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[Pinocchio]

Imagine if Dynamite and Shang were the same person.

Also curious why you thought about introducing a new wagon 2 minutes before EoD? Where is your head currently with Piggy?

I wanted to see if threre would be any takers and Oscar seemed like a good candidate for that.
I think Miss Piggy switching to Dynamite can be attributed to self preservation, which isn't really alignment indicative. I don't really like the vote for Headdy though, it feels too oportunistic after her first wagon's steam seemed to die off.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

Imagine if Dynamite and Shang were the same person.

That's....that's actually plausible?

 

[Kermit the Frog]

No what am I saying, that's just jester

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

Not really liking Miss Piggy throwing some last minute shade at me.

Also these two quotes at day start stood out to me:

Damn I wish I were active yesterday, I totally forgot day ended then. I have a couple of observations
Headdy was obviously town, like there was no posts that were even close to trigger my scum radar. Grogu on the other hand, is either a newbie or scum, because saying there's no benefit in finding the pairs is ridiculous since we are forced to connect the dots to vote out both scum accounts of that player.
Vote: Grogu

Hindsight is alsways 20/20 and projecting that on end of day discussion, especially D1, is really not that good of a look. Especially since there was never a post in defense of Dynamite by Kermit.

Well that was crazy.

Anyway, I kind of expected the masons or lovers angle. You two made it too obvious.

I think I can be much more effective today and Grogu did come out of that day 1 smelling terrible but I do still agree that finding the pairs is pointless until we have one scum hit anyway.

This sounds to me what Scum would have been discussing in their chat before deciding to shoot between Ernie and Bert.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

In fact, Charlie is so for sure town. I guarantee it.
Put an Oscar the grouch seal of approval on Charlie McCarthy.

Guys I think Charlie and Oscar might be town

It makes sense. I mean one of then stinks...and the other is Oscar the Grouch AHAHAHA

At least, I don't think I'll be voting either of them today

 

[Miss Piggy]

I want to know what @Miss Piggy was doing yesterday. Everything you did yesterday read extremely fake.

I'm not going to pretend I had a strong showing yesterday, I definitely underestimated how much time we had and how little the game would move forward.

I sure did and I would have done it again too.

I thought lamb chop was the only sheep here.

-Charlie hasn't said anything to send up red flags, but this post comes from Piggy after having said nothing about Charlie prior:

I didn't like this post from Charlie:

Not feeling great about Miss Piggy. She first backs her vote on Headdy, but when support seems to dwindle she switches to the next best wagon.
Feels a bit too opportunistic for my taste.

As I said before it doesn't make sense to say support was dwindling for what was at the time and remained the leading wagon.
Calling this opportunistic looks pointed and buzzword-y to me rather than being a solid argument.

I don't like the distance Charlie put between himself and his vote:

Also I want to see what Piggy does with it.

I'm definitely not married to voting Dynamite. The vote was more a method to get some reactions, which I think it succeeded in. Piggy and Fozzie kind of attaching themselves to the random vote after it became a viable wagon doesn't sit that well with me though.

For not being married to it he stayed there most of the day. And regarding provoking reactions, it looks like lazy excuse to back a vote you don't really believe in and then blame someone else as the instigator.

That said I do think that Charlie breaking the tie like that at end of day looks Townie.

 

[Miss Piggy]

Piggy abandons the Dynamite vote here. Could be prescient knowing Dynamite will flip town? Or they could have realized that Dynamite was likely vanilla and tried to redirect to bait PR claims.

Or it's the much simpler explanation that I moved my vote to somewhere I thought had a better chance of hitting Scum as town is supposed to do.

@Miss Piggy what made you want to switch to Howdy?

The votes on Dynamite were getting increasingly lazy whereas I was liking Shang who at least had a scrap of a reason to be on the Howdy vote. It might have gone somewhere if Shang didn't have an incentive to flip to Dynamite.

Why did you sit off wagon on Grogu?

 

[Miss Piggy]

Shang could have reasonably used both accounts to push Dynamite right?

 

[Howdy Doody]

Mew I can see, what caught your eye with Triumph?

Maybe you missed the start of my train of thought where Piggy looks worse considering yesterdays votes:

You can disregard the speculation if that is not your cup of tea, the main point I was trying to get across is that Piggy moving off of Dynamite at that moment looks like they were uncomfortable with their vote.
@Miss Piggy what made you want to switch to Howdy?

Ahhh OK. I saw your previous post but it just looked like you were saying that Miss Piggy might be scum because all her voters were town. She did vote for me for a bit there, before self preservation kicked in.

 

[Howdy Doody]

Shang could have reasonably used both accounts to push Dynamite right?

Oooooo. That didn't even occur to me. Who do you think it is? Would it be a neutral account?

 

[Grogu]

Mew I can see, what caught your eye with Triumph?

Maybe you missed the start of my train of thought where Piggy looks worse considering yesterdays votes:

You can disregard the speculation if that is not your cup of tea, the main point I was trying to get across is that Piggy moving off of Dynamite at that moment looks like they were uncomfortable with their vote.
@Miss Piggy what made you want to switch to Howdy?

I think Triumph is providing what I would say is the "bare minimum" to get by as a player; a lot of jokes, but also just enough analysis of the game to not be an easy target, which could be a good scum gambit especially in a game where we don't know anyone's real identities or player behaviors.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This sounds to me what Scum would have been discussing in their chat before deciding to shoot between Ernie and Bert.

I mean, yes, obviously. That’s why I said it. I noticed it and I didn’t have teammates to bounce ideas off of. It’s obvious someone on the scum team would have noticed too.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Shang could have reasonably used both accounts to push Dynamite right?

Extremely likely, if she has two accounts and is trying to make a wincon, seems like a good use of a second account.

 

[Grogu]

Especially if you were to win with one of your characters, it doesn't really matter if the other one gets "outed" as a result, so that makes sense to me

 

[Elmo]

Elmo is struggling to get a grasp on this game. That makes Elmo saaaaaad.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Or it's the much simpler explanation that I moved my vote to somewhere I thought had a better chance of hitting Scum as town is supposed to do.

The votes on Dynamite were getting increasingly lazy whereas I was liking Shang who at least had a scrap of a reason to be on the Howdy vote. It might have gone somewhere if Shang didn't have an incentive to flip to Dynamite.

Why did you sit off wagon on Grogu?

But did you think Dynamites reaction to the votes on them read scummy? You didn't really go after anyone on that wagon yesterday until the last minute throwaway line against Charlie.

I wasn't around for day end so I didn't have a good idea where the final wagons would end up. The dismissiveness of pair solving could be a different of opinion with Grogu but the part where Pinocchio gives them town cred for backing down still reads weird to me.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

@Lamb Chop @Topo Gigio since you didn't put down votes yesterday it would be good to know where your heads are at

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Big surprise one of the players I shaded yesterday came gunning for me early. If you want to call me out for something, go ahead, but if it's about my vote on Headdy then you better call out every other vote there.


Show me a vote that wasn't flimsy on the first day of a costume game.


Just noise. I thought they could be. I voted. I was wrong.

It's not really about your vote by itself. You seemed disinterested in solving much of anything. And I'm not gunning for you by putting down a prod vote. I will agree most votes were flimsy, and it's even more difficult to sift through them knowing Shang was nudging the wagon with at least one account, perhaps two as others have brought up. So instead of untying that knot, my focus is now on those who don't seem to be actively trying to solve. Be wrong all you want. Seeing some work along the way would be great though moving forward.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I'm struggling at the moment so leaving my vote parked for now.

Elmo is struggling to get a grasp on this game. That makes Elmo saaaaaad.

That makes two of us.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

Elmo is struggling to get a grasp on this game. That makes Elmo saaaaaad.

Why? I'm curious.

 

[Lamb Chop]

@Lamb Chop @Topo Gigio since you didn't put down votes yesterday it would be good to know where your heads are at

I'm thinking Mr. Mew is the most likely person to be scum out of everyone on Headdy. Nothing else of interest really arose since then...

 

[Mr. Mew]

It's not really about your vote by itself. You seemed disinterested in solving much of anything.

I disagree and I'll leave it at that.

I'm thinking Mr. Mew is the most likely person to be scum out of everyone on Headdy. Nothing else of interest really arose since then...

I'd like to know why we're so focused on the Headdy votes when we had a neutral manipulating the room.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

I'd like to know why we're so focused on the Headdy votes when we had a neutral manipulating the room.

Manipulating is a strong word, they just nudged to the direction they wanted, you are acting as if you're the poor victim that got manipulated into voting Headdy.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Manipulating is a strong word, they just nudged to the direction they wanted, you are acting as if you're the poor victim that got manipulated into voting Headdy.

It's hard not to when I show up and feel like I've got a case stacked against me already. I recognize it's made me defensive, but that's why.

The vote on Headdy is easy but its D1 and he isn't fighting so I'll take easy.

Vote: Dynamite Headdy

Howdy, partner! I understand why you've decided to vote on me today, but who would be your second choice?

Oscar. Abby gets a side eye for his aloof aww golly posts too. He talks a lot without saying a lot.

I'd like if you fought more for your life. Town needs to go out fighting.

Oscar needs more scrutiny. Puts down the first vote of the game, seemingly a joke vote that she gets heat on because of rng, then fades into the background. That reads like scared scum who wanted to fade back into the shadows.

 

[Elmo]

Why? I'm curious.

Elmo finds the double costume aspect a little tougher to see through. Harder to focus on what each person is saying when each person is possibly saying two very different things.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

Oscar needs more scrutiny. Puts down the first vote of the game, seemingly a joke vote that she gets heat on because of rng, then fades into the background. That reads like scared scum who wanted to fade back into the shadows.

Occam's razor says the literal first vote is hardly indicative of anything.

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

Elmo finds the double costume aspect a little tougher to see through. Harder to focus on what each person is saying when each person is possibly saying two very different things.

I can definitely relate to this.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Occam's razor says the literal first vote is hardly indicative of anything.

A vote that is then never moved, and Oscar hardly makes any appearances after.

 

[Randomless]

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

Mr. Mew (2 votes)
Abby Cadabby - #273
Triumph the Comic Dog - #283

Oscar the Grouch (1 votes)
Topo Gigio - #293

Pinocchio (1 votes)
Kutaro - #275

Miss Piggy (1 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #295

Grogu (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #246

Not voting: Mr. Mew, Jeff Tracy, Miss Piggy, Lamb Chop, Charlie McCarthy, Howdy Doody, Pinocchio, Elmo, Oscar the Grouch, Bert, Grogu

Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 10 Kermit the Frog: 10 Howdy Doody: 9 Jeff Tracy: 8 Triumph the Comic Dog: 7 Bert: 7 Abby Cadabby: 7 Grogu: 6 Mr. Mew: 5 Topo Gigio: 4 Miss Piggy: 3 Lamb Chop: 3 Elmo: 2 Oscar the Grouch: 2 Charlie McCarthy: 2 Kutaro: 1 Pinocchio: 1

Current Countdown:

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Howdy Doody]

A vote that is then never moved, and Oscar hardly makes any appearances after.

I agree. But you know I was going back over D1 and the same thing happens with Fozzie Bear. Follows Miss Piggy's opening vote, and doesn't move off even though I couldn't find why Fozzie scum read Dyna.

So I'm curious, why did you pick Oscar over Fozzie to focus on?

 

[Howdy Doody]

Elmo is struggling to get a grasp on this game. That makes Elmo saaaaaad.

Awwwwww *pats head*

 

[Mr. Mew]

I agree. But you know I was going back over D1 and the same thing happens with Fozzie Bear. Follows Miss Piggy's opening vote, and doesn't move off even though I couldn't find why Fozzie scum read Dyna.

So I'm curious, why did you pick Oscar over Fozzie to focus on?

Fozzie deserves callout too, but Oscar's vote being the earliest that then caught an immediate vote (from you) with no response is what sets them apart.

 

[Grogu]

@Kutaro @Pinocchio Would love to hear more from you two, as well. Any thoughts on either Mr. Mew or Miss Piggy?

 

[Kutaro]

@Kutaro @Pinocchio Would love to hear more from you two, as well. Any thoughts on either Mr. Mew or Miss Piggy?

I've not got much feelings on either. I know piggy has some heat for her day 1 vote movement, or placement or timing. But they haven't pinged my radar yet.

Mr mew I'll have to read the day again to see what people are saying. As of right now he hasn't made any impression on me one way or another.

I'm still mostly Sus on yourself and Pinnochio. Something just feels off with both of you or one of you and I've not seen anything else so far that makes me feel much differently.

Still early days though, certainly not married to my vote right now.

 

[Mr. Mew]

I agree. But you know I was going back over D1 and the same thing happens with Fozzie Bear. Follows Miss Piggy's opening vote, and doesn't move off even though I couldn't find why Fozzie scum read Dyna.

So I'm curious, why did you pick Oscar over Fozzie to focus on?

I think Fozzie/Shang is one and the same after a re-read. The vote is one thing but add in that Fozzie's writing changed between the first and second day. idk about anyone else but D2 Fozzie reads more formal and put together just like Shang.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Vote: Oscar the Grouch

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Let’s all do a PIK!

Protect: Charlie McCarthy
Investigate: Triumph
Kill: Mr Mew (because I don’t like the vote on Dyna yesterday, though the weak voting on me doesn’t help)

In fact

vote: Mr. mew

 

[Grogu]

P: Abby Kadabby
I: Triumph
K: split between oscar and mr. Mew

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

P: Abby Kadabby
I: Triumph
K: split between oscar and mr. Mew

Awww thanks! At least people are thinking of me

 

[Topo Gigio]

@Lamb Chop @Topo Gigio since you didn't put down votes yesterday it would be good to know where your heads are at

I meant to yesterday but weekends are weekends.

trying harder this day phase.

 

[Mr. Mew]

P: Bert
I: Abby
K: Oscar

 

[Bert]

P: Abby Kadabby
I: Triumph
K: split between oscar and mr. Mew

Why wouldn't you protect me, lol

 

[Bert]

I'll probably won't be around as much but I want to vote Piggy today.

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Why wouldn't you protect me, lol

Oh you are right! You are automatically a protect because we know you are town too!

protect: Charlie McCarthy and Bert
Investigate: Triumph
Kill: Mr. Mew

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Protect: Ernie

 

[Abby Cadabby]

In seriousness, of course it's Bert for Protect. I dunno about the other two though. I need to have a hard think tonight.

 

[Topo Gigio]

Protect: Ernie

Very honorable.

not sure what I would do for the I or K,

but the P is definitely Bert.

 

[Grogu]

Why wouldn't you protect me, lol

Because its a given we want to keep the mason alive. I dunno how insightful the P part of PIK is if everyone just says the mason

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Saying only that you would protect the confirmed mason is a cop out

In seriousness, of course it's Bert for Protect. I dunno about the other two though. I need to have a hard think tonight.

Very honorable.

not sure what I would do for the I or K,

but the P is definitely Bert.

For me,
P: Flip a coin between Bert and Kermit
I: Grogu or Mr. Mew
K: Miss Piggy

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Saying only that you would protect the confirmed mason is a cop out



For me,
P: Flip a coin between Bert and Kermit
I: Grogu or Mr. Mew
K: Miss Piggy

That’s fair,
I guess if I could protect two people it would be Abby Cadabby AND bert
Investigate: Grogu (I like your Investigate so I’ll steal one of them)

Not sure who to kill though. Oscar appears to be trying now and not in a “my scum team told me to play more way”.

unvote

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

See I’m really trying ;)

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Blah. That's a good point. Kneejerk reaction to say Bert. After them, it's Charlie for Protect.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

See I’m really trying ;)

Even though you dodged my question earlier...........

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Not sure who to kill though. Oscar appears to be trying now and not in a “my scum team told me to play more way”.

But.. You're Oscar?

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

And Oscar knows who to vote for


vote: Mr. mew

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Even though you dodged my question earlier...........

The why am I so grouchy one? I thought that was day 1 banter.
Or did I miss a legit ?

I’ll just say this, Charlie McCarthy is as town as Bert is

But.. You're Oscar?

Yes I am Oscar,

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Not sure who to kill though. Oscar appears to be trying now and not in a “my scum team told me to play more way”.

unvote

Am I reading this wrong or does look it was intended to come from another account that had been suspicious of Oscar? But I can't think of a reason why a town account would be pushing their pair?

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Am I reading this wrong or does look it was intended to come from another account that had been suspicious of Oscar? But I can't think of a reason why a town account would be pushing their pair?

Jeff Tracy, oscar the grouch likes to talk about herself in the third person sometimes.
Don’t read anything into it

 

[Abby Cadabby]

The why am I so grouchy one? I thought that was day 1 banter.
Or did I miss a legit ?

That one! (But yes. I'm goofin)

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

That one! (But yes. I'm goofin)

I live in a trash can in New York City, so of course I’m a bit grouchy.

Wonderful town though, and honestly my rent is thousands less than all my neighbors.

 

[Grogu]

I live in a trash can in New York City, so of course I’m a bit grouchy.

Wonderful town though, and honestly my rent is thousands less than all my neighbors.

So only $500 a month for the trash can is what I'm hearing

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Jeff Tracy, oscar the grouch likes to talk about herself in the third person sometimes.
Don’t read anything into it

It looks like post #350 is the first time Oscar refers to Oscar, then again a few minutes later in post #355.
Then we have the unvote itself, here is the vote history:

Let’s all do a PIK!

Protect: Charlie McCarthy
Investigate: Triumph
Kill: Mr Mew (because I don’t like the vote on Dyna yesterday, though the weak voting on me doesn’t help)

In fact

vote: Mr. mew

That’s fair,
I guess if I could protect two people it would be Abby Cadabby AND bert
Investigate: Grogu (I like your Investigate so I’ll steal one of them)

Not sure who to kill though. Oscar appears to be trying now and not in a “my scum team told me to play more way”.

unvote

And Oscar knows who to vote for


vote: Mr. mew

Why vote Mr. Mew, just to unvote and vote Mr. Mew again in just a few posts? And give 2 different PIK lists?
This looks like a multiple account fumble to me
Vote: Oscar the Grouch

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

So only $500 a month for the trash can is what I'm hearing

Yep, absolute steal in this economy! Would you believe rent controlled for over 50 years!

@Jeff Tracy believe what you want, but I’m better alive than dead.

 

[Howdy Doody]

It looks like post #350 is the first time Oscar refers to Oscar, then again a few minutes later in post #355.
Then we have the unvote itself, here is the vote history:



Why vote Mr. Mew, just to unvote and vote Mr. Mew again in just a few posts? And give 2 different PIK lists?
This looks like a multiple account fumble to me
Vote: Oscar the Grouch

Yes, but is that alignment indicative? If so, how?

 

[Kutaro]

Have to agree with Howdy here. Ive generally liked Tracy for the most part, but this feels like a weird gotcha that doesn't really make sense. Even if you're right and it's an account mixup how is that proof they are scum?

It'd be more useful to try and work out who the other account was rather than jumping to a reason to vote them. Definitely raised my eyebrow a little there Tracy.

 

[Lamb Chop]

Elmo finds the double costume aspect a little tougher to see through. Harder to focus on what each person is saying when each person is possibly saying two very different things.

I can relate to this, it's all very confusing and hard to keep track.

 

[Lamb Chop]

P: Elmo, because nothing has really made me want to protect someone but they feel genuine in their confusion
I: Howdy
K: Mr. Mew

 

[Lamb Chop]

It looks like post #350 is the first time Oscar refers to Oscar, then again a few minutes later in post #355.
Then we have the unvote itself, here is the vote history:



Why vote Mr. Mew, just to unvote and vote Mr. Mew again in just a few posts? And give 2 different PIK lists?
This looks like a multiple account fumble to me
Vote: Oscar the Grouch

I mean it's interesting but hardly tells us anything, like the others said.

 

[Lamb Chop]

Very honorable.

not sure what I would do for the I or K,

but the P is definitely Bert.

Did you come up with anyone? I find it hard to believe you think nobody is suspicious, like at all.

 

[Topo Gigio]

Did you come up with anyone? I find it hard to believe you think nobody is suspicious, like at all.

K: Mr. mew or Jeff Tracy.
Mr. mew seems to be trying to spin something after having a not so good vote yesterday.

Jeff Tracy has that weird gotcha like you said.

I’d probably investigate Oscar now too.

 

[Topo Gigio]

So I’ll swap my vote

vote: Mr. Mew

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

Protect: Abby Cadabby, to a lesser degree Elmo
Abby has had some solid attempts at solving today and her vote record seems reasonable so far.
I know Elmo hasn't had a huge impact on the game, but his comment about having a hard time following the game felt pretty Townie to me.

Investigate: Miss Piggy, Grogu
I'm going back and forth on Miss Piggy. The vote stuff from D1 makes me lean more towards Scum. I guess her explanation today does make some sense, but I'll need to see some actual solving today.
I don't like how Grogu voted Triumph on D1, where he said it was temporary but then stuck to it for the day even though he mentioned preferring to vote out Howdy over Dynamite. On the other hand he has at least made some attempts at solving today.

Kill: Fozzie Bear, Kermit
Fozzie took the easy vote on D1 and never moved it after that. I'm also not very convinced by their contributions today. They first hone in on Miss Piggy but there hasn't been much content since then.
Kermit hasn't had a huge impact on the game, and his posts today have mostly focused on mechanics. Also his vote on Grogu feels a bit strange when the only argument is that Grogu argued for finding puppet pairs.

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

Maybe it's the pocket talking, but I'm not convinced of the Oscar wagon.

 

[Howdy Doody]

P: Charlie or Oscar. I also feel good about Abby, Elmo. Miss Piggy also reads slightly town to me

I: Mr. Mew, Grogu, Pinnochio

K: Fozzie or Jeff Tracy

 

[Howdy Doody]

Last day. Got to get votes down

VOTE: Jeff Tracy

Could also switch to Fozzie

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Yes, but is that alignment indicative? If so, how?

Have to agree with Howdy here. Ive generally liked Tracy for the most part, but this feels like a weird gotcha that doesn't really make sense. Even if you're right and it's an account mixup how is that proof they are scum?

Obviously I am not just saying they posted from the wrong account therefore scum when that's a mistake any of us could make
It was this line that pinged me -

Not sure who to kill though. Oscar appears to be trying now and not in a “my scum team told me to play more way”.

There are a few ways you could read this
A) It is written in the third person and saying "I'm not sure who to kill, but I am trying and no I'm not scum"
B) It is written from the point of view of another account and saying "Not sure who to kill. I was considering Oscar but their recent effort looks better"
C) It is written from the point of view of another account and saying "Not sure who to kill. On another note, Oscar looks like they could be good"

I don't really buy A as it looks like a very awkward way to phrase it.
B is how I read it first and looks scummy to me, why would the 2nd account have been looking at Oscar as a kill or vote? That would be counter intuitive as town.
C is plausible, I could see why that makes sense to post in context but it wasn't the way I was seeing it last night.

Let me mull it over a bit with the rest of Oscar's play. I got excited for a moment there since I rarely catch actual slips

 

[Howdy Doody]

Huh, that's fair @Jeff Tracy, thanks for the explanation. I think I still read it as a town account protecting another town account, but will have to mull it over

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I thought I'd have more time yesterday but some other stuff came up but I caught up this morning. Mew is actually paying attention to the game, reading people, and actually trying to solve. Could scum be making those connections? Of course. But it very much reads like frustrated town trying to get thoughts out while being frazzled. I'll go so far as to say that other than Bert, they are probably my top town read so that tells you how likely I am to be ok with that vote.

To the points above about me, I am sitting on Piggy and I will still sit on Piggy for a bit. I'll be real and say I don't have a solid case in any way but I didn't really feel the needle move at all on her explanation. I don't think she was Shang and without that explanation, I do think her day 1 was stiff and was someone trying to just seem busy. The only real issue is that she could be busy on her other account and Piggy was the backseat one yesterday but if that were true, I feel like she would have alluded to it which she did not.

Vibe check time: Slight town lean on Abby and Charlie. Slight scum lean on Howdy. Abby and Charlie are mostly because I see genuine solving from both. Howdy has seemed like a manipulator type since yesterday but hasn't done much else to ping me so I'm not chasing that yet.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Unvote

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

I think Triumph is providing what I would say is the "bare minimum" to get by as a player; a lot of jokes, but also just enough analysis of the game to not be an easy target, which could be a good scum gambit especially in a game where we don't know anyone's real identities or player behaviors.

You know what else is a "bare minimum"? The hair on your head you baldie!! AHAHAHAHA

I keed, I keed

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

P: Abby. Kutaro is surprisingly rising in my ranks. Very few posts but the ones he has show he's doing some real prodding and not afraid to go against the grain. I do want to see where his prodding of Pinocchio is going because right now Pinocchio is a big ol null for me

I: Fozzie, Pinocchio, Grogu

K: Mr. Mew

 

[Grogu]

Where is everyone's favorite wooden puppet, anyway?
VOTE: Pinocchio
I don't know if this vote will stay here for the day, but ill be around EOD so will move it if I need. Still mulling over what I think about oscar and mew

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

Ohhh totally forgot Kermit was in this game. I appreciate him being more active this day phase, but his content feels coaster-ish to me. Very surface level commentary, maybe a bit afraid to deeply engage any players? Although he did push Grogu a bit which I think was warranted. Who is your PIK @Kermit the Frog ?

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

I think it's reasonable to assume that Shangs second account isn't Town aligned, because her win condition is definitely anti Town. I also think it's probable that her second account voted for Dynamite to get the win with Shang. If she were on a different wagon at EoD it would have been really easy to break the tie for Dynamite and get the easy win. She would also have had time to do that given she was actively posting in the threa at the time.

Let's have a look at the votes:
Miss Piggy started the day by directly voting for Dynamite, later claiming it was an rng vote. But was it really rng or did she choose the hunter target of her second account? She later moved her vote to Howdy Doody which is a point against her being Shangs second.
Fozzie jumped on that vote pretty quickly and left it there throughout the day. They later also showed to be hesitant about moving their vote even though they admitted that there wasn't really a case.
A similar story happens with Mr Mew. He jumps on the easy Dynamite train and leaves his vote there without much further content.

I'll try to see if I can find some similarities in style between Shang and those players.

Shang could have reasonably used both accounts to push Dynamite right?

Who of the Dynamite votes do you think is the most likely to be Shangs second?

 

[Elmo]

Elmo would protect Abby
Elmo would investigate Mr mew
Elmo would kill.. topo gigio

Elmo likes Abby's contributions
Elmo sees there is lots of speculation and suspicions on Mr mew so investigate (though honestly this could go for several others, fozzie, Howdy, oscar etc)
Elmo doesn't necessarily want to kill Topo gigio but topo gigio was the puppet that Elmo just has not really noticed at all. (Sorry Topo!)

Elmo has no number 1 scum read really at the moment just a lot puppets that Elmo has no idea about, a few puppets Elmo feels better about

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I think it's reasonable to assume that Shangs second account isn't Town aligned, because her win condition is definitely anti Town. I also think it's probable that her second account voted for Dynamite to get the win with Shang. If she were on a different wagon at EoD it would have been really easy to break the tie for Dynamite and get the easy win. She would also have had time to do that given she was actively posting in the threa at the time.

Let's have a look at the votes:
Miss Piggy started the day by directly voting for Dynamite, later claiming it was an rng vote. But was it really rng or did she choose the hunter target of her second account? She later moved her vote to Howdy Doody which is a point against her being Shangs second.
Fozzie jumped on that vote pretty quickly and left it there throughout the day. They later also showed to be hesitant about moving their vote even though they admitted that there wasn't really a case.
A similar story happens with Mr Mew. He jumps on the easy Dynamite train and leaves his vote there without much further content.

I'll try to see if I can find some similarities in style between Shang and those players.


Who of the Dynamite votes do you think is the most likely to be Shangs second?

I have to say, assuming that Shang's second account isn't town is really bad logic.

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

I have to say, assuming that Shang's second account isn't town is really bad logic.

Why is that? Shangs win condition works completely against the win condition of a Town aligned puppet.

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

I could see neutral, but not Town.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Why is that? Shangs win condition works completely against the win condition of a Town aligned puppet.

And? It works completely against a scum aligned puppet too. They could be two neutrals as well but I highly doubt it.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I could see neutral, but not Town.

Sounds like you need some new glasses to me.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Been here for a bit just reading and pondering. Feel like I started the day okay then just fizzled out.

-I like Piggy's responses today, but hoping they slice off a bit more bacon
-Mew reads like a genuinely frustrated town. (could be genuinely frustrated scum too lol). But something in my gut says town.
- Jeff's excitement at thinking they caught a scum slipup seems town, though if they're going to stick with Oscar anywho then I wanna know why. I'd expect they come back to unvote unless something else about Oscar has popped up.
-I completely agree with Mew on their suspicions of Fozzie's connection, but back-and-forth whether I think Fozzie makes sense as town. Even if neutral, does that necessarily make them a threat to us?
-Bert is town
-Feel good about Charlie still
-Oscar I'm strongly against voting today. Maybe tomorrow, but definitely not today.

Unvote

Can I ask why the unvote?

 

[Grogu]

Been here for a bit just reading and pondering. Feel like I started the day okay then just fizzled out.

-I like Piggy's responses today, but hoping they slice off a bit more bacon
-Mew reads like a genuinely frustrated town. (could be genuinely frustrated scum too lol). But something in my gut says town.
- Jeff's excitement at thinking they caught a scum slipup seems town, though if they're going to stick with Oscar anywho then I wanna know why. I'd expect they come back to unvote unless something else about Oscar has popped up.
-I completely agree with Mew on their suspicions of Fozzie's connection, but back-and-forth whether I think Fozzie makes sense as town. Even if neutral, does that necessarily make them a threat to us?
-Bert is town
-Feel good about Charlie still
-Oscar I'm strongly against voting today. Maybe tomorrow, but definitely not today.


Can I ask why the unvote?

Whats your opinion on me, if I may ask?

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Protect: Charlie, Bert
Investigate: Elmo, Triumph, Howdy Doody, or anyone else who listed me for Protect (except Charlie) since I'm an easy pocket.

Spoiler

Or am I?!

Spoiler

I am.....

Kill: hrmmmmmm

 

[Abby Cadabby]

JKASJDFASDF. Had a big ole' response to you, Grogu, and changed pages and lost my draft.

Whats your opinion on me, if I may ask?

Short version since I lost my longer ramble: I feel okay about you right now. Your D1 Howdy thing was a tiny bit sus at first, but I've come to realize today it's whatever. Some people shift easily and it's not alignment indicative to me. At least not in the way you did D1.

Piggy saying to look into Charlie is interesting because they both shared a vote on Dynamite for a decent part of the day

I like this, but wish you'd taken it a bit further and defined interesting for us :)

I think Triumph is providing what I would say is the "bare minimum" to get by as a player; a lot of jokes, but also just enough analysis of the game to not be an easy target, which could be a good scum gambit especially in a game where we don't know anyone's real identities or player behaviors.

I like this too. More of this.

Curious where you are with Pinocchio since your vote is parked there.

 

[Kutaro]

I haven't really had much time to catch up, could someone give me the tldr for mew having 4 votes?

 

[Pinocchio]

@Kutaro @Pinocchio Would love to hear more from you two, as well. Any thoughts on either Mr. Mew or Miss Piggy?

They both had a pretty rough D1 but made some ground today. Miss Piggys wagon was pure on D1 meaning the Scum team could have been avoiding a bus there.

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Losing drafts suck, I've had that happen a few times now.
I looked over Oscar and I like that they started the day with a stronger town read and started the PIK conversation which is leading to more open dialogue we are in desperate need of.
@Oscar the Grouch I was a little curious about your day 1 vote on me, you pointed it out as RNG but I don't think you followed up with any reads or questions for me?

Looking over the options I still think Piggy has a decent chance to be scum from the day 1 wagons
vote: Miss Piggy

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

And? It works completely against a scum aligned puppet too. They could be two neutrals as well but I highly doubt it.

Sounds like you need some new glasses to me.

Gonna be honest, I didn't expect such a forceful response. Maybe there's something to it.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

@Bert Not that I'm one to talk since I'm feeling a bit blind so far with this game, but you should probably do as much as you can while we know you are the purest voice in the room. Your other puppet likely won't be as effective as you.

+1 at @Mr. Mew on why you did that unvote with no follow up. I was expecting a new post but nothing yet.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Gonna be honest, I didn't expect such a forceful response. Maybe there's something to it.

Just a re-evaluation of you, I thought you were doing a better job of reading the thread but you clearly weren't.