Giant Rubber Duck
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Gondola and Inflatable stuck out to me so I’ll be giving them a closer look. Just came home and have only been able to make surface level reads.
Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats
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Submarine
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They stick out to you as possible Scum?
Giant Rubber Duck
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But do you just instantly bus as mafia there? I feel like most try to hedge and Houseboat hadn’t given up.
Lifeboat
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Yacht throwing away a vote off wagon in case they die i can see. I do not think that says anything about Skiff. If Yacht is mafia shouldn't Skiff be getting credit for voting them on day 1?
I would need to look into the circumstances of their vote.
Giant Rubber Duck
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I didn’t like the way they reacted to Cruise’s claim, but other than that I don’t have much of a read.
Lifeboat
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Yes. They know Cruise Ship is real, everyone believes Cruise Ship. Vote early, end the day. Stop town from talking.
i never doubted Cruise Ship was actually the medic until they stopped being open which did put a tiny doubt in my mind. i was more worried it was possible odd/even docs and we were on a potential path to destruction where we chain vote out two doctors. Trying to get a tiny bit more info to ensure we weren't in that situation is all I was trying to do.
Submarine
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Beluga Whale
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Their reaction to HB day 1 and 2 seems fine to me. It could be a deliberate bus on HB but I haven't thought about that yet or went back to iso. This is my first impression. When I say good, I mean I'm neutral on them now.
Yacht
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Haven't had a chance to go back over day 1 in depth or connect with my other half much overnight but surface impressions from that flip.
Really like Inflatable, thought they had a strong day 2 in combination with very good HB pressure pre-claim.
Sub still looks good, seems like HB was annoyed at the early town consensus on them in a way that doesn't read teamed.
Beluga was getting stuck in with some good questions during the claim yesterday which I liked, want to see where they look today.
Skiff and Kayak I want to see more of now that there is some meat to the game can't really get a full read on either as of now.
Lifeboat feels like a trap to me, they were in very loud opposition to the momentum of the room in a way that stood out.
Duck was pinging me a bit yesterday, HBs defense was so poor so find it hard to believe there isn't a bus vote in there.
Gondola feels a bit more passive than I expected from their start, was around yesterday but not too invested.
Really like Inflatable, thought they had a strong day 2 in combination with very good HB pressure pre-claim.
Sub still looks good, seems like HB was annoyed at the early town consensus on them in a way that doesn't read teamed.
Beluga was getting stuck in with some good questions during the claim yesterday which I liked, want to see where they look today.
Skiff and Kayak I want to see more of now that there is some meat to the game can't really get a full read on either as of now.
Lifeboat feels like a trap to me, they were in very loud opposition to the momentum of the room in a way that stood out.
Duck was pinging me a bit yesterday, HBs defense was so poor so find it hard to believe there isn't a bus vote in there.
Gondola feels a bit more passive than I expected from their start, was around yesterday but not too invested.
Submarine
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Like, for me, Duck, Gondola, Inflatable, Beluga just all feel super Townie to me here. I'd need someone else to convince me majorly otherwise to vote for one of them today.
So that leaves me looking at: Lifeboat, Yacht, Kayak, Skiff.
Lifeboat/Kayak is what my going-into-the-day brain was telling me.
But both of them had a great start to the day here, so that makes me think I'm just uber wrong again lol.
So, I'm now looking at Yacht and Skiff as my suspects instead, that's how it kind of breaks down for me I guess lol.
So that leaves me looking at: Lifeboat, Yacht, Kayak, Skiff.
Lifeboat/Kayak is what my going-into-the-day brain was telling me.
But both of them had a great start to the day here, so that makes me think I'm just uber wrong again lol.
So, I'm now looking at Yacht and Skiff as my suspects instead, that's how it kind of breaks down for me I guess lol.
Lifeboat
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i'm not with Yacht. i was fine with Yacht dying and if inflatable had voted before Jet Ski shifted I think Yacht would be dead.
And I had already said i didn't like Galleon either. Which IIRC was the exact same place you were in which is why i thought we shoudl be the ones to hammer and stop any nonsense. Because if there was anything suspect going on we had already said we were hedging between two people and therefore should be down to hammer either one.
I think if Yacht turns out to be bad then you look a lot worse.
Giant Rubber Duck
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yacht is salty they are being scum read by me and are going to try and pretend im “”pinging”” them
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Beluga Whale
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How are you feeling on skiff?
Submarine
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If Lifeboat is Town, then Skiff looks pretty bad to me. Lifeboat has been a lot Townier overall I'd say.
Beluga Whale
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I would need to check, but was Skiff the person who aaid they wouldn't vote yacht and then voted yacht?
Lifeboat
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Scratch that about Submarine. They were one of the people pushing houseboat especially with the slip thing. Would be wild for them to be partners.
Kayak
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This really doesnt mean anything. It could just be the 2 ppl saw the situation diff. One wanted to try to save HB while the other knew it was a bad look and tried to clean it up.
Also it's WIFOM to try too say they ran inference too hard for them to be mafia.
Submarine
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Yes.
Submarine
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I didn't push them as Scum for it though, I pushed them as being too Scum to be Scum lmao.
Beluga Whale
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Lifeboat
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Are we sure the same person that said that was the one that voted?
Skiff needs to explain.
Submarine
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They both had the sig at least.
Giant Rubber Duck
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ok so do you disagree with me or not
Submarine
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Still busy but popping in to say
I was not okay with a turbo yesterday because I was going to finally be able to play especially since I thought I had until today to get work done.
In the end I can't be too mad because scum was caught but still :<
Anyways will be back later o/
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I was not okay with a turbo yesterday because I was going to finally be able to play especially since I thought I had until today to get work done.
In the end I can't be too mad because scum was caught but still :<
Anyways will be back later o/
Beluga Whale
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Yacht
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HB reread
- Intro is very aloof
- First vote is a joke vote on sub #134
- Asked if Duck had a legit town read on sub
- #232 is blanket shade on everyone townreading sub
- #235 specifically references "moving the game out of the small talk phase" which seems to refer to Ducks #228 but is said in reply to Jet Ski instead of a direct accusation toward Duck
- #286, #288 are the first read reads. Likes Sub (mentions partner disagreement), likes Skiff and Galleon.
- #295 presses Duck on a comment they made, Duck replies it was a joke made by the partner, HB doubts but accepts it is from the partner
-#326 felt iffy on Duck but warming up, liking the partner conflict. Disliked Kayak but called them LHF.
- #332 is the timeline slip of revisionism on their sub vote (joke vs response to town reads)
- #382 is the prepared response "explaining" the mix up
- #387 is them replying to IB clarifying it was a stock response
- #450 they mention half of them is working on a list of reads. Seems like they are hoping to redeem themselves.
- #456 is a huge reads list. Definitely trying hard to turn the read on them around.
Sub read is positive, not worried until late game.
Liked belgua.
Liked IB for their style.
Disliked the Galleon push against them and set themself up to go there later.
Also set up a case on Kayak and highlighted an interaction with Gondola.
Said Jet Ski was NAI but did throw some shade, sounds like they were open to going here at some point.
Liked Gondola and liked them more than Galleon or Kayak.
Doesn't mention us (Yacht) or Cruise Ship until the end to say they haven't ISOed either yet but were liking Cruise more.
Leaves off Skiff, Lifeboat and Duck entirely.
- #461 won't vote list is sub, skiff, beluga, inflatable and gondola. Skiff is more out of place following the big read list but rest are in line.
- #458 finishes off their read of us and Cruise. Cruise gets a light town read, we get a null read with the common talking point of being too agreeable or repeating others.
- #475 seems mad at pushback ("uno-reverse" from Kayak)
- #486 is the doc claim. Seems like a good stopping point for now.
- Interactions actually look good for Kayak and Duck
- Non-interactions with Skiff and Lifeboat but hard to say how meaningful these are.
- Big reads list gives off enough effort that it seems like first big attempt at save. Makes me think early pressure on them is more town since it'd be easier to swing the vote otherwise. Better for Duck, Kayak and IB.
- Intro is very aloof
- First vote is a joke vote on sub #134
- Asked if Duck had a legit town read on sub
- #232 is blanket shade on everyone townreading sub
- #235 specifically references "moving the game out of the small talk phase" which seems to refer to Ducks #228 but is said in reply to Jet Ski instead of a direct accusation toward Duck
- #286, #288 are the first read reads. Likes Sub (mentions partner disagreement), likes Skiff and Galleon.
- #295 presses Duck on a comment they made, Duck replies it was a joke made by the partner, HB doubts but accepts it is from the partner
-#326 felt iffy on Duck but warming up, liking the partner conflict. Disliked Kayak but called them LHF.
- #332 is the timeline slip of revisionism on their sub vote (joke vs response to town reads)
- #382 is the prepared response "explaining" the mix up
- #387 is them replying to IB clarifying it was a stock response
- #450 they mention half of them is working on a list of reads. Seems like they are hoping to redeem themselves.
- #456 is a huge reads list. Definitely trying hard to turn the read on them around.
Sub read is positive, not worried until late game.
Liked belgua.
Liked IB for their style.
Disliked the Galleon push against them and set themself up to go there later.
Also set up a case on Kayak and highlighted an interaction with Gondola.
Said Jet Ski was NAI but did throw some shade, sounds like they were open to going here at some point.
Liked Gondola and liked them more than Galleon or Kayak.
Doesn't mention us (Yacht) or Cruise Ship until the end to say they haven't ISOed either yet but were liking Cruise more.
Leaves off Skiff, Lifeboat and Duck entirely.
- #461 won't vote list is sub, skiff, beluga, inflatable and gondola. Skiff is more out of place following the big read list but rest are in line.
- #458 finishes off their read of us and Cruise. Cruise gets a light town read, we get a null read with the common talking point of being too agreeable or repeating others.
- #475 seems mad at pushback ("uno-reverse" from Kayak)
- #486 is the doc claim. Seems like a good stopping point for now.
- Interactions actually look good for Kayak and Duck
- Non-interactions with Skiff and Lifeboat but hard to say how meaningful these are.
- Big reads list gives off enough effort that it seems like first big attempt at save. Makes me think early pressure on them is more town since it'd be easier to swing the vote otherwise. Better for Duck, Kayak and IB.
Yacht
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Expand on this, what do you like about ducks vote on Houseboat in comparison to ours?
Beluga Whale
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This half of the Beluga Whale would definitely like to hear more from Skiff. I don't know how valuable a LB flip would be today if they are town, but I certaintly wouldn't be against it. Yacht seems towny-ish to me
Kayak
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I said it's WIFOM and doesnt mean anything either way. That would mean I disagree.
What is something Townie LB has done?
Inflatable Boat
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I'll be back later as I'm busy at the moment but I still want to pop lifeboat.
Lifeboat
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I too would also expect mafia to just vote on houseboat early and part of my read on why i think you could be mafia. But you put a spotlight on Duck for it with no self reflection of your own actions.
Did you consider that you did the exact same thing as them?
It feels like a weird thing for you to do as mafia. Which makes me think I am wrong and the mafia is in Beluga/inflatible/duck/gondola
Giant Rubber Duck
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Day 1 Houseboat got some heat, near day end when they got a bunch of votes they claimed doctor and it became a tie between Yacht and Galleon. Galleon went over and flipped town.
Day 2 Houseboat survived the night (Jet Ski died, vanilla town) and they weren't really sussed, but eventually Cruiseship counterclaimed Houseboat. Houseboat tried to defend themselves, but were hammered and flipped mafia, regular goon.
Day 3 Cruiseship was killed at night (and was doctor) and were we're now discussing people in relation to Houseboat.
Giant Rubber Duck
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Quack.
Gondola
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Vote: Lifeboat
I'm starting today here.
I'm not even sure the worst thing was the frantic defence and the insistent fishing.
It was House standing down while Life was under scrutiny over what they said about House's claim yesterday.
That was post 666, checking the tool there had only been one vote at that point, on Lifeboat. If people might be talking themselves into a vote for the day you don't scupper that. You don't do that for someone who isn't a teammate.
I'm starting today here.
I'm not even sure the worst thing was the frantic defence and the insistent fishing.
It was House standing down while Life was under scrutiny over what they said about House's claim yesterday.
That was post 666, checking the tool there had only been one vote at that point, on Lifeboat. If people might be talking themselves into a vote for the day you don't scupper that. You don't do that for someone who isn't a teammate.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Yacht (1 votes)
Submarine - #914
Lifeboat (1 votes)
Submarine - #882 #914
Gondola - #942
Not voting: Giant Rubber Duck, Inflatable Boat, Yacht, Kayak, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Skiff
Post Counts:
Submarine: 17 Giant Rubber Duck: 12 Lifeboat: 11 Beluga Whale: 8 Kayak: 4 Gondola: 4 Yacht: 3 Skiff: 2 Inflatable Boat: 1
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Yacht (1 votes)
Submarine - #914
Lifeboat (1 votes)
Gondola - #942
Not voting: Giant Rubber Duck, Inflatable Boat, Yacht, Kayak, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Skiff
Post Counts:
Submarine: 17 Giant Rubber Duck: 12 Lifeboat: 11 Beluga Whale: 8 Kayak: 4 Gondola: 4 Yacht: 3 Skiff: 2 Inflatable Boat: 1
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Lifeboat
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What absolute nonsense. How was Houseboat standing down? Until the counter claim they were in absolutely no danger of being voted out yesterday.
Beluga Whale
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Gondola meant (I'm guessing) HB standing down in relation to you saying they were 2 shot yesterday, so the person in danger would have been you, not them.
Lifeboat
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How is that standing down? They are insinuating that Houseboat did something to put themselves in the frame over me. I told people what happened and people generally came to conclusion I was telling the truth.
It makes no sense to make that connection. Houseboat was only in danger after Cruise Ship counter claimed. And no one had anything to do with that apart from Cruise Ship.
Gondola
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No, but you might have been. But instead at a time when people were looking at you as a possible option and while they still had goodwill they tried to share that goodwill with you instead of putting a boot in.
Lifeboat
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You have the events all out of whack and the mafia team had nothing to do with houseboat being in the frame. That was all Cruise Ship.
I think mafia are more likely to be the people who claim they never believed houseboat because they were aware that their claim was a lie and it would come back to bite them eventually. My position was that I believed Houseboat until Cruise Ship countered.
Beluga Whale
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My ship, I think things are getting crossed here. *Here's what is being said:
Houseboat wasn't in danger at the time.
Houseboat posted they believed you to lessen pressure on you.
A lot of people came to the conclusion that you saying 2-shot was an honest mistake.
Gondala is saying that fake doctor scum houseboat clearing you at that time is weird.
Yacht
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Why would I make scums case on our boat for them? I know where my vote on HB came from and I also feel that HBs defense was too weak for the wagon to be pure. It seemed like they didn't even want to act like they had a full counter on Cruise.
Lifeboat
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But why would you think Duck had done something scummy when you did the same thing. Why aren't they town doing the same thing as you?
Lifeboat
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My read on Houseboat being bad is certainly something to be looked at BUT I didn't know they were fake. Them tying themselves to me obviously makes me look bad but if they think they are eventually going to get busted with a counter claim they would be more likely to separate from partners than support them.
i guess if you think I am mafia they are doing it to stop two mafia going down which is fair but it just isn't like that.
But still Gondola is wrong and making a terrible read if they are say Houseboat stood down, i.e. gave themselves up to save me. Which is how I read their post. That is just not true.
Yacht
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From my perspective, it seemed like a scum duck would know HB was scum and didn't have to think about the claim whereas my partner and I felt HB was scum based on the way day one had gone down. Duck immediately took a potshot at us for bothering to evaluate the claim which felt scummy. It just seemed like while the others were taking time to figure things out Duck wanted to look good, which makes me feel this is more on the bus side.
Duck Day 2
- #638 comment about mafia having a roleblocker (I guess to rationalize HB survival)
- #639 sus at HB surviving, mentions partner was sus of the claim.
- #692 doesn't think much of the lifeboat comment. Wants new material compared to day 1 eod. Sus of cruise ship for defending HB.
- #712 responds to cruise and HB (who made a pretty detailed opening read shading Duck in #710). Cruise read was saying Cruise hard defended HB but quote pulled up is not a strong cover.
- Cruise claims #752
- Ducks first post after is #775. Takes credit for a partner conflict which has them calling bs on the claim in private yesterday. Mentions this is not meaningful for Lifeboat and apologizes to Cruise.
- #777 Shades us for our reaction (which was just to check Cruises end and start of days)
- #787 is HB claiming their restrictions, Duck shoots them down immediately in #790
- #794 framing us as setting up a cruise ship vote
- #817, #818 less sure on Lifeboat being innocent
- #821 refuses to engage with perceived fishing from Lifeboat
- #847 shoots down 2 doc theory HB/LB were entertaining
- #861 pokes fun at HBs random vote on them
Vote: Giant Rubber Duck
Beluga Whale
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I'm just saying that's not how I read their post. Semantics and all, I don't know. Both Lifeboats read it that way?
Yacht
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Houseboat was in danger the moment they fake claimed Doctor even if a counter claim hadn't yet arrived. Everything after the claim is tinged with WIFOM because they are more than likely going to be watched by someone who knows they are lying and can prove it .
@Gondola how this affect your read?
Lifeboat
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IDK. The other person isn't here.
What is strange is that Gondola called me town after all the 2-shot stuff was worked out. Maybe this is a different Gondolier
Inflatable Boat
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Welcome new Skiff!
Home now and I'll get to my big read on Lifeboat and why they should 100% die today.
After yesterday (and pre-reread) I feel great about Beluga for their actions last Day Phase and have them as a good Town read. My partner really trusts Gondola as well but I need to reread there. Sub is still in the 'good' zone and this gets backed up by Houseboat's call against their building trust on D1.
Home now and I'll get to my big read on Lifeboat and why they should 100% die today.
After yesterday (and pre-reread) I feel great about Beluga for their actions last Day Phase and have them as a good Town read. My partner really trusts Gondola as well but I need to reread there. Sub is still in the 'good' zone and this gets backed up by Houseboat's call against their building trust on D1.
There is still no world where we have 2 Docs in this small game. The fact that you were searching for it was reaching at best.
Listen to Gondola. Gondola makes sense and Lifeboat is trying to obfuscate.
Vote Lifeboat with me
Giant Rubber Duck
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lol
Inflatable Boat
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Sub and Kayak brought it up today but I did point out D1 that Lifeboat gave reads against/for those surrounding Houseboat but not at Houseboat directly. Now knowing Houseboat is Scum that doesn't look pretty good so let's look at it again!
So let's give some context. By the time I point this out about Lifeboat dancing around Houseboat we currently have the majority discussion being:
Houseboat throwing shade on Sub out of nowhere without directly talking to Sub (involves Sub, & Galleon)
Houseboat then saying this was to scumread Sub, not the town reads of Sub (involves Duck, Sub, Kayak)
Houseboat makes up a reason why they voted. This reason includes something that happened after they voted. (Involves Yacht, Inflatable)
Houseboat admits they have a pre-prepared response in case someone calls them out again. (Inflatable, Galleon, Yacht)
Now, what does Lifeboat say about this? Nothing direct! In fact, they talk about everyone else involved but our recently deceased Mafia member, Houseboat. They even scumread Kayak's vote on Houseboat before they give a read on Houseboat. Which is incredibly odd since Galleon's entire pressure comes from their opening vote and focus on Scum!Houseboat, same with Kayak's interaction with HB, and Duck's response to it all. You'd think Houseboat would be the place to start figuring out instead of ignoring it and going for everyone else.
This is the only time they really discuss Houseboat (after my post calling them out - which I now see they never responded to or interacted with). As you can see, it gives nothing away in terms of a read or a stance. It just opens them up to possibly going that way. Shortly after this post is when Houseboat claims Doc, which Lifeboat pretty much immediately defends.
Oh, actually, upon a reread I do see something here - Lifeboat indirectly defends Houseboat by saying what they did wasnt scummy and fine to ask about. They do this close to when it happens, not focusing on it again until MUCH later, once the discussion has hit a feverish point and Houseboat is 2 from a Hammer. Which makes the above interesting since they don't seem too sure what to make of em when it doesnt seem that unsure here.
tl'dr
Lifeboat skirts around Houseboat all of D1 outside of soft defense early on and then a hard defense when they fakeclaim Doc. In fact, Lifeboat easily gives reads to everyone AROUND Scum!Houseboat but not the Mafia member in question - which is an incredible feat to achieve seeing as Scum!Houseboat was the reason for most discussion D1. Couple this with what I believe to be a slip yesterday and their defense, I'm fairly comfortable killing Lifeboat today.
So let's give some context. By the time I point this out about Lifeboat dancing around Houseboat we currently have the majority discussion being:
Houseboat throwing shade on Sub out of nowhere without directly talking to Sub (involves Sub, & Galleon)
Houseboat then saying this was to scumread Sub, not the town reads of Sub (involves Duck, Sub, Kayak)
Houseboat makes up a reason why they voted. This reason includes something that happened after they voted. (Involves Yacht, Inflatable)
Houseboat admits they have a pre-prepared response in case someone calls them out again. (Inflatable, Galleon, Yacht)
Now, what does Lifeboat say about this? Nothing direct! In fact, they talk about everyone else involved but our recently deceased Mafia member, Houseboat. They even scumread Kayak's vote on Houseboat before they give a read on Houseboat. Which is incredibly odd since Galleon's entire pressure comes from their opening vote and focus on Scum!Houseboat, same with Kayak's interaction with HB, and Duck's response to it all. You'd think Houseboat would be the place to start figuring out instead of ignoring it and going for everyone else.
This is the only time they really discuss Houseboat (after my post calling them out - which I now see they never responded to or interacted with). As you can see, it gives nothing away in terms of a read or a stance. It just opens them up to possibly going that way. Shortly after this post is when Houseboat claims Doc, which Lifeboat pretty much immediately defends.
Oh, actually, upon a reread I do see something here - Lifeboat indirectly defends Houseboat by saying what they did wasnt scummy and fine to ask about. They do this close to when it happens, not focusing on it again until MUCH later, once the discussion has hit a feverish point and Houseboat is 2 from a Hammer. Which makes the above interesting since they don't seem too sure what to make of em when it doesnt seem that unsure here.
tl'dr
Lifeboat skirts around Houseboat all of D1 outside of soft defense early on and then a hard defense when they fakeclaim Doc. In fact, Lifeboat easily gives reads to everyone AROUND Scum!Houseboat but not the Mafia member in question - which is an incredible feat to achieve seeing as Scum!Houseboat was the reason for most discussion D1. Couple this with what I believe to be a slip yesterday and their defense, I'm fairly comfortable killing Lifeboat today.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Vote: Lifeboat
Lifeboat
Costume
Should have deleted your post and started again.
Still trying to contort a read when something you thought was true actually wasn't. How about you say "hey I was wong, Lifeboat did talk about Houseboat" and reconsider some things instead of wasting everyone's time with a long post that is mostly incorrect
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Because your 'i DID talk about houseboat!' is defending them indirectly and then going "kinda townie i guess??". that's hardly a read compared to how direct you are with everyone else who isn't named Houseboat.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Looking back it's amazing how Galleon nailed Houseboat so fast and kept on them so much. RIP, your death was certainly avenged and helped us get them.
Now what's next? Looking back over Day 1 is likely to give us a lot of good information since Scum!Houseboat nearly died there. I think the earlier people are on them, the better they most likely are. To give some reads after looking over pieces of D1:
Duck looks great. Second vote on Scum!Houseboat and stays there. Considering I believe Lifeboat is Scum and their adjacent defense of Houseboat happens because of Duck's vote, I highly doubt Lifeboat and Duck are W/W.
Gondola looks good. A late vote on Scum!Houseboat but a solid one. They also early on questioned Houseboat due to their indirect shade throw at Sub.
Yacht looks better. Was the one to point out that Houseboat's vote timeline didn't match (which I re-brought up) and upon seeing HB's unvote and "we formulated a response in case we needed it!" from HB they went and voted there. Seems like proper follow-up to me.
Kayak. Houseboat voted them over Galleon which I don't think you'd do with a teammate that early. They left themselves open to Galleon still in the post where they voted, which indicates to me they weren't totally okay staying away from that easy 'self preservation' vote. (456). They are also the 3rd vote on Houseboat (but do leave it early), but do so in a post that gives reads on Duck and Yacht but ends with the Houseboat vote due to the 'tie' going on. An odd distinction to make so early - possible attempt to get distance and townie points early as a scummate? A consideration if Kayak is around and we aren't finding scum after a few Days.
Skiff. An odd one. Houseboat lists them in their 'wont vote today' list despite giving no read on them 3 posts prior. However, I think Skiff made an odd vote when Houseboat was 2 from Hammer if Lifeboat is scum. They go off-wagon to Lifeboat. Could be for points later? But they switch their vote before Day End. If Lifeboat isn't scum then maybe consider Skiff?
Sub. Interestingly, went big on anti-Galleon and wasn't negative against Houseboat. I know they've said as much today but I never realized how much until rereading. Deep Wolf potential - but one I'd consider if we're near End Game without more wolves dead. Would consider it more if Skiff is a Wolf, as both they and Scum!Houseboat liked Skiff D1.
Now what's next? Looking back over Day 1 is likely to give us a lot of good information since Scum!Houseboat nearly died there. I think the earlier people are on them, the better they most likely are. To give some reads after looking over pieces of D1:
Duck looks great. Second vote on Scum!Houseboat and stays there. Considering I believe Lifeboat is Scum and their adjacent defense of Houseboat happens because of Duck's vote, I highly doubt Lifeboat and Duck are W/W.
Gondola looks good. A late vote on Scum!Houseboat but a solid one. They also early on questioned Houseboat due to their indirect shade throw at Sub.
Yacht looks better. Was the one to point out that Houseboat's vote timeline didn't match (which I re-brought up) and upon seeing HB's unvote and "we formulated a response in case we needed it!" from HB they went and voted there. Seems like proper follow-up to me.
Kayak. Houseboat voted them over Galleon which I don't think you'd do with a teammate that early. They left themselves open to Galleon still in the post where they voted, which indicates to me they weren't totally okay staying away from that easy 'self preservation' vote. (456). They are also the 3rd vote on Houseboat (but do leave it early), but do so in a post that gives reads on Duck and Yacht but ends with the Houseboat vote due to the 'tie' going on. An odd distinction to make so early - possible attempt to get distance and townie points early as a scummate? A consideration if Kayak is around and we aren't finding scum after a few Days.
Skiff. An odd one. Houseboat lists them in their 'wont vote today' list despite giving no read on them 3 posts prior. However, I think Skiff made an odd vote when Houseboat was 2 from Hammer if Lifeboat is scum. They go off-wagon to Lifeboat. Could be for points later? But they switch their vote before Day End. If Lifeboat isn't scum then maybe consider Skiff?
Sub. Interestingly, went big on anti-Galleon and wasn't negative against Houseboat. I know they've said as much today but I never realized how much until rereading. Deep Wolf potential - but one I'd consider if we're near End Game without more wolves dead. Would consider it more if Skiff is a Wolf, as both they and Scum!Houseboat liked Skiff D1.
Inflatable Boat
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Gonna go do other stuff but I hope to look over D1 votes at some point in full, especially EoD.
Lifeboat
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What do you mean direct with everyone else? You are getting confused because two different people are talking. I really didn't have much to say about Houseboat. I only questioned what people were thinking that questioning submarine was a mafia play. Because I thought that was a bad play to make as mafia (turns out it was). My partner is the one who says they are unsure then reads through and decides it is "damning".
Yes my read was bad. I wasn't the only one who gave Houseboat the benefit of the doubt. I am reading through some of the accusations against Houseboat.
Yours looks good, Duck looks good, Yacht looks good. I think Kayak's vote is good but i stand by that their reasoning felt a bit strained. That could be a bus vote.
Submarine called houseboat low hanging fruit but they also called the slip. Now maybe that came up in mafia chat and they highlighted it. Seems unlikely. And I think submarine has been very townie otherwie
So if i rule out inflatible, duck, yacht, kayak, submarine
then it is 2 of gondola, skiff, beluga.
now Beluga is interesting. They have a number of good posts but what is the towniest thing they have done? Beluga has the last vote on Houseboat before they claim. But it is a huge paragraph.
I'll be honest i didn't think it looked good for us after houseboat flipped mafia and i was really hoping for a cop check today. I was going to push on yacht but reading their interactions with houseboat makes them feel more town. So I am re-evaluating there. I am not sure they are on the right track with duck but they are digging into day 2 stuff that seems reasonable but ignores day 1 duck.
Beluga Whale
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And I can see the unraveling.
I'm still thinking of how specific the example Lifeboat used was. At the moment it felt like projection with how he specified taking all night to search for the doctor while knowing HB was fake. Did anyone else come to that conclusion? That's a weird thing to jump to without an entry so quickly.
Beluga Whale
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There aren't any nicknames in this game. You have to write Beluga Whale for the vote to count.
Inflatable Boat
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Are you scum?
Skiff
Costume
no i am not!
Inflatable Boat
Costume
I'm not certain this was enough time to properly research.
Skiff
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its called reading ones pm
and i made sure to memorize:tm: the red parts
hit me with another question, make sure to put some grease on this one
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Lemme grease this one up. Houseboat fake claimed doc. Read the reactions around the claim. Who seems the most likely to be the real doctor?
If you were scum, why wouldn't you night kill Yacht if the whole purpose of the fake claim is to try and smoke out the real doctor? Instead they went for the person who in reaction to the claim said:
Yacht
Costume
There are two skiffs, which one are you the new version of? Is an OG Skiff still around?
You seem to be trying to get caught up, did you get any insights from your chat?
Yacht
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Is this a question you yourself have or something for skiff to answer?
Submarine
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See, I brought this up in my notes I posted at day start, and I think I posed the question to someone too what they thought of Yacht's D1 interactions with Houseboat, because I came to the same conclusion there. I assumed everyone Scum reading Yacht had considered this already, but maybe not lol.
I have such a hard time seeing Beluga as Scum here, I'd have to really give them a thorough reread.
I know my partner is planning to do ISOs of Yacht and Skiff, I could maybe handle one on Beluga.
Skiff I can still see, Gondola would be a tough read for me though, they feel so Townie.
I'll admit Beluga is the lightest of my Top Town Reads, the others being Duck/Inflatable/Gondola, but I still find them to be very Townie here.
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Is there a major reason for everyone to be Town reading Kayak, or are they someone we are throwing into the mix here still?
Because I'm having a hard time seeing Lifeboat as Scum with how they are playing today, so for me it's boiling down to like, Skiff and Someone Else, and that Someone Else is either like, Yacht/Kayak/Beluga, I guess??
If Lifeboat is Scum, then ok I'm completely wrong yet again and should clearly retire from this game, but other than that, Skiff would look better, and then it would be, another ??? trying to figure out who that partner is?
Ugh. Common sense would dictate that I probably should want the Lifeboat flip to help solve other slots, but I can't just bring myself to vote someone I think is playing Townie just to be sure. I just can't do it.
Vote: Skiff
Only vote that I can talk myself into at the moment.
Inflatable Boat
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When you have a chance can you take a look at Skiff's Day 1 votes in relation to Houseboat's votes taking off? They just seem so unhelpful to a teammate that I struggle to see them being on a team
I also frankly don't think we get much from them at this point.
Kayak is interesting as I noted Houseboat could've been an attempt to separate themselves with their Day 1 votes but I'm not sure. Thoughts there?
Inflatable Boat
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I will respond back to your first question when I'm back at my computer tomorrow. Herding quotes on mobile sucks.
But I really don't think it's Gondola or Beluga. Beluga was really strong last Day and between myself and my partner we both have found good stuff from Gondola. Skiff is the most realistic but even then it's because we have so little from them - and the little we have isn't too damning.
Kayak maybe. Yacht maybe maybe.
Submarine
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I can see it from the angle of either seeing Houseboat as a lost cause (they were just the Goon anyways as well), or already knowing the fix was going to be in on the Doctor claim either way so it didn't matter.
Yeah, Kayak's vote on D1 is the main thing that sticks out, it was even called out at the time I think but I don't remember by who. I'll probably do an ISO on them sometime today.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Lifeboat (2 votes)
Submarine - #882 #914
Gondola - #942
Inflatable Boat - #963
Giant Rubber Duck (1 votes)
Yacht - #955
Skiff (1 votes)
Submarine - #982
Yacht (0 votes)
Submarine - #914 #982
Not voting: Giant Rubber Duck, Kayak, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Skiff
Post Counts:
Lifeboat: 21 Submarine: 19 Giant Rubber Duck: 13 Beluga Whale: 13 Inflatable Boat: 12 Yacht: 8 Skiff: 7 Gondola: 6 Kayak: 4
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Lifeboat (2 votes)
Gondola - #942
Inflatable Boat - #963
Giant Rubber Duck (1 votes)
Yacht - #955
Skiff (1 votes)
Submarine - #982
Yacht (0 votes)
Not voting: Giant Rubber Duck, Kayak, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Skiff
Post Counts:
Lifeboat: 21 Submarine: 19 Giant Rubber Duck: 13 Beluga Whale: 13 Inflatable Boat: 12 Yacht: 8 Skiff: 7 Gondola: 6 Kayak: 4
Current Countdown:
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Skiff
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I both made the list and voted Yacht.
The explanation is that I put very little thought into the list, I don't actually remember why I put Yacht there in the first place.
I understand that's not a good explanation and I would argue against people making 'too scummy to be scum' arguments, scum could have done this.
But it is the truth and I am town.
Gondola
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So you think I should reconsider because the fake claim meant they were expecting to get caught at some point?
If they created a fake link so town!Life would look worse at some point... why? Why would they need to when they could just... let town!Life look bad at what was then "now"?
They would have lost nothing if a town!Life had flipped because of that -- a town!Life would have no knowledge of House's fake claim, so their post couldn't have been a slip, etc.
A scum!Life flipping would make it pretty damn obvious though, so trying to step back from that tracks for me.
Gondola
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Gondola
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Yeah, other Gondolier surfaced last night lol basically their point is knowing HB's alignment, they think it would have been really easy for them to just let the louder town read voices sus on the 2 shot doc thing but instead they're quite quick to step in and post a push back with a town read on you in a moment you might have gained some traction (although in 668 they do note they would keep it in mind for later if they thought you started "acting weird" so there's wiggleroom).
I think looking at confirmed scum's reaction and what they choose to do with that moment is valid when trying to read your slot, although there is a vibe that they feel like they have to give the considered slip part a pass either way otherwise it undermines their own slot and argument against the weirdness around it on D1, they mention something about it being contradictory. The town read might have been more about trying to reinforce their own towniness to everyone else and less about lifeboat.
Lifeboat
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Not much new insight to share from me. Rereading D1 I think Inflatable looks pretty good as does Yacht imo. Rubber Duck could go either way, but wouldn't be my priority today.
Kayaks vote on Houseboat is a bit strange since they leave themselves an out with a Scum read on Yacht which they later follow up on.
Honestly I come away from the reread feeling worse about Submarine. Another thing that stood out to me is how they came into the thread today with a strong Scum read of us, but seemed to drop it quite quickly when it didn't garner the support they probably had hoped for.
Kayaks vote on Houseboat is a bit strange since they leave themselves an out with a Scum read on Yacht which they later follow up on.
Honestly I come away from the reread feeling worse about Submarine. Another thing that stood out to me is how they came into the thread today with a strong Scum read of us, but seemed to drop it quite quickly when it didn't garner the support they probably had hoped for.
Gondola
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Submarine
Costume
Well, Kayak agreed with it initially, it was Duck, one of my top Town reads, saying they spent all night deciding you were Town, and you having what was in my mind a pretty Townie start to the day, that made me start to reconsider.
What do you make of Inflatable and Gondola still being sure of your scumminess, as far as I can tell?
Beluga Whale
Costume
I'm a little busy today. Either my partner will be around or I'll swing in here later today, just giving advance notice.
Lifeboat
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Can't really fault them tbh. After D2 with the role fishing I'd probably give me a big sideeye too though of course I know it was just paranoid Town. At the moment I'm not reading too much into it.
Yacht
Costume
What do you mean by called the slip? I thought sub reacted to it after me and IB.
Looked over day 1 and Duck does look better there. Seem pretty open in sharing insights on multiple names and comfortable in making reads. Push on HB is insistent and doesn't leave much wiggle room to jump ship. Didn't have much after the slip but pushed HB for who they would vote instead which seems fine.
Hmm this reads a like you could be doing damage control knowing I flip town, why would it matter if you changed your mind on me if you believed I could be scum at the time of your vote?