Puppet Mafia | Everyone's wearing socks
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Grogu
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Especially today pinocchio has been NAI and talking very little, but I don't currently get super scummy vibes from them. Just wanted to do a little prodding; I think I might go Oscar today. I think between Oscar and Mew, if one of them dies, we might want to investigate the other
Bert
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Mew is playing coy for a while now and no way scum wouldn't notice that. That said I'm not that interested in pursuing mew.
My list in descending order of who I'll vote:
Miss piggy
Fozzie
Kermit
Kutaro
The Muppets have been playing a very erratic game in my mind, Fozzie in particular has been defensive. Kutaro is a weird one, every post they made feels forced to me,cabr shake the feeling.
I feel pinnochio and lamb chop have hidden well since I keep forgetting they are in the game. I think they are worth a look.
I feel Abby and Charlie are town for now.
My list in descending order of who I'll vote:
Miss piggy
Fozzie
Kermit
Kutaro
The Muppets have been playing a very erratic game in my mind, Fozzie in particular has been defensive. Kutaro is a weird one, every post they made feels forced to me,cabr shake the feeling.
I feel pinnochio and lamb chop have hidden well since I keep forgetting they are in the game. I think they are worth a look.
I feel Abby and Charlie are town for now.
Bert
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I'm not worried.
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
Mr. Mew (4 votes)
Abby Cadabby - #273
Triumph the Comic Dog - #283
Oscar the Grouch - #337 #350
Oscar the Grouch - #355
Topo Gigio - #371
Miss Piggy (3 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #295
Jeff Tracy - #397
Bert - #405
Pinocchio (2 votes)
Kutaro - #275
Grogu - #382
Jeff Tracy (1 votes)
Howdy Doody - #375
Grogu (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #246
Oscar the Grouch (0 votes)
Topo Gigio - #293 #371
Mr. Mew - #336 #379
Jeff Tracy - #362 #397
Not voting: Mr. Mew, Miss Piggy, Lamb Chop, Charlie McCarthy, Pinocchio, Elmo
Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 16 Howdy Doody: 15 Abby Cadabby: 15 Jeff Tracy: 14 Grogu: 13 Oscar the Grouch: 12 Bert: 12 Mr. Mew: 11 Triumph the Comic Dog: 10 Kermit the Frog: 10 Topo Gigio: 8 Charlie McCarthy: 8 Lamb Chop: 7 Kutaro: 4 Elmo: 3 Miss Piggy: 3 Pinocchio: 2
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Day Start
Mr. Mew (4 votes)
Abby Cadabby - #273
Triumph the Comic Dog - #283
Oscar the Grouch - #355
Topo Gigio - #371
Miss Piggy (3 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #295
Jeff Tracy - #397
Bert - #405
Pinocchio (2 votes)
Kutaro - #275
Grogu - #382
Jeff Tracy (1 votes)
Howdy Doody - #375
Grogu (1 votes)
Kermit the Frog - #246
Oscar the Grouch (0 votes)
Not voting: Mr. Mew, Miss Piggy, Lamb Chop, Charlie McCarthy, Pinocchio, Elmo
Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 16 Howdy Doody: 15 Abby Cadabby: 15 Jeff Tracy: 14 Grogu: 13 Oscar the Grouch: 12 Bert: 12 Mr. Mew: 11 Triumph the Comic Dog: 10 Kermit the Frog: 10 Topo Gigio: 8 Charlie McCarthy: 8 Lamb Chop: 7 Kutaro: 4 Elmo: 3 Miss Piggy: 3 Pinocchio: 2
Current Countdown:
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Triumph the Comic Dog
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why is this? Shang's target was clearly town so I see her role as being scum aligned
Triumph the Comic Dog
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Blink twice if it's a double account shenanigan
Fozzie Bear
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Shang’s other puppet is never scum. A built in 1 for 1 against a vanilla townie would be the worst role for one of the scum members to have.
To everyone who is just writing me off as defensive, you really aren’t trying.
Howdy Doody
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I've been thinking this, and I think someone else said this as well... You're Shang :P no need to reply
Ah. It was Mr. Mew who speculated that. I think I feel null-to-okay on him
Howdy Doody
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I want to vote Fozzie and see where this goes
VOTE: Fozzie Bear
I still have my eye on Jeff, don't worry
VOTE: Fozzie Bear
I still have my eye on Jeff, don't worry
Miss Piggy
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I do think the other half of Shang is a neutral as well and probably not a town friendly one.
Somewhere between Mew and Fozzie would be a good place to look.
Dynamite didn't do much of anything until near the end it was hard to reach alignment out of it.
Fozzie Bear
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If you actually think that then you are actively choosing to vote for town or a neutral here, I would never be scum in that world you asserted.
Howdy Doody
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I appreciate you fighting the good fight, I just don't think the alternative account for Shang would be town. Because then Shang wouldn't be able to double down on Dyna with her second account (why would a townie knowingly vote for a townie?)
Although hmm. Maybe shang didn't know the alignment of Dyna. Will read over the role again
Miss Piggy
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Fozzie did you act last night?
Bert
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To elaborate in this, imagine as a player you get to play two neutral roles and have different win conditions. So what, you gotta win twice now? I doubt that.
Howdy Doody
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Bag. Shang wouldn't have known Dyna's alignment as written in the role description. I still think it would be odd for the game runner to make one player be scum-aligned and town at the same time.
OK... I think there are only two solutions:
1. One way this resolves is if the second account is neutral, but the target is scum
2. It's a scum account
I can move my vote off if something more compelling comes up
OK... I think there are only two solutions:
1. One way this resolves is if the second account is neutral, but the target is scum
2. It's a scum account
I can move my vote off if something more compelling comes up
Fozzie Bear
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I don’t answer role fishing questions from probable scum.
I mean, no matter how you slice it, only one account won yesterday. Shang’s other puppet obviously has a different win con. I’m just asserting the other win con is likely just the regular town win con.
Lamb Chop
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It's fair some people think I'm suspicious due to me activity, I promise you it's not on purpose. I still think Mew is the person we go for today. It's just one of those days where you just know the person got caught you know? Which reminds me I did forget to vote.
Vote: Mr. Mew
Vote: Mr. Mew
Fozzie Bear
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Mew is so clearly town that it hurts. The train of low effort posters coming in to sheep that vote will continue
Topo Gigio
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It’s ok Elmo! I could use a muppet friend!
Topo Gigio
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How would you say Mr. me is clearly town? What does you gut tell you that it isn’t telling me?
Topo Gigio
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@Fozzie Bear that is supposed to say Mr. Mew, not Mr. me
Kutaro
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What's Jeff done? Just the leap about alignments?
Oscar the Grouch
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Yeah it really was RNG, numbered all the puppets 1-20 and your name matched the number rolled.
I meant to transfer off at the end but the end of day surprised me and I missed it
Fozzie Bear
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For a day 2, this vote activity is enough to be called a dogpile imo which tells me scum is taking the easy vote. On its own, its hard to say if that is scum trying to get an easy mis-vote or trying to bus but Mew randomly unvoting as the only wagon contender on the basis of "something I saw" tells me this is a town player who legitimately thinks they saw some secret crumb and doesn't want to share it so scum don't find it.
Even before all of that though, Mew has read to me like confused and not sure how to navigate this thread and, again, I'll double speak myself and point out that it could all be an act but I doubt it.
Topo Gigio
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You know that makes sense! I’m not sure who I like more than Mr. mew though (in case it IS a scum bus) but thank you for walking me through your thought process
Miss Piggy
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I don't know how much this helps things but I figure I'll just come out with it. I'm a Poison Mirror, if someone tries to attack me with poison it bounces back to them. I tried looking on the wiki to see if poison is more likely a Scum or Neutral thing but I couldn't be sure.
Fozzie insisting that Shang's other half, which as others have said could very well be Fozzie is nothing to worry about is making me nervous here. The only thing I'm not sure about is if a neutral poisoner would be worth flipping today or if we can shelf it and hunt scum.
Fozzie insisting that Shang's other half, which as others have said could very well be Fozzie is nothing to worry about is making me nervous here. The only thing I'm not sure about is if a neutral poisoner would be worth flipping today or if we can shelf it and hunt scum.
Fozzie Bear
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I like how Miss Piggy openly tried to figure out if I was a PR or not and no one even batted an eye
Fozzie Bear
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The timing is impeccable. Regardless, in what world do you think this is a good time to claim this?
VOTE: Charlie McCarthy
Miss Piggy is a useless vote now. We can come back to her later if there is no sign of poison by mid-late game.
I'm aware of what I said about Charlie earlier. He heavily changed my mind with all the peacocking he did pretending to work through the Shang thig.
Triumph the Comic Dog
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I guess I don't see Mr Mew being overtly town. Went through his posts again, he heavily tunnels Oscar throughout, which is an easy stance for scum to take especially with a player like oscar who has had middling focus. Lightly shades Abby but doesn't do much with it. Says Fozzie bears investigation but doesn't do anything with that either. I might buy that they are a PR, but the Oscar tunnel has been present since D1.
That said, I could do a last minute for Miss Piggy out of the contenders. Some people believe pigs are as intelligent as dogs, but they've never met Miss Piggy AHAHAHAHA
I keed, I keed
That said, I could do a last minute for Miss Piggy out of the contenders. Some people believe pigs are as intelligent as dogs, but they've never met Miss Piggy AHAHAHAHA
I keed, I keed
Triumph the Comic Dog
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Ok I missed Miss Pigg's claim lol
Triumph the Comic Dog
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Honestly, I prefer an early claim than 10 minutes before the deadline
Fozzie Bear
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Try as I might, I highly doubt Miss Piggy was going to be a real contender. It was either going to be a sleepwalk onto Mr. Mew or everyone turning on me for no reason. She had no reason to claim and even at death's doorstep, a defensive role like that should probably stay unclaimed on the she lives and it can still get used.
Triumph the Comic Dog
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Well from her perspective she has 3 votes with maybe more coming, where you only have 1
Lamb Chop
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I don't like the fact that this is after my vote, since my first post on D2 I've said Mew is looking bad. Where else did you think I'd vote?
Miss Piggy
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Fozzie is looking increasingly calculated to me here, that Charlie vote doesn't look like their genuine best thoughts on hitting Scum.
Vote: Fozzie Bear
Vote: Fozzie Bear
Fozzie Bear
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How is it not? They made a claim that is a timebomb, if we go another day or 2 with no sign of poisoning, they need to be voted out anyway. If poisoning does show up, they are (probably) telling the truth unless this is a ballsy fake claim by the poisoner themselves.
Fozzie Bear
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Also, I am trying really hard to defend Mew, duh. I've outright said that a few times now. I find it to be a waste of our time and resources. You can feel free, if Mew is scum then feast on me for being wrong but when they likely flip town, I'll make sure to have my "told you so's" ready.
Take two seconds to actually analyze my play from day 1 to day 2 and tell me why I do any of that if I were neutral or scum. If you can actually come up with a good reason then great but nothing you say will make much sense because I am exactly what I've been saying all day and the sooner you realize that, the less chance you have of a mis-vote.
Take two seconds to actually analyze my play from day 1 to day 2 and tell me why I do any of that if I were neutral or scum. If you can actually come up with a good reason then great but nothing you say will make much sense because I am exactly what I've been saying all day and the sooner you realize that, the less chance you have of a mis-vote.
Bert
Costume
This is not that big of a game to let a poison mirror claim go unchecked, specially in a game where a neutral already flipped, what are the odds we have to worry about poison too? That's two kills a night, this game would be over so fast.
Of course I think the claim is bullshit but you jumping at the opportunity to avoid voting Piggy is interesting too.
Bert
Costume
Your defense on mew is even more interesting because mew is a viable train and if you are scum then you already know mew will flip town and then you can just use that for townie points. I don't see how you can be confused about the game and then so sure about how mew is town.
Fozzie Bear
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I brought Miss Piggy up and voted for her before you did today. What is interesting about me backing down on the claim?
Also, I'm not sure why you even write off the claim immediately, a poisoner in this game is going to be an x-shot, so it's not two kills a night every night. The one neutral we had had 0 interaction with removing anyone else from the game early except for themselves so a second source of very limited killing would not be out of the ordinary for this size of game. With the neutral winning, we would be looking at the game going 9 days if both teams stay close and we just have the 1 death per day and per night which is high. It's not a crazy claim at all even if I do err on the side of not believing it.
Mr. Mew
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Here is my problem with this vote and any others like it. What we have here is an echo chamber of players saying nothing of substance about me while talking as if I got caught because what, I voted for Headdy and said it was the easy vote? In a game where players didn't hit post counts. Where players have said they're struggling. Where others made the same vote but didn't use the word "easy"? Is that how I got caught? Saying the same thing as others, doing the same thing as others, just not the proper way as described in Town 101. Nah. This vote is weak as hell.
Fozzie Bear
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Scum really chose the wrong mason to kill, kudos to them. You've been a broken record since yesterday chasing the worst leads. You can feel free to guide town to wrong votes, I'll be back later. I've already made my stances known so if I die at least the record is here even though it's doubtful anyone comes back to ready my thoughts.
Mr. Mew
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I hate Fozzie had to say what should've been apparent.
Kutaro
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What do you think of fozzie outside of this?
Howdy Doody
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This is easy, Miss Piggy's claim is likely false because nobody has come forward to claim they've been poisoned.
Even if it was x-shot I think a poisoner would want to use their powers asap
VOTE: Miss Piggy
I still don't like Fozzie or Jeff. Could come around on a quiet player like Kermit or Pinnochio
Even if it was x-shot I think a poisoner would want to use their powers asap
VOTE: Miss Piggy
I still don't like Fozzie or Jeff. Could come around on a quiet player like Kermit or Pinnochio
Bert
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You seem awfully confident on your choices and that rubs me the wrong way. As I see it your early vote on Piggy is meaningless if you don't commit to it. You just don't like my leads because they point to you.
Howdy Doody
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Every time someone defends someone in this game I'm like "that's just you right". This game is hilarious
The "gotcha" felt like scum jumping on a townie mistake. But even before that I just scummy vibes from his post (eg post 276)
But thinking about it more, I'd honestly rather vote Kermit than Jeff today. Fozzie would work too
Mr. Mew
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No changing my mind they aren't Shang. This game setup is abnormal, but I assumed they'd be neutral like their alternate. Am I gonna go after a neutral one who is defending me? Didn't plan on it. I'm left with Lamp Chop whose shown no sign of solving anything because that vote was, and you can quote me on this, easy.
Charlie McCarthy
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Are people usually informed when they are poisoned though?
Triumph the Comic Dog
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I think so. Would be more bastard than usual if not.
Triumph the Comic Dog
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Well poison kills are typically delayed by a day phase. So they would die tonight
Howdy Doody
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Ah that's a good point. Not sure.
Charlie McCarthy
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Realistically we won't know if there's a poisonor until next day phase, when we know if there are multiple deaths or not.
Abby Cadabby
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OK, brains. Is a poisoner neutral or scum normally? Either way, they need to die, but just curious.
Why reveal this now? Would like to get into that piggy brain.
Grogu
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The way I see it, I think effects that will kill you guaranteed no doubt about it, like poison, are communicated to players most if not all of the time, while effects that *can* but wont always kill you like an arsonist sprinkling you with gasoline isn't communicated. Obviously im not the gamerunner so i cant be 100% sure but thats whats its been like in the games ive played
Charlie McCarthy
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According to the Mafiascum wiki poison can be either silent or communicated, so I wouldn't rely too heavily on it being announced in this game.
Bert
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Usually neutral but it can be made a x shot for a scum team. Its not that unusual.
Flavor wise I expect miss piggy to kill by poison, actually.
Triumph the Comic Dog
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But you know who else is a bastard around here... *insert your favorite scum read* AHAHAHAH
Grogu
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This is very true, and i just thought of something that ill elaborate on in about 20 mins
Charlie McCarthy
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I think usually they are Scum with a special night kill.
Could also be neutral that functions similar to a serial killer.
Fozzie Bear
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Poison does not need to be conveyed to the person who got poisoned. It's gamerunner discretion and neither choice would make the game more or less bastard. Absence of information isn't the same as lying to the player. Poison also isn't always necessarily death, it could be a permanent roleblock or some other negative effect but it's best to just assume it's death since that is usually the case. A poisoner could be a neutral or a scum player, the people saying they are out searching to see what is more likely won't find anything, it could be either/or.
I mean, you are in full "bitch eating crackers" mode with me so anything I say is new evidence for you to pull. If I'm sure on a read, it's bad. If I have blank spots in how I feel about the roster, it's bad. If I forget who said what, it's bad. I was kind of hoping that I could point at the people being overly obtuse and just say they are scum faking bad reads, but you are the worst of the bunch, and you are confirmed town so at least thank you for that in showing me it's not a fool proof method (even if I do still believe Charlie is doing this as a bad actor).
I mean, you are in full "bitch eating crackers" mode with me so anything I say is new evidence for you to pull. If I'm sure on a read, it's bad. If I have blank spots in how I feel about the roster, it's bad. If I forget who said what, it's bad. I was kind of hoping that I could point at the people being overly obtuse and just say they are scum faking bad reads, but you are the worst of the bunch, and you are confirmed town so at least thank you for that in showing me it's not a fool proof method (even if I do still believe Charlie is doing this as a bad actor).
Bert
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I love that comic to be honest.
First you say I'm coasting and then you don't like what I have to say about Piggy. Why are you so invested in Piggy? You say you figured the poison will sort itself out, but will it? For someone who voted Piggy, you sure decided to let go extremely fast. And I find that so so weird.
Abby Cadabby
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I don't hate this....I likely would've moved my vote off of you already if I had someone stronger in my mind.
Just gonna hang tight in hopes Grogu about to drop some hot knowledge on us.
Abby Cadabby
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A poisoner definitely wouldn't want a role flipped that confirms poison is a thing.
Abby Cadabby
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Although if the poison has a delay.......The poisoner probably wouldn't (or shouldn't) give a shit about that reveal seeing as we're all about to find out tomorrow when someone extra croaks.
Grogu
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Alright here are the rumblings of a baby yoda: I think that, especially in a game with, lets say, 14 potential targets (assuming there are 6 total scum across 3 players) having exactly one of those targets be a poison reflect seems off to me, at least from just a mechanical sense alone. Additionally, I feel like this claim is trying to buy time for Miss Piggy to poison someone else tonight (if they are scum they won't be night killed ofc) and then go out swinging; the reason being for the claim is that they felt they got too much heat on day 1 from a lot of now-confirmed townsfolk and wanted to try to delay the inevitable. But if I were a poison mirror, I wouldn't give that information up under a lot of circumstances because then my role is completely useless, as scum will just never attempt to poison that player ever. It could be a #TownGambit but that seems unlikely to Grogu, personally. I'd also like to wait to see if Mr. Mew gets back before EOD and talks more about whats going on, but if Miss Piggy comes back and manages to convince me not to vote for them, I might end up going to Oscar today. But tbh it would take a lot for me to move off Miss Piggy at this point
Charlie McCarthy
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I'm obviously not the only one that thinks a second puppet to an anti town neutral puppet is unlikely to be Town, so I don't know why you're focusing on me here.
Maybe I'm too gullible but I'm willing to believe Fozzie could be Town.
Abby Cadabby
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To be very clear: "croaks" is not some super evil, super deep clue I'm leaving about anything at all. I don't want Kermit to flop over dead tomorrow from poison and you all go, "Abby flaunted it right in our faces."
Bert
Costume
They sure would if their other account doesn't actually hint at poison. Now when the non-poison account flips, they have a better chance of poisoning others.
That is if there is even poison in the game.
Grogu
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So you were the killer all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But yeah I think especially if the poison is delayed, a poisoner would absolutely trade the knowledge of town knowing poison exists in exchange for the death of the one role that can easily counter them
Fozzie Bear
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I never said you were coasting. I stated the obvious that you should make sure to get as many of your reads out as you can today just in case since you didn't say much in the past 24 hours. I also have no issue with your Piggy read other than I think you are being short sighted. The only reason the poisoning won't sort itself out is if people just decide to go brain dead in a day or two (which, I mean, this community has done before so sure but I don't expect it). It's day 2, there's no going back on a claim like that. Again, the only concern here is that Piggy herself is the poisoner but you didn't go that route, you just wanted to take the opposite stance that I did.
Abby Cadabby
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I'm sorry. Could you explain this again and act like I'm five?
I just don't get why a poison mirror would save anyone a day? Like....why make that claim? As town, I'm not looking at Piggy now like, "Oh jeez, we can't vote there and lose our poison mirror." Who gives a shit? (About saving that role, that is). If anything, I'm happy to know we have a poisoner out there. Maybe. If the claim is real.
Abby Cadabby
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Oh wait. The "other account" in this case would be Piggy's? Piggy would be the mouthpiece for the power of the other account, right? I think I follow that now.
Fozzie Bear
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The other people that I saw doing the same thing were Bert (town), Miss Piggy (my thoughts on the claim are fairly clear), and Howdy. I'm going to be real with you in that I have a hunch that you and Howdy are the same player so choosing between you two didn't matter.
Bert
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Sorry to tell you this but my vote is in Piggy, not you. Me not believing piggys claim has nothing to do with you. Your reaction to piggy's claim makes me think you are related to Piggy in some way,so far, I think Piggy will flip scum.
Fozzie Bear
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One of the many reasons that makes me feel like this isn't a gambit. It's a very weak role that isn't worth saving (clearly from how the room has reacted). It's only worth is she is more likely to be town if a poisoner does exist. I will give credit though, Bert does have a point that Piggy could be the other account of the poisoner. But is it worth revealing that poison is in the game like this before its even had an effect on the game state?
Fozzie Bear
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Yeah, she might. My point is you are gambling for no reason. You are living in tunnels and I know at least one of them is wrong.
Bert
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We have two accounts. One is a poisoner, the other is, I don't know, something less useful.
In this case miss piggy is the least useful account, so they sacrifice it by making a poison mirror claim.
If town buys the claim, and Piggy survived, then great, when someone dies of poison, that clears somewhat Piggy's claim too.
If town votes Piggy anyway, then chances are the less useful role is unrelated to the poison and that means town will believe poison just doesn't exist in the game. Until someone dies of poison, at least.
Bert
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And speaking of the gambit, that's why I found Fozzie's reaction so weird,so fast. If you have two accounts to play you have more tools to enforce and idea and Fozzie's response to Piggy was too confident for my taste. I heavily suspect either fozzie knew the plan or is the alt account of Piggy. Fozzie already followed Piggy's vote in Day 1.
Of course ai could be wrong, but it seems to me Fozzie tried to distance themselves from Piggy early day 2 by using the early vote, but now the vote is gone and I see them closer than ever.
Of course ai could be wrong, but it seems to me Fozzie tried to distance themselves from Piggy early day 2 by using the early vote, but now the vote is gone and I see them closer than ever.
Pinocchio
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If Piggy is the other account of the poisoner it's still beneficial to vote her out for Town. The poison will reveal itself sooner rather than later and it's still one Scum down.
Fozzie Bear
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Fozzie Bear
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That all goes without saying and, like I said above, a perfectly serviceable theory. But why bother, revealing the poison in the first place? Especially since Bert's theory asserts that Miss Piggy was already expendable as an account anyway.
Fozzie Bear
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Would Elmo like to elaborate or is Elmo going to make another one liner to meet her post count before disappearing for awhile ago?
Kermit the Frog
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I'm the poison person, 1 shot and used it, person will die midway next day, I think they are scum so won't say who they are in case scum has an antidote.
Kermit the Frog
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Oh btw the person isn't notified
Fozzie Bear
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Wow, it's so rare that I get vindicated immediately.
Kermit the Frog
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Gonna say this does scream like something scum would have, very situational and can fuck a townie over, unless scum also has a poisoner.