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Abby Cadabby

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Why though? Grogu isn't town read, nor confirmed town(me and Bert atm). Topo Gigio wasn't in either of these categories either to be fair but scum might've seen something I missed on my reread, which was more of a skim really.
Purely off of you starting D2 with a vote on them. Though I suppose yeah.....why would you vote on someone that you'd already poisoned unless you wanted to leave a crumb or something. So okay. Yeah, I should've thought about that more.
 

Bert

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I just let out the heaviest sigh of my life.

But anyway, in your little dream world, why wouldn’t Kermit want to win with both accounts. What kind of loser wins on one account and then just takes an L on account 2 by not caring?
I'm leaving you alone for now so you might as well do the same. I'm tired of dunking on you and proving you wrong for a while.
 

Bert

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I just let out the heaviest sigh of my life.

But anyway, in your little dream world, why wouldn’t Kermit want to win with both accounts. What kind of loser wins on one account and then just takes an L on account 2 by not caring?
Ok, enough jokes. For real tho this is just speculation on my part of why Kermit claims. Easier answer is that Kermit is just scum that did a bad gambit. Or town player that wanted so hard to be useful that missed how the claim put them on a bad spot. Either way Kermit kinda has to go.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Ok, enough jokes. For real tho this is just speculation on my part of why Kermit claims. Easier answer is that Kermit is just scum that did a bad gambit. Or town player that wanted so hard to be useful that missed how the claim put them on a bad spot. Either way Kermit kinda has to go.
There is 0 world where Kermit is scum only someone else is a poisoner and has purposely been keeping quiet.
 

Bert

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There is 0 world where Kermit is scum only someone else is a poisoner and has purposely been keeping quiet.
So you are saying there is a world since the only way Kermit would know someone is dying of poison without being the poisoner is if they have the same info, as in, the same team.
 

Fozzie Bear

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So you are saying there is a world since the only way Kermit would know someone is dying of poison without being the poisoner is if they have the same info, as in, the same team.
Kermit could easily just be a day vig and he is going to shoot Howdy, you won’t have any way of knowing it’s poison. Kermit is very clearly killing but there is a very convoluted world where he’s lying about being a poisoner.

but the real poisoner would and should have come forward already if that’s true so it’s likely not.
 

Bert

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It’s basically just the scum team and Bert, so all easily ignorable voices.
Seriously Fozzie you keep trying to impose your voice as the correct one and you keep being wrong. You voted for headdy, you were wrong, you wanted to let Piggy go, you were wrong. Always trying to steer the conversation to deadends.
 

Bert

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Kermit could easily just be a day vig and he is going to shoot Howdy, you won’t have any way of knowing it’s poison. Kermit is very clearly killing but there is a very convoluted world where he’s lying about being a poisoner.

but the real poisoner would and should have come forward already if that’s true so it’s likely not.
In what world would Kermit claim poison when someone else claimed poison mirror to then just be a vig?
 

Fozzie Bear

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Seriously Fozzie you keep trying to impose your voice as the correct one and you keep being wrong. You voted for headdy, you were wrong, you wanted to let Piggy go, you were wrong. Always trying to steer the conversation to deadends.
Headdy vote was pretty good, I liked that one.

I wasn’t wrong on Piggy.

Not sure what else you want. You have bad logic constantly, that’s not my fault.
 

Fozzie Bear

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In what world would Kermit claim poison when someone else claimed poison mirror to then just be a vig?
Like a 2% chance. It’s very obviously unlikely which is why Kermit is never scum here. That’s been my point the whole time, you are the one trying to fit that square peg into the round hole. The worst Kermit is is neutral.
 

Bert

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Headdy vote was pretty good, I liked that one.

I wasn’t wrong on Piggy.

Not sure what else you want. You have bad logic constantly, that’s not my fault.
Let's compare track records:

I called Shang.
I called Piggy.

Guess who is next?
 

Howdy Doody

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Or, day starts when Kermit is asleep and then Kermit has to go to work.
Howdie Doody say your last words, in a few hours you won't be with us.

Well that sucks.

Anyway, it happens. This power was always more likely to hit town. Those of you showing glee (Fozzie, Grogu, Jeff) should be inspected more closely because I'm confirmed town from Oscar.
 

Howdy Doody

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Also, Fozzie talking big but haven't seen any actual votes from them or scum reads, just big reactions to others

STILL I would say focus on the quiet ones
 

Fozzie Bear

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Let's compare track records:

I called Shang.
I called Piggy.

Guess who is next?
You said Shang was scum which was a horribly wrong assertion lol

I called piggy before you, I just also know how to play the odds better than you and not just go all in on gambling
 

Howdy Doody

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In terms on my night action, I won't reveal my target, but yes it's who you think it is. Will make sense after my flip
 

Fozzie Bear

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Also, Fozzie talking big but haven't seen any actual votes from them or scum reads, just big reactions to others

STILL I would say focus on the quiet ones
I’m literally voting on a scum read right now, you reading the same thread? Or you going to keep riding Oscar’s coattails?
 
==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

Kermit the Frog (1 votes)
Triumph the Comic Dog - #679

Grogu (1 votes)
Fozzie Bear - #720

Mr. Mew (1 votes)
Lamb Chop - #647

Lamb Chop (1 votes)
Mr. Mew - #634

Triumph the Comic Dog (1 votes)
Abby Cadabby - #686

Not voting: Kutaro, Jeff Tracy, Kermit the Frog, Howdy Doody, Pinocchio, Charlie McCarthy, Elmo, Oscar the Grouch, Bert, Grogu

Post Counts:
Fozzie Bear: 27 Bert: 17 Mr. Mew: 14 Lamb Chop: 10 Abby Cadabby: 10 Howdy Doody: 10 Grogu: 9 Jeff Tracy: 8 Oscar the Grouch: 7 Kermit the Frog: 4 Kutaro: 3 Triumph the Comic Dog: 3 Charlie McCarthy: 3 Elmo: 2

Current Countdown:
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Bert

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You said Shang was scum which was a horribly wrong assertion lol

I called piggy before you, I just also know how to play the odds better than you and not just go all in on gambling
I said Shang wasn't solving because they already knew what the flip was going to be.

And I had a vote on Piggy day 1,who did you have a vote on?
 

Fozzie Bear

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I said Shang wasn't solving because they already knew what the flip was going to be.

And I had a vote on Piggy day 1,who did you have a vote on?
Shang was solving, she had investment in whatever her second win con was. She just knew she could manipulate you all easily into what she needed as well. You can re-read her yourself and see she didn’t guide you all into Dynamite until close to day end. Before that she had no interest in him.
 

Bert

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I'm done with this discussion Fozzie, you can twist and turn all you want but evidence is all there about how ineffectual you have been and how you always seem to back the actions of the confirmed scum team (miss piggy) and their narrative. Always ready to try and push the town that way.
Wow, it's so rare that I get vindicated immediately.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Thankfully you are going to flip Howdy.

BTW talking about howdy hints Ill guess that role is going to flip distracted or redirect or, probably.
My guess is doctor protecting you last night which would suck but that’s what Howdy seems to be insinuating if he’s telling the truth.
 

Bert

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As much as it goes against my wincon, I would love for you to be out of the game already, you are more of a detriment at this point
Only because I don't agree with you.

But just look at howdy's claim, "must likely to hit town anyway" doesn't read like Doc to me, and you either missed this or are trying to role fish.

You don't need to claim howdy, we don't even know if the poison will go through.
 

Fozzie Bear

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We can't be sure the poison will go through. What are we supposed to do until then, just wait?
People can talk, I’ve said my piece. I think Kutaro (sp?) is Piggy. I think Grogu is being opportunistic ready to jump on the bad vot Kermit or Oscar if Howdy isn’t town, Triumph is also in the scum wagon of trying to convince people it’s worth our time to consider Kermit. And as already said a billion times, Kermit is never scum here.

The death will probably happen, maybe not, but it doesn’t matter, there’s no point in sitting here and waiting for it.
 

Kutaro

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Looking at the wagons currently I like lamb and triumph for scum over the other three.

Still think Pinnochio deserves more attention tho.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Well maybe not actually, now that I think about it Grogu is trying to chain over to Oscar if Howdy doesn’t flip town. I’m not sure he does that if he is Howdy’s alt. Not impossible but that’s a weird reaction.
 

Howdy Doody

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I’m literally voting on a scum read right now, you reading the same thread? Or you going to keep riding Oscar’s coattails?
OK I think that happened in the time I wrote this post.

Anyway, I don't know why you are engaging with me, do more scum hunting. I'm a dead puppet walking
 
Kermit is 10000% a detriment to town even if neutral. I'd rather have a sure vote today than a maybe scum vote. Like I said, we can't win if there's an SK running around.
 
If Kermit was off the table who would be your maybe scum vote?

Now we're talking.

Grogu, Pinnochio or Kutaro. I'm especially liking Kutaro more because of the late vote on Miss Piggy D2, perhaps trying to get bus points. Open to others too, I have no qualms. I probably wouldn't vote these people: Bert, Oscar, Charlie, Howdy, Fozzie (can't see Miss Piggy vs Fozzie from yesterday being scum v scum), Mr Mew. Everyone else - on the chopping block

I guess if nobody wants to vote a (all but) confirmed SK I'll have to change my vote
 
That actually makes a lot of since considering how Grogu reacted after you claimed the target today.
Howdie always says how suspicious they are of Grogu, never cast a vote, not a single time. I'm thinking it's scum trying to distance themselves. Additionally in D1 Grogu and Howdie were'nt using a . to end a sentence, not uncommon but it piles up.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Now we're talking.

Grogu, Pinnochio or Kutaro. I'm especially liking Kutaro more because of the late vote on Miss Piggy D2, perhaps trying to get bus points. Open to others too, I have no qualms. I probably wouldn't vote these people: Bert, Oscar, Charlie, Howdy, Fozzie (can't see Miss Piggy vs Fozzie from yesterday being scum v scum), Mr Mew. Everyone else - on the chopping block

I guess if nobody wants to vote a (all but) confirmed SK I'll have to change my vote
Since you at least seem more genuine than Grogu, I’m willing to give you more benefit of the doubt so I’ll say a couple things to this.

- I don’t think it’s all but confirmed at all that he is a SK. Piggy’s role on paper would be town most of the time so just assuming poisoner = bad is likely a trap.

- He is still a really weird poisoner due to the timing (poison on N1 and death is during D3). I’m taking his claim of his actual powers at face value so we have one neutral who could literally win on day 1 (and did) but now another has such slow kills and needs to what? Survive to the end? Kill specific people? It just feels unbalanced.

- One more death isn’t the end of the world especially if it’s just a neutral shooting blind. If another midday death happens then we can discuss if and why Kermit was lying and then it would possibly be worth pursuing that vote.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Since you at least seem more genuine than Grogu, I’m willing to give you more benefit of the doubt so I’ll say a couple things to this.

- I don’t think it’s all but confirmed at all that he is a SK. Piggy’s role on paper would be town most of the time so just assuming poisoner = bad is likely a trap.

- He is still a really weird poisoner due to the timing (poison on N1 and death is during D3). I’m taking his claim of his actual powers at face value so we have one neutral who could literally win on day 1 (and did) but now another has such slow kills and needs to what? Survive to the end? Kill specific people? It just feels unbalanced.

- One more death isn’t the end of the world especially if it’s just a neutral shooting blind. If another midday death happens then we can discuss if and why Kermit was lying and then it would possibly be worth pursuing that vote.
And bonus point 4

-Kermit brought himself to our attention. If he says nothing, we are never having this conversation right now anyway. I don’t see a neutral outing themselves after only one (maybe) successful kill.
 
And bonus point 4

-Kermit brought himself to our attention. If he says nothing, we are never having this conversation right now anyway. I don’t see a neutral outing themselves after only one (maybe) successful kill.

That...is fair. The only thing is, Kermit was clearly around day end (or at least, right after Miss Piggy claimed) and still didn't change his vote or anything. But I guess on the surface Miss Piggy's power could be a protective town measure to his power.
 

Bert

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That...is fair. The only thing is, Kermit was clearly around day end (or at least, right after Miss Piggy claimed) and still didn't change his vote or anything. But I guess on the surface Miss Piggy's power could be a protective town measure to his power.
How would it be protective? If Kermit is town then scum has a way to kill an extra town by returning the poison. That just seems mean, it's like having a vigilante that can be killed back if they aim at the wrong scum, what would the point of giving a town player a kill be if they have an automatic counter?
 
How would it be protective? If Kermit is town then scum has a way to kill an extra town by returning the poison. That just seems mean, it's like having a vigilante that can be killed back if they aim at the wrong scum, what would the point of giving a town player a kill be if they have an automatic counter?

This...is also a fair point.

Gah this is so confusing. I think the upshot is I would still like to get rid of Kermit, but looks like things won't go that way. I'll keep my vote until I have to move it though.
 

Bert

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The inherent risk of a vigilante is killing the wrong town. Giving scum a protecting against that is overdoing it. As Fozzie doesn't see a world where Kermit is scum, I don't see one where Kermit is town.

Maybe we do agree in that he is likely neutral.
 

Fozzie Bear

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How would it be protective? If Kermit is town then scum has a way to kill an extra town by returning the poison. That just seems mean, it's like having a vigilante that can be killed back if they aim at the wrong scum, what would the point of giving a town player a kill be if they have an automatic counter?
Basic game design? It’s not really rocket science.
 

Bert

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Also, gets who benefits the most letting the poisoner free for a few more turns? That's right, the scum team, because more kills means getting closer to dominating votes. Claiming 1 shot is too convenient unless it's a jack of all trades and they have other actions.

Kermit needs to go.
 

Fozzie Bear

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That was too aggressive maybe since you had a follow up post giving me at least some compromise. But no, I don’t see how that would be that wild, especially if we are considering a “small” scum team of only 4 (2 players) which I’m not completely sold on but would be a fair number since 6 is high. A specific high risk counter like that is definitely within reason.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Also, gets who benefits the most letting the poisoner free for a few more turns? That's right, the scum team, because more kills means getting closer to dominating votes. Claiming 1 shot is too convenient unless it's a jack of all trades and they have other actions.

Kermit needs to go.
This assumes Kermit perfectly only hitting town. His first pick was solid imo so it’s not like he’s trying to hit town on purpose if he is neutral. So no, I still don’t think he needs to go.
 

Bert

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This assumes Kermit perfectly only hitting town. His first pick was solid imo so it’s not like he’s trying to hit town on purpose if he is neutral. So no, I still don’t think he needs to go.
Do you honestly TRULY believe he is 1 shot? If he is neutral then chances are he already hit a second target that will die tomorrow, and if we let him live today then he hits another target the next day. You don't seem worried at all about that.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Do you honestly TRULY believe he is 1 shot? If he is neutral then chances are he already hit a second target that will die tomorrow, and if we let him live today then he hits another target the next day. You don't seem worried at all about that.
I’ve considered this but

- I actually do truly believe he is 1 shot. I would just be shocked if he outs himself like that for no reason if he still has more killing to do.

- In the event that he is not 1 shot, he literally chose someone to kill that I scum read on day 1 as well so he’s at least acting in town’s interest imo. If he is going to eliminate question marks for us without us having to waste days voting then I’m not exactly losing sleep over it.

- So much more of this conversation will be relevant when and if Howdy flips because if Howdy is scum, I definitely don’t care to vote Kermit out, scum would be at such a wild disadvantage that we could just wait and see if more poison kills happen.
 

Elmo

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Despite not liking the tone all the time, Elmo agrees with fozzie that killing Kermit now is a waste. If someone else dies tomorrow we know he lied and can vote them out then, worst case scenario he is lying and we lose two more town, not great, but Elmo believes town are in a good spot with the poe and can overcome that.
 

Bert

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I’ve considered this but

- I actually do truly believe he is 1 shot. I would just be shocked if he outs himself like that for no reason if he still has more killing to do.

- In the event that he is not 1 shot, he literally chose someone to kill that I scum read on day 1 as well so he’s at least acting in town’s interest imo. If he is going to eliminate question marks for us without us having to waste days voting then I’m not exactly losing sleep over it.

- So much more of this conversation will be relevant when and if Howdy flips because if Howdy is scum, I definitely don’t care to vote Kermit out, scum would be at such a wild disadvantage that we could just wait and see if more poison kills happen.
You make me laugh, how can you trust a D1 scum read? Come on now, how is poisoning a town member in town interest? You keep sounding so sure of yourself as if your reads are law but you keep being wrong. You were wrong about Piggy, you are going to be wrong about your howdy scum read on day 1 if howdy flips town, and who knows what else you'll be wrong about later.

You and Kermit want scum to kill me, I wonder why.
 

Bert

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Before I forget I want to point out fozie defended mew on day 2 and then mew put Fozzie in confirmed town list for no given reason. Just something to note.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Now we're talking.

Grogu, Pinnochio or Kutaro. I'm especially liking Kutaro more because of the late vote on Miss Piggy D2, perhaps trying to get bus points. Open to others too, I have no qualms. I probably wouldn't vote these people: Bert, Oscar, Charlie, Howdy, Fozzie (can't see Miss Piggy vs Fozzie from yesterday being scum v scum), Mr Mew. Everyone else - on the chopping block

I guess if nobody wants to vote a (all but) confirmed SK I'll have to change my vote
Thanks, I don't really have strong feelings on Pinocchio or Kutaro and would probably have trouble telling them apart. Grogu has started pretty weak but did seem to be working through things with Piggy's claim yesterday.
 

Fozzie Bear

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You make me laugh, how can you trust a D1 scum read? Come on now, how is poisoning a town member in town interest? You keep sounding so sure of yourself as if your reads are law but you keep being wrong. You were wrong about Piggy, you are going to be wrong about your howdy scum read on day 1 if howdy flips town, and who knows what else you'll be wrong about later.

You and Kermit want scum to kill me, I wonder why.
You really want that Piggy credit when I landed on the vote all the same, I just actually pulled back to consider the information (that was true) first.

But anyway, yes, we are talking about a kill made N1 so our mindsets on day 1 need to be taken into account.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Before I forget I want to point out fozie defended mew on day 2 and then mew put Fozzie in confirmed town list for no given reason. Just something to note.
Mew has already abandoned me and said Howdy should have been in that spot, good try though, try to keep up.
 

Bert

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Despite not liking the tone all the time, Elmo agrees with fozzie that killing Kermit now is a waste. If someone else dies tomorrow we know he lied and can vote them out then, worst case scenario he is lying and we lose two more town, not great, but Elmo believes town are in a good spot with the poe and can overcome that.
That's 3 potential town kills+the scum kills +the votes. Who else would you rather get that would get us more info?
 

Elmo

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That's 3 potential town kills+the scum kills +the votes. Who else would you rather get that would get us more info?

What info does it give us if Kermit flips town or 1 shot?

Elmo isn't trying to be flippant just trying to understand :)
 

Bert

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What info does it give us if Kermit flips town or 1 shot?

Elmo isn't trying to be flippant just trying to understand :)
It eliminates the risk of more poison killing townies. It's also wild to use poison on night 1 with so few knowledge. It's ballsy to use your only vig shot like that. What's more likely, Kermit is town or Kermit is something else? If you think it's more likely he is something else, then why wait until more corpses show up?
 

Fozzie Bear

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It eliminates the risk of more poison killing townies. It's also wild to use poison on night 1 with so few knowledge. It's ballsy to use your only vig shot like that. What's more likely, Kermit is town or Kermit is something else? If you think it's more likely he is something else, then why wait until more corpses show up?
This is a legitimate question. If this were just a regular vanilla vig shot that was used N1, would you still be pearl clutching about it? It really feels that your issue is that it’s a poison.
 

Jeff Tracy

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Good thing the game is find who is on you team and not find who is more right all of the time or we might be in trouble!

From the reactions to Piggy's claim:
  • Triumph was geared up to vote Piggy, liked the timing of the claim but didn't comment much on the content. Didn't end up switching.
  • Fozzie thought the claim would be worth delaying on which would not work out here but like I said yesterday they seem genuine if not frustrated.
  • Elmo was pretty immediate in disliking the claim but didn't say much on why they disliked it then did a few more opaque posts.
  • Howdy had doubt tied to a poisoner coming forward and I guess we should find out about Howdy pretty soon here.
  • Pinocchio didn't buy the role and also stated doubt in the existence of poison.
  • Grogu disliked the claim and expected a poison death to have occurred already.
  • Abby seemed to hem and haw on the situation, focusing on the poisoner and then deciding to wait for Piggy to show.
  • Kutaro seemed to watch things play out and wanted one of Piggy/Kermit, landing on Piggy.
  • Mr. Mew didn't react much and still seemed focus on Lamb Chop at end of day
Of these I feel worse about Triumph, Abby and Elmo. Mr. Mew is a weird one cause they didn't engage with the claim but still shouting your scum reads when it should be so clear Piggy is the flip feels towny?
 

Bert

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This is a legitimate question. If this were just a regular vanilla vig shot that was used N1, would you still be pearl clutching about it? It really feels that your issue is that it’s a poison.
Yes, a vig shot is something we can see faster. And the natural counter to a vig would be a BP vest or a veteran, maybe a hider. We know thow game haw a scum counter to the poisoner, so poison has to exist.

Hmm what if there are two small scum factions? Unlikely. Kermit is probably just neutral.

Either way I don't want to risk another poison kill, unless a better option comes up. Do you have one?
 

Fozzie Bear

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Yes, a vig shot is something we can see faster. And the natural counter to a vig would be a BP vest or a veteran, maybe a hider. We know thow game haw a scum counter to the poisoner, so poison has to exist.

Hmm what if there are two small scum factions? Unlikely. Kermit is probably just neutral.

Either way I don't want to risk another poison kill, unless a better option comes up. Do you have one?
I highly doubt there are multiple scum factions, the game would have likely been graded differently.

The better option is scum hunt instead. We have plenty of leads to chase, it’s not like we are bumbling in the dark like we were day 1
 

Bert

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I highly doubt there are multiple scum factions, the game would have likely been graded differently.

The better option is scum hunt instead. We have plenty of leads to chase, it’s not like we are bumbling in the dark like we were day 1
Make a compelling argument for someone and I might follow you.
 

Fozzie Bear

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Make a compelling argument for someone and I might follow you.
I mean I’m not really going to tread old ground.

I truly believe Kutaro is just piggy’s alt. I know the player behind the accounts can’t defend that logic but Kutaro hasn’t even tried justifying the piggy vote in any way and I’ve brought this up a few times today already. I think piggy wanted to bus herself and used her Kutaro account to do it.

As far as today goes, you, Triumph, and Grogu have all reacted to Kermit in the same way so it’s no a scum tell on its own but Grogu has gone the extra mile to line up different lynches depending on how the room feels on Kermit and it just feels opportunistic.

I’ve made both these points a lot today already, that’s where I’m at. Neither is iron clad but it’s better than voting out someone who is definitely not scum imo.
 

Bert

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I mean I’m not really going to tread old ground.

I truly believe Kutaro is just piggy’s alt. I know the player behind the accounts can’t defend that logic but Kutaro hasn’t even tried justifying the piggy vote in any way and I’ve brought this up a few times today already. I think piggy wanted to bus herself and used her Kutaro account to do it.

As far as today goes, you, Triumph, and Grogu have all reacted to Kermit in the same way so it’s no a scum tell on its own but Grogu has gone the extra mile to line up different lynches depending on how the room feels on Kermit and it just feels opportunistic.

I’ve made both these points a lot today already, that’s where I’m at. Neither is iron clad but it’s better than voting out someone who is definitely not scum imo.
I somewhat agree on Kutaro but I don't think that's piggy's alt, but Kutaro has been in my list for a while.
 
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