Puppet Mafia | Everyone's wearing socks

[Randomless]

The night of celebrating led to another grisly morning.

In the middle of the Theatre, a puppet’s head was jammed onto a pike. Their mouse ears had been ripped clean off, but it was still clear who it was…

Topo Gigio has died!

They were…

Welcome to Puppet Mafia!

You are Topo Gigio. You are aligned with the Good Puppets (that is, TOWN).

You are a world famous mouse with a friendly personality, but you never forget your Italian roots. Italians made you who you are today. You do not possess any unique skills.

You are Vanilla.

You have the ability to vote.

You win when all threats to the Good Puppets are eliminated.

Costume Name: Topo Gigio
Costume Password: nah
Game thread is here: https://www.outermafia.com/threads/968/

Good luck and have fun!

Please confirm your Role by replying to this PM or posting in the game thread.

Day 3 Begins

Day 3 Ends in:

Vote tool: https://vote.fireblend.com/om/968/

 

[Bert]

Cowards.

 

[Bert]

Well Piggy was scum, surprise.

 

[Grogu]

I'm currently in an Uber to the airport, so activity may be spotty. Once I get through security and stuff, ill be around for a while before I get really busy; but I will be around for EOD at least. Current thoughts: Miss Piggy telling the truth (kinda) is interesting, and we didn't get a poison kill so that brings Kermit's claim into question as well. However, I would definitely like to hear more from Mr. Mew as they said they had something yesterday. Additionally im surprised topo gigio was killed, i would have thought someone more vocal would be on the chopping block

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Italians made you who you are today. You do not possess any unique skills.

Sounds like whoever wrote this has it out for Italians.

Current thoughts: Miss Piggy telling the truth (kinda) is interesting, and we didn't get a poison kill so that brings Kermit's claim into question as well.

Kermit's claim was that the poison kicks in midway through this day-phase.

The next logical step is to see who could or could not be paired with Piggy IMO. I'd also like to look through the reactions to the claim as it was pretty frenetic.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I would like to go on record that if I was scum, Bert would have been the kill night 1 and night 2.

I still stand by what I said, I think Piggy gave up, specifically after Kermit’s claim and voted for herself for free points. My vote is for the wooden puppet who asked us for permission to vote.

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Oh no poor Topo!

Riposa in Pace little mousey friend!

@Fozzie Bear which wooden puppet are you talking about? Not Howdy doody, that puppet is town!

 

[Bert]

I would like to go on record that if I was scum, Bert would have been the kill night 1 and night 2.

I still stand by what I said, I think Piggy gave up, specifically after Kermit’s claim and voted for herself for free points. My vote is for the wooden puppet who asked us for permission to vote.

Looking for crackers.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Oh no poor Topo!

Riposa in Pace little mousey friend!

@Fozzie Bear which wooden puppet are you talking about? Not Howdy doody, that puppet is town!

I was way too lazy to go back because I should be on computer in an hour but Kutaro is who I meant.

 

[Howdy Doody]

I would like to go on record that if I was scum, Bert would have been the kill night 1 and night 2.

I still stand by what I said, I think Piggy gave up, specifically after Kermit’s claim and voted for herself for free points. My vote is for the wooden puppet who asked us for permission to vote.

I wouldn't ever ask permission to vote, I wish I was that nice!

Glad we stuck with Miss Piggy. This calls even more scrutiny to the Dyna voters and Oscar voters from D1, which were the only two other credible wagons. I still feel OK about Charlie and Abby

So that leaves

Mr Mew
Fozzie
Pinocchio

Of course, scum is probably off wagon too, but I think there is the most evidence amongst this group for maybe trying to save Miss Piggy D1

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

I was way too lazy to go back because I should be on computer in an hour but Kutaro is who I meant.

Thanks, I’ll take a look at Kutaro too

 

[Bert]

What happens to the midday poison if we hammer?

 

[Bert]

@Kermit the Frog ,do you know what happens to the poison if we hammer before midday?

 

[Howdy Doody]

I'd also look at Jeff Tracy and Fozzie once again as early bus votes on Miss Piggy to get town cred

 

[Howdy Doody]

Oh no poor Topo!

Riposa in Pace little mousey friend!

@Fozzie Bear which wooden puppet are you talking about? Not Howdy doody, that puppet is town!

Well that's mighty sweet of ya

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Well that's mighty sweet of ya

I had my suspicions but you town, at least as town as Charlie McCarthy

 

[Fozzie Bear]

@Kermit the Frog ,do you know what happens to the poison if we hammer before midday?

It’s better to just let the poison happen so does this really matter. We can say for sure it didn’t come from a scum player so worst case a neutral did it and it still has a chance of killing scum.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I had my suspicions but you town, at least as town as Charlie McCarthy

What a bad comparison for calling someone town lol

 

[Kutaro]

I still think Pinnochio is sus.

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

What a bad comparison for calling someone town lol

Not from my perspective

 

[Bert]

It’s better to just let the poison happen so does this really matter. We can say for sure it didn’t come from a scum player so worst case a neutral did it and it still has a chance of killing scum.

Like it was better to let Piggy live last day.

I'm curious how it works. I really want to hear from Kermit since the claim is so so interesting.

 

[Howdy Doody]

Ahhh Mr mew is most likely town

 

[Bert]

Ahhh Mr mew is most likely town

Speaking of, I think scum would be bold enough to try and gang up on mew. I'll have to look at the list of votes on mew.

 

[Mr. Mew]

So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four. Are we cool leaving a poisoner on the table? If tomorrow hits and we lose a town player, Kermit has to go imo.

 

[Mr. Mew]

I'm currently in an Uber to the airport, so activity may be spotty. Once I get through security and stuff, ill be around for a while before I get really busy; but I will be around for EOD at least. Current thoughts: Miss Piggy telling the truth (kinda) is interesting, and we didn't get a poison kill so that brings Kermit's claim into question as well. However, I would definitely like to hear more from Mr. Mew as they said they had something yesterday. Additionally im surprised topo gigio was killed, i would have thought someone more vocal would be on the chopping block

I'd like to blast Lamb Chop and others who were still on me for a "weak D1 vote" that they couldn't be bothered to put any words together on. Abby, Triumph, Lamb, Oscar, Topo. Oscar is town so cross them off. Abby at least responded to me but never moved. Lamb ignored me. Checked them out last night and found nothing worthwhile. Triumph is skating by without much more. RIP Topo.

 

[Elmo]

I'd like to blast Lamb Chop and others who were still on me for a "weak D1 vote" that they couldn't be bothered to put any words together on. Abby, Triumph, Lamb, Oscar, Topo. Oscar is town so cross them off. Abby at least responded to me but never moved. Lamb ignored me. Checked them out last night and found nothing worthwhile. Triumph is skating by without much more. RIP Topo.

Elmo might be missing something here but how do we know Oscar is town?

 

[Grogu]

I want to see who Kermit hit and why before i have final thoughts on that situation; would love to hear more from everyone else, too

 

[Mr. Mew]

I had my suspicions but you town, at least as town as Charlie McCarthy

Is Charlie town for how they broke the tie D1 or something else? "Something else" is an acceptable answer.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Like it was better to let Piggy live last day.

I'm curious how it works. I really want to hear from Kermit since the claim is so so interesting.

Even knowing what we know now, the correct play was still to let Piggy live yesterday (until Kermit claimed at least). You can whine and kick all you'd like but that doesn't change basic strategy.

So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four. Are we cool leaving a poisoner on the table? If tomorrow hits and we lose a town player, Kermit has to go imo.

Kermit is 100% either town or a neutral so Kermit is off the table to me. A poisoner has to exist in the game, there is no chance of Piggy having that role and no poisoner so Kermit isn't lying (unless someone wants to come forward and counter claim). If he fucked up and killed a town, it is what it is.


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To state the obvious, I have to assume scum is scared of a doctor and has no strong kills or was scared of a watcher with no ninja.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Elmo might be missing something here but how do we know Oscar is town?

Oscar might not be town and I've bought into them hook line and sinker.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Kermit is 100% either town or a neutral so Kermit is off the table to me. A poisoner has to exist in the game, there is no chance of Piggy having that role and no poisoner so Kermit isn't lying (unless someone wants to come forward and counter claim). If he fucked up and killed a town, it is what it is.

No doubts about poison existing. The lie could be 1-shot. Could work in our favor if they are neutral and hit scum for us so ‍

 

[Fozzie Bear]

The big question is does Piggy coast on both accounts or was her other account more of a main. I'll be real, I didn't read much of the thread over night time but Kutaro is who stood out to me the most as Piggy self voting but Kutaro is definitely a coaster too. The re-read is easy and most of his time is spent asking other why things are the way they are.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

No doubts about poison existing. The lie could be 1-shot. Could work in our favor if they are neutral and hit scum for us so ‍

Could be but if they are neutral, they are just shooting blind anyway. Town dying to the poison doesn't really tell us Kermit's alignment because he could also just be making a bad shot.

 

[Mr. Mew]

I didn't enjoy the vote on me with no followup. I pushed. Nothing.

Vote: Lamb Chop

 

[Elmo]

Oscar might not be town and I've bought into them hook line and sinker.

Well Elmo agrees anyway that those other names are all big question marks. Though Elmo liked Abby early on, he has faded away and the response to the piggy stuff was a little awkward. Lamb and triumph have both been kind of null still for Elmo which while that doesn't make them scum Elmo hasn't ever felt anything particularly townie from them.

Elmo thinks there are a group of players that have been quite vocal and for the most part have at least felt like they are solving or at least trying to. They are Bert, Howdy, fozzie, Mr mew, Grogu, Charlie.

Elmo tends to feel better about these players. Then there are the players who are kinda not here or not contributing as much and it's harder to feel good about them, such as pinnochio, lamb, kutaro and triumph (Elmo is aware that Elmo also fits into this category).

While there is probably some loud scum voice in the more active player, Elmo thinks the best course of action is focusing on the latter pile for now.

Jeff tracy kind of like Abby is someone who elmo liked at times but it's much less consistent than the first group.

As for Kermit Elmo is not smart enough to know what's going on there. Were it not for his claim yesterday Kermit would definitely fit into the second pile, but for now it seems Kermit was telling the truth at least.

 

[Kutaro]

Well Elmo agrees anyway that those other names are all big question marks. Though Elmo liked Abby early on, he has faded away and the response to the piggy stuff was a little awkward. Lamb and triumph have both been kind of null still for Elmo which while that doesn't make them scum Elmo hasn't ever felt anything particularly townie from them.

Elmo thinks there are a group of players that have been quite vocal and for the most part have at least felt like they are solving or at least trying to. They are Bert, Howdy, fozzie, Mr mew, Grogu, Charlie.

Elmo tends to feel better about these players. Then there are the players who are kinda not here or not contributing as much and it's harder to feel good about them, such as pinnochio, lamb, kutaro and triumph (Elmo is aware that Elmo also fits into this category).

While there is probably some loud scum voice in the more active player, Elmo thinks the best course of action is focusing on the latter pile for now.

Jeff tracy kind of like Abby is someone who elmo liked at times but it's much less consistent than the first group.

As for Kermit Elmo is not smart enough to know what's going on there. Were it not for his claim yesterday Kermit would definitely fit into the second pile, but for now it seems Kermit was telling the truth at least.

This is a lot of words to say loud players good and quiet players bad.

 

[Grogu]

@Triumph the Comic Dog hello dog friend, whatcha feeling about all this

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Ahhh Mr mew is most likely town

Is this based off the votes from yesterday or something else?

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four. Are we cool leaving a poisoner on the table? If tomorrow hits and we lose a town player, Kermit has to go imo.

You should add Howdy doody to that town list.

just sayin’

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

@Mr. Mew for what it’s worth, I think you are back to likely town after yesterday’s flip.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

You should add Howdy doody to that town list.

just sayin’

Alright, look, I don't like Charlie or Howdy so you can't vouch for both unless you have more than just vibes here.

 

[Mr. Mew]

You should add Howdy doody to that town list.

just sayin’

 

[Jeff Tracy]

Spoiler: Piggy reread

They don't impress moi much taking the backseat. Did I miss why Fozzie is doubling down?

1. Good instincts darling
2. It looks like Fozzie is not your #1 fan. Less doubling down but more saying they are good with the vote where it is

Some early shade on Fozzie for their Dynamite vote.

The Dynamite wagon is feeling loosey goosey to me. Needs more of a spark. I think there is more weight behind this one.
Hi-ya!
Vote: Howdy Doody

Switches off Dynamite to Howdy but doesn't do much with this.

I'm not tracking with either of these points. How was support dwindling on the vote? And when you say opportunistic what was the opportunity?

Pushback on Charlies vote on them, I didn't find the followup to this.

If I flip, Charlie skeeves me the most on my wagon. Good luck!

Piggy could have flipped when she posted this, WIFOM?

I'm not going to pretend I had a strong showing yesterday, I definitely underestimated how much time we had and how little the game would move forward.

I thought lamb chop was the only sheep here.

I didn't like this post from Charlie:

As I said before it doesn't make sense to say support was dwindling for what was at the time and remained the leading wagon.
Calling this opportunistic looks pointed and buzzword-y to me rather than being a solid argument.

I don't like the distance Charlie put between himself and his vote:


For not being married to it he stayed there most of the day. And regarding provoking reactions, it looks like lazy excuse to back a vote you don't really believe in and then blame someone else as the instigator.

That said I do think that Charlie breaking the tie like that at end of day looks Townie.

Opening on day 2 continues Charlie focus but leans town.

Or it's the much simpler explanation that I moved my vote to somewhere I thought had a better chance of hitting Scum as town is supposed to do.

The votes on Dynamite were getting increasingly lazy whereas I was liking Shang who at least had a scrap of a reason to be on the Howdy vote. It might have gone somewhere if Shang didn't have an incentive to flip to Dynamite.

Why did you sit off wagon on Grogu?

I do think the other half of Shang is a neutral as well and probably not a town friendly one.
Somewhere between Mew and Fozzie would be a good place to look.

Dynamite didn't do much of anything until near the end it was hard to reach alignment out of it.

Stated interest in Mew and Fozzie but only really chases Fozzie despite Mew leading.
Dead neutral Shang is Piggys only real town read lol.

Fozzie did you act last night?

Role fishing with Fozzie?

Fozzie is looking increasingly calculated to me here, that Charlie vote doesn't look like their genuine best thoughts on hitting Scum.
Vote: Fozzie Bear

Final vote on Fozzie for voting Charlie, then dips as claim crumbles.

Surprisingly sparse with very little reads but I think this looks good for Fozzie and Charlie.
The only other notable mentions for me were Howdy (voted but never discussed) and Mew (mentioned but not voted on)

 

[Jeff Tracy]

So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four.

Why these four?

 

[Howdy Doody]

So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four. Are we cool leaving a poisoner on the table? If tomorrow hits and we lose a town player, Kermit has to go imo.

Why is Fozzie on this list? If you believe Oscar, it should be me

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Why is Fozzie on this list? If you believe Oscar, it should be me

Complaining about one person being on a town list instead of yourself has to be a new high on the scum-o-meter. I have to wonder if you are doing it on purpose at this point.

 

[Lamb Chop]

Ahhh Mr mew is most likely town

So town is Bert/Fozzie/Oscar/Charlie. I'm posing this to everyone though I especially wanna hear from those four. Are we cool leaving a poisoner on the table? If tomorrow hits and we lose a town player, Kermit has to go imo.

With takes like these? Doubt, Kermit is 100% town.
Vote: Mr. Mew

 

[Grogu]

For all we know kermit could be scum and it was a gambit that went horribly, horribly off the rails. I wanna hear from the frog's mouth first, if possible

 

[Lamb Chop]

For all we know kermit could be scum and it was a gambit that went horribly, horribly off the rails. I wanna hear from the frog's mouth first, if possible

You said this last phase too, something about a heist. There is 0 scenarios where Kermit is scum, we can debate neutral but not scum.

 

[Lamb Chop]

Because
A. Kermit is telling the truth and is scum, first why draw attention to them, second why would scum have the poison and the poison mirror
B. Kermit is no poisoner and lied to gain town cred, again why bring attention to them and why open themselves up to a counter claim by the sure to exist actual poisoner.
Like am I crazy?

 

[Grogu]

Because
A. Kermit is telling the truth and is scum, first why draw attention to them, second why would scum have the poison and the poison mirror
B. Kermit is no poisoner and lied to gain town cred, again why bring attention to them and why open themselves up to a counter claim by the sure to exist actual poisoner.
Like am I crazy?

I don't think you are crazy; the logical (and likely) solution is that kermit is telling the truth and is either town or neutral. However, crazy shit has happened in the past, and it can happen again. There are sometimes 4d chess games happening that make no sense to people; I would just like to hear some more from kermit before i personally have a decision made.

 

[Lamb Chop]

Why are we thinking Mr. Mew is town now? We could've had 2 scum trains, unless there's something I missed?

 

[Howdy Doody]

Complaining about one person being on a town list instead of yourself has to be a new high on the scum-o-meter. I have to wonder if you are doing it on purpose at this point.

Its more like, maybe you are town, but the rest of the people on this list have proof that they are 100% town through Oscar or the Mason flip. You just seem to want to pick fights for no reason lol

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

I think we can agree that Kermit is 100% not Scum.

Miss Piggy claimed when she was barely in contention while Mew was solidly in the lead (I think 5 to 3), so I'm not quite sure what the reason behind it was.

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

Could be she was trying to get some heat off of Mr. Mew, because she then tried to start a new wagon on Fozzie, who had had some suspicion thrown their way before.

 

[Charlie McCarthy]

If Mr. Mew is Scum, that would mean that all remaining Scum members ended up bussing a team mate on D2. There was some effort during the day to get a Pinocchio train going before the claim, so my first suspects would be Grogu and Kutaro.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I think we can agree that Kermit is 100% not Scum.

Miss Piggy claimed when she was barely in contention while Mew was solidly in the lead (I think 5 to 3), so I'm not quite sure what the reason behind it was.

Could be she was trying to get some heat off of Mr. Mew, because she then tried to start a new wagon on Fozzie, who had had some suspicion thrown their way before.

How does her claim help get heat off of Mew? I don't think anyone reasonably assumes that claiming right then will somehow save their own counter wagon.

Mew was solidly town to me before yesterday and still is today. I think Piggy tried to get ahead of a potential even vote near day end where she could have died just based on one person flipping a vote and it backfired since the poisoner had no issue coming forward.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

For everyone hoping for Kermit to post again, I get the feeling you are in for a wait. It feels neutral coded but I think he is just using his alt account and is just going to ride the fact that it's obvious he can't be scum.

 

[Lamb Chop]

For everyone hoping for Kermit to post again, I get the feeling you are in for a wait. It feels neutral coded but I think he is just using his alt account and is just going to ride the fact that it's obvious he can't be scum.

They still need to do 10 posts to avoid replacement so they might start posting before poison kicks in.

 

[Lamb Chop]

We have to consider the fact that Mr. Mew might be the alt of Piggie and had a better ability, making Piggie claim. Just throwing the possibilty out there.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

We have to consider the fact that Mr. Mew might be the alt of Piggie and had a better ability, making Piggie claim. Just throwing the possibilty out there.

How does her claim help get heat off of Mew? I don't think anyone reasonably assumes that claiming right then will somehow save their own counter wagon.

My point still stands

 

[Lamb Chop]

My point still stands

Worth a shot right? I mean it worked, if Mr. Mew had a good ability they kept them alive AND convinced everyone they're town. I'm not saying all that because they vote for me, but the whole "actually Mr. Mew is town now" feels ridiculous.

 

[Howdy Doody]

Worth a shot right? I mean it worked, if Mr. Mew had a good ability they kept them alive AND convinced everyone they're town. I'm not saying all that because they vote for me, but the whole "actually Mr. Mew is town now" feels ridiculous.

I agree we shouldn't make assumptions about Mr Mew, especially in a game where everyone has two accounts. I guess for me the thing was when Mr Mew was going hard for Oscar and then suddenly unvoted. Now I know it's because he saw Oscar's claim about Charlie and assumed an investigative role. So that behavior reads town to me.

Of course, I've acted similarly in the past as scum though.

The timing of the Unvote felt town to me though somehow

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Worth a shot right? I mean it worked, if Mr. Mew had a good ability they kept them alive AND convinced everyone they're town. I'm not saying all that because they vote for me, but the whole "actually Mr. Mew is town now" feels ridiculous.

It's not worth a shot though. You're making this argument with hindsight bias. It makes no sense for someone to have predicted this outcome. Piggy clearly claimed to make sure she did not die, it was a typically town role she claimed, what she was trying to do is pretty obvious.

 

[Oscar the Grouch]

Why are we thinking Mr. Mew is town now? We could've had 2 scum trains, unless there's something I missed?

It’s unlikely that scum intentionally sacrifices a passive power role that can prevent an unintended scum death for another scum team member.

I literally can’t think of a scum aligned power role that would be more important than one which could reflect and prevent a town kill on them.

so Mr. mew is likely town based on that assumption. Could be wrong but that is the thought behind it

 

[Jeff Tracy]

What happens to the midday poison if we hammer?

I think you generally can't cheat mechanics by hammering but I suppose like everything else it can vary.

I think we can agree that Kermit is 100% not Scum.

Miss Piggy claimed when she was barely in contention while Mew was solidly in the lead (I think 5 to 3), so I'm not quite sure what the reason behind it was.

Agreed on Kermit, I don't think we need to worry about that slot.

It's a good point about the totals. If Mr. Mew is town why did Piggy not just throw a vote down and move on instead of making a claim that didn't redeem her at all?

 

[Mr. Mew]

Why are we thinking Mr. Mew is town now? We could've had 2 scum trains, unless there's something I missed?

This is comical. Why am I town now when you still refuse to answer why I'm scum.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Why is Fozzie on this list? If you believe Oscar, it should be me

I read Oscar's reply to you while looking at Fozzie avatar in the post below and swapped the names. Then when I posted my list and Oscar said to add you without removing Fozzie I didn't think about it. Fozzie shouldn't be on that list.

 

[Mr. Mew]

Could be she was trying to get some heat off of Mr. Mew, because she then tried to start a new wagon on Fozzie, who had had some suspicion thrown their way before.

In a world where I'm scum that needs the heat taken off, Piggy isn't going after the one person yesterday who argued in my favor.

 

[Lamb Chop]

This is comical. Why am I town now when you still refuse to answer why I'm scum.

What? You're scum for the same reason you were scum yesterday.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Sorry, all. Here now.

Jeff tracy kind of like Abby is someone who elmo liked at times but it's much less consistent than the first group.

Yeahhhh. Can't argue this. I said it myself D2. I kind of just fizzled out and lost my steam. Throwing some coal in the fire today though. Choo choo.

 

[Mr. Mew]

What? You're scum for the same reason you were scum yesterday.

These aren't reasons

Sorry everyone, very busy weekend. I agree the Mew vote looks really bad in hindsight, but I'll hold until they can defend themselves.

I'm thinking Mr. Mew is the most likely person to be scum out of everyone on Headdy. Nothing else of interest really arose since then...

It's fair some people think I'm suspicious due to me activity, I promise you it's not on purpose. I still think Mew is the person we go for today. It's just one of those days where you just know the person got caught you know? Which reminds me I did forget to vote.
Vote: Mr. Mew

look bad in hindsight
most likely to be scum out of everyone on Headdy
You Just Know ™

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I'm playing catchup. Just gonna re-read the whole thread and drink my morning coffee. I'll be here.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

It’s unlikely that scum intentionally sacrifices a passive power role that can prevent an unintended scum death for another scum team member.

I literally can’t think of a scum aligned power role that would be more important than one which could reflect and prevent a town kill on them.

so Mr. mew is likely town based on that assumption. Could be wrong but that is the thought behind it

Not to hamstring my own arguments but I disagree. I think most scum aligned power roles would be worth more than Piggy’s ability. There’s 20 players in the game, the odds of Piggy’s ability actually preventing a kill are fairly low.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Let's plop this corpse on up here and take a look:

Fozzie did you act last night?

These next two drop at almost the same time:

I don't know how much this helps things but I figure I'll just come out with it. I'm a Poison Mirror, if someone tries to attack me with poison it bounces back to them. I tried looking on the wiki to see if poison is more likely a Scum or Neutral thing but I couldn't be sure.
Fozzie insisting that Shang's other half, which as others have said could very well be Fozzie is nothing to worry about is making me nervous here. The only thing I'm not sure about is if a neutral poisoner would be worth flipping today or if we can shelf it and hunt scum.

I like how Miss Piggy openly tried to figure out if I was a PR or not and no one even batted an eye

Then:

Fozzie is looking increasingly calculated to me here, that Charlie vote doesn't look like their genuine best thoughts on hitting Scum.
Vote: Fozzie Bear

 

[Abby Cadabby]

If Fozzie is scum, the team was going for a deep bus to lay the foundation for endgame. Doubt this----Piggy would've been more present and kept drilling into Fozzie. Kinda doesn't work if you drop this and bail. Needed more theatrics---Fozzie and Piggy going at it.

More thoughts. Stupid work interrupting me....

 

[Lamb Chop]

These aren't reasons





look bad in hindsight
most likely to be scum out of everyone on Headdy
You Just Know ™

How does it look bad lmao, you haven't flipped town, it's a good vote.

 

[Mr. Mew]

How does it look bad lmao, you haven't flipped town, it's a good vote.

Those are your words.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

I'd think up a roast to start the day here...but HOW are we leaving a poisoner on the table?!

This is def a neutral SK type role. I don't know why he claimed yesterday, it's not like he voted for Miss Piggy yesterday. But in what world is this a town role? He is likely lying about his power being x-shot and is more likely to kill town than scum. Our win condition is to eliminate all threats, not just scum.

VOTE: Kermit the Frog

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

In terms of scum, I'll be looking at Grogu, Pinocchio and Abby. Abby felt town to me but I need to revisit. Lamb Chop I'm liking more, he is engaging this day phase, going after someone who is fairly town read.

I do think the quiet ones are scum, so I'd like to focus there this day phase (abby has graduated into the quiet pile after a strong D1 showing). Especially after one scum mate getting voted out, I think they would want to just coast by for a bit.

 

[Triumph the Comic Dog]

Also, raise your hand if you would like a roast. If not, I'll be picking at random...

 

[Mr. Mew]

In terms of scum, I'll be looking at Grogu, Pinocchio and Abby. Abby felt town to me but I need to revisit. Lamb Chop I'm liking more, he is engaging this day phase, going after someone who is fairly town read.

I do think the quiet ones are scum, so I'd like to focus there this day phase (abby has graduated into the quiet pile after a strong D1 showing). Especially after one scum mate getting voted out, I think they would want to just coast by for a bit.

Lamb is doing the opposite of engaging. I called them out D2 for a weak vote. They ignored. I call them out again today. They claim they made their reasons yesterday. Post 672 I show they have no receipts for reasons yesterday. I'm done with them.

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Also, raise your hand if you would like a roast. If not, I'll be picking at random...

Hit me with your best shot

If Fozzie is scum, the team was going for a deep bus to lay the foundation for endgame. Doubt this----Piggy would've been more present and kept drilling into Fozzie. Kinda doesn't work if you drop this and bail. Needed more theatrics---Fozzie and Piggy going at it.

More thoughts. Stupid work interrupting me....

Follow up, and good timing from Triumph while I'm reading that Piggy and Fozzie post:

I'd think up a roast to start the day here...but HOW are we leaving a poisoner on the table?!

This is def a neutral SK type role. I don't know why he claimed yesterday, it's not like he voted for Miss Piggy yesterday. But in what world is this a town role? He is likely lying about his power being x-shot and is more likely to kill town than scum. Our win condition is to eliminate all threats, not just scum.

VOTE: Kermit the Frog

---Is Triumph Piggy? Did Piggy think they found a neutral serial killer they could get town to go after in Fozzie? I like this theory a lot.

....doesn't explain why Piggy didn't show up to crank up the heat on Kermit after they claimed though if that's the case.....

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I'd think up a roast to start the day here...but HOW are we leaving a poisoner on the table?!

This is def a neutral SK type role. I don't know why he claimed yesterday, it's not like he voted for Miss Piggy yesterday. But in what world is this a town role? He is likely lying about his power being x-shot and is more likely to kill town than scum. Our win condition is to eliminate all threats, not just scum.

VOTE: Kermit the Frog

This the best you got?

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Vote: Triumph the Dog

Someone tell me if I'm being paranoid.

Spoiler

Don't bother. It's gonna bounce off this tinfoil hat

 

[Abby Cadabby]

Vote: Triumph the Comic Dog

Stupid titles.....

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I want to see who Kermit hit and why before i have final thoughts on that situation; would love to hear more from everyone else, too

It's in the best interest of town we hear thoughts before the poison whacks someone off. Especially from you. Scum are likely sitting back nervous about incrementing or clearing someone they don't have to if they're about to be the target of the poison.

 

[Lamb Chop]

It's in the best interest of town we hear thoughts before the poison whacks someone off. Especially from you. Scum are likely sitting back nervous about incrementing or clearing someone they don't have to if they're about to be the target of the poison.

I like this post, Grogu has been slightly hitting my scum radar every since day 1, that post totally feels like "Yeah I'm not gonna engage with the game at all until Kermit's poison hits"

 

[Jeff Tracy]

I'd think up a roast to start the day here...but HOW are we leaving a poisoner on the table?!

This is def a neutral SK type role. I don't know why he claimed yesterday, it's not like he voted for Miss Piggy yesterday. But in what world is this a town role? He is likely lying about his power being x-shot and is more likely to kill town than scum. Our win condition is to eliminate all threats, not just scum.

VOTE: Kermit the Frog

Why can't Kermit just be a delayed vigilante with a counter on the scum team?

 

[Bert]

Because
A. Kermit is telling the truth and is scum, first why draw attention to them, second why would scum have the poison and the poison mirror
B. Kermit is no poisoner and lied to gain town cred, again why bring attention to them and why open themselves up to a counter claim by the sure to exist actual poisoner.
Like am I crazy?

It's early in the game and the double accounts may make scum more reckless in their approach.

I believe Piggy was sure they could spin their (real) power into a town role. Problem was we didn't believe it.

Then, Kermit came and confirmed the power that town didn't believe in, maybe expecting town to believe both and let them live.

It's the not believing part at first that probably doomed them.

 

[Bert]

Why can't Kermit just be a delayed vigilante with a counter on the scum team?

I kinda said this before but I feel a town Kermit wouldn't bother claiming when their only counter was going to be voted anyway. Why bring attention to yourself? If you already used your potion then you know it went through.

Kermit expressed worry that scum might counter it, but if that's the case... Why claim it at all? Just let it go through. Or claim it just before it happens. But then if you are town and fucked up the poison, then why risk claiming it?

I guess Kermit is Shang and since they already won with that account why care if you win with Kermit.

 

[Bert]

Also I gotta say I do not like lamb's pursuit of mew. I'm not convinced mew is town but I certainly think lamb's argument is weak and the way is presented feels scummy to me.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I kinda said this before but I feel a town Kermit wouldn't bother claiming when their only counter was going to be voted anyway. Why bring attention to yourself? If you already used your potion then you know it went through.

Kermit expressed worry that scum might counter it, but if that's the case... Why claim it at all? Just let it go through. Or claim it just before it happens. But then if you are town and fucked up the poison, then why risk claiming it?

I guess Kermit is Shang and since they already won with that account why care if you win with Kermit.

I just let out the heaviest sigh of my life.

But anyway, in your little dream world, why wouldn’t Kermit want to win with both accounts. What kind of loser wins on one account and then just takes an L on account 2 by not caring?

 

[Kermit the Frog]

For everyone hoping for Kermit to post again, I get the feeling you are in for a wait. It feels neutral coded but I think he is just using his alt account and is just going to ride the fact that it's obvious he can't be scum.

Or, day starts when Kermit is asleep and then Kermit has to go to work.
Howdie Doody say your last words, in a few hours you won't be with us.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

Oh and Triumph is probably scum, so is Grogu, Mr. Mew could go either way.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Or, day starts when Kermit is asleep and then Kermit has to go to work.
Howdie Doody say your last words, in a few hours you won't be with us.

Good kill, I approve

 

[Grogu]

It's in the best interest of town we hear thoughts before the poison whacks someone off. Especially from you. Scum are likely sitting back nervous about incrementing or clearing someone they don't have to if they're about to be the target of the poison.

That makes sense. I think my gut is telling me that Mr. Mew isn't scum; I think Miss Piggy claiming yesterday was to try to cement her "innocence" to make sure Mew would get voted out instead, but that didn't work. But also I guess maybe they threw Miss Piggy under the bus to take heat off of others? I doubt it, but its not impossible if two scum were both on trains. I don't think its likely however. I would like to hear more from triumph kutaro and pinnochio, as they've been pretty quiet. I appreciate Lamb Chop stepping up a bit more so far today. In terms of where I'll vote today, probably might go for Oscar (unless Kermit sticks out as an easy neutral). I do actually think though the flip of whoever dies is going to provide us a lot of information one way or the other and might change my vote entirely

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I think it’s cute that scum are just lining themselves up by trying to push a Kermit vote today lol Would you all like to keep going or is two people outing themselves enough?

 

[Abby Cadabby]

I really thought Grogu was going to be the kill, which on top of thinking they might be scum is part of the reason I wanted to hear from them before the flip.

I like this post, Grogu has been slightly hitting my scum radar every since day 1, that post totally feels like "Yeah I'm not gonna engage with the game at all until Kermit's poison hits"

Spoiler

]/SPOILER]

 

[Kermit the Frog]

I really thought Grogu was going to be the kill, which on top of thinking they might be scum is part of the reason I wanted to hear from them before the flip.

Why though? Grogu isn't town read, nor confirmed town(me and Bert atm). Topo Gigio wasn't in either of these categories either to be fair but scum might've seen something I missed on my reread, which was more of a skim really.