Inflatable Boat
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Does it say if you get a response when your Target moves or when someone interacts against your target?
Game Thread Love Boat: The Spin-off |OT| We Bare Boats
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Inflatable Boat
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Wait, that's what a motion detector is. disregard me lol.
Gondola lines up with Lifeboat getting cop checked by Duck at the least.
Gondola lines up with Lifeboat getting cop checked by Duck at the least.
Gondola
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Not exactly sure how many words the same constitutes as quoting the role pm but it's to the effect that if they visit or someone visits them it's a positive result, otherwise we get nothing spotted
Inflatable Boat
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Thanks. Can you run me through why you picked those targets?
Kayak
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Seems you have already made up your mind that you want to go me today. Why did you stop pushin Yacht yesterday? Seems you were pressuring Yacht heavy and then once Duck confirmed yo.........crickets.
Why was your vote on me yesterday?
Why wouldnt I vote to self prez?
He the most scummy of the skiff voters. I think ppl would vote skiff to keep me going for the misvote today. Sub going "im goin kayak no matter what today" is also scummy as hell. They didnt recalibrate anything, just want to push forward on their bad read.
The Bear
Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
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Yacht (1 votes)
Kayak - #1,277
Not voting: Inflatable Boat, Submarine, Yacht, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Gondola
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Submarine: 16 Inflatable Boat: 8 Lifeboat: 6 Kayak: 3 Gondola: 3 Beluga Whale: 2
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Day Start
Yacht (1 votes)
Kayak - #1,277
Not voting: Inflatable Boat, Submarine, Yacht, Beluga Whale, Lifeboat, Gondola
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Submarine: 16 Inflatable Boat: 8 Lifeboat: 6 Kayak: 3 Gondola: 3 Beluga Whale: 2
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Inflatable Boat
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Why is he the scummiest out of all of them?
Gondola
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No it wasn't an info flip, I had Skiff at the bottom of my reads and quite a bit more likely to be scum than Kayak (I was basically only looking at Yacht or Skiff), I can own that, it wasn't just to see what everyone else would do. When I say others were open to Kayak or Skiff, I just mean, people I felt likely to be town are open to these two and I prefer this one so this feels like a fine enough set of wagons for today.
Submarine
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Soooo town has a multi shot motion detector apparently... okay. I guess it'd explain the messenger as a counter that and scum goons being a thing, but it also confirms people having night powers... okay interesting.
why would I need to reacalibrate??? When you were the one i wanted out yesterday, and you weren't because town skiff got voted out instead?
Gondola
Costume
Yep, Kayak - I had rubbed up the wrong way against the slot on D1 and my partner wasn't around so I picked this one myself and wanted to see if I could spot anything. D2 we talked about the end of the day where Lifeboat was wilding out and pushing Cruise to reveal details and whether they were going for a too obvious to be scum thing so we tried it. Yacht, because imo they were sus and looked like they were trying to find a spot to sit off wagon last day phase again. My partner was barely around last night so I pretty much picked that myself.
Yacht
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Can we not do this? Nothing kills my desire to play this game more than coming back to a flurry of activity after being busy and getting scumread for missing out on the action. Can we just be a little bit kinder to each other and give the benefit of doubt that when someone is not posting they might just not be around?
Beluga Whale
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This half of the Beluga Whale would like to say a few things:
1. Rip skiff, we will kill chaos in your stead
2. Duck being a 1 shot means I think there's a decent likelyhood submarine is scum in this half's opinion, but their behavior has been townie-ish so this half doesn't necessarily wanna push there today
3. @Yacht have you claimed your role at all?
1. Rip skiff, we will kill chaos in your stead
2. Duck being a 1 shot means I think there's a decent likelyhood submarine is scum in this half's opinion, but their behavior has been townie-ish so this half doesn't necessarily wanna push there today
3. @Yacht have you claimed your role at all?
Yacht
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Anyway I'm travelling for most of this day phase so I'll try to check in here and there but I won't be able to play as much as I have been. Other yacht could be around more, I have them a heads up I'd be AWOL but idk how much they'll be on.
I'd love to say I have a really clear direction and sense of the game coming out of that day end but I don't, it was a lot of information to attempt to process at once and there was no hope of catching up on all that had happened in a few mins.
IB and anyone else who asked I hammered Skiff because I was more sus of Skiff than Kayak based on the reading I was able to do last phase and saw that was the choice. I could have looked at who was on each wagon and seen that the Kayak wagon looks more town and had a better chance to hit scum but I didn't and my main concern was not letting it tie.
I'd love to say I have a really clear direction and sense of the game coming out of that day end but I don't, it was a lot of information to attempt to process at once and there was no hope of catching up on all that had happened in a few mins.
IB and anyone else who asked I hammered Skiff because I was more sus of Skiff than Kayak based on the reading I was able to do last phase and saw that was the choice. I could have looked at who was on each wagon and seen that the Kayak wagon looks more town and had a better chance to hit scum but I didn't and my main concern was not letting it tie.
Submarine
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Why would duck being 1 shot mean I'm scum exactly?
Yacht
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I don't think we have, we discussed that today should be a mass claim in our chat overnight so any conflict can be resolved prior to endgame. Not sure if it will shock anyone to learn we are Vanilla.
Gondola
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Alright, apologies for any pressure in that regard, I meant to focus on the use of the vote but I'll be more careful about that.
Beluga Whale
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I see.
How is it hindsight? We only ommitted the name N2 from our message to Submarine because we realized it would be useful if there was redirection. Did you think Cruise was going to survive the night?
It was unfortunate for a lot of reasons. It looks bad because Skiff flipped town, but if they flipped scum then it wouldn't be an issue. It's hypocritical of me to scum read people for going there but I do feel worse about the train. As for Kayak, I'm thinking after that Gondola reveal that it's 50/50 for me. If we believe it then Kayak didn't move N1 and Yacht didn't move N3.
Town has a doctor and 1-shot cop. Do we think scum has a goon and what? Godfather? With a 1 shot cop it's unlikely. They're both not moving? Maybe there's a ninja since there's a motion detector. If there's a ninja then I would start looking at the vanillas.
Lifeboat
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I think maybe scum has a killing joat. strongman, ninja. And then some other role.
Beluga Whale
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I just mean to say that it further increases the likelihood that a Superstar role could be on the scum team
I think a kayak or yacht flip today will reveal more one way or the other
Inflatable Boat
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With Skiff as Town where are you at now with Yacht? They joined you on the Skiff vote there.
Thanks for this. What do you two make of Yacht and Kayak not having movement?
No worries, Yacht. Safe travels.
Question for you though. What made you go for Skiff there on your reread? What jumped out? I know you mentioned here that you didnt see who was on each vote but you did follow your scumread Gondola on to Skiff - so what do you make of that?
It's hindsight as in you never said HB was going to die, unlike your certainty with Cruise Ship. Scum would know HB wasn't going to die because it was a fakeclaim. That's what I meant.
Your next reply doesn't really fully answer my question. 'hypocritical of me to scum read people going there' but unless you think that entire train is Town there HAS to be scum there. So, in your opinion, who is it? Bringing up 'if Skiff had flipped differently' isn't a defense.
Inflatable Boat
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Break it down for me, Beluga. What does Kayak/Yacht say about Sub.
Submarine
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I still don't get why it would increase the likelihood.
My role not confirming alignment and the cop only being one shot makes sense in not not confirming two many town with such a small game. Your role would be the only other town power besides mine that can be confirmed.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Since it's extremely unlikely we have only 1 Scum boat left that means we have 2 boats (4 baddies) still running around here. Looking at this for only 1 boat is going to get us not very far.
I want folks 2 Top Scum Reads. Reasons with them would be nice but we can just start with names.
I want folks 2 Top Scum Reads. Reasons with them would be nice but we can just start with names.
Yacht
Costume
It's okay, we are all here to have fun playing a silly internet game. I think Skiff did a good job of bringing that goofy memey energy so I hope we can have more of that even as things get more intense near end game.
Anyway, going back to the game two other things I noticed from EoD:
You said we had no case here but the reasoning for the vote is just a few posts above:
To expand on this, my PoE near day end was Kayak/Skiff/Gondola/Beluga. Kayak and Skiff were getting a lot of discussion already and when I went back over Beluga they still looked good. So I think it was a good place to push even if I didn't get a lot of engagement with it.
Can you expand on what you mean by performative here? You say no was biting on us but you voted pretty late and didn't really try to start a wagon there - was there a reason?
Beluga Whale
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I'm getting confused. Are you saying that it's hindsight that I said Cruise seemed certain to die and not HB after the fact? You realize I'm saying this post flip right?
If there's scum on the wagon I would say Kayak has the greatest chance.
Submarine
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My top scum is obviously Kayak.
As for the other scum, I'm going to have to do some reevaluating on that, and maybe that's where I'll spend this day phase.
My top town is Lifeboat because there's no way they'd put a GF in a game with one cop shot.
Inflatable is the second strongest town lean I currently have. The work they put into the game is solid and 2 felt the same way.
So that leaves Gondola, Yacht, and Beluga where I'll want to re-eval.
I did reads on Yacht and Beluga yesterday and out of the two it's currently Yacht > Beluga with Beluga getting more of a pass because of their role (tho my paranoia about a scum messenger is strong lol). Even with all that I felt good about Yacht after my ISO, the vote on Skiff being the most off thing about them currently for me.
Gondola depends entirely on if I believe their claim and their reasoning for picking skiff yesterday.
Beluga Whale
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This half of the beluga whale would, ideally, like to see another scum flip today to help narrow down possible options for the last baddie power-wise; I agree with my other half about Kayak being scummy, but after that the waters get a little murky for me, and so some clarity via role flip would help me determine if the Superstar would be scum or not
I think that's a fair argument. My reasoning is that a Superstar is a very strong mechanic, and especially since we know Town has quite a few good roles by this point (infinite doc, 1 shot cop in a game that appears to not have any switchers (nobody has claimed switcher at the very least), motion detector (claimed) ) I would not put it past a given gamerunner to include a role name confirm for the baddy team to help give them a bit of an edge in that regard, depending on when the Superstar claims. It could have drawn a doctor protect or the cop shot, in theory.
Kayak
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Yacht - Following my post from last day phase. The way HB used me as a reason to not vote that way Day 1 or 2 whenever Yacht was a wagon.
Sub - Just doing a death tunnel on this slot and nothing else.
I havent really looked at Bel/Gon. I know Gon had a townie reads list to me, but the motion detector claim is sketchy and safe for a scum claim. We had already claimed vanilla and we know Ducky visited LBoat N2.
Gondola
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I'm still leaning towards them as scum, the move to Skiff imo feels like something they did because the vote was at a tie and it would have been a worse look than sitting off wagon while the vote was resolved by everyone else.
Maybe I don't really understand this role well but outside of it catching someone in a lie it doesn't really tell me anything. For either it could mean town, it could mean scum but someone else did the kill, it could mean they have a ninja ability, it basically doesn't feel like something I can meaningfully use towards reading the slot over other stuff so I'm not.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
I think hindsight was the wrong word for me to use here lol. Let me explain better and fully instead of dancing around it.
There's a part of me that doesn't think you were trying to use your Mail power to test if there was a Scum Switcher and were instead selecting targets that were likely to live longer and give you confirmation on your power working. This is why you didn't select HB N1 as you knew they were Scum and therefore giving them Mail wouldn't help your credability once they flipped. What surprises me is you openly saying you didn't even think to give it to them despite mentioning prior to the 'look for switching' claim. If you were Town and testing for a Switch, why wouldn't you go to the claimed Doctor?
Then comes Cruise Ship who counterclaims Doc and get Houseboat killed. Again, you think that night of switchers but don't target the counter-claim Doc. Why? A switcher would more likely be on the Doctor than anyone else. With HB you didn't say 'they were likely to die' but with Cruise Ship you do - that suggest to me you knew HB was lying and wouldn't Die N1 and that Cruise's counterclaim couldn't go unanswered and was thus killed.
tl;dr there's a growing part of me that thinks you are giving mail to build credit to your claim but not your alignment. how you have used the mail ability doesn't line up with trying to sort out PRs - unlike what Gondola is doing.
Yacht
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It was more like rereading HB made Kayak look better, they had some D1 interactions that seemed less teamed like the "Uno reverse comment"
I wouldn't vote someone I town-read more than the opposing wagon just because of a scum-reads vote but with these particular wagons I did feel silly moments after the flip looking at the names on each wagon.
Gondola
Costume
When I say no case, it felt like your question about why am I town came so fast after I said I was open to voting you it was more like you were just jumping somewhere to be, you didn't actually engage me over anything. I wrote a massive list of reads earlier in the day and explained exactly what I thought about your slot by comparison and why I'd consider going there.
By performative, I felt the room was very clearly discussing Kayak as a flip with Skiff as a possibility or maybe some wiggle towards Sub. It was easy just to put your vote on me when I wasn't actually in contention to avoid the wagons.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Got so into it I forgot to comment here lol.
Kayak pointed it out to me (because i forgot oops) but Kayak's vote was a self-pres one. Meaning you could have gone with Kayak there for the votes at Day End but didn't.
This still isn't answering my question. I wanted reasons and names, not dancing around it.
Kayak flips Town - what does that say about Sub?
Yacht flips Town - what does that say about Sub?
And why? Why do these specific role flips help you figure out Sub?
I've been trying to use they/them for the Boats but I messed up earlier. Sorry about that.
Beluga Whale
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I see. I didn't say I was testing for a switch N1, I plainly used Gondola's name in the message and it was only after I had written my second message that I realized it would be better to omit the name of who I was sending it to see if it was redirected. N2 it was again to someone I found towny, and finding redirection would be incidental. That's why I mentioned changing the name, I had already written the message.
I won't deny that I was sending messages to people who I thought would be the core of town and I could trust atm.
Beluga Whale
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Can you explain this? Do you mean I could have switched over to voting for Kayak?
Yacht
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Updated with claims.
The dead:
We have 6 vanilla claims - is that one too many? Two too many? Just right? I think I would expect 5-6 for 13 players but idk if there is a firm rule.
Mafia scum wiki says superstar should indicate if there is more to the role. So if sub was mafia, they would basically be a goon who can confirm they don't have a scum power other than the confirm of the superstar. And same thing for town, basically a confirmed vanilla.
Messenger can be verified and can account for being busy at night.
Ghost can share town confirmed thoughts and maybe verify a messenger from beyond the grave.
Motion detector has 3 claimed roles which move (doc, cop, messenger) in addition to any moving scum. Seems like the chance of a false positive from town are low and the chance of this catching scum in endgame would be a bit high unless mafia have a counter like ninja.
Beluga Whale
Costume
I keep thinking about motion detector, mechanically. It's not strong enough to warrant a ninja when there's motion in me, the doc, the cop and the nk, and if we believe it upfront then Kayak didn't move N1 and Yacht N3. I'm having a hard time believing that scum wouldn't use their PR at night, or that they're all passive/goon like PRs. Scum, maybe, doesn't move N1 for whatever reason, but N3 with at least 1 scum? They're moving unless they're out of PR shots. From this point yacht being scum seems very unlikely.
Lifeboat
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Ok here is where i think we are. I see two worlds.
One it is Kayak and Beluga
The other it is Submarine and Yacht
Galleon is real imo. That seems fine to me. If it is inflatable then I have been got good.
The actual real messed up world is Beluga and Submarine are mafia together. I am more aware of that being a possible situation than kayak and yacht. SO for that means we need to kill one of Beluga or Submarine today.
Like this is the play that wins the game. I am prepared to lead on this.
One it is Kayak and Beluga
The other it is Submarine and Yacht
Galleon is real imo. That seems fine to me. If it is inflatable then I have been got good.
The actual real messed up world is Beluga and Submarine are mafia together. I am more aware of that being a possible situation than kayak and yacht. SO for that means we need to kill one of Beluga or Submarine today.
Like this is the play that wins the game. I am prepared to lead on this.
Submarine
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You mean Gondola? XD
Kayak
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Submarine
Costume
What's your reasoning on Kayak and Yacht not being able to be paired?
Lifeboat
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Lifeboat
Costume
Yes. I do mean gondola.
Submarine
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Yeah i guess that's true considering Kayak's main focus on day 1 was Yacht.
That just makes things weird because I very strongly doubt Beluga and Kayak are paired because Beluga pointed out Kayak's vote on HB being a post about Yacht and later switch to Yacht which to me read as just a bussing attempt before voting town.
Admittedly out of Beluga, Yacht, and Kayak I town read Yacht the most.
Lifeboat
Costume
Why do you think Yacht is towny. Like seriously what have they done to impress you this game?
Submarine
Costume
I said in my iso post on them yesterday that i guess no one read that Yacht was consistently suspicious of HB. Even after the doctor claim, while Yacht did unvote, they still maintained their suspicion even into the next day phase.
When Cruise made the claim they took the time to reassess and decide which of the two was more believable instead of just gunning for HB like they could have easily done. They went for HB in the end and really outside of the late vote on Skiff yesterday, I haven't seen anything suspicious of them besides I guess the vote on Gondola without real explaination.
Basically I felt they were pretty consistent the first two days, and only seemed off yesterday. I also found them less sus than Skiff while also not being all that suspicious of Skiff after my ISO on them lol.
Beluga Whale
Costume
I can see where this is coming from in PoE. Why are Sub and Yacht connected?
It's very likely that there's scum in this group. I just want to put forward that if we go through with this group today, not to chain vote but re-assess. Today is the last 'free' day I would say, since if we misvote, tomorrow is mylo.
Submarine
Costume
I think Gondola is town after my Iso. While the only voted Skiff yesterday, they have been suspicious of Skiff all game and calling out their "lack of content" for most of the game. Kayak meanwhile they were giving more of a pass to because HB was on Kayak's case for most of day 1 even though HB switched to Galleon (which to mean just read like bussing especially since Kayak voted HB as well. Could have easily been a way to make the two look not teamed while planning to go elsewhere and if they didn't one would be town read for voting for the other).
Because of these reasons and their power claim I do not suspect Gondola at all and believe their claim.
It also is believable that they just wanted to make the two trains yesterday Kayak and Skiff so again their vote makes sense for allowing that tie to emerge.
Because of these reasons and their power claim I do not suspect Gondola at all and believe their claim.
It also is believable that they just wanted to make the two trains yesterday Kayak and Skiff so again their vote makes sense for allowing that tie to emerge.
Submarine
Costume
oh Hello o/
Submarine
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Anyways that leaves me today with three main suspects and from there i'll have to reeval based on how flips go.
Those suspects are...
Kayak - My top scum lean. Day one made an argument against Yacht but voted HB because it was interesting and HB scumread Kayak back. Ended up on Yacht while HB ended up on Galleon. To mean looks strongly like w/w bussing. Kayak additionally has pushed the concern that Lifeboat might be a GF and was putting the most doubt on it yesterday after Duck's claim. Finally Kayak keeps pushing or one would say "death tunneling" on me yesterday and today and accusing us of doing that to them.
Beluga - Claimed and proven messenger. Paranoia keeps making me think they are a scum one, but I also do not think they are teamed with Kayak because they called out Kayak's day 1 activity and I don't really see scum doing that to each other.
I do however think that if I'm wrong about Kayak actually (and it really is just a tunnel DX) then I think they are paired with... Yacht.
Beluga had a list of 5 peeps that stood out as suspicious including Yacht and after HB's claim they narrowed down their suspects to Inflatable and Kayak for being sus of HB when Yacht was consistently suspicious of HB as well. They gave Inflate a pass because they were too focused on HB as scum and "scum wouldn't stay on town like this" and voted Kayak for not focusing on HB enough, but when the votes were between Yacht (noted sus of HB player) and Galleon they went Galleon (whose game play was compared to IB as just being more chaotic). They seemed to completely ignore Yacht.
As for Yacht - Out of the three they are the one I have felt the most good about as I explained earlier
So basically---
I think Kayak out of the three has the highest chance of being scum but I'm not sure who they are paired with as I do not think it's Beluga and they have been consistently on Yacht. If they do flip scum I will have to re eval to figure out who they are connected with and honestly we should do that no matter what even if we do get scum today since we are so close to a lost.
If I'm wrong about Kayak which the paranoia part of me still wonders if I am (Mafia fucking sucks because you keep doubting your own gut unless you have a confirmed confirmed case DX) then I think the likely Mafia are Beluga and Yacht.
Kayak is where i wanted to vote when I started, and it's still where I plan on voting, but I also don't want to fuck this up like I did with Galleon, which is why I wanted to talk to day and more importantly while I wanted my partner to look over everything and give me their take on stuff.
2 relied on me to do reads and give feedback because they didn't want to tunnel too hard and make a mistake like we did with Galleon, and now I want my partner to do the same for me.
This is definitely why I'm against a turbo today unless we have a guaranteed reason to vote one way or the other and right now I don't think that's happening LOL. So please let's all talk this through and I think together we can find scum and at the very least my partner can tell me what they think :D
Those suspects are...
Kayak - My top scum lean. Day one made an argument against Yacht but voted HB because it was interesting and HB scumread Kayak back. Ended up on Yacht while HB ended up on Galleon. To mean looks strongly like w/w bussing. Kayak additionally has pushed the concern that Lifeboat might be a GF and was putting the most doubt on it yesterday after Duck's claim. Finally Kayak keeps pushing or one would say "death tunneling" on me yesterday and today and accusing us of doing that to them.
Beluga - Claimed and proven messenger. Paranoia keeps making me think they are a scum one, but I also do not think they are teamed with Kayak because they called out Kayak's day 1 activity and I don't really see scum doing that to each other.
I do however think that if I'm wrong about Kayak actually (and it really is just a tunnel DX) then I think they are paired with... Yacht.
Beluga had a list of 5 peeps that stood out as suspicious including Yacht and after HB's claim they narrowed down their suspects to Inflatable and Kayak for being sus of HB when Yacht was consistently suspicious of HB as well. They gave Inflate a pass because they were too focused on HB as scum and "scum wouldn't stay on town like this" and voted Kayak for not focusing on HB enough, but when the votes were between Yacht (noted sus of HB player) and Galleon they went Galleon (whose game play was compared to IB as just being more chaotic). They seemed to completely ignore Yacht.
As for Yacht - Out of the three they are the one I have felt the most good about as I explained earlier
So basically---
I think Kayak out of the three has the highest chance of being scum but I'm not sure who they are paired with as I do not think it's Beluga and they have been consistently on Yacht. If they do flip scum I will have to re eval to figure out who they are connected with and honestly we should do that no matter what even if we do get scum today since we are so close to a lost.
If I'm wrong about Kayak which the paranoia part of me still wonders if I am (Mafia fucking sucks because you keep doubting your own gut unless you have a confirmed confirmed case DX) then I think the likely Mafia are Beluga and Yacht.
Kayak is where i wanted to vote when I started, and it's still where I plan on voting, but I also don't want to fuck this up like I did with Galleon, which is why I wanted to talk to day and more importantly while I wanted my partner to look over everything and give me their take on stuff.
2 relied on me to do reads and give feedback because they didn't want to tunnel too hard and make a mistake like we did with Galleon, and now I want my partner to do the same for me.
This is definitely why I'm against a turbo today unless we have a guaranteed reason to vote one way or the other and right now I don't think that's happening LOL. So please let's all talk this through and I think together we can find scum and at the very least my partner can tell me what they think :D
Inflatable Boat
Costume
I...I don't know what to do with this. You're so open and forward and nice about all this but the context of your actions just don't seem that Town-aligned.
Stop being so nice.
Honestly? I'm not even sure what I was trying to say there lol.
Let me just ask you this: Kayak's vote was for self-preservation. Is that still the scummiest vote there?
The only thing I can think of is Scum having a Ninja ability to bypass it - but I kinda agree with whoever said it was likely a JOAT for Scum and I doubt they have a full Ninja role. So it would have to be really lucky on Scum's part to use it exactly when they needed to but it's not impossible.
My partner hasn't been on today so we haven't had time to confer but I agree with this grouping.
Beluga's posts today so far have been pretty hesitant to outright name anyone they suspect and I've had to push to get a name from them. Even then, there's a lot of 'hmmm, isn't this sus?' towards Sub (which my partner pointed out they did last Day Phase too) and dancing around my direct questions towards them or just not answering them at all.
Sub I hesitate still. Their voting and D1 really isn't that great and the Superstar does nothing for alignment. If they are Scum then dang they are getting me bad though, I just like 'em.
Weirdly I feel like I should be reversed on this - more sus on Sub than Beluga. I don't think scum is both Mailman and Superstar (since both actions are confirmed) and I almost feel like Town!Mailman would counter Town!Motion Detector to make it tougher to get a clear read. Which leaves me with Sub, whose in-game actions I find Townie on the small, individual post scale but scummy in the big picture.
And then Kayak, who HB voted on Day 1 in their big reads list to maybe try and save themselves. Who Kayak tried to vote and shift to but never stuck to it.
---
Is there ANY world where it's Sub and Kayak?
Submarine
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I can 100% assure you that that world does not exist lol.
Submarine
Costume
I am still catching up and just saw Inflatable's quote and this whole thing reads incredibly bad to me. I understand there was a green check at one point and I am trying to keep that in mind (and I still have a lot of reading to do) but this post is so slimy it just makes me want to jump in the shower.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
I'm finding a problem with Kayak and Beluga I want your take on.
D1 we all know Scum!HB votes Kayak in their big read....but shortly after that, so does Beluga. This pushes up Kayak to 3 with HB (4) and Yacht (3).
I do not know what my partner is doing currently. Their behaviour has not been particularly out of character for them as town, though I know that is harder to get across in costume. I cannot do much about getting nailed to the wall for things I have not said, so I am just going to try to do my own thing.
Submarine is very much projecting big time town now. Large reads lists, many interactions with different players. I will not worry about them unless they are still alive late game, or if their activity suddenly drops off on later days.
Beluga seems town thus far. They are posting reads, asking questions, and following up. Cannot ask for much more on Day 1. Also Beluga Whales are cute.
I like Inflatable Boat’s engagement style thus far. They are asking a lot of questions to different players. Scum can certainly ask a lot of questions too, but I personally find Inflatable’s questions are pertinent and poignant. I would find quotes but I am really running out of time here, sorry.
I liked that Galleon was active early and trying to make connections, no matter how trivial, but I do not love how Galleon has double, triple, and quadruple downed on voting and pushing for me despite the initial vote being seemingly a joke. They have used very strong language that invokes a greater severity than reality, such as “slimy”, and “super scummy”. They have stretched the truth to make their point:
Where did they get that from? Here is the post they were quoting for reference:
At most you can say it was a 50/50 based on the wording. Or, even better, they could have simply asked me. Instead they immediately jumped in and used this as fuel for their argument.
I do think it is scummy to dive deeply into a tunnel on Day 1, when little is known. It is easy to focus most of your attention on one player, with some asides about others, and look as though you are busy.
Additionally, this is such a weird post. They had 1 vote on them as of this time, why are they worried about getting voted out?
I do think Galleon is scummy and I am willing to vote for them.
I am still not liking Kayak despite the increased volume in their posts.
I do not like this boohoo this is so hard woe is me post:
Yes, it is hard for all of us. We have not done a game like this in this community before. This feels an excuse for other behaviour, perhaps to come, that they can lean on later.
Their vote on me felt opportunistic as my wagon was just taking off, even though this post:
Seems to be leaning more towards a vote towards Yacht than myself, but then votes me anyway. Also says Yacht is more interesting and also voting me is more interesting in the same post, so which was it? I appreciate they later changed their vote to Yacht, but only after being called out by Lifeboat in #372.
I do not like this interaction with Gondola. Why are they being antagonistic towards someone trying to get town to work together? You can say that Gondola is saying nice platitudes that anyone regardless of alignment could say, but why attack them for it? And then act dismissive about it later in response?
This reads to me as a very “twitter waffles” type reaction.
Gondola’s post did not mention ignoring scum, but rather finding town. Yet ignoring scum is what Kayak got out of it.
I feel Kayak is scummy. I would also vote there.
Jet Ski has been mostly pleasant and around just often enough to be seen, but I have not seen a particularly town mindset from them thus far. They have been floating along and not making waves. I would say NAI so far but will keep an eye on there for later.
People do have to work, you know. I thought we were trying not to do this as a community anymore.
I believe Gondola has been mostly townie. They have been friendly and positive, asking questions and making reads. Obviously I do not like their vote, but it has more thought behind it than Galleon or Kayak’s votes for myself. I believe I may know who is behind one half of the Gondola, and if I am correct I do not really want to vote them Day 1 purely on principle. Unless of course they are making a total fool of themselves, which they are currently not.
Anybody who I have not mentioned here or previously is NAI to me.
I will vote Kayak now, as I can see at a stretch how Galleon could possibly still be overconfident, deeply tunneled town, whereas with Kayak I cannot find anything particularly town about them. Obviously I am not in a great position here so I am more than willing to self-pres and change my vote. I will not vote for my town reads.
Vote: Kayak
I would still like to ISO Yacht and Cruise Ship because I remember a few points about them in my head but it is not clear enough. However, I am running out of time here. I vaguely liked Cruise Ship and found Yacht to just be around.
Knowing HB was the Goon, why would Scum!Beluga and HB gang up on (pressumably not Goon) Scum!Kayak? When, at that point, Yacht is right there? It doesn't make any sense to do that and risk yet another Scum player.
Not to mention on the same Day phase we have Beluga voting right after HB on Galleon.
If anything this would point more towards a Beluga & Yacht club.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Sub, I love you, but you can't answer that question lol.
Submarine
Costume
I can try out of protest of the suggestion! >:(
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Submarine
Costume
If anything this sounds like it gives further credence to the post I made today and how since yesteday I strongly have believed that Beluga and Kayak aren't scum together.
Beluga called out Kayak voting Houseboat while making an argument against Yacht and how they switched to Yacht. I feel like scum wouldn't do that to their partner, and as you have brought up...
SCUM!HB and SCUM!Beluga wouldn't both vote SCUM!Kayak when the vote with Yacht was close.
So really your argument gives a lot more credence to my theory that either...
KAYAK IS SCUM
or
BELUGA and YACHT are scum!
as seen below.
My post for reference.
Beluga Whale
Costume
If you want to justify it, with Kayak going for self-preservation the worst vote there would be Yacht. So I could say that's the answer, but I've already mentioned today that I don't believe Yacht is scum with the information we have.
You have to remember that you're talking to two people. I can answer some of your questions but I don't want to misrepresent my partner in others. And I have been hesitant today; I came into today thinking Kayak->Sub was a sure thing from PoE but the claim from Gondola is making me hesitate. I sent as much in our message last night. In my mind it still comes down to them but I'm less sure on Kayak being scum now. So I'm mainly going to let my partner prevail here because I'm lost other than who I don't want to vote today.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
If you believe it's Kayak & Sub then what do you make of yesterday between the two? They voted for eachother there.
Beluga Whale
Costume
It's not and, it's or. I don't want to chain vote at this stage.
Inflatable Boat
Costume
Ah, gotcha. I took that '->' to be and. My bad.
Beluga Whale
Costume
Gondola
Costume
I don't want to lock myself into a tunnel by providing 2 names then getting stuck there particularly if the flip doesn't go well today but to give a firm answer, I'm thinking Yacht as my top right now and I've been taking Sub's slot a lot more seriously as a consideration today. Yacht i can reiterate but I'm basically firm on where I've been at with that slot, I think the iso on houseboat looks like they want to keep the slot open but not actually get to it, and how they've tried to use their vote at EoDs to sit off wagon has left me cold. With Sub it's really PoE now and looking for the gaps in people that have played a towny game, at least one of my town reads has to be off; Lifeboat has the green check, Inflatable I think is still the most consistently towny player and Kayak I think comes off unteamed on houseboat's ISO. That leaves Beluga and Sub, and Sub's pushes on D1 did scum more favours when they were gaining alot of heat. They couldn't see the houseboat stuff and wanted one of HB's larger detractors in Galleon. Day 2 is hard to read without much play and then the counterclaim, and then D3 is largely a big push on Kayak. Imo Kayak comes off unlikely to be teamed on a houseboat ISO which makes me wary about the sustained push on that slot as well.
And no I don't think it's very likely Kayak and Sub are teamed looking back at EoD lol if it was some mega bus strat then I'll just laugh but I can't see a reason for it and it reads legitimately testy.
Kayak
Costume
This is one of those moments where I just laugh. It’s like the answer is staring you in the face but you can’t see it. “I can’t figure out who would be partnered with a scum!Kayak almost as if they aren’t scum and don’t have a partner… nahhhhh”. I could go pull up posts from the other phase of your boat talking about definitely re-evaluating the game after each flip or how you specifically originally wanted us flipped because it would “push the game forward” more than other options, yet here we are with a statement that basically admits you have no idea what info you’d even be left with if we’re voted out. What are we even doing here lol
Submarine
Costume
I am still reading and catching up (just started on D3) but if one of Kayak is who I think they might be I don't think the bolded is going to be much of an indication at all. So far for me through reading D2 I am personally fairly neutral on Kayak's alignment, they haven't screamed town to me but also don't feel overly scummy (which again given my guess for one of the pair is not surprising). The one thing that stick out to me is the D1 vote on Yacht. For me so far Inflatable is the one I am most confident is town (you would be second) and so I'm looking at those and thinking that it would be weird if scum was not on the main counterwagon. It's not impossible they weren't, we have seen it happen before, but it would be unusual if that wagon was completely clean.
Gondola
Costume
@Beluga Whale
At EOD yesterday when things were tied you pinged Yacht. Did you consider moving your vote to break the tie instead?
What made you feel comfortable leaving it to them?
Yacht
Costume
Seeing this makes it clear to me.
Vote: Gondola
If Gondola flips scum then Beluga can't be the scum messenger. 2 birds 1 stone.
Beluga Whale
Costume
No, I didn't consider moving my vote since I thought Skiff could be scum. I was okay with either Skiff or Kayak and pinged Yacht because they were the only one off wagon. Comfortability didn't really come into play as I didn't mind which one they chose.
Beluga Whale
Costume
Oh. Can you explain this to me?
Submarine
Costume
Wait.....what?!?
Yacht
Costume
The other 2 choices aren't good imo, I think Gondola is scum since yesterday. The scum messenger obviously won't send a message to another scum, when Gondola flips scum we clear you.
Beluga Whale
Costume
If Gondola is scum then why do you think they mentioned you not moving last night? Wouldn't that be risky if you did move?
I need to re-read the timing of claims because I remember them claiming beforehand.
Yacht
Costume
There's 0 risk involved, everyone has flipped with 1 or 2 shots, if we had something we would've used up our shots. Gondola played it safe.
Beluga Whale
Costume
Yeah, Yacht claimed vanilla after Gondola claimed motion detector.
Submarine
Costume
Unless you are scum and they saw you moving.
Beluga Whale
Costume
I'm unlimited, as is the doctor so the risk would still be there. Only the cop is limited.
So what do you think about Gondola's claimed actions then? No movement on Kayak on D1 is pretty definitive, and there's plenty of risk there unless Gondola/Kayan are teamed.
Kayak
Costume
Bel seems to have 3 shots
Beluga Whale
Costume
What...scum Gondola motion detected scum Yacht and said they saw nothing?
Yacht
Costume
I was thinking that Gondola and Kayak are the final 2.
It does, we were a ? likely to not be another infinite shot, more than likely to be vanilla since everything is covered protection and investigation wise, aside from random roles like fruit vendor that might've existed. Come on is it really that hard to believe that in a game where they need us to get 2 wrong they'll make something like this up?
Submarine
Costume
Yacht said Gondola played it safe but it's not playing safe if Gondola thought Yacht was potentially scum and tried to see if Yacht moved.
Yacht
Costume
That would imply Gondola is town, when they know they are scum then that's when the playing safe part comes in.
Beluga Whale
Costume
Is there a reason you want Gondola first? If Gondola flips town does that invalidate your Kayak read?
Played it safe as scum they meant. The logical chain went to there. Town Gondola motion detecting Yacht is perfectly fine.
Yacht
Costume
If Gondola flips town then it's probably you and Kayak. With you being a scum messenger of some kind.
Beluga Whale
Costume
So...so why wouldn't you vote for Kayak if every variation you think has them as scum?
Beluga Whale
Costume
Yacht, my ship, Lifeboat was greenchecked by Duck, a 1-shot cop. Their ghost claim doesn't really matter in that case.
Yacht
Costume
Scratch that then, I really need to get my shit together, I've been off this game, way off. Still I think Gondola is not a bad pick, would you agree or disagree?