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I'll put my vote down here and will try to finish work so I'll be here at EoD.
Vote: Inflatable Boat
Oh cool, we're at the open wolf stage.
I'll put my vote down here and will try to finish work so I'll be here at EoD.
Vote: Inflatable Boat
No need for that. I already said I didn't mind being voted out today.Oh cool, we're at the open wolf stage.
What was all that then? I thought you were going to vote Kayak?And I would need to assess that after the flip or at least not chain vote. If we get scum we would get +1 day until mylo so we can be wrong in that case. If Kayak is town then we would need to switch up how we're going about scumhunting as there would be a deepwolf.
I would prefer Kayak, but I realized that in the chance the final 2 are Sub and Inflatable then we're boned. If Kayak flips town then scum must already be setting up a chain and Sub has been doing that with Kayak+me. If Kayak flips scum then Inflatable has already been sowing seeds for me+Kayak. Scum will likely target Lifeboat tonight, or Gondola if they're afraid of being seen moving.What was all that then? I thought you were going to vote Kayak?
I would prefer Kayak, but I realized that in the chance the final 2 are Sub and Inflatable then we're boned. If Kayak flips town then scum must already be setting up a chain and Sub has been doing that with Kayak+me. If Kayak flips scum then Inflatable has already been sowing seeds for me+Kayak. Scum will likely target Lifeboat tonight, or Gondola if they're afraid of being seen moving.
Realistically, I feel the best chance for town is to vote me out today and then add Sub and Inflatable to the PoE tomorrow since my flip leaves them less wiggle room.
I'm sorry but I don't understand the logic behind this. You prefer Kayak but some people are sowing seeds therefore you must vote Inflatable because if it's Inflatable and Sub we're screwed? I think it's very fair for players to theorize who the final 2 scum might be, there's no sowing seeds being done here.I would prefer Kayak, but I realized that in the chance the final 2 are Sub and Inflatable then we're boned. If Kayak flips town then scum must already be setting up a chain and Sub has been doing that with Kayak+me. If Kayak flips scum then Inflatable has already been sowing seeds for me+Kayak. Scum will likely target Lifeboat tonight, or Gondola if they're afraid of being seen moving.
Realistically, I feel the best chance for town is to vote me out today and then add Sub and Inflatable to the PoE tomorrow since my flip leaves them less wiggle room.
"If Kayak flips scum then Inflatable has already been sowing seeds for me+Kayak." Huh?
When you have a moment can you explain why Beluga/Kayak isn't a possible team? We noticed something about that pair and I'm curious for your take on it.
It means what I said. They're saying if Kayak flips scum then they'd want to chain to me.Here’s my Beluga reread that my partner and I agree on. And yes, this is the condensed version of the mess.
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Day 1 Beluga stayed out of the Houseboat/Galleon/Duck arguments and only semi-involved themselves when asked directly. Even then the reads weren’t strong (NAI on Houseboat & Scumish on Sub) and changed shortly after.
They have 2 early reads list that are important for a few things:
Sub becomes a Townread
Dislikes Kayak’s HB vote and how the following Yacht vote was attached to Jet Ski’s vote
Houseboat is a slight scum read BUT the read ties Sub to them, suggesting Sub is a better vote first
Yacht is ‘hard to read’
NO reads on Galleon or Duck despite being central to Houseboat.
Beluga/Kayak get into a small ‘fight’ early on about how many Kayak(s) are responding so far - which Kayak gets defensive about while Beluga explains. At first I agreed with my partner this meant they were teamed - but later Beluga actions make me doubt that. Know that Beluga NEVER uses this or brings it up against/for Kayak.
HB’s Doc claim gets them to move their vote to Kayak. Despite never openly suggesting to vote out HB they always seem to qualify HB’s read in an odd, ‘this wont last’ sort of way. Almost like they knew it wouldn’t last/didn’t trust it. See:
Eventually they drop Kayak and go for Galleon. Note they never gave a read on Galleon up to this point. Again, I point out that their reason for town reading us and scum reading Galleon are the same.
Doesn’t seem to consider Yacht an option either despite them being an ‘unknown/hard to read’.
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Day 2 Beluga was more active but it was mainly in regards to Cruise’s Counterclaim of Houseboat - a place that Scum can easily pick a side on and go in. Beluga is also notably active here (as they were in the Kayak ‘partners’ argument) which tells me they have the ability to go in depth back-and-forth on topics but chooses not to. The ones they do choose are either easy or not scum hunting related.
Of note is Beluga saying they would have preferred Kayak over Galleon/Us and Yacht goes from an 'unsure/no comment' to 'not scummy'. This is the second Kayak push in 2 Days - and it will be suddenly the last.
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Day 3 Beluga comes in hot but with a noticeable lack of Kayak read/push. I’m paraphrasing here but these are the reads with post numbers (i know, i know, im sorry);
It’s odd that Kayak was Beluga’s big push Day 1 AND Day 2 to suddenly them…not being their vote choice for Day 3? They have a chance to go Kayak in these 2 posts but instead take from all of it….that they shouldn’t go for Sub.
And then end on Skiff - their ??? after being on Kayak for Days.
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Today. My partner put it perfectly that Beluga is ‘slippery’ - they are vague and indecisive in easily defensible ways. I won’t quote everything but take a look at Beluga’s responses to my questions today when asked for groups or what they may do if X or Y flips Town. Lots of indecision, dancing around questions, not answering questions, etc. - they are being slippery and don’t want to be pinned down. I think it’s highly likely Beluga is Scum and knows they don’t have many avenues left to push misvotes and it’s why they didn’t want to theorize - it shows just how cornered they are. See their post where they finally spitballed with me. They end up saying it ‘must be you I guess’ and can’t come up with other working pairs to help solve the game.
Their teammate is more of a question. I’m very happy I did the Yacht reread because I’m firmly in the camp that they are Town. This leaves Sub, Kayak, ….and Gondola.
Sub with Beluga I struggle with because of their claims. I don’t think Scum has both. Possible, but unlikely. Beluga tying Sub to HB seems odd if Beluga is Scum.
Beluga and Gondola I would need to look into but I don’t have the time to today. Beluga has nothing notable with Gondola or against them. Entirely possible for a team.
Beluga and Kayak have problems as previously discussed: the two’s argument on which partner posted Day 1, Beluga & HB’s vote on Kayak (odd for 3 scums), etc. HOWEVER, my partner brought this up and I think it’s worth considering: HB’s big reads list/vote (which we believe was HB’s attempt to save themselves) nails down Kayak as scum but when another option presented itself (Galleon) they jumped ship immediately to it and claimed Kayak’s train to be ‘dead’. My partner believes this more than I do but they think Kayak was possibly a sacrificial Scum player to save HB - it explains Kayak’s odd HB vote, HB going after them and dropping them so fast, etc. If Beluga does flip Scum today I wouldn’t immediately go for Kayak tomorrow however, I’d still want to read over Gondola before making that decision.
We're at +1 to mylo and while I would like to be 100% sure of my Kayak read, I'm not. If they're town then we'll fond ourselves in a bad situation. I would rather err on the side of caution and most aren't thinking of the possibility of a Sub/Inflatable team. My vote out would do that.I'm sorry but I don't understand the logic behind this. You prefer Kayak but some people are sowing seeds therefore you must vote Inflatable because if it's Inflatable and Sub we're screwed? I think it's very fair for players to theorize who the final 2 scum might be, there's no sowing seeds being done here.
How did they throw their teammate under the bus?Why would Inflatable throw his teammate under the bus here? And not push you+whoever really?
They sowed seeds for their teammate + you?How did they throw their teammate under the bus?
How did they throw their teammate under the bus?
If we voted Kayak out and they were scum, yes.They sowed seeds for their teammate + you?
But why?If we voted Kayak out and they were scum, yes.
It's a read on possibility. Sub and Inflatable are also possible, to which it's just FUD."They're saying if Kayak flips scum then they'd want to chain to me."
"If Kayak flips scum then Inflatable has already been sowing seeds for me+Kayak."
You are saying Inflatable is trying to throw their teammate under the bus to chain you. Why would they do that?
The inverse of a situation is also true.But why?
Also, Inflatable is voting for you currently not Kayak.
First of all I didn't lose my mind or anything like that. Second you cannot be saying that voting you out is our best option unless you are not town, it's like saying us moving to mylo is our best bet at winning.Anyway, I'm saying to vote me out today as the best option. I have my reasoning and I doubt they'll magically change minds today as seen by Yacht losing it; I just want people to remember what I said on flip.
First of all I didn't lose my mind or anything like that. Second you cannot be saying that voting you out is our best option unless you are not town, it's like saying us moving to mylo is our best bet at winning.
From my perspective if we move to mylo as we are now we're almost assured to lose, so yes it's our best option.First of all I didn't lose my mind or anything like that. Second you cannot be saying that voting you out is our best option unless you are not town, it's like saying us moving to mylo is our best bet at winning.
It's possible, they were late to vote for HB despite scum reading them.Beluga, do you think Inflatable completely threw HB under the bus that early on D1?
It's possible, they were late to vote for HB despite scum reading them.
Sub, there's no need to psychoanalyze this. From PoE, in my mind it can only be one of you three. I'm offering to be the vote today to get us to a good position. You can shade me if you want but it'll be ineffective as I'm offering what you want with your shade.It's really interesting that you didn't mention Inflatable all day until they made their post against you. Even then you're not putting together an argument, you're doing an OMGUS. You are completely reactive instead of being proactive in building a case, pretty much what a panicked caught scum would do.
I talked with my partner and they won't be around for EoD, and I'm 50/50, since I'm tied with Beluga in votes I'll vote there to avoid not being here and having to vote for self preservation.
Vote: Beluga Whale
Sub Read - the "emotions" from yesterday are NAI at best. Also sub hasnt done anything. All this "openness" and they still want to push this slot.Sub has been very consistent in being open about their thought process. Even little things like the italics to differentiate feel like a town strategy to me. And their read on Kayak, I really feel that is something the believe rather than something they are trying to force. The high strung emotions from end of day yesterday speak to that as well.
So if these two are town, where are scum? IMO they are sitting pretty on the sidelines not doing much. That's why I think the team is Gondola + Beluga. Both have played it very safe with their votes in a way that feels like they are more concerned with looking towny than being towny. They do not have the consistency of IB or sub and they don't have the willingness to get things wrong and throw out theories that Lifeboat showed.
I didnt want to bother with pushing the slot.@Kayak what made you want us more than Sub going in to today? Was there something particular?
What if Gondola is a Scum motion detector?I think Gondola is okay and I'm fine town reading them. After their motion detecting claim, realistically they would be absolutely fucked if Kayak or Yacht had a PR that could move those days. Even if it were 2 shot, that would wreck their credibility.
There are only two situations I can see a scum Gondola doing that and they're both less likely to me than Gondola playing it straight.
Why would a cop mean there is no motion detector?What if Gondola is a Scum motion detector?
One thing I've been wondering for a while: We have a cop; why do we also have a motion detector?
It's a small game. Do we really need two investigative roles? It's possible, but it seems a lot to me, especially if one of them is unlimited.Why would a cop mean there is no motion detector?
Only a one shot cop is not much in the way of investigative roles.It's a small game. Do we really need two investigative roles? It's possible, but it seems a lot to me, especially if one of them is unlimited.
I'm unsure why scum would have a motion detector. But assuming Gondola is scum, their partner would be Yacht, Kayak or an undisclosed player right? They were really going after Yacht yesterday so it would be weird for them to be teamed. A gondola/Kayak team falls apart if Kayak is voted out and isn't vanilla. If scum Gondola actually motion detected Kayak and Yacht and they're town, who's their teammate? It comes back to Inflatable or Sub, to which might be difficult to parse.What if Gondola is a Scum motion detector?
One thing I've been wondering for a while: We have a cop; why do we also have a motion detector?
It's still basically two confirmed alignments. Also the messenger is basically a counter to the motion detector, but once it's in the open the md becomes a straight up mafia killer detector. Maybe I'm just overthinking it.Only a one shot cop is not much in the way of investigative roles.
I don't think we would give Gondola much credit either way. If Beluga flips town (which I don't think is likely) a scum Gondola could also claim movement from a townie to try to setup a miselim.I guess all I'm saying is if we flip Beluga today and they are Town I'd be very skeptical if Gondola comes into the thread tomorrow with a positive motion result.
Right...I don't think we would give Gondola much credit either way. If Beluga flips town (which I don't think is likely) a scum Gondola could also claim movement from a townie to try to setup a miselim.
I 100% believe this. I feel like I’m talking to the void because Kayak seems to be the only one responding to my posts and that’s mostly just to scum read and diss me like saying for example we did nothing all phase.Man, I tried to make it as obvious as I could without coming right out and saying it! Also makes me wonder if people were really reading anything from us the past day or so because I feel like I have a different tone of voice than my partner.
I was going to at day start, but Bear made it clear it’s up to my new partner to reveal if they are a sub in or not lolPretty disappointed in all of you....
...that no one made a "sub" in joke
Wow. Talk about overbearing.I was going to at day start, but Bear made it clear it’s up to my new partner to reveal if they are a sub in or not lol
Lol good oneWow. Talk about overbearing.
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TerribleWow. Talk about overbearing.
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This half of the beluga whale thinks you and your partner are both being genuine in your emotions and words/deeds, at least. <3Why the fuck do I play mafia if I put everything I can tears and all into presenting an argument and be called fake. Why do I play when people are just going to tell me my emotions aren’t real.
Well thanks Beluga!This half of the beluga whale thinks you and your partner are both being genuine in your emotions and words/deeds, at least. <3
Mafia is a game of concealing and revealing emotion and intent through action and words. Your arguments and feelings can be genuine but I don't think Kayak's words were an attack against you personally.Why the fuck do I play mafia if I put everything I can tears and all into presenting an argument and be called fake. Why do I play when people are just going to tell me my emotions aren’t real.
I know. It’s just have had had people call my emotions an act in other mafia games so it’s pretty triggering for me.Mafia is a game of concealing and revealing emotion and intent through action and words. Your arguments and feelings can be genuine but I don't think Kayak's words were an attack against you personally.
Also did not appreciate Kayak implying my emotions are fake and it’s all an act.
not at all.
emotional manipulation is a tactic in mafia and i unfortunately except it as a thing, but I fucking hate it because I am so tired of my genuine and real emotions being invalidated and called fake.
I’ve been trying my best to contain my emotions to my partner chat this game because I want to be civil, but I can’t help but get upset about it.
Why the fuck do I play mafia if I put everything I can tears and all into presenting an argument and be called fake. Why do I play when people are just going to tell me my emotions aren’t real.
Sub Read - the "emotions" from yesterday are NAI at best. Also sub hasnt done anything. All this "openness" and they still want to push this slot.
What happened to Gon and Bel cant be teamed?
How have iBoat and Sub been consistent?
Which of their votes make it look like they were going for town cred?
I didnt want to bother with pushing the slot.
As the other partner I am going to tell you that you need to cool it on this front.
Is you reading too much into things.That :p
You should tell your partner to cool it then, not me. They were the ones that brought all that into the game thread. This is on top of them taking a shot earlier that I ignored.As the other partner I am going to tell you that you need to cool it on this front.
I am telling the correct person. You are the one bringing it up and dismissing what the pair was going through. I will not comment after this and let the mod staff handle it as they see fit but the bullying attempt is not what need in this community.Is you reading too much into things.
You should tell your partner to cool it then, not me. They were the ones that brought all that into the game thread. This is on top of them taking a shot earlier that I ignored.
Hi, as also the other partner I’m going to say you can tell us anything you’d like, but short of a mod enforced violation for, I don’t know, telling another player to fuck off, there’s not much reason for us to be anything but exasperated with the treatment we’ve received at times. I’m sorry that you/your partner haven’t had a super awesome time the whole game. I guess if nothing else we can agree on that!As the other partner I am going to tell you that you need to cool it on this front.
Weird post since HB gave Yacht neutral read earlier, so no one expected HB to go to Yacht. Them staying put makes sense. I was one of their biggest scum reads.Kayak being on Yacht makes me not want to join in there. I am staying put.
Vote: Galleon
Kayak wagon is not taking off. I do not love Yacht but I actively dislike Kayak and Galleon so I prefer them as the vote.
Seems Kayak's train is dead now. Between Galleon and Yacht I'd vote for Galleon. The most I can say about Yacht is that I have no idea where their head is but they do keep poking.
Vote: Galleon
With the other wagon being town, how do you feel about Yacht now?
The votes were very even and could have gone either way. If Inflatable had voted a few seconds earlier Yacht would be dead instead of Galleon. I find it likelier it was T/T than T/S, because I do not see why scum!Yacht would not have self-pressed. Leaving it up to chance would be a very risky scum play that could jeopardize the team. Both players behind the account would need to agree to the risky play, which is an even lower chance.
I am not ruling them out as scum. As I stated previously, I found their Day 1 to be pretty NAI. Scum have skated by on risky plays before. For the time being, I am content to let them try to prove their towniness while I look elsewhere. If they are still NAI or worse by day end, then I think it could be worth looking into voting them to clear up the Day 1 wagons.
i saw you trying to twist and see if you could puzzle piece the world where cruise ship is the list here
you likely realized that was never going to fly
Nah, how come when we're about to vote scum out it's always a doctor or a cop? Am I the only one that thinks it's a fake claim?
Because I think you may be a misvote and I would like to hit scum....I don't understand why that post couldn't have been made tomorrow?
Shrug* rather a misvote now than tomorrow.Because I think you may be a misvote and I would like to hit scum.
Believe me, I’m sure all 5 of us would avoid this if we could.Alright, I'm just coming back from dinner so I'm kind of around. The beluga vote is a better attempt than the kayak vote imo, I still don't think it's the best place we could look today but for where everyone is at, it's better on my PoE. In the most understanding way towards everyone, whatever has been going on above does not make the game super appealing to want to come and play and you all should hit up the gamerunner with any more issues.
Just to reiterate, beyond fuckery, the smartest vote tomorrow is Inflatable.
Stop with the bs. Aint not bullying going on from the boat.I am telling the correct person. You are the one bringing it up and dismissing what the pair was going through. I will not comment after this and let the mod staff handle it as they see fit but the bullying attempt is not what need in this community.
For what it's worth the emotions thing was dismissing anything. Was just me saying they NAI, since that was brought up in a read of your.And for what it’s worth Kayak, I’m sorry my partner told you to fuck off last day phase. That was out of line.
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I want to WIFOM why the green check and the motion detector are still alive at yeetlo.should we insta vote yacht? win fast, lose fast!