon.
Still think Galleon hasn't done anything more than those others to make them not vote worthy today, kind of surprised how little attention they seem to be getting from anyone but me.
The morning of EoD, I said the above, which was followed shortly after by the below:
I still don't feel good about Galleon:

As has been previously mentioned this vote was really weird:



Early vote so it could easily be explained with claiming it being a joke but:



They double down on that read. It seems so sus.

This post read that someone else wrote it and, to me, it reads like they are doing some damage control:



But then they go back to calling Houseboat slimy and tried to make connections to another players:



And super scummy:



Something similar has been brought up for Houseboat here:



I agree that Houseboat vote looks bad but Galleon's early vote and how they are now trying to justify it also seems like someone who is worried about moving their vote and also trying to create a reason for not moving it.

Right now I think that I Galleon and Houseboat feel like a good place to vote. Planning to put a vote down on one of them later, after I talk it with myself a little bit more.
After a bit of me talking to myself I'm ok doing this:

Vote: Galleon
So, really, Cruise Ship reiterated a lot of what I had already been saying about Galleon in their ISO post of them, and dropped the #2 vote on them the morning of EoD when votes were gathering around Houseboat/Kayak/Yacht at the time iirc.

I can see this as a Scum player wanting to spread their vote and perhaps not be on the same train as other Scum players towards EoD. Their read being mostly the same as mine, and the hard Town read they were giving me earlier, feels like a pocket/sheep type situation.

It's also notable that they agreed with me earlier about the supposed Houseboat Slip not feeling like they were Scum, but then saying there towards EoD they think Houseboat is a good vote too:

I agree with this analysis because the slip theory doesn't make sense from a scum perspective. Houseboat was clearly aware they were posting in the game thread, not the scum thread or pair thread, and specifically volunteered that they had a response prepared. I feel like doing that when you mean some explanation you'd cooked up in scum thread is like saying "as I was discussing with my mafia teammates" just not something a mafia player would type as a slip.
Right now I think that I Galleon and Houseboat feel like a good place to vote.
All of this to me feels like a Scum player that was more worried about where their vote should be than who they wanted to vote for.

Vote: Cruise Ship
 

Submarine

Costume
Also, I agree with whoever it was earlier that said that Duck hasn't actually done a whole lot. I think they were a case of getting townread for mostly activity reasons on D1, so I def want to take a look at them too.

Otherwise, I'm still feeling Townie on Lifeboat/Houseboat/Gondola/Inflatable. Skiff I go back and forth on, but for now I'd give them a Town lean. Anyone I didn't mention, def going to want to look them over more closely today.
 

Submarine

Costume
Ok, some quick ISOs I want to go over are Beluga, Duck, Yacht, and Kayak.

Beluga - I think their ISO looks pretty good tbh. They have a good balance of both questioning and opinion/read sharing. Their EoD progression feels natural, and their posts so far today have been following that same balance they had on D1. Feeling pretty Townish.

Duck - Yeah, a lot of their D1 was spent picking at Houseboat, swapped to Yacht at EoD after the claim. I do like that they came into today sus of Cruise Ship though since that's where my mind was as well, so we'll see how that plays out. I'd put them in a kind of Null zone for now I guess, where I hope to get a more solid read here by the end of D2.

Yacht - I liked them as a candidate yesterday, mainly because they were a top Scum read of my Top Town read, Jet Ski. Today, however, I'm seeing some good Townie motivation from them, looking at the votes on them, finding Skiff's to be sus. Yeah, I'd lean Townish on Yacht for now.

Kayak - One of the vote candidates yesterday, though I wasn't really into it. One of the voices is definitely a bit more blunt and abrasive than the other, but if anything that reads more Townie than Scummy to me. They do tend to get focused on themselves a bit, in terms of what others are saying about them, but being pretty sure who the blunt/abrasive one is, that tracks. It's a tough read, but ultimately I don't think I find them to be Scummy yet.



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Unfortunately, this is leaving me with what feels like too many Town leans here lol.

If I had to sort things out a little bit more, it's probably like:

Town
Lifeboat
Houseboat
Inflatable
Gondola
Beluga

Light Town
Yacht

Somewhere in the middle
Skiff
Kayak
Duck

Scum
Cruise


Cruise Ship is really my top Scum read right now, that's where alarm bells are going off for me, hence the vote. I'll need to observe more on the middle pack, and pray that I'm not wrong about my Town reads because come on, those guys are being Townie so far, don't be Scum on me lol.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
I can see this as a Scum player wanting to spread their vote and perhaps not be on the same train as other Scum players towards EoD. Their read being mostly the same as mine, and the hard Town read they were giving me earlier, feels like a pocket/sheep type situation.

2 people have similar reads? On D1? What are the odds? I think our vote was fine.

All of this to me feels like a Scum player that was more worried about where their vote should be than who they wanted to vote for.

It almost feel as those 2 posts were written by 2 different people. WOW.
 

Gondola

Costume
2 people have similar reads? On D1? What are the odds? I think our vote was fine.



It almost feel as those 2 posts were written by 2 different people. WOW.

Cruise Ship, other than the lifeboat 2 shot equation, where are you at right now. Who do you like, who do you not and why. Where would you like to look today?
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
I think that Inflatable boat, Submarine and Gondola are town. Maybe Kayak.

Scum leans are Lifeboat and Yacht.

Null on Skiff, Beluga and Duck. Will try to ISO them now.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
I just reread Skiff. Not much there. Mostly coasting and a LOT of weird posts with 0 substance. But maybe too erratical to be scum?
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
Quick read on Beluga and I'm fine with them. Asking some questions that I liked. I also liked their read list D1. Add them to the town camp.
 

Gondola

Costume
I think that Inflatable boat, Submarine and Gondola are town. Maybe Kayak.

Scum leans are Lifeboat and Yacht.

Null on Skiff, Beluga and Duck. Will try to ISO them now.

Alright, is the scum lean for lifeboat based on the 2 shot doctor thing and your conclusions there or are there other things that have pinged you on the slot?
 

Yacht

Costume
What's the reason for these open questions?
I think that reducing players to a single claim or slip is easy territory for scum to hide being fooled or convinced or otherwise limit their talking points. So I wanna see who is interested in the wider view.
Yacht points out that this '10 seconds of thought' list Skiff made was in response to someone saying they wouldn't vote for Yacht. So....this whole thing started because they wouldn't vote for Yacht. And forgot, voting for Yacht.
My response today was meant to be a bit sarcastic so this might be getting confusing. Skiff was prompted for town reads and gave those four names. I asked why and they gave a nothing response with no explanation of those were just names they didn't want to vote for. Felt like a "people die when they are killed" statement so I poked fun.
I originally asked about the 4 names as Skiff was concerned about the 4 candidates Lifeboat was set up for and I was curious if these were real town reads or shoddily modified scum reads of their scum read - but I was mixing up Galleon and Gondola and only 2/4 names line up.
Reads request:
Thanks for these, reason I asked is you started the day saying you wanted to know if I was town yesterday to help solve these slots but they seemed townier to me so I was wondering how helpful you actually thought my flip would be in solving. It seems like for these names my flip would help reinforce your town reads on some leans?
 

Houseboat

Costume
im the duck you are looking for here

i am editorializing a bit since i made this read in our chat but what pinged me specifically as a defense was trying to compare scenarios here:

i thought the comparison was a false equivalency at the time and it always struck me weird

at the end of the day i think day 1 kind of fell flat because of the claim at the 11th hour and i think we need to push on other angles because honestly i could pretend to have more reads from day 1 but i really dont

it doesnt help that i specifically was afk for day end but still even being here i dont think i would have swayed much with what i read
Thank you for the elaboration and the honesty. My question is then, why did you not mention you were scumreading Cruise on Day 1? Or is it just today that the gears are turning there?
 

Houseboat

Costume
houseboat - this slot was in a dicey spot before the claim. Willing to take that on face value for now and let the claim play out and accept my read was just off but do want to point out that I've noticed the second partner just doesn't seem to have come back at all since the claim lol, @Houseboat has the other one been put in boat storage?
No, my other half is still around. They do seem a bit tepid now, but they are free to post whatever they like.
 

Houseboat

Costume
Yacht inspired me, so here's Skiff from today.

Like I said earlier, Skiff posted early D1 that they wouldn't vote for Yacht and had 'no scum reads'. However, they end D1 with a vote on Yacht like they scum read them the whole time. Skiff plays it off that it (the 'wont vote for' list) was something they barely thought of when they made it. They double down and still would vote for Yacht, but would prefer voting for no one.

Yacht points out that this '10 seconds of thought' list Skiff made was in response to someone saying they wouldn't vote for Yacht. So....this whole thing started because they wouldn't vote for Yacht. And forgot, voting for Yacht.

I'd argue Neutral at worst who just needs to survive and that's why they are indifferent to voting for people - for them it does not actually matter who dies as long as they live. Apathetic Town is the flipside, which hurts us just as badly if not worse.
Why are we neutral hunting? And why can scum not be apathetic?
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
Ok so do you have thoughts on their play otherwise?

Not really.

I don't want to drag this down and I think we have enough to work with so fuck it:

Houseboat is not the doctor. I am.

Lifeboat very likely did a slip and posted the fake claim discussed in scum chat here.

I know that people wanted to wait some more for the counterclaim but I think we have a good lead.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Not really.

I don't want to drag this down and I think we have enough to work with so fuck it:

Houseboat is not the doctor. I am.

Lifeboat very likely did a slip and posted the fake claim discussed in scum chat here.

I know that people wanted to wait some more for the counterclaim but I think we have a good lead.
Uh...holy shit.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
We wanted to wait to claim but just now agreed things were going too far off the rails. We didn’t vote hb yesterday bc we thought he probably claimed when about to be voted out in order to bait counterclaims, so we would give ourselves away to scum as the true doc if we seemed to know HB’s claim was false
 

Houseboat

Costume
Not really.

I don't want to drag this down and I think we have enough to work with so fuck it:

Houseboat is not the doctor. I am.

Lifeboat very likely did a slip and posted the fake claim discussed in scum chat here.

I know that people wanted to wait some more for the counterclaim but I think we have a good lead.
Well that is a very strange scum strategy. I have genuinely seen scum counterclaim the real doctor before, though the circumstances of that game were quite different.

Is it possible there is more than 1 doctor? It is an Unusual game after all. Anyone remember 2 gossips?

@Cruise Ship Why did you guys vote for Galleon if you were counter to HB?
Also yes, this is super weird. If you were so convinced I was scum why would you stay on a vote that had me on it?
 

Yacht

Costume
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We were just discussing HB and Cruise right before this and leaning scum on both lol. Gonna see if that counter checks out, gut says HB has more smoke around them.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
@Cruise Ship Why did you guys vote for Galleon if you were counter to HB?

Why not? I made a post before that I was scum reading Galleon and Houseboat. I really though that they were scum. I even said in my chat that I could even saw them paired. Houseboat claimed and I freaked out in my chat. We were talking about what to do when people started saying that we shouldn't counter claim. So we decided to stay silent. I had my vote in a player that I felt could be scum, even be Houseboat partner. Also I was too worried that doing something could expose us.

There are a couple of other things but you played it straight today. Did you plan to claim since last night?

No. But Lifeboat's post really read like a slip in our eyes. If I'm right, 2 scum for 1 doctor is a good trade. If it weren't for it I don't know if I would have claimed.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
Well that is a very strange scum strategy. I have genuinely seen scum counterclaim the real doctor before, though the circumstances of that game were quite different.

Is it possible there is more than 1 doctor? It is an Unusual game after all. Anyone remember 2 gossips?


Also yes, this is super weird. If you were so convinced I was scum why would you stay on a vote that had me on it?
It is unusual because we’re a bunch of paired boats in costume not because there are two doctors for no reason. You’re scum.

we couldn’t give ourselves away to scum by voting you after your claim, so we stuck with our previous biggest scum read galleon. Since bussing is a thing, you bring on the vote didn’t mean they were town.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Well that is a very strange scum strategy. I have genuinely seen scum counterclaim the real doctor before, though the circumstances of that game were quite different.

Is it possible there is more than 1 doctor? It is an Unusual game after all. Anyone remember 2 gossips?


Also yes, this is super weird. If you were so convinced I was scum why would you stay on a vote that had me on it?
No, I don't think there are two doctors in a game this small. Don't presume, I know, but it's very unlikely.
 
There is much to ponder, and my partner and I are once again busy at work. I will say that I'm glad this claim has come out. I posited last night that if the doctor is hiding, they're doing a great job at it and being weary, but it might actually help us unravel some mystery if they went ahead and came out because figuring out Houseboat helps solve a lot.
 

Houseboat

Costume
we couldn’t give ourselves away to scum by voting you after your claim, so we stuck with our previous biggest scum read galleon. Since bussing is a thing, you bring on the vote didn’t mean they were town.
If I am scum and I just fakeclaimed doctor I am basically a dead person walking. Why would I bus in that scenario?

No, I don't think there are two doctors in a game this small. Don't presume, I know, but it's very unlikely.
I ask because with the limitations on my role I would not be entirely surprised.
 
I don't think we're going to go vote crazy and hammer, but I'll say it just in case---please don't. I'm about to vanish into work and don't want to miss the fun.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Why not? I made a post before that I was scum reading Galleon and Houseboat. I really though that they were scum. I even said in my chat that I could even saw them paired. Houseboat claimed and I freaked out in my chat. We were talking about what to do when people started saying that we shouldn't counter claim. So we decided to stay silent. I had my vote in a player that I felt could be scum, even be Houseboat partner. Also I was too worried that doing something could expose us.
That doesn't sound entirely wrong. So you thought Galleon could be bussing HB which is possible. The wording was kind of harsh for bussing, slimy etc. Did you ever falter when Galleon didn't vote for self-preservation? When you were pushing reads for if HB was town, was that to hide?
No. But Lifeboat's post really read like a slip in our eyes. If I'm right, 2 scum for 1 doctor is a good trade. If it weren't for it I don't know if I would have claimed.
Fair enough, this is now a thunderdome. I can't see a benefit for scum Cruise to just jump out like this when the day is early as hell.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
If I am scum and I just fakeclaimed doctor I am basically a dead person walking. Why would I bus in that scenario?I ask because with the limitations on my role I would not be entirely surprised
I ask because with the limitations on my role I would not be entirely surprised
Obviously the reason to bus would be that you thought your partner would survive & when you were eventually revealed/killed they would be seen to have had a scum vote on them. In fact galleon was town, but I don’t see why we should have assumed that they were bc of your vote.

we will not be saying anything about any limitations or lack thereof on our role, nice try
 

Yacht

Costume
Here is Cruise post-claim:
Didn't Kayak moved off Houseboat way before they claimed?
I’d like to see more people giving their thoughts on Galleon. With houseboat out of contention (which I agree is necessary for today) I’m surprised to see galleon not getting more votes. I haven’t seen many takes on my ISO explaining why galleon is suspicious other than Submarine who agrees with me
if you assume houseboat is town due to the claim how does that affect your read of galleon?

It's a muted reaction. They indicate taking HB out of contention and looking at Galleon instead but it's hard to get a sense of how they are looking at HB in a new light given the high chance they are now scum.
 

Cruise Ship

Costume
Here is Cruise post-claim:




It's a muted reaction. They indicate taking HB out of contention and looking at Galleon instead but it's hard to get a sense of how they are looking at HB in a new light given the high chance they are now scum.
We were trying not to reveal to scum that we were the doctor, so we didn’t put our suspicions of HB in the thread
 
as my partner alluded to i also called bs on the doc claim in our chat once i came back from missing eod so

VOTE: Houseboat

im not as sold that this means anything for lifeboat tbh and i apologize to cruise ship for sussing you
 

Lifeboat

Costume
Cruise Ship is probably the real doc. It would be a super pessimistic scum that counter claims the doctor with no votes on them less than half way through the day phase. It also explains why Houseboat didn't die last night.

I am a bit piqued by the point Beluga brought up. Why vote the same way as someone you know is scum especially on a close vote. And also that Beluga was pretty quick on that like they spent the night phase trying to work out what the criteria for the real doc is. Because they already knew Houseboat was fake.
 

Gondola

Costume
I will definitely vote for houseboat in a thunderdome scenario here, it checks out to me that the second partner totally dipped out of fear of getting in hot water again.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Cruise Ship is probably the real doc. It would be a super pessimistic scum that counter claims the doctor with no votes on them less than half way through the day phase. It also explains why Houseboat didn't die last night.

I am a bit piqued by the point Beluga brought up. Why vote the same way as someone you know is scum especially on a close vote. And also that Beluga was pretty quick on that like they spent the night phase trying to work out what the criteria for the real doc is. Because they already knew Houseboat was fake.
That's more thought than I put into it. What's the criteria for the real doc?
 

Yacht

Costume
Between the 2 claims HB claimed to save their own skin whereas Cruise claimed to help the game forward so thinking this is right
Vote: Houseboat
 

Lifeboat

Costume
That's more thought than I put into it. What's the criteria for the real doc?

Well if you are the mafia team and houseboat fake claimed you are doing it to out the actual doctor. So someone aligning their vote with someone who they should know is mafia is not someone I would personally put as the person who has the counterclaim.

however I guess that is just my own method because mafia decided to kill Jet Ski instead who voted both ways. And voted late to align themselves with Houseboat. Was Jet Ski an early Houseboat voter because obviously those people should be getting a bit more credit right now.
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
Well if you are the mafia team and houseboat fake claimed you are doing it to out the actual doctor. So someone aligning their vote with someone who they should know is mafia is not someone I would personally put as the person who has the counterclaim.

however I guess that is just my own method because mafia decided to kill Jet Ski instead who voted both ways. And voted late to align themselves with Houseboat. Was Jet Ski an early Houseboat voter because obviously those people should be getting a bit more credit right now.
Oh. Can you walk me through the connection between that and looking for the real doc through the night?
 

Houseboat

Costume
Obviously the reason to bus would be that you thought your partner would survive & when you were eventually revealed/killed they would be seen to have had a scum vote on them. In fact galleon was town, but I don’t see why we should have assumed that they were bc of your vote.

we will not be saying anything about any limitations or lack thereof on our role, nice try
Okay cool.

I ask because I am odd-night, 3-shot, and I cannot self-protect. A lot of limitations for the only doctor.

Last night I protected Submarine for whatever that is worth. My partner did not object because they felt bad about earlier.
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Houseboat (3 votes)
Cruise Ship - #761
Giant Rubber Duck - #775
Yacht - #782

Cruise Ship (0 votes)
Submarine - #735 #771

Lifeboat (0 votes)
Inflatable Boat - #650 #728

Not voting: Gondola, Submarine, Kayak, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Houseboat, Inflatable Boat, Skiff

Post Counts:
Inflatable Boat: 25 Lifeboat: 23 Yacht: 23 Cruise Ship: 19 Houseboat: 19 Beluga Whale: 18 Gondola: 18 Submarine: 13 Giant Rubber Duck: 12 Kayak: 11 Skiff: 3

Current Countdown:
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Lifeboat

Costume
Oh. Can you walk me through the connection between that and looking for the real doc through the night?

If you fake claim as mafia and live to tell the tale then you are going to look to see if there is someone who is likely to be a counter claim to you. The point of claiming doc is not just to survive but to test who is the real doc or if there even is a doctor out there so you can kill a strong PR in the night phase.

If there is a real doc the fake claim already put you on a time limit. Better to get the real doctor before a counter claim happens and before a doctor has a chance of saving someone.

So if you were looking for the doctor during the night you would have checked. Like Cruise Ship voting with Houseboat - probably not doctor. And had that info to hand you would be immediately skeptical of Houseboat claiming doc and you think it may just be a gambit when the day phase is a bit dead.
 
Okay cool.

I ask because I am odd-night, 3-shot, and I cannot self-protect. A lot of limitations for the only doctor.

Last night I protected Submarine for whatever that is worth. My partner did not object because they felt bad about earlier.
there is no world where you are both night limited and also shot limited
 

Beluga Whale

Costume
If you fake claim as mafia and live to tell the tale then you are going to look to see if there is someone who is likely to be a counter claim to you. The point of claiming doc is not just to survive but to test who is the real doc or if there even is a doctor out there so you can kill a strong PR in the night phase.

If there is a real doc the fake claim already put you on a time limit. Better to get the real doctor before a counter claim happens and before a doctor has a chance of saving someone.

So if you were looking for the doctor during the night you would have checked. Like Cruise Ship voting with Houseboat - probably not doctor. And had that info to hand you would be immediately skeptical of Houseboat claiming doc and you think it may just be a gambit when the day phase is a bit dead.
I see, it was just a really specific observation that I couldn't help but ask how you got that conclusion. And the conclusion is also pretty intricate.
 

Lifeboat

Costume
i like Houseboat > Yacht as mafia right now.

Makes me reconsider Kayak immediately. They had a good vote on Houseboat early, even if they moved off it. I would put them as town.
 
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